The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/05/2021 - HOUR 3 - Packers, Colts

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What the NFL is saying is, hey, we're going to make it much more difficult. If you don't get vaccinated, we're going to make you test more and more and more and more and more. But they're not saying you have to be vaccinated. They're just strongly encouraging you to get vaccinated, or you're going to have to test more. And if you do get COVID, you'll have to be out more. So I think it borders on irresponsible for a quarterback to do that. But Kirk Cousins is going to make the team. He's not a bubble player. that could come down to like a decision where coaches just say, you know, it's a fringe player. I'm going to take the vaccinated guy over the unvaccinated guy.

And I think that's going to happen all over the league. But, you know, one of the things about social media that I roll my eyes at, what really social media is is people trying to convince you to think just like them. I believe in vaccinations. I strongly believe in vaccinations. I worry about people that aren't vaccinated. But I'm not going to sit and try to convince people all day to get vaccinated. This is not a federal mandate yet.

Now, if it is, then you've got to follow rules. If you work at Netflix, got to be vaccinated or you can't come to work, then you better get vaccinated. But the people have opinions. I sit on social media sometimes and Republicans are trying to convince liberals to be Republicans and liberals trying to, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Stop wasting your time.

I strongly believe you should be vaccinated. But I'm not going to spend all day yelling at people. Kirk Cousins is like, I don't want to do it. I think he's going to lose respect to some teammates. and some coaches. I don't think the owners of the Vikings like it. I think the coach is mad. I think if he does get COVID, good luck.

He'll be out much longer because that's what the NFL is doing. Like you've got to test more. And if you get it, you've got to stay out longer. But what makes America America's choices, regardless of if I believe him or not or agree with them or not. Alex is joining us today. Alex Curry Joy is back Monday from an amazing vacation from what I can tell on her IG and her Twitter in Italy, and she is having the time of her life.

Oh, yeah. Have you seen you were just talking about the vaccinations? New York is going to require people to go into some restaurants, some workout places? You've got to show your vaccination card. A prime example is I know a couple of people that have restaurants, and they actually want that because they don't want to be shut down again. So they are for anything that means they'll have fewer in their eyes problems. Possibilities of someone catching COVID.

Listen, we don't want to shut things down again. So we're just saying, hey, we're going to do what we got to do here, but we don't want to shut down businesses. So, you know, I strongly encourage it, but I'm not going to sit on social media all day and yell at people. Like, this is people have different reasons they believe in stuff or don't. And I know people don't want to get vaccinated. It's okay. Okay? I don't agree with it.

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Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84's big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day but just so y'all know I mean at this point Mark this is the second episode where we've discussed crack so I'm starting to see that there's a through line We also have AIDS on the table right now

So Thank you finishing that sentence I don't think there's a more important year for black people Really? Yeah for me it's one of the most important years for black people in American history Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast

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Super Bowl, multiple-time pro bowler, played with Favre and Rogers. So, you know, it's interesting. There's a bunch of stories here. I saw one with Joe Burrow where they're acknowledging he's really struggled in camp. And a lot of it is tore his ACL, his MCL had additional damage. It was a bad injury. And the offensive line was lousy. And I said this earlier, you can't unsee certain things.

Like if you got into a car wreck, you'd be jittery when you got in a car for some time. And I look at Joe Burrow and I think the thing I liked about him was his swagger. It wasn't his arm. It wasn't his size. Well, he's not playing with a lot of swagger. You tell me as a pro athlete, when you suffer a really ugly injury, how long does it take to feel 100% confident when you jam your foot into the ground to make a cut? It takes a minute. The game is so mental.

And I don't think a lot of viewers that watch these athletes and understand what they have to go through because they make it look so easy. and simplistic on the day-to-day basis, understand the mental struggle that a lot of these athletes endure throughout the course of a season, specifically when you've encountered injury or any type of obstacle or adversity. When you've suffered an injury like Joe Burrell, it takes a lot of mental toughness to step back on that field. Number one, no, am I the same player? You have these questions, Colin.

Like, I don't care what's your injury. I don't care the extent of the injury. You start watching from the sideline and you see players making catches or quarterbacks making throws and you're looking like, man, I did that. I used to do that when I was out there and it starts to come and creep into your mind, the little doubt. And then you have to, once you get back on that field, trust that your body will hold up. It's not that you don't believe that you can still do it, but you have to now see yourself

do it on a consistent basis. and then your body then catches up and says, okay, now I actually believe that my knee can take this. Yeah. But until the season starts, he's not going to be 100% because he's not going to be in live action knowing what his knee can really withstand. You know, interesting, Carson Wentz is injured. And here's a guy with multiple injuries. And it was interesting.

You know, a lot of people have said, well, Nick Foles is the obvious answer. Frank Reich today said how much he loved Nick. Nick two days ago said how much he loved Frank. It's an obvious answer. The reason you don't do it is the mental part of it. And Nick Wright came on the other day and he had a great line. He said if you're a quarterback, you can't be physically fragile and mentally fragile. You've got to give me one.

Is it a legit criticism to say, Carson, if you can't stay healthy, you've got to be strong enough upstairs to endure Nick Foles. Or am I being unrealistic and quarterbacks are different when it comes to that stuff? No, in my opinion, you can lack the physical toughness and still be protected and guarded from that. But one thing you can't lack is the mental toughness. As a quarterback, you're the leader of my football team, you're the face of my franchise, and I can't depend on you mentally to be strong, to be tough, to endure, to literally go head to head with competition when all we do is ask you to compete. like I can't you can't win with that and I get it he's he's a great talent and you see so much potential but when you start to see the same psyche over and over and over again you got a question

can you really win with a guy who is mentally broken yeah no I think it's I think it's a legitimate question so I was thinking about this so let's say you're in san francisco and you're jimmy g's first or second receiver and you like him and he got you to the Super Bowl. And then Trey Lance comes in and he looks good. But Jimmy's your boy. You've gone on a hunting trip or you've gone to Vegas. Like your buddies.

You room together two years ago. But you watch Trey Lance and you're like, man, he can do some stuff. My buddy can't do. Like in your career, did you ever get into a weird situation where it was like my friend's there, but that guy may be better.

You know, it's interesting. Because for me, the only comparison that I truly have is Brett Farther to Aaron Rogers. And they were so skillfully talented. Like there was literally, Colin was nothing the other couldn't do. Like that was their mentality. That was their approach. And that was what was presented every single day we stepped on the football field. But when you look at what we're seeing or what we're hearing about that's taking place over in the Bay with San Francisco and Jimmy Garapolo and

Tray Lance, you can't help but to salivate and to hope because Jimmy Garapolo has been so inconsistently healthy and been able to provide it on a consistent basis. Do we know he can do it if he's out there? Yeah, but have we seen him struggle? Yeah. I think that's the thing that is so enticing is we've not seen Tray Lance struggle because he hasn't been on the field. All we're going to see and know of right now is how great everything looks, how excellent

he's taking on the playbook, how important he's put football in his process of being a student of the game in front of everything else. And so we're seeing and hearing all the positives. But when you get on that field on Sundays, we start to see some of those negatives. And I think that's just what we're living in right now. So a personal question. So a couple weeks ago, Aaron came out and named 12 players the Packers hadn't treated well. And they should have kept boom, boom, boom, boom. it wasn't lost on me that he didn't name you or Jermichael Finley, who had both been critical. I mean, you're a broadcaster. We ask you to have opinions on Aaron, and they can all be fluffy and wonderful.

And Jermichael Finley a couple times said, you know, he's not easy sometimes. And so when you weren't listed in that name, I was like, come on, Aaron, give me a break on this. Was it lost on you or did you kind of hear that and think? No, I'm not, come on, Colin. I'm a realist. Like, no, it wasn't lost on me. I listened to the interview. I heard the interview.

Did I expect him to call my name? No. Would I have been shocked? Of course. But the reality is what it is. Like, I wanted to stay in Green Bay. Yeah. I felt like I should have been important enough and valued peace to where that should have been not even in question.

But for him, I get it. I understand. So I don't hold it against him. But listening to. Brian Gutakunz and him talking about the relationship and where it's headed. Trust me, from experience, that road is long. That road is dark. And it is uncertain.

That is funny. That was my next question. You know, I mean, Aaron said all the right things. Oh, you have relationships. Take a long time. And I was like, yeah, okay, whatever. You know, I don't be snarky, cynical media guy. But let's be honest.

Aaron's got a memory. Right? We know that, right? No question. Yes, he does. And all of us have a memory, but I think when we look at Aaron Rogers, we've been, we've experienced enough of him to know that he doesn't let things go easily. Let's just say that. And for me, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It is what it is. I've spoken out and will continue to be both praising of Ann Rogers, applauding him when he plays well and when his expectations or when his people, play, proceeds that, but also critical as my job is descriptive for me to convey that to viewers and to show them what I'm seeing, what I didn't see, and what the expectations are of the great Aaron Rogers. Good seeing you, buddy. Good seeing you, too, man.

Greg Jennings. I'm excited for football. So am I tonight, Steelers and the Cowboys. I have the Steelers not making the playoffs. I just think Cleveland's offense is too good and Baltimore's roster is too good. I have the Steelers 8 and 9 and I have the Cowboys making the playoffs.

I still, everybody just is telling me the defense can be so much better. Just let me see it. It was so bad last year. I don't think you can go from terrible to good. Can you go to Terrible to not a sieve? Okay. I do think the Cowboys will have the best offense

easily in the division. and giants have a little pop. So I have the Cowboys as a wild card team, 9 and 8. And, you know, 10 and 7 wouldn't shock me. 11 and 6 probably would. I think they have some deficiencies on the roster. And I have the Steelers as an 8 and 9 team with 9 and 8 surprise me. No, 10 and 7 would with the Steelers.

I think it's the worst offensive line. It's really thin, and I don't think they're great at receiver. Big Ben will be fine early. But if you're asking Ben to throw 50 times a game, don't be shocked. if his 18th year, he's not very good in December. That's what happened last year. You keep asking him, no running game to throw 50 times a game. You can't ask Drew Brees to do that.

You can't ask Brady to do that. It's just not the reality of their bodies. Alex, with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Joe Burroughs coming back from a torn ACL as he prepares for his second NFL season. Reports from Camp says that he doesn't look as good as he did during his rookie year. and that's the offense is struggling overall.

But head coach Zach Taylor isn't worried saying that there is no cause for panic with so much time left before the regular season starts. Now, we've talked about this a lot today. And I think the biggest part for Joe is going to be the mental side of his game. Yeah. Coming back from a major injury, you're never totally sure what if one cut, one move sets you back. And he's come back from an injury before. Yeah, his leg got shattered.

It was bad. It was shattered. Yeah, ACL, MCL, additional. damage so it was bad. And the other thing is, it'd be one thing if he was coming back to the Colts offensive line. But you're going to, you know, you can't, you, now, they're very good at wide receiver. Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, that's the one unit in their team. They're excellent. But they're rebuilding the interior of their offensive line. And for him, he's going to be a little ginger here, probably for most of the year. Certainly the first couple of months of the year,

he just needs to feel that he gets that extra half second to throw without people banging on his feet. He was sacked 32 times last season. In 10 games. Yeah. Yeah. So I wish him the best. Moving on, Urban Meyer is going to have to make some tough decisions soon as he finalizes his JAG roster. And he revealed that one tactic he uses to elevate his players that will be influential in roster decisions is seeing who wins one-on-one drills at camp.

Oh, I think to be fair to players, you know, I just. We all have so much respect for this is a way guys make it living. I don't believe in subjectivity. I believe in what's your record? Every man's got a record. What is it? You are what your record are. If you lose a lot, but you have a lot of potential, that's not real good.

I can give you an example after example that maybe they're a little slow, but they just never lose. I'm so fascinated to watch this team. I'm really rooting for Jacksonville. I love Urban. I love Trevor. But I was told this, by the way. people have talked about Tim Tebow. This is what I was told.

Tebow probably makes the Jags as a third tight end. Good locker room, works hard, not a vital position. Urban friendship probably makes it. He's his guy in the locker room. And Tebow would not make overwhelmingly most rosters. But there is value as a rookie coach. Remember, when Brady went to Tampa Bay, he fought for Gronk, who was out of his prime. Because Gronk spreads the gospel.

Brought him out of retirement. Listen, Tim Tebow is not going to win or lose games. But there's an argument, a pro-Tibo argument to be made. When you get down to the last five players on an NFL roster, these guys are not deciding games. Remember, outside of quarterback, D'Andre Hopkins, the best receiver in the league, is probably worth a point a game. If you go to Vegas, that's about what it was worth.

the last 30 guys on this roster are not worth a point. Now, some like a right tackle, protect your asset. But I think when you get down to the last four or five guys, work ethic, coachability, optimistic, injury history, Tim doesn't have a lot of injury history. I think he's probably, he's probably has a chance to make the team. Off just being Tebow. I mean, I saw a picture on the other day.

He must live in the weight room. His body, he can shrink it and grow it. Like some guys, he is ripped. Now, I don't think he's ever going to be a good blocker despite his size, and he's zero vertical threat going down the field. But this is not the Chiefs. This is not a loaded offensive team. They're not really great at that spot,

and I think he has a chance to stick. I'm with you on that, too. I do love the ruthlessness of Urban Meyer, saying that he's doing these drills and he's going to make roster decisions based on who wins these one-on-one drills. Do you believe that? Do you believe that he is actually going to

make his decision based on these? What would the decision be made for? I mean, if you have, you need to keep six receivers and you know the first five, we're running routes today against the same good corner and which one of you can get free. I mean, that's at the end.

There's a reason you're practicing. It has to matter for something. but they know and they're like announcing winner over the loudspeaker. Like it's a, it's a show. He's putting on a show. I'm here for it. Yeah. I like it.

All right, Tua has a lot of eyes on him as he gets ready to be the full-time Dolphin starter this year. He said being able to work with his teammates over the offseason has been incredibly helpful. And he thinks he's making good progress with the offense and training camp. I would say I'm very comfortable. You know, I think the biggest thing with my position, though, is you can never, you know, you can never get, you know, overly confident with the position that we're in.

You know, you got to stay even keel with the ups and the downs. Every day I'm trying to get better. I'm not looking at the things that I do right, but most of the things I don't do right. You know, and it'll keep coming back to that, you know, me just continuing to get better and continuing to work day by day. Reps, reps, reps, live reps, that's what you want from Tua. Get him out there. Live reps because he's not going to get taller.

He's not going to get more athletic. but he can get more seasoned. I want to see him play. I'm serious here. I want him playing the entire first half of every preseason game. Well, as we heard Jake Glazer just say, everyone's amazing in training camp. Everyone's going to say they're amazing. Everyone's coming off a great off season.

Even Jimmy Johnson yesterday told us, don't listen to what anyone says in training camp. Don't listen to the coaches. Everyone's great. But as you said, with Tua, we're going to have to see it. We're going to have to see it in a game. There's a lot of things he can't improve on. size, arm, athletic ability. So he's going to have to be really good pre-snap, adjustments, audibles.

That's where his growth will be. It's not going to get taller. So when you lack certain physical traits, Brady and Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, then you have to be great in other places. And that's really the growth of Brady. Brady doesn't, Brady's arm was better years ago. But Brady at the line of scrimmage has never been better. And that was always Eli Manning.

Eli Manning was great in the two-minute drill. Not only was he always available, but he was often better on the road. He was great, two minutes to go. We saw him in Super Bowls. Eli was never going to become a great athlete ever. That was never going to happen. So with Tua, I want to see him take every rep. That's where his growth is going to come for.

By the way, this is a really good roster. It's got to come fast. We can't sit here and just wait until Thanksgiving. Some of these guys, like Trey Lance, Justin Fields and Tua, they need to plan the preseason. This is going to be a really interesting preseason. The Bears preseason, the Niners preseason,

and the Dolphins preseason. Like, preseason football is mostly Drek. It's brutal. Those are games I've got to watch. Yep. The good news is he has the mentality and the work ethic for it. Good stuff. Alex for the news.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do a Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform. became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health,

purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, learn the hard way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month,

I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conference. conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing.

And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid?

Because that's two different intentions, bro absolutely and that's two different levels of trust i want you to just really be a good person join me kear gains is we have real conversations about healing growth fatherhood pressure and purpose on my new podcast learn the hard way open your free i heart radio app search learn the hard way and listen now door dash here get more from your neighborhood summer of dash pass 10 bucks off groceries and pet food try dash pass for free year round savings stay cool it's on there DoorDash app, good stuff. Joe Thysman played for 12 years in the NFL.

He was a Super Bowl champ of multiple time. Pro Bowler. He's won 62% of his games. Won three times as many playoff games as he lost. Was part of that dynasty with the Washington football team. And Joe Thysman is joining us now live. Haven't talked in a while, and there's a bunch of stuff. By the way, people often forget that you and Warren Moon are the two greatest players in league history

that had to start in the CFL. You played there and played well for three years, negotiations with the dolphins. I'm old enough to remember all that stuff, Joe. That's the only time I like being old. Thank you. You know, there's something to be said about aging. I don't know how graceful we are at times aging,

but there's something to be said about aging. But you're right. I, you know, Warren and I spent a lot of time up there. He spent a lot more time actually in Canada than I did. And of course, another guy who didn't quite get to the championship level, but won a bunch of championships up there is Doug Flutty. Doug spent an awful lot of time up there as well. So we all got to.

We all got our starts somewhere. Let's start with this. Joe Gibbs is one of the great coaches of all time. We've talked a lot in the last couple of months about Aaron Rogers having a say in personnel to some degree. Did Joe Gibbs ever go to Joe Thysman and think, Joe, what do you think about this receiver in the fourth round? First of all, the answer is no. Secondly, if I didn't like a play, it didn't matter. I'd figure out how to run it.

It's a different time and a different age. And I said this a long time ago about Aaron's. situation. It isn't that he wants to sit down and make the decisions. He would just like to be included in the conversation. I had a conversation with a really, really fine general manager, one of the best in the league. He's retired now. And I asked him, did you ever talk to your players? He said, absolutely. I'd get four or five up in the room and the season was over. We'd sit down, we'd talk about the football team. Nobody knows the needs as well as a player. I mean, I understand management. They look at it. But players understand locker rooms. They understand. They understand.

understand what goes on on the field. They understand the communication aspect of it. And just to have their input about what they see, I think is valuable when it comes to being able to help a football team, add personnel and grow. You know, it's interesting. I heard this week Carson Wentz, I think Nick Foles would work in Indianapolis, but I also know the background with Foles and Wentz. And somebody said to me this week, and I thought it was pretty smart, they said, you can't be physically not capable of playing. And then emotionally not always able to play because somebody's on the roster you don't like. And Carson Went, should he be able to just go, hey, I'm not always available physically.

Emotionally, I got to get through this thing and deal with Nick Foles. Is that asking too much? Yeah, I think basically in Carson's, don't worry about other people. You take care of yourself. We won a championship in 82, and I think they drafted Tom Flick, a quarterback in the second round. Yeah. And it's like, I can't worry about what's behind me. I'm not a rearview mirror guy when it comes to playing ball or anything in life.

I like to see what's out in front of me. I hope Carson can stay healthy enough to be able to compete. I think going to Indianapolis with Frank is a great thing for him mentally. I don't care. If I'm Carson, I don't care who you bring in. Right now, I can't play. We're going to need somebody to start the season. And then bring on whatever competition you want.

I think that's the attitude. It's healthy for him. It's healthy for the football team. And that's where I hope he gets to. You were in Super Bowls. I remember them well. 82 and 83 back to back. And, you know, Kansas City has now been to back to back Super Bowls. I think fans don't realize this.

We just think Tom Brady's going to make it. It's like, time out. A lot of those Patriot teams did not go to the Super Bowl back to back. Take me to 82, 83. Was 83 much harder than 82 to get there for you, Joe? I think we were, like, it's a tough question to say yes or no to, simply because, remember, in 82, we only played 12 games. It was a strike season.

Yeah. We missed, I think, seven games. So it was a shorter year. That's one of the things that we see now is we see that the strain on the players, how many people are available. I mean, you look at that Super Bowl with Kansas City, this last one against Tampa, both their tackles were gone. I mean, guys are starters in this league for a reason, Colin.

You have ones and twos for a reason. If you're trying to play a team that has a lot of ones, and you've got a lot of twos, it's going to be tough. And we saw that in the Kansas City game. The thing is, it's a long season. It wears on you. Their offseason isn't as long as others, and there is a recuperation period.

I think that what they need to do, and it's a different time and a different era, but they need to sit down and look at where their deficiencies were. I think one of the things that we noticed that nobody really talked about is the last three games that Kansas City played, they weren't stellar performances. They got there, but they struggled.

They weren't the juggernaut they were going into the latter part of the season. And they need to get that back. And the other thing is, too, is, you know, Tariq is such a big part of what they do offensively. They need to find alternatives. Besides Kelsey, you need to find an alternative weapon so that if people want to take away, Tariq, you have to make them pay so that you can take advantage of his great speed and his ability to stretch a field. Okay, so I hear the Niners brass.

They're all saying, Boh, Carapola, looks amaze as the best I've ever seen Garapolo, and part of that, I think, is strategic, because if they have to move him at some point, let me ask you, if you ran a team, knowing is injury history, Joe, you lose your quarterback week five, he's kind of expensive. Joe, would you roll the dice on Garoppolo in week five or six if you look at your roster and you think, we can win games with a guy if he can play? It depends on how long he's gone for. If I lose them early, is he gone for the season?

Then you have to make an evaluation. I think this is a key year. More than completing passes, more than throwing touchdown passes. The most important thing for Jimmy this year is to play 17 football games. To be able to make yourself available. I tell guys all the time, young guys, they said, the most important thing you can be is on the field. Because if you're on the field, the coach can count on you. If you're on the field, you're learning.

Every day you take a snap. I've had conversations with Tom Brady. I mean, Tom's 44 now. Tom's played 21 years in this league. He goes out to practice in Tampa Bay. He learned something today. I promise you that. That's the type of player that we have.

That's the type of individual that he is. I think in Jimmy's case, you just have to keep yourself available so that you can play football. Boy, you look good, Joe. You're taking care of yourself. You look fantastic. By the way, you're doing something. You're always been a young thinker.

You have a new NFT sports collectible thing you're doing. What are you launching here? Yeah, we do. The NFTs are out. As a matter of fact, they're out today. And what they are is they're live for purchase today. They're actually called playbooks. And what I've done is I've taken four plays that I basically had that I think defined a lot of my career.

It was my touchdown pass against the – a touchdown pass I caught against USC in college, my record-breaking punt, which was one yard, the play that was made against Kim Bocapper in Super Bowl 17. And then my first punt return. See, I started my career as a punt return. against the Giants. So I've had a chance to do a lot of different things, and we've captured them in the NFTs, and we did the voiceovers for it.

I think Marcus Allen is doing it, Earl Campbell, I believe is one that's doing it. Shannon Sharp is another one that's doing it. And they're available, like I say, today. And it's pretty exciting. I looked at a couple of them, and it's really neat what they can do with the imagery and the digital nature of creating these really collectibles.

They're unique. Those four plays are very unique. and really define my career in so many different ways. And I think that's what we all want to do, is make something special to us available to people that are interested in. Hey, one more question. When you were playing, these quarterbacks now, Joe, I mean, good God, they got quarterback gurus. They got quarterback camps. They throw 10,000 throws by the time that 11 years old.

And so I said with two and Daniel Jones, I'm going to make a decision by Thanksgiving. I'm not going to give you four years anymore. That's not the way the world is. We got a minute left, minute and a half left. How long if you ran the Giants or the Dolphins before Daniel and Tua, before you would just make a decision, maybe not publicly, but privately, we got to get a better quarterback. I would give them the entire year. I wouldn't have made a decision midseason. Too many things factor into it.

Colin, I've said this time and time again. The quarterback position is the single most dependent position on the field. If you lose some personnel, again, I go back to Patrick in the Super Bowl. you lose your two tackles, you're going to run around and you're limping a little bit anyway. So I would give them, I would commit to both of them for the entire year this year. Let me see what you got. Then we'll go look at it after that and we'll sit down and evaluate not only your position, but what helped you either helped you or hurt you to be able to win football games for us.

Wait, I got a minute left. Ryan Fitzpatrick, I love your team and your coach. I don't get that decision at quarterback. Explain it to me. You have to. I think the thing about Fitz is he sort of fills the role a little bit of what Alex did here, Alex Smith, when he was here, and with Taylor Heineke. He's a guy who has a chance to play.

Stephen Montez is another one that's out there. Kyle Allen, there are three other quarterback. Fitz has such a great presence in the locker room. He has a great presence on the field. I've been at training camp every day except for one since it started. And he's learning an entirely new system. Now, you think if he played in nine different teams that he'd be a guy that knows what's going on. This is a little bit of a different system, and it's a learning process.

But he brings such calm. And one of the things, there's no question, what Washington wanted to do this year would be able to put the ball down the field. And it's something that Fitz does. Yeah. So what he does from a player standpoint, his personality fits this football team very well. Great seeing you, Joe. You look fantastic. Thank you so much.

Thanks, Colin. Great being with you. Take care of yourself. Oh, Joe Thaisman, who, by the way, is the only start. quarterback to win an MVP and Super Bowl title who was not in the Hall of Fame. And again, he was a punt returner when he broke in. He was out of Notre Dame. He was a fourth round pick.

Negotiations broke down. He went to the CFL for three years. Three quarterbacks. Flutie did some. Vince Farragamo did some. Warren Moon dominated the league. Joe Thysman. And that was the viable alternative when you were – I always said with Tim Tebow, I always said go play CFL

and be a starting quarterback. His game is more built for the CFL than the NFL. And by the way, people think I'm anti-Tibbo. No, all I've said about Tebow was he was overhyped as a starting quarterback. I was right. The baseball thing was mostly gimmick. The Mets admitted it. I was right.

I don't really buy him as an NFL player, but, I mean, he's eight years removed from playing a new position. But I do think, and I've said this before, there is value and coachability. I mean, what did Joe Thaisman just say about Ryan Fitzpatrick? He's great for the room. He's great. Chase Daniels made a lot of money in this league as a backup quarterback who never plays. He's great in the room.

That's Tbo's value. That's really important in a locker room. You need the guy that brings everyone together and kind of holds it together. You need blue guys. All right, Alex, great seeing you. I'm off tomorrow. Thanks to everybody, Ryan Alex. Thanks for watching. It's the hurt. Another podcast from some

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