The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 07/26/2021 - HOUR 1 - Rodgers, SEC, Deshaun

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb--in for Colin--critiques the timeline unfolding in Green Bay with regards to Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers and his mysterious status with the team. Doug argues that Rodgers' noncommittal behavior doesn't jive with the positive aura that surrounds Green Bay and its recent success with Rodgers. Plus, FOX College Football and The Athletic's Bruce Feldman joins The Herd to discuss the details of Texas and Oklahoma's departure from the Big XII Conference. Finally, what do the Houston Texans do with quarterback Deshaun Watson--who continues to tread water with pending civil lawsuits? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. And we are live in rainy Los Angeles. Root? I can only look out the window and see some sort of liquid falling from the sky. Man, do we have a lot together? get to. I got some Lakers trade

rumors for you. I can tell you definitively what is real and what is not real. Hey? Team USA loses to France. Luca does Luka things and they win.

I find myself watching team handball thinking, how come I don't watch team handball that much? And oh yeah, by the way, NFL training camps underway and we have more drama in Green Bay, right? Green Bay is supposed to be the celebration of all things right within the sport of football. The team is, I guess, owned by individuals in the city. I mean, it's kind of a, it's kind of an old school with like, it's like they used to

have this in college sports probably before name and a binge of likeness, right, where you get some of these guys would get a debit card. Do you get a debit card with the cash on it? It was better than giving guy cash because you couldn't trace it. You give a guy a debit card? It's basically the debit card for the team. No, no, no, no. You can order, you can buy some stock for $300 and you get a stock certificate. Do you get any voting rights?

No. You can show up to the meeting that you have to pay to attend every year. Congratulations. Anyway, it's supposed to be about what's completely right with the sport. It's about the history and the state. and the aura of the Green Bay Packers, right? The kids give their bikes to the players to ride from the locker room facility to the to the field and there's this camaraderie and tie that binds between the team and the town

and somehow it all works together except with aging quarterbacks. So look, here's the beauty. to where me and Colin both reside, which is the real world. And we don't have to paint for you some imaginary tale that somebody passed down to you what really happened at the end of the Brett Favre era. Brett Fav on this show and many other shows,

I think, I think gets diminished for whatever reason because he only won one simple, because of whatever happened with the Jets because of how it ended with the Vikings, I'm not sure. But the truth is that Brett Farr've tinkered with retirement three consecutive years. And then finally the last year, he's like,

okay, I'm done. The Packers was like, okay, thanks. We're moving on. Aaron Rogers' team. And then Brett Farv got home and he's like, yeah, I kind of miss playing football. And the Packers like, that's great, but we kind of already gave a guy your job.

He wanted to go to the Vikings because you want to play the team that plays your team. So you can go, they trade him to the Jets. He started off 9 and 3. Then Brett Farve got injured, played with a torn bicep. It went from 9 and 3 to out of the playoffs. I think they ended up getting fired there shortly thereafter. But Brett Farve then goes to the Minnesota Vikings, comes back to Lambo, stompst the Packers, goes the NFC championship game

and retires again and once again be drug out of retirement which didn't end well. That's how it went. The Aaron Rogers thing is different. Now, you guys know

if you listen to the show enough and I do how Colin feels about Aaron Rogers. My feeling about Aaron Rogers is he is the most talented guy all around package to ever play the position. But there is something about him that he's not as beloved as regarded, maybe as respected,

as a Michael Jordan and his craft. Is it number of championships? Probably. Probably. But how many times can he get to an NFC championship game and get snakebid? How many times can they get an injury? He had a torn calf in the year with the collapse against the Seattle Seahawks, right? Of course, you go back to when they lost the Atlanta Falcons.

They started a couple of guys, guys off the street, a defensive back and could stop nobody at all. You go to when they took on the San Francisco 49ers. They were one play away from getting home field, but it didn't matter. The Niners just ran over and through them, and it was seemingly impossible to get a stop, and the game was shortened. You go to last year, and their offensive line was not healthy, but they still had the ball, had plenty opportunities to win the game late. They just simply did not do it.

Now, any competitor that I know simply says, okay, we're knocking at the door. We're right there. Granted, probably didn't like the field goal call on fourth down, but we're right there. Home field advantage. We lose the Tom Brady. He's getting older, so am I, but we're going to keep getting better. And you want to go to a different team? Huh.

That strikes at the core of everything the Green Bay Packers allegedly stand for. team, family, unity. And I get it. You don't like that they drafted your era parent. You don't like some of the guys they cut. You don't like some of the moves that you made. So over the weekend, Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams, both simultaneously. Kind of like simultaneous diving.

Do you guys like that? I find myself fascinating by simultaneous diving. I also find myself fascinated that nobody gets up there and goes, this is too high. You know, like you ever been to somebody else's golf club when you were a little kid and they had a high dive, you're like, that's cool. Then you get up in the high dive, you're like, that's too high. These things are like 10 times as high. Anyway, the point is this.

Devante Adams and Aaron Rogers simultaneously posting last dance photos only shows us everything which I have long believed to be true is in fact true. this has been a wild last year. I want you to think. Think about where you were last year this time. Probably locked down the house with the kids. Right? Probably.

I mean, at Fourth of July weekend last year in Southern California, they closed the beaches. It just never happens. And when we were on lockdown, we did some soul searching. We did some channel surfing. Everybody I know watched the last dance, including Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams.

That documentary, not just because it was Jordan, but also because of the timing, incredibly powerful. But what we're doing is we're mirroring something that happened 25 years ago into today, and one, not taking in the context, two, not understanding the perspective it's told from, and three, we're kind of comparing incomparables. right like brian gunnickens isn't jerry kraus even if erin rogers wants to label him as jerry crows and phil jackson was a very very different coach from what they have working in green bay and it should be stated that as successful as the packers have been with aaron rogers and recently

devonte adams it's there's a difference in coming off your fifth title and trying to find your second one to me this is these are guys living out their fantasies of what they're see on TV and who they idolize and don't you think that Aaron Rogers saw Tom Brady take off his helmet to shake his hand and thought, Jesus, he looks better than me. Now he hears him talking about himself along the lines of Jordan and Wayne Gretzky. And Aaron Rogers sitting there saying, that should be me. And then you watch the last answer, you're saying, hey, that is me. there's when you're a parent you have to deal with jealousy i have twins that are 15 years old

you think there's not jealousy there um and a little boy who's 12 and jealousy is a hard thing because you can't eliminate it but you have to try and teach people to use it to fuel them but not fuel them always for negativity rogers has always used it to fuel him for negativity It is his life source. 23 teams passed on him in the NFL draft. He was the last guy sitting in that green room, and he has used that to fuel himself. The San Francisco 49ers could have draft him number one overall.

They drafted Alex Smith. He has used that to fuel him. Every slight, every knock, every loss, every commercial that somebody else gets, he uses to fuel him. And now he's using a document. about a team that won six championships, coached by arguably the greatest coach of our lifetime,

played by the greatest basketball player of my lifetime. I get that all these guys, Brady included, are confident, bordering on arrogant, but likening yourself to The Last Dance, that means we start picking out which character is which, and not every character is a positive character. If there's one real takeaway from posting the last dances, that's saying you're going to show up

because you're, and if you retire, you decide to come back, the Packers still own your, and if you retire, you decide to come back, the Packers still own your rights. And the contract just starts back up whenever you decide to come back. That's not happening.

They're not trading you now. No general manager is going to trade the sitting MVP when you're a play away from going to a Super Bowl, especially when if you if you're to trade you to a team, that team's draft picks are going to become worse over time because you're good, you're going to win. If there's one legit takeaway in trying to read the teed leaves, if you both posted this to last dance, fine.

It's the last dance. Go out and play. And you know what? Win a championship. And even after that championship, if we're going by the documentary, there is still a chance to keep it all together. You're just going to have to keep it together with money.

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Bruce Feldman's going to join us in five minutes. Bruce of course works for the athletic and for Fox covering college football. Huge news, which started last week as a Houston Chronicle story now becomes reality. Both Oklahoma and Texas put in the paperwork to not extend their media rights to the Big 12 after 2025, which means, and I'll just translate for you real quick, this is their last year in the Big 12. This is the last year in the Big 12. You don't go like, hey, we're not going to be together in 2025.

But if you want to keep living together for a couple years, let's get it home, right? Like, yeah, that's not really how it goes. What happens now? What happens next and why I think it just stinks? I'll tell you in a second. Let's get to this though. So apparently USA basketball is getting along just swimmingly over in Japan.

Things are good. Game one took the L to France. Yeah. And we could say it's about a lot of things. And Kevin Durant was in foul trouble the entire game, didn't shoot the ball particularly well, yada, yada, yada. But France closed on a 13 to 2 run to win the game. and you have players coming in the locker room going, man, we're running the Spurs offense instead of our offense.

Here's the best way to kind of explain it. It's a different game. The rules are different and the interpretation of the rules are different. So it's a very physical game. It's based a lot less on athleticism than the same sport is here, state side. It does feel like the opposite of the NBA mentality in terms of getting calls. Like in the NBA, stars get taken care of, whereas in FBA, it feels like stars are almost

a target for fouls and technical fouls and all that other nonsense. I mean, it's, trust me, if you, if you question NBA officiating, which it's fair to do, it's fair to do. And at the end of every NBA finals you Adam Silver's like, we got the best officials in the world. Sadly, I actually think he's telling the truth.

Scott Foster is better than all of these MOOCs. You know? But here's the best way to explain it. You ever watch your kid play soccer when he's like seven or eight years old? And I'm not talking about the club soccer, but the club soccer is still a little bit about this, right? Like the way we teach soccer

and to a certain extent basketball, in at the youth level is like you kick it up to the best kid he just like cherry picks or snowbirds depending upon your location gets the ball at midfield and then just beats people you just kick it down to him he just faster than everybody else and he scores and then you watch like European soccer or Argentinian soccer and they pass the ball backwards and backwards and sideways and it's very it is very different from how we play sock we are a brute force country. We have better athletes,

more possessions, better athletes, play faster, go one-on-one. And it works in NBA style, officiating NBA-style rules. And it's worked enough, right? It's worked enough for us to be successful at 25 consecutive wins in Olympic competition before early yesterday morning. But the rest of the world is caught up to us.

plus we don't send all of our best players, plus we don't really have a culture, a system, a style in place. It's just, you know, go play hard, and then our offenses are as simple as possible because all these guys have always been stars. At the end of the day, their default is, I'm going to go get us a bucket. And that's not really how it works in European basketball.

It's just not. we in trouble right we in trouble they've lost three of their last four games it's just an exhibition that wasn't an exhibition and lost three of their last four games right and all the losses are to teams

who I mean Nigeria is not a team you'd expect to lose to but when you have this type of consistency in losing it speaks to something is wrong. All right. Bruce Feldman to join us in a second. Let's first get you to Heard Line News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Heard Line News. All right, Doug. Let's hit you with a couple quick stories here and give Feldman plenty of time for you. So first off, you're talking about Aaron Rogers to lead off the show here. And, well, if the Broncos, let's just say, were considered as a lot. landing spot for Aaron Rogers, if in the case of a trade. According to Mike Florio, apparently they might not want to do that. Per a league source, the Broncos are leery about the total cost of trading for Rogers

between his expected compensation and the general belief that the Packers would want three first round picks and a second round pick for him. So apparently the Broncos. That is a story of negotiation, not a legitimate story. Do you want Aaron Rogers? Yes. Somewhere between every player and every pick on their roster and nothing is where they will settle. Look, the problem with trading to the Broncos now is they have everything but a quarterback. So if you're going to trade, you're going to want some players back in return.

They probably don't want to give up players at this point in time. Nor do the Packers want to give up Aaron Rogers at this point in time because, well, one, he's coming off an MVP season and you don't trade that guy. And two, you may think it's a top five pick with the Broncos now. you put Aaron Rogers on the Broncos and they're going to make the playoffs or get close to and now a sudden they become very average picks. So I'm sure somebody said that to Florio where I don't know, we don't want to give up everything for him. But if they can trade for Aaron Rogers, considering they haven't had a legit quarterback since

Peyton Manning, they're going to trade for Aaron Rogers. And no one draft pick is going to be worth holding out on that. Absolutely. Absolutely. So as you're talking about also, Team USA and basketball having their struggles, Luca Donchich is not struggling on the court. He had in his Olympic debut last night, 48 points in a 11-100 victory for Slovenia over Argentina. Keep in mind, 48 points, the game's only 40 minutes long.

You're like what? Yeah, they play, it's different. Like, again, it's a shorter game. Okay. they play the NBA shot clock they play the Fiba three point line which is in between college and the pro

it's a different game and this is Luca's game remember Luca with Slovenia won the Euros then they beat Lithuania in Lithuania in order to get into the Olympics like they're legit real deal he is an almost

unstoppable because this style completely fits his game I did see he got a technical foul last night for arguing a call. He's like, this is not the NBA, Luca. You can't argue every call like you do at home. Yes, Argentina's hedge coach, Sergio Hernandez, had very high praise for him after the game.

He said, for me, I said this two years ago. He is the best player in the world, including the NBA. And if there was any doubt in my mind, there is no doubt anymore. He is the best player in the world. Another look at what's going on in the Olympics. Of course, last night also Katie Ladeke and Arianna Titman. faced off in the 400 meter freestyle. Timis took the gold in that one, barely beating Ledecki.

And the overall reaction from a lot of people was a lot of surprise that Ledecki didn't take gold in this one. But I think it's fair to note that this is not her main event. The 800 and the 1,500 are her main events. And she still had the fourth fastest time ever in her silver. Timas had the second fastest time ever. What are we doing? She has the world record in the event, correct?

I believe so, yes. Yeah. Okay. So we can say she's not our main. event. She had the world record. She did very well. She got beat. Yeah. Yeah. No, Timis put on in. It was a fantastic race. And of course, I hope you

saw the reaction of Timis' coach afterwards. His celebration. The Australian dude who has gone crazy in the stands? Yes. He's a meme. Oh, yeah. He's a meme already. So you really get into the swimming. I like the Olympics as a whole. I have a good time following

as much as I can. Yeah, no. I enjoy. All right. Here's the question. I asked it on Twitter over the weekend. Give me a sport in which if you had three years of round-the-clock training, you think you could compete in. Don't answer now. Don't answer now. Okay. I've got one though. Oh, yeah. Okay, hold on to it. Okay. Is that all you got? You have more stories? No, that's it for the heard-line news today. All right, that's Brian Burchinger with the news. Thank you.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. So the news is, I guess, officially official that Oklahoma and Texas have submitted basically the resignation from the league, from the big 12. Like, why does this matter? Like, Texas is a big thing. Whether or not, and you're like, well, you know, they haven't won anything in football since, you know, when Mack had it going like, you're right. They haven't won anything in basketball. It doesn't matter.

Okay. The expanse of that university athletic department, first, they spend more money than anybody. else than anybody else. But they bring eyeballs to the set, to the TV set. That's what they do. And then you take Oklahoma and there just isn't anybody. Doesn't mean that Matt Campbell hasn't done an amazing job at Iowa State. It doesn't mean that what Mike Gundy's done at mild moderate, Oklahoma State isn't fantastic.

But just in terms of eyeballs, people don't really care. So now you have what looks like the Super League of Super League is. in the Big 12. Big 10, obviously, very stable. Bruce Feldman joins us at the athletic in Fox Sports. Bruce, let's let's start at when the, when did these conversations really begin? Doug, we're not sure exactly how far they trace back. I had talked to some power brokers within the Big 12 who said these have been going on. They thought six months, probably more, but they said at least three months and that

ESPN has been right in the middle of it. Obviously with Greg Sanky, the SEC Commissioner, he had a bunch of financial models as well as projections that they mapped out and that, look, what I think bothered a lot of people and the word I used in the story I wrote on Friday at the athletic was betrayal

of how a lot of these big 12 ADs feel because they're like we were in these same meetings with Oklahoma and Texas and they didn't say a peep about anything. And so, you know, as I had reported early, high ranking Texas official had contacted somebody he's close to in the big 12 at a rival school late Wednesday night and basically said all this speculation, all these rumblings. It's getting blown out of proportion. you really, it's nothing to worry about. And then about 24 hours later, that person on the other end of the call really had a sinking feeling in his gut. And, you know, somebody I talked to shortly thereafter, and it was like, basically they knew this letter was coming, got when this letter was coming from Texas and OU headed for it Monday morning, which is today, and here we are. And you have a lot of folks who are reeling.

and I think they feel like they were they were stabbed in the back on this part. Well, look, I only understand from Texas's standpoint, which is like, look, if you're Texas and every year you got K-State and Iowa State and TCU come in your building, or you could have, you know, LSU and A&M and Arkansas, like it's a different calculus in terms of the type of school, the type of money you can charge. for tickets, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And they're not a traditional big 12, they weren't a big eight school. For Oklahoma, this is different, right?

Oklahoma, this is different. You know, this is, you're leaving your big eight brethren that, and not just Oklahoma State, but you're leaving schools you've competed with for more than half a century. That one, and I get like, hey, you don't have gymnastics in the Big 12, you don't have volleyball and these other little things. It feels a little bit like, and it should, the Big 12 folks are taking the Oklahoma one a lot more personal. I think the whole part of this to keep in mind is it all comes back to money.

There's a lot more money that they have seen that is in this deal, and that's where it stems from. I think people can look at it and say, okay, well, competitively, it's a lot easier path to the playoff, your Oklahoma, more you've been in the playoff. Right. You know, maybe Oklahoma's closer now that Alex Grinch has come in and definitely has improved their defense.

But the reality is if you're Oklahoma, you still have to go through Alabama one way or the other. Whether you go through them earlier in the food changer, you've got to go through them at the end of it. And I, you know, again, you just don't hear much from, you know, Oklahoma people. I've had minimal, you know, reactions from them, you know, at OU, wall this. story was going because I think they they're not trying to justify anything at this point beyond look if it's a cold reality of money what we've seen on all of this around college sports

for as much as people can talk about what they are in it for and all the people who can benefit for it it's still big money we're talking about billions of dollars and I think that is driving the decisions and what you're saying Doug I'm sure is true that there's going to be a lot of a lot. I know there are a lot of really fractured relationships that are people are reeling right now. But business, you know, and it's, this is just a cold reality of business. And it's a very cutthroat world in college sports where pretty much everybody is in it for themselves.

And I think that has become apparent. Okay. So what now? I mean, I've talked with some people. And I think there are. only the rest of the big 12 schools, the best chance of survival for many of them is the Pact 12. And I actually think it makes sense for the Pact 12.

Stick with me here. I don't know what the Pact 12's next media deal is going to look like. They're going to probably struggle because they haven't. The network thing has not worked. But the thing that the Pact 12 that works against it the most is the time zone, right? Is the time zone. I mean, you and I, we've been covering this for over 20 years, right? each of us.

And everybody in TV always tells you like, look, there's just only so much you can do when you're playing your games and half the country is asleep. Could there be a lifeline from the Pac-12? I mean, right now, anything's possible. What I was told over the weekend by a pretty high-ranking source in the Big 12,

all things are on the table, which is kind of what makes sense. But here's the thing that I think people really need to wrap their heads around is, yes, they are the Big 12. There's no value. You can just say there's just no value. Yeah, I don't think a lot of folks realize,

I mean, you know, Matt Campbell's one of the best coaches in college football. He's one of the 10 best coaches, no doubt. You can look at what Gary Patterson has done at T.C. You can look at the win-loss record of these places. But unfortunately, for a lot of those programs, they just don't have, the viewership numbers, once they get outside their own fan bases, and some of those fan bases aren't, they're passionate, but they're just not broad, and they just don't draw it. And the truth is I had somebody in a big group of five program, an AD, make the case of like,

we do better TV numbers than almost everybody else in the Big 12 once you get past Texas, and OU. And he's not wrong on that because where the TV numbers for our Texas and OU often come from, I mean, use your alma mater as an example. I've done VEDLUM games. That is an intriguing matchup. But it's also against Oklahoma, which is usually a top 10 team and has a bigger draw and has this national brand.

Same thing when you play Texas, if you're TCU. If it's, you know, you sub out Texas for Texas Tech. in those other big 12 matchups, the numbers plummet. You sub out Oklahoma State as opposed to Oklahoma, those numbers drop. And so if you're the PAC 12, I mean, would you be open to it? Maybe. But I think where the reality you're going to look at is, would a TV network, and look, you and I both work at Fox, would there be interest?

I'm sure people are going to listen to everything because it's inventory. It's just, you know, the price tag on. The value is going to go way down. And so I think that's some of the realities that people are trying to juggle right now and wrap their heads around. This is a little thing, but is the SEC going to do quadrants? They're going to do two halves?

Like, how are they going to do it? I don't know. I've seen the discussion about whether they're going to do pods. You know, I don't know how far down the road that part of it is. I mean, I feel like, like you said, I mean, like that is a little thing at this point. Honestly, though, honestly, Bruce like look those schools that are in the SEC

that's a huge thing you're like we're going to let them in okay remember Auburn has to play BAM every year but they also have to play Georgia it's the longest standard rivalry in the south right like okay just the A&M and A&M has got to be pissed now now they got to play Texas every year all right is it is it A&M and LSU or is it is it Oklahoma A&M Arkansas and OU a little Southwest Conference flavor with OU added in like what does that look like all those things are they're

actually more important than I think most people think because you still have to get 11 votes and there'll be some cajoling in terms of what the actual schedule will look like. There will be, but I think some of that stuff, look, you heard some coaches speak up about their crossover opponents at SEC Media Day's other day. I mean, obviously, those are issues that Greg Sankey has to sort out. But, you know, one of the things that, and I don't know when we find this part of it out, there's a lot of interesting stuff about FCC financials that you hear about if you talk to power brokers around the sport and what exactly is there. And so I think there's a lot of TBD that we're going to find out probably much later than sooner on how some of these things are going to get smoothed out.

Because what I think has happened is Greg Sankey especially. And remember, he's sitting in the CFP meeting. with Bob Bolesby, you know, for a long time knowing the cards he's hoping to hold. And Bob Bolesby is probably, I don't want to say he's oblivious to some of the stuff that's going on behind the scenes. But the layers that have gone on here, especially with Greg Sanky and the SEC, compared to the rest of quote unquote, the power brokers of college sports and especially college football is kind of mind-boggling once you start hearing more and more about some of the things

that are seem to be happening behind the scenes it's fascinating um this is the last year of the big 12 though right i mean there's as it's currently i know it's 25 but i can't it can't go on after this year you wouldn't think but who knows how the attorneys that are going to dig into this because there's too much stuff up in the air right now and but yeah to have this go on for years um that seems like really just seems like a house of card that won't stand up. I tend to agree. Bruce Feldman read his work in The Athletic. Of course, you'll see him this fall covering college football on Fox and Fox Sports

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My guess would be, it's just a guess. Guess is that Deshawn Watson will be traded sometime this year. The issue with trading Deshaun Watson. The first thing is like he's untradable right now. Even if the league has more clarity than we have, can you imagine the press conference when he's traded to said team, hey, what about those 22 pending lawsuits? 22.

22. Now look, if the Texans thought there was legitimacy. to maybe even any of them. This is the truth. If the Texans thought there was legitimacy to any of them, they would have had to cut him already. They just would have.

The commissioners exempt list for people who don't know. That's basically like suspended with pay, but that's only for once the season begins. So you wouldn't have done it during the off season. But there's something amiss here where to even be talking about a choice, trade or floating the idea of a trade or him showing up. There's got to be a great amount of confidence that this doesn't,

these charges don't make sense. I mean, look, we're in a time rightfully of heightened sensitivity. We're talking 22 lawsuits. Granted, none of them are criminal. There's no criminal charges. But there's something up there where people are actually talking about the possibility of Deshaun Watson going to another place. Now, as far as the five first round picks, like,

I don't know what you do if you're the tech. The guy hasn't actually played a game under his new contract, even though he got paid three years up front for his new contract. But it's really tricky. You can't trade him now. Whenever you do trade him, you would expect that team to improve. You frankly want to build around him. I love the Texans were doing a good job of kind of holding their cards close to their chest

until it got to be too late. And these charges came out or these lawsuits, excuse me, came out. But five first round picks sounds. crazy. Sounds crazy. And then you start to realize, well, okay, you know, if you're going to trade for a superstar quarterback who hasn't yet played a second under his new contract, then you have to get paid above and beyond when any reasonable value is. And if you're going to get paid, you're going compensated in draft picks before the season begins, it's going to have to be more draft picks

because you run the risk of him doing the Khalil Mack, which is traded from the Raiders, win a bunch of games. Those two first-round picks that you got for him aren't nearly as good as you thought they would be. But it's a fascinating look, a fascinating look at what people must perceive. I have no idea what Deshawn Watson did,

what he didn't do. Right now, my perception of it is like that whole thing is just kind of, kind of creepy, right? when you have 40, 40 masseuses. 40 masseuses. Like, we all have things. I like soft t-shirts. I do.

I like soft, more fitted t-shirts. Soft, more fitted t-shirts. On a rainy day like today, I love sweats and brand-new socks. You ever done that on a rainy day? Take a shower. Like, you're not feeling great, you know? You just have one of those days.

It's raining outside. even in the summary, like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to throw on a movie or maybe watch some Olympic sport that you'd never actually watch. I'm going to find some new socks. Break those things out of the package. Put them on. Don't wash them. So they still have that, whatever that layer of film, foam, soft stuff that comes off the first time you watch them.

Put those on. If you have new sweats, even better. Crank the AC up if it's not cold outside. And just you're kind of pouting. You're kind of soaking, but you're kind of feeling really snugly inside. That's my thing. Deshawn Watson's thing apparently is I like a different massage

sports masseuse every week. Everybody's got their thing. I think that right now I'm solidly and I have no idea about the other stuff. But to even hear, for Deshaun to even show up, to even hear chatter about them potentially trading for him

and the obvious places that he may want to go, you know, says, okay, they don't think this is going to come to any sort of reality keeping him from playing. Ian Rappaport, Aaron Rogers has indicated the people close to him that he does plan to play for Green Bay this season. This is the expectation, many factors at play, but with GM Brian Gunnick saying he's hopeful for a positive outcome, there's a glimmer of hope. Of course he's playing. I jeed out a picture of the last dance.

The last dance isn't going to end with them. kicking a field goal on fourth down and then not getting the football back. That's not how the last dance ended. What's interesting about the last dance parallel is, here we are 25 years removed from the last dance. And whether it was real or not, Michael Jordan was like, we could have run it back some more. We could have run it back some more.

And that's really the thing if you're Aaron Rogers is at some point, you're going to get to the, you know, they don't have to trade you to a team you want to go to. They're not going to trade Aaron Rogers to the 49ers. Things that won't happen, not trading for the 49ers. Hey, NFC rival, who we lost to in the NFC championship game two years ago, we'll trade. Like, that's not happening.

It's going to be an AFC team. And maybe it's the Broncos. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's not. If you're going to make it personal, don't be surprised if whoever you're making it personal with takes it personally. And if the Packers take it personally, Do you think for one second they're going to go like, Aaron, where would you like to go?

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