The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 07/28/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: July 28, 2021

Colin reacts to the Packers making a trade for WR Randall Cobb in hopes to rebuild the relationship with Rodgers. The Athletic released their QB 1-4 Tier List having both Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes tied for best quarterback in the league. Great players throughout history don't leave teams, they leave bad organizations. Plus, Colin tips his cap to Aaron Rodgers spilling all the beans on his future with the Packers during his press conference!Guest: Warren Moon Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mike Sando comes out with his four quarterback tears. I'm totally into it. It's the most accurate. We'll address that today. We got stuff happening in Green Bay. Joy Taylor is joining me this morning. Joy, how are you? I'm great.

There sure is some stuff happening in Green Bay. So we've talked about this. Generally the way it works is if an NBA star says, I want out, you move him. the faster you can move a star in any sport, the more you get in return. Years and years ago, long before 99% of you started following sports in the early 70s, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar at the time, Lu Al-Sinder, told Milwaukee, I want out. But it wasn't public. You didn't have the internet.

You didn't have all the NBA sites. And because of that, they worked to get a whole. hall, the greatest haul a team's ever gotten back for a star player. So the reality is when somebody wants out, your best move is quick because you'll lose leverage over time. Everybody in the league knows, oh, this guy wants out, we don't have to give you much. So when Aaron Rogers was unhappy, I thought there was an argument to be made if Jordan Love can play and you drafted him in the first round, he should be able to play.

unless you screwed up your scouting and, you know, that would be a packer issue. Jordan Love should be able to play by this time a year later, right? By this time in Lamar Jackson's career, it was MVP talk, right? So, interesting. This morning, the Packers looked like they're going to trade back to get Randall Cobb. They're going to go get Randall Cobb. I had a general manager and a scout text me this morning. This is why Aaron Rogers is not a personnel guy.

He's a quarterback. Randall Cobb is expensive, old, shot, injured, can't stay healthy. And you drafted a slot receiver named Amari Rogers out of Clemson, who is a slot and will be very good. Hopefully Aaron can suck it up and work with a rookie and build a relationship, even though it's his last year. but this is a classic example. Now this relationship with Aaron and Green Bay is officially weird.

This is a really bad personnel move. He's $10.4 million. That is a ton for a slot receiver who was a one-time pro bowler seven years ago and since then can't stay healthy. 14 games missed last three years, hamstring issues, toe issues. Nice player at one point. But can't play anymore. I mean, like, it's not going to be a $10 million player. And this is a classic example.

If your wife comes up to you and says, I want a divorce, you can say, let's make it work for a year to a year and a half. You're going to have resentment issues. You're going to have trust issues. And you're going to start doing things to appease her that are inauthent. It's not a real relationship. You're going to act completely differently than you normally would in a really healthy authentic relationship.

What Green Bay is doing now, they're in the makeup stage. so they're making a really bad move, according to what I'm reading this morning, to appease Aaron Rogers, who's got one year left, may not care about building some great relationship with a rookie slot receiver named Amari Rogers from Clemson who actually can play, who can really play.

In fact, his comp was Randall Cobb. That's who people thought he was out of Clemson. He's Randall Cobb. So this is officially the weird state. But Aaron Rogers, because Green Bay feels, oh, we kind of butcher that whole thing and we got to make up bad move. Now, some of you could say, well, Brady went out and got Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown is essentially free. They pay him nothing.

And he can still beat people down the field. Antonio Brown can play. He's got his issues. Dude can play and he's free. What about Gronk? Still an elite blocking tight end. I mean, last couple years, last two years, excuse me. that Gronk has played. He's made huge plays in big games. Super Bowls,

AFC championship, NFC championship. Gronk can still play not as often and not with the volume he once did, but Gronk can still play. Antonio Brown can still play. It's a discount for both. Randall Cobb can't and he's expensive. It's kind of a prime example of the relationship is in a weird space and Green Bay now is sacrificing cap and quality to appease the guy that wants out. Aaron won it out. It's why there's an argument to be made. Guy wants out. Let him go.

Move fast. So that story is coupled with this story. Now this is really interesting. So what do the Packers need in the NFC? Now think about the NFC. Seattle's got D.K. Matt Kaff and Tyler Lockett. The Rams.

Cooper Cup. Robert Woods, endless wide receiver talent, Tampa Bay, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown. When you look around the NFC, the Dallas Cowboys, C.D. Lamb, Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup. When you look around the NFC, it is teams with really good wide receivers. And what really, truly lost that game for Green Bay against Tampa? Kevin King, the corner, got smoked right before half. the Packers desperately need another corner. They have Jaya Alexander, but in the NFC, I mean, go think of the last four teams left.

It's a passing league. The last four teams left last year. Buffalo, Stefan Diggs, Cole Beasley, Kansas City, name your star. Tampa, receivers everywhere. Green Bay, Devonte Adams on a tight end with 11 touchdowns. The last four teams, it's a passing league. The one thing all of them had. great, great, wide receiver,

tight end, even running back talent. That's the league now. So for Green Bay, in a weird relationship with their quarterback to get through the NFC, they could really use another corner because they don't have the wide receivers to get in a shootout with Tampa. I don't think they have the wide receiver talent to get in a shootout with Seattle or Los Angeles. They need another corner.

And look at this story this morning. Dolphins corner Zavian Howard wants out of Miami. He is the best corner in the NFL. Do not listen to anybody that says Jalen Ramsey. I watched every snap of Jalen Ramsey last year. It's not as good as Zavian Howard. Dolphins led the NFL with 18 picks, 10 from this guy. He led the NFL in past defended.

He led the NFL in picks. He is the best corner in the NFL. Smart, disciplined, great hands, catching radius. He's fantastic. You put him next to Jair Alexander. You have the best cornerback tandem not only in the NFL, but in the NFL for a decade. And he's $15 million. You're paying $10 for Randall Cobb.

Prime example. This is what Green Bay needs. Because Green Bay can't go toe to toe with Tampa Bay offensively. Tampa's corners are okay. If Green Bay got Zavian Howard, now you take Mike Evans out of the game. you take Chris Godwin. Now you got yourself a fighting chance against Tampa. You have even the playing field and you could make it. You spent 10 million on Randall Cobb potentially and you also butcher the 2020 draft. Remember you went and got a quarterback and then a power running back

and then a blocking tight end. Had you gone out and stopped worrying about development and gotten pieces, you'd have something to give Miami. So this is a prime example. Players should be players. That doesn't mean you can't listen to Brady. Brady went and said, hey, get me Gronk. He's a great blocking tight end. He'll spread the gospel. We've got a pandemic. We don't have a preseason. We don't have camps. I would love to have a guy to spread the gospel, tough guy blocking tight end. We're not sure about this offensive line in Tampa right now. Gronk made sense to Tampa. Absolutely. When he came in, I said it makes sense. Spread the gospel. The offensive line before last year for Tampa was the number one area of concern.

They draft Tristan Worsts. They get gronk, solidifies their blocking. And by the end of the year, I'm not telling you anything you don't know. Tampa's O'Line was actually really good. It was a really good O line. So all very, very interesting. You know, we spent hours talking about marginal NBA player trades, got the best corner in the NFL.

Every team in the NFL needs a great corner. He is out there. Go make a trade. This kid is a unbelievable talent. He is an unbelievable. talent. And that's why I'll go back to the beginning. That is why when stars want out, because stars tend to control a locker room, NBA, NFL baseball more than other players, right? They're more respected. They've got a larger voice. When a star wants out,

don't tell anybody, start making calls and move them. Because now you got Green Bay, according to the Randall Cobb story, that would be a terrible move by Green Bay. Green Bay Packers are not good enough to overspend for a slot corner or a slot receiver, who, by the way, is not as good as the rookie slot receiver they just drafted. That kid can play. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now. Great to have you in. So every year it comes out once, I think it is the definitive ranking of NFL quarterbacks. And I try to stay away. I used to do it more from ranking all these quarterbacks. So Mike Sando, this is a real list.

11 coordinators, 15 executives, a dozen GMs, head coaches. This is a grown-up list. This is not Twitter opinion. These are people with jobs. And like people that do this for a living get paid a lot of money to grade quarterbacks. Their entire careers are getting the quarterback right. And Mike Sandow, who will be on in about an hour and a half, he does a great job on this. It's the one list every year.

I have very few arguments with it every year. It's the most accurate by far list. And the quarterbacks are ranked in four tiers. And so this is how Mike Sandow, when he gets to, goes to the GMs and the executives. Here's how he states it. Tier one, you carry your team every week. That's how good of a quarterback you are.

Tier two, you carry your team, but not as consistently. Tier three, you're a franchise quarterback, but you need a lot of help. It just screams Kurt Cousins. And tier four, you know, there's something there. You may just be a career backup. You're on the clock, definitely. Or you're old. So I look at it differently.

If I was a GM, tier one is I don't have to ever worry about the position. Tier two is I would take phone calls on my quarterback. Tier three, I would make phone calls to replace my quarterback. And tier four, I got a major problem at quarterback. So here is the, now, now, the two things I'll tell you about this list. You got to have a tier one or two quarterback to win a Super Bowl. That's the first rule with this thing. The second rule is all the fans whose quarterback is in Tier 3 think this thing stinks.

So here's the list by real people that have real jobs. Tier 1 is Aaron Rogers, Mahomes, Brady Russell Wilson, Deshawn Watson. My only disagreement with that, I would have Josh Allen in that group. I think he's a bigger, stronger player than Deshawn Watson, throws a better football, less baggage. And with no running game, got his team to the AFC. championship last year, Deshaun Watson's 4 and 12. So I would put Josh Allen in that group, but he graded as the top quarterback in Tier 2.

So they probably missed by a couple of votes. Tier 2 is Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Matt Stafford, Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Matt Ryan, Kyler Murray, Ryan Tannahill, Joe Burrow. My only disagreement with that, I would have Derek Carr in that list at the very bottom. Well, what do you know? Tier 3, the first quarterback grading out is Derek Carr. Into Ben, into Baker Mayfield, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Garoppolo, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Daniel Jones. I don't really have a problem with that.

Again, I'd put Derek at the end of Tier 2. He was probably close. I do think Carson Wentz has Tier 2 talent, but you can't put him in Tier 2 off of his year last year. By the way, Baker and Kirk Cousins, that's exactly where they should be. Baker and Kurt Cousins need a lot of help. Neither has a dynamic athletic trait, neither has a huge arm, neither's a great athlete, neither has ideal size. Sorry, that's where Baker is.

He's got the best offensive line in football and the best running game. If he didn't, he'd be running around and he'd be in Tier 4. Tier 4, Sam Darnold is the first player listed. Then it's James, Bridgewater, Cam, Dalton, Tua, Jalen Hertz, Drew Locke, Tyrod, Taylor, Taseham Hill, Joe Flacco. So again, do I think Darnold moves himself into tier three this year? Yes. Do I think Derek Carr plays his way into tier two, potentially this year?

Yes. By and large, I don't have any major disagreements with it. I just think, you know, the guys I think are a little better all ended up as the number one quarterback in the next tier. I think Josh Allen is a little better than people think. I think Derek Carr and Sam Darnold also little better than people. also little better than people think. But I could be wrong.

These guys are pros. This is what they do for a living. It's fun. This is what I believe, the most accurate list of quarterback talent every year by Mike Sandoh, who joins us later. Executives, it can be an anonymous poll.

You're not going to be shouted out. You don't have to be held. I know nobody likes anonymous sourcing, but you get your best information. I do from people who don't want to be out there. I got two executives this morning, ripping the Packers Randall Cobb move. They're not doing that if you have to put their name on it.

And the bottom line is you want information. I want to give it to you. So I love this list. I think it's great. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball. to college football or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-taped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

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waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence.

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Open your free, our heart radio app. Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. What's happened in America, and it's gotten really, really bad. And I remember years ago, about 20 years ago, Bill Clinton was the first to talk about it. And he criticized networks. He said, what's happening now is people just go to channels that confirms what they already believe. Nobody wants to learn anything. Bill Maher complained about this with Facebook.

He said Facebook's algorithms are set for you to just hear what you want to hear. Not the truth. So, you know, liberals, Silicon Valley gets a lot of heat for this. and they should. Okay, I'm invested heavily in tech, but Facebook deserves criticism. That doesn't mean it's not a great company, but they just set things up for you to hear more of what you believe in, not necessarily the truth. That's where the money is for them and the clicks and the clicks and the downloads

and sharing often ridiculous misinformation. And that tech companies deserve a lot of criticism for that. But there's always been what I find in America today is people have opinions, and then they just go and find information, whether it's right or not, that suits and validates their opinion, whether it's right or wrong. One of the thing about NBA haters is, oh, these players just, they join teams and they don't want to fight. It's all BS. It's just nonsense. So Yonis yesterday, great kid, goes to IG Instagram, and he posts four players, Akeem D. Wade, Kobe, Dirk. He said, you know, it's harder to win when you, you know, mood, got to stay where you were drafted.

Yeah, he also didn't mention Michael Jordan and Magic and Bird and Bill Russell and Tim Duncan and Steph and Isaiah Thomas and almost all the great dynasties have been by guys who stayed with their team. Folks, players don't want to leave good. Would you want to? Wouldn't it be perfect if your first job out of college was vice president of Amazon or Google? You could invest in the company's stock early. You're a millionaire by 37. You're retired by 44. Players don't want to leave.

They leave when GMs are idiots. And there's a lot of them. And owners are meddling buffoons. Here's the four guys who get criticized for leaving. LeBron. Folks, in the last 20 years, the Cavaliers are completely incompetent, except when LeBron's there. I would have left, too.

K.D. He was playing with Westbrook. You know Westbrook's game. He's hard to play with. I would have left too. Kauai Leonard. Well, he did win with his original team, and he is an odd personality. That one I can't relate to.

And then Anthony Davis. Well, the last three stars that have played there, Zion, AD, and Chris Paul all wanted out of a football-run state. NFL owners own the NBA team. They're not particularly good at it. And they're great at NFL. They're not great at the NBA. Those are the four.

Oh, he's joining forces. Hey, listen. KD is a different personality. I would have never left the Warriors. But I would have left Oklahoma City like KD did. Kauai is an odd personality, but he did win with his original team. I mean, Damien Lillard right now, There's all sorts of rumors on him.

According to people I trust, Dame is told to Blazers, 70% chance I'd like to stay. 30% chance I bolt. We've got to make a move here. Damian Lillard for eight years has given, I think it's eight years, has given Portland everything he can give. He's become the best small player in the league. They can't get him a running mate. They can't get a legit wing. So you start looking around at the great NBA players, almost all of them, your steffs and birds and magics.

Most of them of Russell. Kareem, by the way, he won a title with his first team, but he was so good. He was the best player on the planet by a mile. He said he wanted to go to the coast. He was a coastal kid in New York. He wants to go out west. Good for him. But the herd brought to you by Jersey, Mike's Biasup above.

I think sometimes we think athletes, when I hear this all the time, it cracks me up. Oh, athletes just want the easy route. Do you know how hard it is to get to the NBA? Do you know how hard it is to get to the NFL? How hard it is to go through minor league baseball systems for years to get to MLB? None of these guys are taking the easy route. Now, when you come into leagues and you have a dysfunctional operation like Deshawn Watson did in Houston and you're like, I'm waving the white flag.

Like, I'm out of here. Like, I can't do this. That's when I defend him. That's when I defend. Carson Wentz in Philadelphia, we find out the owner is telling the coach what to do. And the GM is telling the coach what to do. I defend Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz did not want to leave Philadelphia.

LeBron didn't want to leave Cleveland. Probably either time. That's where I overwhelmingly sighed with athletes. mobility out of necessity. I've done the same thing. I'd be a total hypocrite. I have left companies when I thought I left local television. Why?

Because I felt ESPN was eating local television sports alive. So I left. I told my boss. I'm like, why would you watch me? Just go watch the other guys. They're national. And then I left that company, the one I used to work at for this company, because I thought this company was better run than that company.

And I've seen a lot of mistakes by that former company. So mobility. out of necessity. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Aaron today is back and he's at the podium. So let's start with a first bite. This is Aaron Rogers on his future in Green Bay.

I'm definitely not closing the door on anything. I'm always optimistic in the ability to change. I would never want anybody give up on me and I wouldn't be if I wasn't 100% all in. That's pretty good bite. Well thought,

what do you think of that? I think that's what he should be saying at this point. If he's going to come back and he's the competitor that he is, you've got to give it everything you have. He can't be halfway in. That's the right thing to say. Yeah, I wouldn't want you to give up on me.

I'm not going to give up on you. Well, also, why say that you know what you're going to do right now? If they go win a Super Bowl and everything's changed, he might not feel that way. So why lock himself in a corner by saying this is definitely my last year? And why add that extra cloud to him and all of his teammates in the organization, which we're going to be talking about this anyway. But why confirm if this is your last year?

Okay. Second bite, Aaron Rogers on the lame duck quarterback year, which it feels like. As I felt like, if you can't commit to me past 2021, and I'm not a part of recruiting processing for agency, if I'm not a part of the future, then instead of letting me be a lame duck quarterback, if you want to make a change and move forward, and go ahead and do it.

That obviously didn't happen. That's where I've defended him. That's the number one space I've defended, Aaron. I'm four lockers away from the guy who I'm way better than. I just want MVP and I'm a lame duck. I've said before, If I get replaced here, fine. But if you hire him and he's two lockers down and I'm still elite, just trade me.

Just let me go. I'm okay moving off me. I get it. But I want to have some. I don't want to be humiliated. The third bite, Aaron Rogers, this is more than money here we're talking about. There wasn't a draft day thing. There were conversations for a number of months leading up to that.

Post-the-draft, I think what basically happened was then they said, you know, we'll give you some money now. Let's see if we can throw some money at you. I said from the start it wasn't about the money. Obviously, I didn't show up for the off-season program or mini-camp. To me, it was bigger than this. It was about trying to be a resource for the organization that I care about and love so much. That's his best bite. So far, that's his best bite.

Impossible as a Packer fan. when somebody says, I love this organization, I want to be a resource. That makes the front office of Green Bay look ridiculous. It really makes the front office of Green Bay look like, why don't you love it more? That's a good one for Aaron. Ding, Aaron won that one. That's a good bite for Aaron. It makes the front office look rigid, out of touch, and uncaring.

That's a huge win for Aaron. Now, this is the best one because I just watched it before when we went to commercial on retirement. Aaron is asked about retirement. Was there a point in the last few months when you seriously considered retirement? And at what point did you change your mind and decide to actually come back? Yeah, there was definitely something I thought about. You know, I talked about how important being a full-timer was for a long time. This was the first time to spend the off season away without a COVID year or a lockout year.

And I enjoyed it. You know, I really did. I took time working on myself and trying to better myself in a number of areas where I feel like I can improve based on my own patterns and conditioning. Yeah, the bite went even longer. I'd let it go longer, guys, when we play it again. I'd let that bite go even longer. That's very, very good. He kind of goes on and on about, you know, listen, I found that I enjoy other stuff besides football.

I thought it was a really good bite. I got to tell you so far, it's A plus Aaron. I think all this stuff falls very good. He's open. He's honest. He's non-emotional. He loves this organization. You know, he did think about retirement.

There's other things he likes. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. Not everybody has to be... He's coming across as very authentic. For a guy that we often criticize as being kind of aloof and manipulative. Manipulative. Or selfish or Hollywood. This whole press conference has really helped to put.

put in perspective what he was dealing with. Now, it was mostly what we assumed, which was that he wanted to feel like he's a part of the process there and not what's being moved on from. And he deserves that. But he's really coming from a place of humility and like measured understanding in a situation. Let me defend Aaron.

So Russell Wilson and Brady, their brand is football and family. Well, Aaron doesn't have, He's not married. He doesn't have kids. So Aaron's brand is football and. And this off season, he found the and. The and was his fiancee. Jeopardy.

So Aaron, when you're single, you know, LeBron, it's family hoops business. Well, Kevin Durant's single. So it's hoops and what is the end? And for Kevin Durant, it's business. It's social media. So Aaron doesn't go home to the wife and the kids. kids. So Aaron has, not that it's a hole, but Aaron this offseason was searching for the and. Russell Wilson and Brady have that. I have that. Okay. So, but by the way, you're single and without kids.

You travel a lot in the weekends. Exactly. Exactly. So you have, you have an and is Miami. It's New York. It's friends. It's Vegas. And so I think Aaron spent this off-season searching for the second part of his life. And I'm not a psychologist here, but the football part's great. Okay. Then it gets disrupted. And Aaron's thinking, wow, the one thing in my life that I'm great at, like now I'm a little unsettled with that. So I'm going to go look for the and part of my life. and that included thinking about leaving the thing that he's great at.

So in that retirement bite, and we'll re-edit it and give it longer, he does say that he thought about it, but in the end, he knew he was good at it, he loved it, he was committed to it, and he wanted to come back. And I thought it was a very healthy bite by Aaron Rogers. Overall, I really like what he did. And as I watch all these bites, it reminds me when David Letterman left NBC and held a press conference for CBS.

And all the executives for NBC watched it. And in the movie about Letterman and Leno, the NBC executives watched Letterman crush it. Absolutely crush it at the CBS press conference. And they all turned to each other and said, I hope we didn't screw this thing up. He was really good. And I sit and watch that press conference. And if you're Brian Gugngoon-Kunst or Mark Murphy, Aaron looks really smart and really thought out and really humble and really authentic.

And in the 2020 draft, you took a prospect at quarterback, a 250-pound running back, a blocking tight end, and you had no fourth round pick. It kind of upset him. To me, this is win, win, win, win, win, Aaron Rogers. I think it's him. I'm not a Packer fan, so I can't speak for them. But I think Aaron comes off great here. everything you'd want him to be. Soft-spoken, unemotional.

I love the game. I'm totally committed. I'm hurt. What he's saying is, I'm hurt. Yeah, I mean, you would expect him to come in if he's going to talk like this and it'd be scathing. But it's the opposite. It's vulnerable. It's like, hey, man, I'm committed.

If you're not committed, you can trade me. Yeah. I think that's as good as Aaron's ever been. Bravo to Aaron Rogers. Tip of the cap to Aaron Rogers. That's my interpretation of what I'm listening to. Be sure to catch live editions. of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

Warren Moon's a Hall of Famer. Too many Pro Bowls to count, although there's nine. He is now joining us live. And that leads us my topic today to Aaron Rogers. Now, with Aaron, Warren, it's not all bad. He's had five Pro Bowl offensive linemen. He's got a number one receiver. I love Aaron Jones, the running back, a competent defense.

So I have been a little more critical of Aaron, where I have said, said, listen, Aaron, you are, you're not the easiest guy. I mean, Aaron can be difficult. When you look at Aaron judging on your career, is he needy or do you understand where he's coming from? Well, there's no question. He is a little needy and I think most quarterbacks are needy, but he also, I understand is his position that he thinks he has some of the answers to get this team over the top. But I just feel like he has a team that's been good enough to get. get over the top. There are a play here or a play there from winning that last NFC championship game against

Tampa Bay. They had a lot of opportunities inside the red zone. I think they were inside the red zone six times and only scored twice. Yep. So they had their chances to win that game and their defense turned Tom Brady over three times in that ballgame on interceptions. So there were opportunities for that team to get to a Super Bowl. So I really don't understand why he's so.

unhappy. I could see him saying, yeah, I'd like to have one or two more pieces maybe to get us over the top, but to hold out the whole offseason and go through all this drama that they went through. That's something I totally don't understand. You know, it is interesting. So Howie Long used to, he joked with me one time. He said he can't have two Hall of Famers in the same room, quarterbacks. One takes all the air out of the room. He goes, he goes, quarterback's different. It's the only position on a football team that there's no real competition. You have a star and it's his team. And because of that, I've always given quarterbacks a pass.

You get an ego. The entire culture of quarterback is everybody is looking for one. And you see this in college where college quarterbacks transfer all the time. Like Kyler Murray is like, hey, it's not my team. I'm going to go find it. So I get that. I look at Aaron Rogers with Jordan Love. And I do, this is where I support him because I have a big enough ego that I, here's where I support him.

that I would not want to be a placeholder for a job if I felt I was still elite. If Fox went out and hired a guy and I knew within a year he was going to replace me, I would say, well, I want it to be on my timeline, not your timeline. Trade me to another company. That is where I defend Aaron. He's sitting here thinking, I just was MVP at the league. And you want me to be four lockers away from a guy who's going to replace me. I have earned the right to have a say in how I exit this operation.

Is it fair to defend him? That's the one thing I defend him on. Well, I see both sides of it. I see Aaron's side of it there, but I also see Green Bay side of it. They're looking towards the future that Aaron was coming off of a, not a subpar year, but it wasn't a year like he just had. So when they drafted Jordan Love,

they weren't drafting him based off of Aaron Rogers being a MVP of the league right after this season. He became an MVP after this first season of Jordan Love. So it just kind of worked out that way. And if Aaron continues to play this way and at this level, they won't replace him. They just want it. It'd be a stupid thing for them to do.

But they're looking at what they're looking at for the future that a guy is getting older. His play was starting to decline. Now all of a sudden Aaron comes out and has a great year. So they're in a pickle there. But I don't think they would make that, change at that position if Aaron was still playing at the rate that he's playing right now. If anything, they would trade Jordan Love and get another high round draft pick and maybe

draft another quarterback to start the process all over again. But I don't think they would trade a quarterback that was playing at that level. So Mike Sando comes out every year, Warren, with four tiers of quarterbacks. He goes and talks to executives and GMs and coaches. It's a very complete list. Whether I agree or not, I appreciate the effort. puts into it, and I find it, I agree with most of it. They have Tua in tier four, middle to bottom, and many of the quotes from executives are, listen, man, I don't see the special. I don't see it in

size and arm athletic ability. And everybody says, well, Brady took years to be great and this guy took years to be great. But my takeaway is quarterbacks now have such good coaching in high school, the summer camps, the quarterback coaching. I'm not as patient, Warren. You got to, in your first 16 starts, I mean, I got to see stuff really quickly. Not in 78, 88, 98, 2008, but it's 2021. How long would you give Tua? What are these stinks in September? Well, I'm going to give him this year to at least get off to a good start.

You got to remember he was coming off of a major injury to a major part of his body for a quarterback in that hip area. And he didn't have an offseason coming off of a major injury. be so, and he didn't have a really good feel for the playbook that he's admitted this offseason. So now he's got no excuses. He's had over a year to recuperate this injury. He's had a full off season, and he's got some good weapons around him. So now it's in his court to go out there and play the way they thought he could is the number

three overall pick or number four overall pick, whatever he was. You can have more patience with a Tom Brady because he was a six-round draft pick. You don't expect him to come in and set the world on fire. But Tua, because he was such a high-round first-round. round pick, yeah, you want to see results as quickly as possible. So I'm going to at least give him into this season to see how well he gets off to a great start. And then we'll make the decision after that. Hall of Famer Warren Moon. Warren, let's go to Mike Sandow's four tiers of quarterback.

So in tier one, I agreed with this, although I would have included Josh Allen. It's Aaron and Mahomes and Brady and Russell and Deshaun. I would have included Josh Allen, but he is the first guy in tier two. So I'm sure it was close. and then tier two is mostly guys I think are close to tier one. Lamar, Stafford, Dack, Herbert, Ryan, Kyler Murray, Tannehill, Joe Burrow. Tier three, I could make an argument. I like Derek Carr more than most.

I would have put him end of tier two. He was the first player in tier three. Him, Baker, Ben, cousins, Goff, Wentz, Garapolo, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Daniel Jones. I would have put Sam Darnold end of Tier 3, but he's the first player in Tier 4, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So when you look at these tiers, is there any one or two quarterbacks that you kind of go, whoa, he's a little high or a little low? You know, Josh Allen, there's no question I think he could be in tier, tier one because he was a runner up for the MVP trophy last year. So he's right there. He had a tremendous year throwing the football, tremendous year running the football as well, had his team in the AFC championship game.

So I can see him up in that top tier. But, you know, Deshaun Watson had an outstanding year too. And now as we come into this year, we don't even know if Deshaun is going to be able to play. So I think right there you could move Josh Allen into that top tier and maybe move Deshaun down, only because you don't know what his status is as a player this year because of the legal problems he has right now. But the thing that I love about that whole list is that this quarterback position is in great, great hands in the national football league. There are so many, so many good ones. and you could kind of interchange a lot of those different guys if you really want it to.

And again, all of that's going to play out again this year. And you're going to see a lot of those guys move down and move up because there's so many guys that are close in those lists. Yeah, no, I agree. This is the golden age of quarterbacks. It's only getting better. You know, finally, I want to circle back to Aaron Rogers. If you would have had all this drama in the offseason and you reported to camp, how would you address the team?

Would you talk about it? Would you pretend it didn't happen? How would you, forget the media, forget us. Would you address the team on this, maybe privately, Warren? You know, when I was with the Seahawks, that was the only time that I ever held out because I became the starter there and I went on to go to a Pro Bowl and be the MVP of the Pro Bowl. So I wanted my contract renegotiated because I was on a backup contract. So once I came in to camp after two weeks, I brought the whole team. together after that first practice, and I apologize for the distractions that I caused and all the

different things that they had to deal with as a team, and I just wanted them to know that I was with them going forward, and let's not talk about this anymore. So I addressed the first day of practice, and we never talked about it anymore. Hopefully Aaron will do something like that with his team, because this is a lot of drama, and I think because of the way it's set up, my deal was I got a three-year deal out of that. He's going on a deal where his year is going to be over maybe after this season. So they're going to deal with this the rest of the year. They're going to be asked questions about this all year long. If Aaron has a bad game or if Aaron feels like the team's not playing well, how is Aaron's attitude? So they're going to be dealing with this the whole season long. It's a

little bit different situation. That noise is not going to go away immediately. Did any of the Seahawks players have a problem with it? Did they confront you later? They really didn't. I think most players understand when you're going through contract negotiations that I never made it known that I wanted to leave or anything like that. Now, Aaron's a little bit different. He wants to leave. So there might be some ill feelings about that. But these guys knew that I was with them and I wanted to be with them. It was just a matter of working out the contract language. By the way, a lot of you, I grew, I have said it before, the first great quarterback I ever saw was Warren Moon. You can watch it on YouTube now. He was the quarterback at the University of Washington. And I was a kid. And I was a kid.

I was watching football, and there was this guy named Warren Moon from like L.A. Community College. He was undrafted. He won five Gray Cup championships with Edmonton. You're a Canadian Hall of Famer. You're a Husky Hall of Famer. You're an NFL Hall of Famer. I hope you have a nice trophy room somewhere in your house, Warren. You've got a lot of awards. I have a big storage unit. That's what I have. It'll be on Storage Wars one of these days. I'll be watching that show. It's all Warren Moons. Yeah. I've seen that.

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