The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/06/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: August 6, 2021

Nick Wright fills in for Colin and disputes Charles Barkley's argument against LeBron James being the greatest player of all time. He reacts to breaking news out of the NFL with Bills quarterback Josh Allen getting a huge $258 million contract extension. He also responds to Colin's assertion that Patrick Mahomes is not a Hall of Famer despite his amazing career thus far. Plus, Fox Sports NFL analyst Bucky Brooks joins the show to tell Nick if the Bills overpaid for Josh Allen. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports. It is the herd. Nick Wright in for a vacationing. Colin Cowherd, Alex Curry, alongside of course. Joy Taylor vacationing. You know, it's unbelievable, Alex. Colin, God only knows where he is. He has, you know, homes all over the lower 48, maybe including Alaska Y. I'm not sure. Joy, I know where she is, because she can't stop humble bragging via pictures on the Amalfi Coast. I'm not Alex. I'm not Alex I know Joy is one of your dear friends, one of my dear friends. I'm not even jealous of the scenery, the history. I'm just jealous of the food.

Like every time she's posting these food pictures, and I have massive food envy, but you and I were stewarded the ship today. How are you doing, Alex? Oh, I'm doing fabulous. But yeah, you're right. The best part of Italy is the food. I mean, it's an experience. It's a couple hours just to sit down, have the amazing meal, the wine.

So she's doing great. I'm doing great today because I got to watch my girls, Alex Climmon and April Ross, take home the gold and beach volleyball yesterday. So big congrats to them. Manhattan Beach was going off yesterday for that. That's fantastic. And by the way, while we're giving shoutouts, nobody remembers this except for me. The very first time I ever filled in on this show five years ago, the very first guest I ever interviewed was

Allison Felix. And I was a little fanboyish, I will admit, with Ms. Felix, because I love track and field. She's a superstar. And Allison Felix, spoiler alert America, just a couple hours ago, got her record setting 10th Olympic medal by bronze meddling in the 400 meter dash. So congrats to your friends at the beach volleyball team. Congrats to American icon Allison Felix. There's your Olympics coverage right now. There's also an amazing modern pentathlon story. Google that one. That's happening as well. But we will get to the news of the day. In about 10 minutes, listen, I normally say don't worry about preseason unless one of your guys gets hurt. What I saw from the Cowboys last night was potentially incredibly concerning. And what I heard from Troy Akeman on the

broadcast and Dak Prescott on the broadcast was maybe even more concerning. We'll do that in about 10 minutes. We got Broussard joining us in an hour. But we have to start with my pal, Charles Barkley, joining my former mentor, Bob Costas, on Costas's new show talking about LeBron. Now, full disclosure here, again, I really, really like both of the people involved in this interview, even though I hate what you're about to hear. And full disclosure, I once upon a time, at a Cleveland hotel around one in the morning, got into a very friendly but very loud argument with Charles about this very topic. So I bring with it some baggage. But Costas did exactly what he should do. He asked Charles about the NBA question that will never go away, LeBron or Michael,

and here is what Charles had to say. The reason I get joy in the edge, and I'm never going to say in a, actually, in fairness, I haven't even put LeBron past Kobe. Let's get that out the way. I want to be fair. All right. The reason I put Michael up there before those other guys, LeBron has stacked his teams. Let's be realistic.

As Kevin Durant did and others have done. Does that less than their legacy? Yes. Russell Westbrook now on his way, it's a trade, but on his way to the Lakers? So I do. Like, what Yonis and Dirknovsky guys like that, especially Janus is the perfect example,

to go through the grind and to lose, which Michael did. When I was watching that documentary, I was like, damn, I forgot how bad the piss and beat him up. But what he, going through that struggle, that's what separates sports. Like, winning all the time. Like, we all want to win. But the struggle is part of your legacy. The struggle is part of your legacy.

There's no doubt about it. The problem for Charles and folks that make that argument is they don't finish the thought. So the argument there is, oh, LeBron didn't go through the struggle. The hell do you call seven years where the best teammate you ever play with is Mo Williams, where the second best teammate you have is Zedrunas Elgousis. The third is Larry Hughes. The fourth is maybe Ricky Davis or a year of Carlos Boozer.

And those guys didn't overlap. It's not like you had those for that monster force them together. No, that was over seven years in Cleveland where LeBron James gave the city, basically his hometown, his organization, time and outstanding play. Brought him to the finals in year four at age 22, gave them every opportunity to build around him, and they said, how does Mo Williams,

Booby Gibson and a 400 pound Shaquille O'Neal do for you? And the answer was, it's not enough. And when Charles, Charles is such an interesting messenger on this. And again,

I know Charles, I like Charles, but I don't know why he keeps pounding his head into this rock, because his story is one of The moment there was the struggle, he bounced. And again, this isn't me being unfair,

but this is me letting the younger audience know exactly what Charles' career was. In 1983, the Philadelphia 76ers not only won the title, you could argue it was the greatest team ever. Two years later, they draft Charles Barkley, really a year and a half later, they draft Charles Barkley. They still have Dr. Jay, who is a league MVP, Moses Malone, who was a top five player in the league,

Andrew Tony, who was one of the most historically underrated players ever, and Mo Cheeks was a Hall of Famer. That's the team Charles got drafted into. His first year there, they damn near make the finals. They make the Eastern Conference finals. And then, as a few years later, they trade Moses, and Dr. Jay retires, and the team gets a little worse and a little worse, and a little worse, until in 92, they missed the playoffs entirely.

So what does Charles do? Bales, trade me, get me out of here. And does he go to a team where he's going to build it up? No. Goes to Phoenix that had won 50 games four years in a row. And Charles, because he's a all-time great player, nearly got Phoenix over the top. Got him to the finals, won a league MVP, had the best year of his. career, they lose in six to the Bulls. And then over the next three years, twice, they lose to Houston

and a heartbreaking seven game series. And what does Charles do? Bales! Not only Bales, says, send me to Houston. You can Google the New York Times article. He wasn't bashful about it back in 96 when it happened. So Charles was drafted into a perfect situation, didn't win, and as it became a bad situation, bailed. And when he says, I don't want to do the LeBron Kobe thing. But, because listen, we know if you're going to be

objective, it's not only that LeBron has more finals MVP's, 4-1 regular season MVP's. It's that LeBron is better at everything than Kobe was. Ah, Nick, Kobe's a better score. Well, LeBron averages more points. Oh, Nick, Kobe's a better shooter. Well, LeBron has a better

field goal percentage from three and from two. We know he's a better passer. know he's a better rebounder, we know he's a better defender, but set that aside. When you set just the story, the arc of Kobe, who Charles said and Charles in the bar in Cleveland three years ago when he and I argued about this made the exact same argument. How do you have him above Kobe? Okay, well, I love Kobe, and he's obviously legendary, and one of the most influential players ever. Kobe also was drafted to a team with Shaquille O'Neal

and very early in his career got Phil Jackson that's not a struggle if the if part of the beauty is the struggle there's not a struggle when you're drafted to be a Shaq's wingman and by the way again history matters

Shaq leaves the Lakers missed the playoffs then they lose in round one blowing a three one lead. Then they lose in round one again. And what does Kobe do when the struggle hits him? Goes on Stephen A. Smith's radio show and says trade me. I'm getting out of here. And that trade damn near happened till Dr. Bus came in and stopped it. Then the Lakers get Pau Gasol. Not so much of a struggle anymore. And Kobe finishes his whole career there. So what are we talking about? The Tim Duncan archetype where you are drafted to a team with a league

MVP and David Robinson, who's at the tail end of his prime, the Magic Johnson archetype, where you're drafted to a team with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or the Kreme archetype, where, hey, you got Oscar Robertson. Now, he's not prime Oscar Robertson, but you got Oscar Robertson. So what are we talking about? Janus? Now, there is almost no one in the country that was higher on the bucks this year than me, higher on Janus throughout this playoff run.

I think he's the best player alive taking that crown from LeBron. And what Yonis is, this is one of the most important, impressive title runs ever. With that said, LeBron would have killed to have Drew Holiday, let alone Chris Middleton. He didn't have that. He had Sasha Pavlovich and old Drew Gooden. There is no comp. in NBA history for a guy who had what LeBron had for seven years, did more with it than him and won a title, give me a break.

That Cavs team, his final two years there, average 64 wins. The four years after he left, averaged 24 wins, despite having the number one pick three of those four years. Oh, he stacks his teams. Why, by going back to Cleveland, and teaming up with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love, two guys who had a combined zero playoff appearances. Oh, he stacks his team by going to the Lakers,

who hadn't made the playoffs in six years, by trading away at the time, traded too much, a whole young core. For Anthony Davis, who had won one playoff series, it's just not the accurate history. and if we are going to do this with LeBron where we are going to play the why didn't he do what Michael did game and by the way Michael and again people know this at this point

but it's worth reiterating Michael never beat Bird Celtics never and Michael got his teeth kicked in not by or by Isaiah's Pistons three years in a row And it wasn't so much that the Bulls got a lot better that fourth year as much as it was. The Pistons aged out of it. After the Pistons had been to three straight finals, after the Pistons had been in the conference finals seemingly for half a decade, they got old.

And also though, and I think people know this, Michael, it's not only that he didn't win a playoff series, he won one playoff game before Scotty got there. You think if they don't draft Scotty and they don't then hire Phil? Michael's just like, nope, Chicago Bowl for life. Why would he? His draft mate Charles Barkley bailed on Philly when things got bad. But if we're going to do the compare and contrast LeBron to Michael, then we've got to do it in the reverse as well.

Three greatest players ever. We can all argue about the order, but if you have a brain and you care it all about the history of the game, you know the three greatest players ever. order are Kareem, Michael, and LeBron. Well, Kareem, you know, did have four years of John Wooden and then Oscar Robertson and then Magic Johnson and Pat Riley. Michael did have three years of Dean Smith with James Worthy alongside him and then Phil Jackson. LeBron, meanwhile, had a literal math teacher, high school basketball coach,

then Paul Silas, Mike Brown, Sasha Pavlovich, Ira Neubel, Zedrunas Ilgouskowskis, Moe Williams, who was pretty good for a couple years. Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden. That's who he had. And David Blatt and took them to the finals. and Spoh, who we now knows a great coach, but had done nothing, and won titles. And Frank Vogel, who now everybody loves,

but at the time, failed in Orlando, was on his third and final chance. So if we're going to do it one way, we've got to do it the other way. And I'd say Charles knows better, but on this one, he doesn't. But all he has to do is look to his own career arc. The struggle wasn't the greatness.

The struggle was the time to bail. And so you want to make the argument, LeBron should have stuck it out in Cleveland. I hope you feel the same way about Dane. Dame? Never leave Portland. By the way, LeBron would have killed for a C.J. McCullum. Probably would have won a title with a C.J. McCullum. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that IZE, you figure it out real quick.

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Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas. Their practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's start with Terry Bradshaw asking Dak about his somewhat confusing and a little opaque shoulder injury and his timeline. How long do you think you'll be able to get in the action and find yourself comfortable? And number two, I don't understand where the injury was in your shoulder. When I heard it, I thought it would be the rotator side.

But it's my understanding. it's actually underneath the shoulder. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. But as far as my ankle, I mean, I've done so much rehab. I've worked continuous, a lot of hours just to get myself back. And I'm very confident in it. So I don't think it'll take any time before.

I'm just back out there. I mean, the practices that I've had, I didn't think about my ankle. I was just being a part of the offense, being a part of all of it. So now it's just about getting the shoulder behind me. And when we're just being, we're being cautious. We're taking it day by day. obviously it's five weeks before season opener. So I've got a lot of time, and I'm going to use that time

and get myself ready for that game. So the shoulder injury is a little concerning, and Jay Glazer reported, and by the way, we'll talk about this at the top of the 1 o'clock Eastern hour. Jay Glazer dropped a bomb about Aaron Rogers and the Packers, like mid-sentence and then quickly moved on. I think it's a huge story. We'll do that in about 35 minutes.

But Jay Glazer reported in the midst of all that, that the Cowboys are so, I don't, maybe perplexed with Dax injury that they consulted the Texas Rangers, not the police, but the baseball team, because it's potentially more of a baseball injury. And if you heard that sound bite from Dack, there's a lot of interesting things there. One is he seems much more comfortable talking about his ankle than about his shoulder when the question was primarily about the shoulder from Terry. And the other is he said, I'm going to take a day. by day and then said, I have five weeks. Well, kind of. You have five weeks until week one,

but I don't think you want your first live action to be against that Tampa Front 7 in a game that counts when the last time you got hit, you suffered a devastating injury and the only real injury of your adult football life when he got his ankle shattered. So all, All of that was moderately concerning to me. And then you have Troy Aikman, who Troy doesn't, you know, throw out reckless speculation about any team. But if there's anything Troy is plugged in on, it's the Cowboys. And if there's anything on the Cowboys Troy is plugged in on, it's the Cowboys quarterback

situation. And here's what Troy said mid-second quarter. Yeah, the Cowboys are downplaying it, but I think when your franchise quarterback's missing the amount of time that he's missing, I tend to. I think it's probably a little bit more significant than what they have led on. And, you know, big year for a lot of people. Yeah, big year for a lot of people. And I think Troy's on to something there, which then leads you to the game last night.

And the game last night, Big Ben didn't play, Dack didn't play. And the three best quarterbacks I saw were in no particular order, Josh Dobbs, Dwayne Haskins, and Mason Rudolph. And what all three of those guys have in common is none of them play for the Cowboys. The Cowboys three quarterbacks they played last night were Garrett Gilbert, Ben Danucci, and Cooper Rush. And not a single one of those guys looks ready. Forget being a starting quarterback.

Looks ready to be a backup quarterback. The Steelers are going to cut one of those three. quarterbacks that I just mentioned, all of them I would have more confidence in than any of the Cowboys backups, which does beg the question, when you're starting quarterback, who you just invested $160 million into, is coming off a devastating injury, and the timeline was always going to be a little fuzzy. Why did the Cowboys let themselves go into this season with this being their backup quarterback situation. Just take my team.

And the argument might be well, if Dad gets hurt, we're screwed anyway. Take my team, the Chiefs. If there's any team that's quarterback reliant, it's the Chiefs. Yet, what have we seen each of the last two years? They've had a backup quarterback come in in a massive spot and deliver them a victory. Last year it was in the playoffs, Chad Hennie, the Hennie thing is possible play against the Browns to ice the game.

Without that, without Hennie's play once Mahomes went out in that playoff game, the Chiefs don't make the Super Bowl. The year before, and this gets forgotten, when Mahomes got injured and it looked like he was going to be out potentially months and ended up just being out a few weeks, Matt Moore stepped in and beat a playoff. team, beat the Minnesota Vikings. Without that victory, the chiefs

don't have home field, they don't have a buy, they probably don't make and then win the Super Bowl. A couple years prior to that, obviously, everyone knows. Nick Foles steps in for wince. They win the Super Bowl. And I'm not saying you have to go spend the type of money the Browns did on your

backup quarterback and get Case Keenham. But you look around the league and there's 25 teams, that if their quarterback misses a game, they're like, okay, we're live. We've got Jacoby Brissette. We've got Tyrod Taylor. We've got someone that we feel comfortable step.

We got Teddy Bridgewater. We've got Nick Foles' third string for the Bears. Hell, the Cowboys, at this point, it feels like, would love to have Andy Dalton back. and it just seems a little irresponsible when your quarterback is coming off the only injuries ever suffered. Fluky things happen like you don't warm up properly

as DAC said happened and you strain your shoulder. Your season starts with two very difficult road games at the Bucks and then at the Chargers to have your backup quarterback situation be Garrett Gilbert who you weren't thrilled when he was playing quarterback. If you were a University of Texas fan,

much less a Dallas Cowboys fan, Ben Danucci, or Cooper Rush. There is, you know, $5 million can be worse spent than having a guy who if he has to step in for a week or two, you're not drawing debt. And this Cowboys team, as good as Zeke potentially can be, they are an offense, offense, throw the ball, throw the ball team.

The defense you hope for mediocrity and you hope they score a bunch of points. And what I saw last night from their backup quarterbacks and what I heard from Troy and then heard from DAC concerns me greatly about is Dak going to be ready for week one? And if he's

not, do they have any chance of competing against any of the 31 other teams, much less the defending Super Bowl champion Box. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines,

accurate stats to help you win big at the sports book, and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game.

His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenge. of the playoffs. I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running the court licking his fingers,

why he got the bar, like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're gonna get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, everyone, it's Ryder Strong, and Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. And now the PodMeets Twirled podcast. We're two men who were completely clueless to reality TV, who now have covered Dancing with the Stars, traitors, and we're gearing up for the season finale of Survivor. So, yeah, now we're experts. I know we annoyed a lot of our listeners,

by our severe lack of survivor knowledge. That is the point of the show. I'm just going to remind you. I have watched some Survivor. I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Yeah. Just because we...

Yeah. We'll be recapping the big conclusion in the 50th season from the final attempts at gameplay to the desperate pleas of finalists to a bunch of... Ha, ooh. Ha ha, ooh.

Again, we are experts. So make sure to tune in a pod meets twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to Podmeets Twirl on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Agency, the ability to know that we're the experts in our own body. On the podcast, cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share

room with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing. I'm standing and handing my children food. Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas. They're practices. And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

A little breaking news. I don't know if we have a breaking news sounder. Oh, we do. How about that? Six-year contract extension for one Josh Allen. The man who was, you know, the cause of me having to have ketchup and mustard squirted all over my face because of a stupid bet I made with Colin Cowherd, gets a six-year extension.

Now, this is news, but it's not surprising. He was always going to get the extension. Maybe the length is a little surprising. Six years long contract. We've seen a lot of these quarterback contracts end up being four or five years, but the details are still trickling in. I just heard in my ear it's $258 million.

That's a lot of money. So 258, let's see if I can do this on the fly, 258 divided by 6, $43 million a year. That's pretty good. Said $150 million guaranteed for Josh Allen. Now, he was excellent last year. You know, I've been a doubter on some of his decision making,

but there is no denying that he showed massive growth from year two to year three and showed growth from year one to year two. because year one, he looked like he was totally out of his depth. What to me is almost as interesting as Josh Allen getting this contract is what it means for the other two quarterbacks in his draft class that are going to, we would think, get contracts. And that's Lamar and Baker.

I don't think, in fact, I know it is almost impossible to argue that Baker should get more than Josh Allen. Baker's going to come in less, but man, oh man, $43 million a year. So I would be a little squeamish, and I'm a huge Baker guy. $150 million guaranteed is what Josh Allen again reportedly got. Let me give credit.

Chris Mortensen is the one who first reported the contract, so credit to him. Baker, if he gets an extension, and I imagine he will, it will come in south of that. But I wonder if Lamar makes the argument, why would I not get equal or greater than Josh Allen? I've won a league MVP. He hasn't.

I've been in the playoffs every year. He's been in the playoffs one year. He's had one great season. I've had arguably two and a half great seasons. and Lamar got the playoff game monkey off his back this past postseason. And so I'm always when it comes to, like my brain is split on this. Well, I guess my brain is not split. My heart always says pay the guys.

I'm here to watch the players. I want the players to make a ton of money. My head says on the quarterbacks, unless you have a surefire, no doubt, sure thing, I'd wait a little bit if I can to pay the guys. And now that can end up biting you, like some would argue a bit the Cowboys. They had to pay DAC top, top, top of the market because they waited. But with Lamar and Baker, or would have been with Josh Allen, you've got them in a very beneficial situation for the team.

They're on four-year contracts that because of them, their first round picks are really five-year contracts, and then the ability to franchise tag them twice if you wanted to. So those guys, Josh Baker and Lamar, have all played three years. They could take them your four, five, six, and seven, four more years before having to give them a contract. The fact that this goes through 2022, 2028 tells me, so it is a six-year extension, a new contract. So the two, if we're really, I don't want to get too into the weeds on it, and I'm trying to do this off the top of my head.

But it's really an eight-year deal. You tack on the money he was going to make in your four and five already, folded into it, and it becomes a more reasonable number than the $43 million a year. But $150 million guaranteed is a hell of a deal. And I got to imagine Lamar Jackson is now saying, I guess my deal starts at six years, 259, and 151 million guaranteed. Baker's got to come in a little under that, I would imagine. But Bill's fans, I know you're thrilled.

Bill's fans, I know there's no one you would rather have, deliver the news to you that you got your quarterback signed, than your guy, Nick Wright, well-known Josh Allen supporter. It is hard for me to say they shouldn't have done this deal. because every team in the league coming off the year, Josh Allen just had, after being a top-ton draft pick, would have done this deal.

Am I comfortable paying Josh Allen like he's one of the five best quarterbacks in football? Absolutely not. Do I understand why the bills did it? Sure. Do I think this contract potentially could be something they regret? Yes. But I also understand every team in the league would do it.

Well, almost every team. Some teams in the league have a guy like, you know, Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rogers, so they'd be very sad if they had Josh Allen. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

You know, I was doing what I normally do this week. Do my show, crush the Peloton, eat some lunch, turn on the herd. And I'm just minding my own business, watching the herd. And all of a sudden, I hear this is fleeting, but utter and total nonsense from my dear friend, colleague, mentor, brother, Colin Cowherd. Play it, please.

There will be discussions this year. Oh, there will be discussions. Patrick Mahom should already be a Hall of Famer. Oh, boy. He's 161st in passing yards, 121st in passing touchdowns, 113 in wins. He's not a hundred and six first. Hall of Famer yet. He's just really talented. No, Colin, you're wrong. And I understand, yes, he is not going to be in the top 100 in counting stats because of how few games he has played. But how well has he played in those few games? Can we show where he ranks in NFL history through 54 games?

Oh, it's the most wins, it's the most passing yards, it's the most touchdowns, it's the second fewest interceptions, and it's the highest passer rating. And by the way, If you remove first 54 starts, who has the highest pass rating in NFL history? Patrick Mahomes. Who has the best touchdown interceptor ratio in NFL history? Patrick Mahomes. Who is the best winning percentage for any quarterback with at least 50 starts? Patrick Mahomes.

But it's not just that. Have you won an NFL MVP and a Super Bowl? Show me the list of guys who have, and let's see how. How many of them are Hall of Famers? Oh, wait. All of them, except for the three guys who are not yet eligible for it. Brady, Rogers, Mahomes. If you win a league MVP and you win a Super Bowl MVP, you make the Hall of Fame.

Terrell Davis would be the running back comp for Mahomes. He's there. Terrell Davis was really only great for three years. and that was great enough to make the Hall of Fame. All right, what about quarterbacks judge a little differently? What about a quarterback who has won a league MVP, and forget Super Bowl MVP, just won a Super Bowl? Oh, wait, all of them, except for Joe Thaisman, are in the Hall of Fame,

up to an including Kin Stabler. Kurt Warner, who again, very similar to Mahomes. Now, Warner had three exceptional years with the Rams and then one great year with the Cardinals, another very good year with the Cardinals, another very good year with the Rams. But Warner would be the comp here. He's in the Hall of Fame. Thankfully for me and my sanity and my gambling pocketbook and my sports fandom, Patrick Mahomes is not going to retire this year.

but if Patrick Mahomes retired today, he's a Hall of Famer. There is something to be said for, is there a period of time where, let me say it like this. If you can answer yes to both of these questions, you're a Hall of Famer in any sport. Was there a period of time where you were the absolute unresolved, unquestioned, best in the world at your job, and did you produce at that level in the biggest moments, meaning postseason? If you can answer yes to both of those questions, you are a Hall of Famer in any sport. So, I don't know what the baseball comp, Mookie Betts, Hall of Famer already. produced in the postseason

in the World Series was one league MVP's Hall of Famer Don't care if he plays again I will take that like anyone right now that would argue that Jason Whitten

has a better Hall of Fame case than Patrick Mahomes you just consume sports differently than me if you'd rather the guy who never spent a single day of his career as the unquestioned best in the world at his position,

but instead was in the top eight for 12 years at his position, rather than a guy who lit the world on fire for three years, won a Super Bowl, made another, won an AFC championship game, or made an AFC championship game, I should say, then you just, you value different things than me. I will always take the flame that burns incredibly bright for a short period of time over the dull flame that never goes out. Now, for Mahomes, he's going to have the best of both worlds, I would imagine. I think he's going to play for a very long time and be awesome for a very long time.

But Aaron Rogers was a Hall of Famer, in my opinion, almost a dead. decade ago. Once he won the league MVP and went 15 and 1 to go along with the Super Bowl he had just won, that's all he had to do. Mahomes has done all that already. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeart Radio app. There is some legitimate on this Friday afternoon breaking NFL news via a Josh Allen contract extension. Who better to break that down and discuss that with us than one of our best NFL analysts on the Cowherg Global Network. My friend, Bucky Brooks, always good to talk to the son, the fellow son of a firefighter.

Bucky, let's start with the news. Six years, 258 million. Now, the devil's always in the details on these things, but the details seem pretty damn good. Reportedly, 150 million guaranteed, 100 million fully guaranteed for Josh Allen. your immediate reaction when you heard about the contract and the details? Oh, the $40 million club has gotten bigger because Josh Allen will go in. So that means Lamar Jackson is the next one to go in. And we were waiting to see which of the young guys was going to sign their deal first

and how much they were going to get because it set the market. So now we have Josh Allen done. And I think that comes in around $43 million annually on that extension. And then you have 100 fully guaranteed $150. End guarantees. Lamar Jackson is going to have to get north of that because when you look at the resume, his resume is going to say, hey, I'm an MVP. You look at the things that we've done going to the playoffs three straight years when I've been the starter. The record that the Baltimore Ravens has when he has been the starting quarterback, we can talk about stylistically. Lamar Jackson maybe doesn't deserve to be in the $40 million club.

But if I'm Lamar Jackson, I look at Josh Allen and says if he gets it, I definitely got to get it because when we look at the details, like you said with Josh Allen, last year was the first year that he's ever averaged over 200 passing yards per game. And if we're going to talk about Lamar Jackson being a runner more than the thrower, I think the comparison with Josh Allen serves him well when it comes to that negotiation. Well, so let's stay there because it is, it's very difficult to make the argument that Josh Allen has accomplished more than Lamar in this league. And some people will be like, well, but, you know, Josh was spectacular last year. He was. But he didn't win a league MVP.

Lamar's done that. Lamar now has also won a playoff game. Now, granted, Josh Allen won two playoff games this year. But Lamar, you can't saddle him with the can't win a playoff game after the first two seasons when he played poorly in the postseason. So I agree with you that this is kind of sets. The floor seems too harsh. Like that Lamar's got to say, you've got to give me at least that. So I guess that is the floor.

I'm not saying he would ask for well more than that. But from the Ravens perspective, when the Ravens saw this deal, do you think they were happy, sad, or neutral? Like when they saw what Josh Allen got, how do you think they reacted? Well, obviously, I think they would want to be first to the table because then they don't have to necessarily compete against a deal that is already done. Here's the thing, though. The deal is now for the young quarterback, I would say,

Shown and Lamar Jackson, it had to come in somewhere between 40 and 45 million annually. Patrick Mahomes and Dak Prescott, Deshaun Watson, it had to be in that range. And so you're the Baltimore Ravens. You had to know, look, this is the cost of doing business. The trick will be, if I'm the Baltimore Ravens, can I do a shorter deal and fully guarantee it? So if I do have some doubts about Lamar Jackson, it's not necessarily a long, a long marriage between the two if we don't believe he can progress as a passer. But maybe we go, I don't know, three years guarantee, what, 91, 135 period?

Yeah, something like that. 135 million guarantee that. And then away we go. And we live with that on a three year, 135 million fully guaranteed deal. Because I think you're going to have to do something like that to get them to sign a short-term deal. So let's stay on this just for one more question because we've mentioned Josh Allen, we've mentioned Lamar, there's another quarterback in that draft class who happened to be the number one pick of that draft class who is also coming off the best year of his career,

who also won a playoff game. And that's Baker Mayfield. Now, I think most people expect, at least I do, that Baker of the three, if they were all get deals, Bakers would be the least per year because he hasn't played at the level. level that Josh did last year or that Lamar has over the last three years. Do you think that is how big, like, do you think with this coming in at 43, Baker's people will accept not being in the $40 million a year club? Do you think they should?

Do you think a deal gets done between Baker and the Browns? Here's the thing. I think Baker should probably follow the path of Dak Prescott. Because what we've seen, time allows the price tag to continue to go up. It doesn't come back down. And so it's going to be hard for Baker. representatives in my mind to negotiate with the Cleveland Browns

and say, hey, Baker Mayfield deserves to be in the same range as Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson because his individual accomplishments don't match up to the accomplishments of those guys. His best bet is to go back to Cleveland this year lead Cleveland to a deep postseason run and then he is able to say like,

hey, we talk about winning is the most important thing when it comes to quarterbacks. I have done it at a high level. I need to be rewarded for the team. success because look at what it looked like prior to me and now look at how the team is trending with me as the quarterback. All right. Speaking of quarterbacks, I want to spend just a moment on last night's preseason game.

Six quarterbacks played. Obviously, Dak and Ben didn't play. I thought the three best quarterbacks all played for the Steelers. Josh Dobbs, I thought, looked fine. I've always liked Josh Dobbs. Maybe I'm partial. Mason Rudolph and Dwayne Haskins. Meanwhile, the Cowboys, if I'm a Cowboys fan and Dak's coming off that,

ankle injury, and now he's dealing with a kind of bizarre, like under the shoulder injury. We don't really know what it is. I'm not only anxious, I'm a little annoyed that I'm going into this season with a third or fourth string quarterback as my backup quarterback, whichever one it is, whether it's Danucci, Rush, or Gilbert. What do you make of the Cowboys seemingly bypassing backup quarterback on the run? this year? See, here's the thing.

Here's what happens. When you pay the quarterback, it makes it harder for you to pay the backup quarterback because now you have so much money tied into the position. Dak Prescott getting $40 million to get a solid veteran quarterback. You're talking about $5 to $7 million. Man, now we're tying up $45, almost $50 million just in the quarterback room on the salary cap. What you hope that you're able to do is maybe I can find a young, cheap option,

someone who can get us through a couple games if that was to, undergoing injury. But when you watch them play, who do you feel good about being able to do that? The only person that I can see me in the backup is maybe Gilbert. The rest of the guys, Danucci and Rush, I just don't see those guys as having the long-term staying power to be a legitimate, confident QB2 for this team.

Yeah, I think I'd sign whichever one of the three Steelers quarterback gets cut. Steelers aren't going to keep four. One of those guys getting cut. I think I'd sign that one. All right. So I want to go to, if we can, for a moment, two New York head coaches, very different approaches, right? Robert Sala came out and basically, Coach Manjini called it, he was at a very zen-like approach. He was, you know, he's like, hey, we're all men.

We all, you know, we want them to understand why they make a mistake if they do it. And then you have Joe Judge. Lap it up, boys. knuckle push-ups yelling at it yelling at folks as a guy who played in this league is a guy who's been around a bunch of teams

and been a scout does that lap it up stuff play a with grown men but B and I think more importantly when you as a head coach don't have your bona fides

Joe Judge it's one thing if you got a handful of Super Bowl rings but when you're trying to do the Parcells method kind of without the Parcell's cachet. How do you think that plays with his team? You know, it's interesting because I think both approaches can work in the right situation. I think for Robert Salas' approach to work, he has to have a very mature team.

And Tom will tell if the Jets are mature enough to handle that kind of coaching. For Joe Judge, I think this can work in New York because when you look at the most successful coaches in New York, they've kind of subscribed to that style. tough, hard nose, grizzled, very confrontational, but their players in turn respond because they feel like that's the authenticity or that's the authentic coaching style, that's the authentic personality of the coach.

The thing that I'll say about Joe Judge, as long as Joe Judge is consistent, it can work. If he's been like that from day one and there's been no change in how he goes about and how he interacts with the team, it can work. if he also balances those hard-nosed tactics with loving his team up behind the scenes, really building relationships to get to know them. Because if you get to know them, then you can coach them hard.

So if Joe Judge works on that part of it where he's communicating with them and really asking them about themselves beyond what they can bring to the table as football players, he absolutely can coach the team in their style. but it's about really developing a bond that allows his players to know, hey, I can trust him because what he wants for me is for me to be the best version of myself, even though he may communicate it in a harsher fashion than I may like. Bucky Brooks, one of our best. Thank you so much, Bucky.

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