The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 07/29/2021 - HOUR 3 - NBA Draft

Episode Date: July 29, 2021

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We're keeping you busy in the off season, which, by the way, has pivoted quickly to the season. So Aaron yesterday holds a press conference and he goes for 30 minutes. He dropped the hammer. He did. The encore. Anything he say bother you. No. In fact, and Joy will tell you this.

I have all along been saying what Aaron Rogers laid out so well in his press conference is what I was thinking he was. was plotting, planning, executing to do all along. He wants people to understand and know that the value of the stock of the Green Bay Packers belongs with Aaron Rogers. How are you going to get rid of the stock? And I am the stock. To get rid of me is to get rid of the value that Green Bay is. and that's what he basically drove home in that press conference yesterday. I thought he was very smart. Maybe it's cunning that he said basically, I love the operation.

I want to be totally committed to it. But if you're not committed to me, so I think that goes a long way with fans. He put the ball in their court. Yeah. Hey, I want to be more committed. You won't let me be more committed. If I'm a regular guy in Green Bay.

I'm like, why don't you commit to him? Then he gives you, Cullen, then he so eloquently puts out there, look at my resume. Look at my experience. He's basically passively letting you know I have the experience. I have the relationships. I would love to be able to pass relationship information here, pass it back over to there. Why are you not utilizing me in this way?

Yeah. So now, Brian Gudenkun, the GM of the Packers spoke this morning. Of course he did. He had a very interesting. There's a way to say something. There's two different ways to write the same story. A journalist once told me that.

You can write the same story two different ways. So Randall Cobb, who was a Pro Bowl or seven years ago, diminishing player, injuries, missed 14 games three years. He's fine, but he's a big cap hit. In a salary cap league for a team up against the cap, he's like a $9 million cap hit, 10 million. It's not a move most teams. Nobody would make this move.

And I thought it was interesting this morning. Listen to the Packer GM. Here it is. You guys made the decision after the 18th season not to bring him back and create and see. Is he really just here to make Aaron happy? Is that primarily the... I think that's a big part of it. I think it's a big, you know, obviously without Aaron,

I don't think we would probably be pursuing that. Reynolds is still a really good player. And seeing him last night just kind of reminded me, you know, what an impact he'll have in our locker room for our football team. but, you know, this is a very important thing for Aaron, and that's why we did it. To me, what he was doing, he was speaking to all the other general managers in the league saying,

this is not my call, I know he's expensive, I know he's no longer great, he was saying, he said it to start it and end it, this is Aaron's move. This is not my move. So in the middle of the year,

if he gets hurt again and you're paying him $10 million, he can go, this is Aaron's. That was, my takeaway. It wasn't a shot at Aaron, but it was a, I'm going to protect my brand a little here too. This is not a move I would make. Here's the brilliance of the adversarial approach to what's taking place. Aaron Rogers has put them the front office of Green Bay in a corner, backs against the wall in a corner. And you, depending on who you are, they might have their noses in the

corner. They might not even have their back to the wall. But he left it open for reconciliation. Here comes your GM. This is important to Aaron. So not only does he distance himself, reputationalally speaking, but you're also appeasing Aaron Rogers and you're appeasing the idea that Aaron Rogers is saying, I just want to reconcile. He also was quoted. He also was quoting, it is saying, Aaron deserves a seat at the table. He deserves a say. This is well played by Gunkus. Yeah, Brian Gunkus. Yeah. What a name, right? I think it's well played by him, but I also look at it as this is, this is now the start of if it goes well, the reconciliation is beautiful. You move forward.

Aaron Rogers has a say, Green Bay, all is well. If it goes bad, we put it on Aaron, look at how the season went. We have to move on. Aaron says it went bad. You took too long to let me come to the table. You give me my guy, like you give me Randall Cobb? Like you could have been getting players all along with me. it's time for me to go.

So they both have given each other an exit strategy. They both have given each other a win. By the way, the one non-Packers story that's interesting. Okay. So Michael Thomas did a little bit of a Scotty Pippen. Uh-oh. I'm going to get surgery on my clock, and Sean Payton yesterday called him out. So he's going to miss six games.

So this is a team that didn't have a quarterback, had to give up multiple players I'm aware. To get out of the cap. This is a rebuilding year for the Saints. They don't want to say it publicly. But in that division, they have no chance to win that division with Tampa. So last year, I felt Michael Thomas and the Saints.

It was strained. It was weird. Why? He got the money. Like, what, I mean, have you ever been in a, did you have a strained relationship at one point with Washington? Colin, are you being serious? It was very strained.

How bad it? I gave $2 million. plus back, I would never play another down and work for the owner of that team. Not one more day. So when you're going through a strained relationship, did it affect your play? They didn't play me. And I, you know what? And I did what any person in that situation that's humble and has been a leader for so long

until things went wrong. Because mine was a contractual fallout. and I had nothing to do with it. They messed up the contract. I'm trying to help the team, and it's a 24th hour contract getting done based upon all of the moving parts, and the agent and the franchise messed up on a couple pieces of the...

I had nothing to do with it. It wasn't even like, I'm like, give me my money type of thing. It wasn't any... I just wanted them to fix it, and let's keep moving. It became a public thing, and I became a target by the, franchise. So did it impact my play? I went out there and I played scout team. You want me on

special teams? I'm going to play special teams. I just had a humble approach to it because I knew it wasn't my doing. And if I wasn't going to get a fair opportunity to to maintain my job, I'm still here every day. Yeah. I was upset and I was hurt. And it really, it really shined a light on the business of what the professional level is. What do you think Michael Thomas? Michael, his issue is. He's getting the looks. He's getting the catches. He's getting the money. See, I feel like there's conflicting reports out there because I was under the impression from the information that I was looking at that this was a let's wait and see. Let's walk it slow. Let's not rush into a surgery. Let's see if we can heal it without it being evasive with surgery.

And it was more of a collective decision like everybody with the training staff, Even the GM, from what I've seen, I thought they were all on the same page. And Sean Payton yesterday, very hyper-aggressive. He didn't feel good about it. He didn't feel good about it. And that could be a shot at the medical staff. That could be a shot at the GM. Whoever was involved with why they took so long before he got the surgery,

they're all on the chopping block. It's just Michael Thomas that got the brunt of that from coach, coach, you know, from the coach. It is interesting. Belichick loses Brady. The wheels come off. Breeze leaves the Saints. Seeing the wheels come on.

It's like franchise quarterback is a lot more than throwing the ball down the field. Like in this league, when you have a franchise quarterback. So funny, because we're going to talk about that on the show today. They're the glue. They're the glue. They're the glue. I mean, and by the way, the Saints and the Patriots are well-run. And immediately the Star-Lar.

leaves and all of a sudden... It comes apart. You don't have the glue. And then now it starts to make the discussion points of what Aaron Rogers said in his press conference way more relevant. Yeah. LaVar Arrington speak for yourself. Good seeing you,

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Search learn the hard way and listen now. All right, Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Drew Breeze was the stock of the New Orleans Saints. Well, I mean, even though they won without him, there is something to be said about a symbolic leader. I mean, he was the soul of the Saints.

Of all the players, I mean, who's given the pregame speech? How many players have the Saints? that talk about Drew and get emotional. I mean, we've seen offensive linemen, 300-pound dudes at Bench Delaware cry multiple times talking about Drew. These Brady's and these Drews, these are once-in-a-franchised guys that literally hold it all together.

Yep. So Matthew Stafford is getting a fresh start with the Rams this year. He has 12 NFL seasons under his belt already, but he said joining a new team has everything feeling new again. Parts of the day, parts of me feel like a rookie. You know, I'm walking around, to learn everybody's name and who does what and all that kind of stuff. So trying to perform at a high level in that atmosphere is a challenge, but I'm loving it.

By the way, he's lost weight. I was about to say, he's a little, looking a little thinner in the face. No question. That's what Los Angeles does. He's either having a colonoscopy this week or he is just living the L.A. lifestyle. That could be it. I don't know if he's old enough to do that yet. But yeah, you know, you got to keep a little, you gotta keep a little cushion in Detroit.

It's a little colder up there. Well, you might want a little pudding. Yes. A little extra prime rib. Yeah. He does look noticeably thinner. He does, right? He's got, you can see the cheekbones.

Well, also, I think he realizes this is a really good culture. And I probably, I mean, not that he didn't work hard, but I would think if you enter, if you're a young employee and you've worked a company and it's your good employee, And then you go to Google. You kind of feel like, I've got to step my game up. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he wasn't a hard worker. No, no, no.

But it's different now. The scout on him. But, yeah, I mean, maybe it's just he's in California. He's getting his hikes in, you know? But they have the best odds, according to Fox Bet, to win the NFC. West. They do. They do.

Plus 175. I am going to put my dollars on the Seattle Seahawks. I think, by the way, a lot of this is who's the healthiest team by December. Who's the healthiest team? But here's what I like about the Seahawks this year. They feel like the most stable coming into the season. Cam Acres is a huge loss for the ramps. I think it is.

Matthew Stafford, as he just mentioned, is new. So however talented he is, which I think we all think he is talented and kind of waiting to see what he does in a stable, functional organization with a good coach and good pieces around him, he does still need a running game. And right now, they don't really have one. So that's a big question mark to me. San Francisco is going to be healthier than they were last year just by default. But it's still Jimmy G who is completely unreliable in the health space.

And if he does happen to go down, which would be predictably the case, you have a rookie quarterback who has not played football in the last two years. Now, I think he's going to be great in the future of the franchise, but that fact still remains this year. And we don't really know what the Cardinals are. I mean, they have the plus 550 to win the division. So Fox Bay is saying we don't know what they are either. So I really think that the Seahawks are a good bet in that space.

So Aaron Rogers spoke yesterday about everything that's going on between him and the Packers. I think we both think he pretty much nailed that. I would give it overall an A. I don't think he lost it at any point. No. But I do think, you know, if you're in Green Bay, you're not going to receive the vacation line very well. No, you're not. Even though that completely lacks self-awareness.

But nobody likes to have jobs at their city. Right. So I can see that. But other than that, there wasn't really much else that I thought he didn't completely nail and perfectly articulate. Well, this morning, GM Brian Guntgen-Kust said he responded to the comment about him being a lame duck quarterback. Yeah, that's a hard one for me because I don't necessarily, I've never looked at it like that. Obviously, at the moment, he's got three years left on his contracts. We certainly don't look at it as lame duck.

we may alter that, but even at that stage, it's not going to be a one-year contract. So never looked at it like that. As you guys know in this business, everything's year-to-year. But I've never looked at it as a lame duck situation with any player. Well. You're not going to, maybe publicly. Maybe publicly. But as we all know, because the NFL does not have guaranteed contracts, the guaranteed money is really the contract.

That's what matters in the NFL. that's why you negotiate so hard because this is not a sport where the contract is fully guaranteed. So Rogers restructured deal is still being finalized. He's going to avoid the last deal of 2020, I mean last season, 2023 season. He'll have two years remaining on the four-year, $130 million, $34 million contract extension he signed in 2018. The deal doesn't have any more guaranteed money. So the adjustments that are being made will shift his base salary and signing bonus and the Packers will be able to save. save over $11 million on the cap in 2021 with the restructured contract.

Again, I think both sides won here with the concessions. You have Aaron Rogers in camp, which is number one. Like Aaron Rogers is going to be there. He's in training camp. You got him back. Devonte Adams is now back at the table negotiating, which is important. I don't think the Randall Cobb move is really that big of a deal. I do think he's pricey, but I feel like he's like a gronk type of addition.

You're not expect, you have Devonte Adams, you have other receivers. don't need him to be an every down high volume guy, which is not what he is anymore. But if he can make a couple big plays for you, if he can compensate or, you know, pick up when Monti's being double-teamed here and there. Could you get 450 yards out of him? That would probably be a win. Now, for the salary you're paying him, you'd want 900 yards. Sure.

Can you get half that nine games? You've got Aaron happier than he was. Everyone is moving forward with the season. I really, I don't love it. There's a lot going on in the off-season to just, you know, put behind you. you and travel forward, but I do feel like Aaron Rogers is as much of a competitor as he is, he's still going to put 100% into this season. And he actually needs to.

If he wants to move on, I mean, there's going to be a market for him regardless, but he wants to have a good final season in Green Bay. I don't think he's going to mail it in just because it's been a little problematic. Finally, the Lakers are looking to boost their supporting cast this offseason, and they need to, and they've zeroed in on a potential target, according to Kevin O'Connor. The team has stepped up their efforts to make a trade for Buddy Healed. point shooting. Of the Kings. They're reportedly adding the 22nd pick in the draft

to a deal that would include Montrez Harrell and either Kyle Kuzma or Contavius Caldwell Pope. That is a lot, but they do need some shooting. And they want to get rid of Trez. I know that. Yes, and he's made the most

three-pointers in a single season in King's history. And he's only missed three games in his career. Plays hard, shoots, threes, limitations, I think athletically and defensively, but in And he's always available. Yep. And he shoots threes, and the Lakers don't have a ton of that.

So it works. And he's a veteran. He's a good locker room guy. I don't think it's a bad move. I mean, the Lakers have to be aggressive somewhere. It's just they're going to have to give up a significant amount to get him, which obviously the Kings are not going to let just let him walk. A few updates, though, for the draft.

The Pistons have decided, according to Wode, to take Cade Cunningham with the first overall pick. So that puts everybody else on the clock at this point in Shuner. Tom's also just tweeted the Pelicans traded the 53rd pick in the draft to the Sixers for $2 million in cash, which begins to set the rate for purchasing a pick in tonight's draft. So moves are already starting to be made. All right, joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skis. hits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right what you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim?

Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you're not. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed correct. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast. Learn the Hardway with me, your host. and your favorite therapist, Kear Games.

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and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely.

And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast. Learn the Hardway. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. I bring him on once or twice a year. Super smart Rashad Phillips. He's an NBA and NCAA prospect specialist, played for eight different countries overseas. Tremendous college basketball player, owner of Sports Talk 2319. When it comes to the draft, he's the Yoda. He breaks it all down.

And Rashad Phillips in Atlanta joining us live. All right, let's get to it. I would make my number one pick if it was me. I love Jalen Suggs. He was a football. player. He's big. He's physical. He can score. He can shoot. I just think he's a guy I want running my franchise. Your thoughts, let's talk about Jalen Suggs, though. What is your feeling on him? Straints, weaknesses. I think he's a phenomenal player. I talk from the leadership standpoint. First, obviously being a former standout quarterback, he already comes with the qualities of being a great leader. His competitive nature, his will to win, play through injuries. that's what I love about him. Now, there's questions about his jump shooting and about his initiation,

but when you just look at this kid overall, he's a can't miss prospect because, again, the leadership and the way he carries himself, it just speaks for itself. Cade Cunningham, according to Wojj, will go number one to Detroit. Now, it's interesting, he's a 6.8 point, so he jumps off the TV screen in college. He's just like magic. He just looks different than other kids. but when I watch him, I don't see a great athlete. Does that worry you at all?

Doesn't worry me at all, Colin, because there's an attribute that we don't put in scouting reports that should be in scouting reports, and that's craftiness. When you look at Kay Coneyham, what he brings to the table is a player that's super IQ. He understands angles. He can get places on the court.

He doesn't have to beat you with speed and athleticism, but he beats you with great quickness and shift. He knows how to get around. guys and using that 6-8 frame and being physical, he's a terrific pick for the Detroit Pistons reminds me of Grant Hill. Okay, now the kid that's obvious you can just see on the film, Jalen Green is, wow, John Morant athletic. What do you like?

What would you worry about with Jalen Green because he'll go in the top four? Jalen Green is the best athlete. He's the most dynamic player in this draft. When you watch him on tape, it just screen. at you. This kid has some Zach Levine fabric. He gets in the lane. He's terrific over the defense. He flies over

people. This is a player that I want to pay my hard earned money to watch play. He's that exciting. Now, here's the things that I'm hearing from a lot of scouts. Can he stay consistent? Can he consistently knock down jump shots? I can answer that for you. I believe he

will be one of the most exciting rookies that we've ever seen. All right. Let's go to a guy I've seen a lot of Evan Mobley. About a year and a half ago, he was considered a second rounder. A year ago, he was a late first. Now there's arguments. He would go number two.

The people compare him to Chris Bosch. When I watched him, my takeaway was he's what modern bigs look like. He can run the floor. He's got soft hands. What do you make of him as a prospect? Yeah, he's what I call a hybrid post. I mean, a rim runner. he has a terrific a skill set.

He can knock down shots from the perimeter. He can catch the alley-you. But the most important thing about Mobley is when you look at today's NBA, the bigs have to be able to switch out on those terrific perimeter scores in the NBA. I believe that Mobley can use its versatility on the defensive side of the ball and be an anchor, and he will be able to guard the perimeter. That's what makes them so attractive to NBA teams. Okay.

Is there a player in this draft? It's a lot of American kids. It's not as international in the top 15 picks as usual. So is there a player that you think is a little under the radar that is not getting quite the pub? Because you've done this before. You've hit on some gems. You know, a lot of people, myself included, I doubted Trey Young. You loved Trey Young.

You thought he was going to take over. And he did this year in the playoffs. Who's somebody out there? You're like, you know what? People aren't seeing what I'm seeing. There's two kids that stand out for me. One is Cam Thomas from LSU. I mean, this kid is fantastic.

When you look at Cam Thomas, he has a dominant skill trait. And when a kid has a dominant skill trait, as an NBA team, you echo that skill trait, which is scoring the basketball. There's not enough second unit scores in the NBA. Cam Thomas epitomizes scoring the ball. Now, secondly, the other player is Trey Murphy. out of Virginia. He's a kid that can knock down shots. Colin, he's a 50, 40, 90 player.

He's a stretch big, has some Robert Ori type of fabric to him, 6-9, 6-8, can put it on the floor, but he's a shot maker. He's a shot taker. I look for him to be exciting as well. Oh, that's interesting. Is there, if I said overall, it looks like to me there's some really good guards, and I think, you know, it's funny. I think it's a guard wing lead.

and then all of a sudden, Janus takes it over. Is there anything about this draft? It looks like a very deep draft to me. Compare it to last year, the year before, the talent. Yeah, this is a deep draft. I mean, I can go deep into the second round and find players that will maybe impact the NBA right away. I mean, you look at Jason Preston out of Ohio.

There's just so many kids. And this is about the evolution of basketball. Like, we're watching evolution right before our, eyes. Each year, the draft is going to get deeper and deeper because the kids get better and better. That's what we're witnessing. Yeah, the bigs now can handle the ball. If you had the number one pick and you were Detroit looking at their roster, who would you pick and why, Rashad? Look, I'm from Detroit's, my hometown. I would have to go with Kay Cunningham because I live through the Grant Hill era. And I believe Kay Cunningham will bring back the ghost of Grant Hill. He's not

as explosive as Grant Hill. He's not as quick as Grant Hill, but he has the magnetism. He has the aura. He will be a phenomenal locker room presence. This kid studies film. He's a gym rat. That's what Detroit basketball is all about. They're getting off to the right start by grabbing this kid. He's tremendous. You know, it seems to me most of these kids now are much savier than years ago. I mean, it's really funny, the fact that they're watching film now. I'm like, that's, that to me is remarkable. Has it changed in the eight, nine years you've been doing this? Yeah, it just seems like, again, the kids are bigger, they're faster, they're stronger,

they jump higher, and it's funny though, you know, like I feel like a dinosaur. I haven't played it so long, I'm watching all these new type of players. I think it's just going to get richer and richer, which is great for the game. It's global now. and the NBA is as strong as it's ever been. I'm excited to just continue to watch it. Yeah. All right.

Rashad Phillips, NBA, college basketball prospect specialist. I lean on him. He's terrific. You can follow him on Twitter. One of one podcast with Rashad. So he'd go with Kate Cunningham, who I think Woj said today, that looks like they're picking, unless they make a big trade, and we shall see. Okay, Rashad, it's great as always.

You do amazing work, and I trust your opinion. Thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me, Colin. Talk soon. Tell Joy, I say hello. All right, Joey. He said hello. Hello. Knows his stuff. It's fun. I mean, drafts are fun.

Yes, they are fun. We love watching the reactions. And we talk about this with the NFL draft all the time. It's just hope. It's the best kind of hope. He said for a couple players, I like Jalen Suggs. And he said, I'm not sure about his jump shot. That's the thing I always defend players.

There's stuff I can't coach. passion, length, twitchiness. But I always defend players when, like, he can't shoot yet. And I always say this, Ray Allen came into the league as an athlete, not a great shooter. Shooting is repetition. Shooting is confidence. I mean, look at yon. It's also strength in development as well.

Yeah. So when they say, you know, the guy's got everything, I don't know about a shot, unless it's Markell Foltz, which just didn't work. or Ben Simmons where they're saying, you know, we don't know if he's shooting with the right hand. Jalen Suggs to me is to me, he's my favorite player, not because the others aren't good,

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