The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/10/2021 - HOUR 3 - Simmons, money

Episode Date: August 10, 2021

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Starting point is 00:02:30 Live. Show's called The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. You know, Joy, yesterday, I got into it, I went, hung out with some friends, and I was talking to my friend, and he's in the movie. Not a famous person, but he's one of my friends that's been in L.A. forever, and a lot of, knows a lot about TV and movies and all that stuff, and he's been in that business. And I asked him, I said, how much Olympics have you watched? And he said, zero.
Starting point is 00:03:04 And I'm like, wow. And I didn't watch much. And, you know, everybody these days wants to make everything political. And it doesn't have anything to do with politics for either of us. I'll just, and it's not political. What's political about the Olympics? Oh, I mean, Megan Rapino. And it's just like, oh, folks, that's not why people aren't watching.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Number one, if you look at the Olympics that have really popped in the last 20 years, Sydney, Australia and Barcelona. why? Because the cities are beautiful. And you're watching it. It's like National Geographic, the magazine when I was a kid, you know, the magazine. Yeah, you're seeing it. I think, I feel like Rio got a lot of buzz. Yeah. They're beautiful cities visually. Yeah. Like you, I mean, I remember, I remember the Barcelona Olympics. It was literally the sunsets at night and the divers and the sunsets. It was so visually stimulating. Well, what is television? You watch it. So Tokyo, I, I, the Olympics I watched, we never saw the city. They didn't talk about it.
Starting point is 00:03:57 aesthetically, it just wasn't as appealing. Well, also, with COVID, there were no fans. So there was no, you didn't feel that energy and juice that you usually feel for, I mean, track, the stadium is usually filled. And it's a prime example. So the ratings were terrible. But remember, we watch football because we love football.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Fans make it better. Right. But I still watch the games. We watched the Olympics because of the pageantry and the juice. It didn't have any. urgency. And also the times were impossible to know when everything was going on. So I don't think the Olympics are dead. I don't think it's nearly as good a business as the World Cup going forward for a lot of different reasons. But I mean, the reality with the Olympics
Starting point is 00:04:41 is when you're off different time zones, there's no fans. You really have to, you know, promote the Sydney and Rio and certain cities are just, there's a sex appeal to Rio. There's a sex appeal to Sydney. And I can remember watching those Olympics, and it was like, am I watching for the sports? Or am I watching? Yeah, you feel like you're experiencing something else. There's no question. And so when I watch stuff, they really didn't show the city much. The arenas didn't have any juice.
Starting point is 00:05:11 It's nothing against NBC. It's not about politics. They still made a billion dollars. Oh, did they? Yes. A billion. So NBC made a billion. I believe they, I don't, I'm almost positive.
Starting point is 00:05:22 I read that this morning. It was like a billion dollars that they built in. They did fine. They did fine, yeah. I mean, look, I don't know, I didn't even see anything about it being political. I didn't, what's political about the Olympics? Why didn't you watch it? I did watch what I could when I knew what stuff was on when I was awake.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Did you feel emotionally as connected to Tokyo, say, Rio or Barcelona? No, no. I didn't either. No, but it was also, the times were impossible to keep track of, like, the events that I was watching. I was also in Italy last week, so, like, there was bad as well. But even when I was here, like, the games I was planning on watching women's basketball and men's basketball. Like, I made it a point to do it. but I am not a casual fan.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Right. So, yes. Also, can people just stop overreacting to TV ratings? Please. You guys don't understand TV ratings. Stop it. Yeah. It's a very complicated business.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Networks play millions of dollars to break it down. Like, just calm down. It's, they're going to be fine. Yes, they are. By the way, quarterbacks now making a lot of money. We're going to pay, we're going to play. Pay or play. What young quarterbacks would I pay?
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Starting point is 00:11:06 Luca Dantage. First of all, he got paid. He got his money. You know, deserves every penny of it. Good Lord, he took Slovenia, made him viable in the Olympics. Your takeaway on the extension, anything beyond the obvious. Just that, obviously, it's a no-brainer to re-up him.
Starting point is 00:11:23 to build around him. But there seems to be this push to make him the face of the league and the superstar, the next superstar as quickly as we can. It began last year already, beginning of the year, came into the season as the favorite to be the MVP. And the reality is, yeah, he has the game and the personality and the skill set to potentially fill that role at some point. But he has to have the team as well. And Dallas Maver. are not there yet as far as a team that he's capable of taking anywhere significant. It runs to be a little bit of when LeBron was in Cleveland. Yes. Had the game, had obviously the leadership and everything that you would want from the individual.
Starting point is 00:12:13 But until the Cleveland Cavaliers were capable of getting to the finals, it wasn't going to happen. So it's one of those things that I think it just has to happen organically. And now you have a brand new GM and Nico Harrison, who I expect will do well, but doesn't have a championship pedigree, doesn't have a GM pedigree. They still have a lot of work to do before they build the car that Luca is capable of driving to being the face of the entire NBA. All right, let's talk Lakers here. We got Carmelo talking. We're getting the band together and Westbrooks talking today. And, you know, I put up a graphic earlier that was funny. I thought it was funny. We went back to LeBron James' first game as a Laker, and we looked at the entire Laker organization.
Starting point is 00:13:02 Rondo, Ingram, McGee, Kuzma, Hart, KCP Ball, Lance Stevenson, Beasley. They're all gone. Luke Walton, the coach, is gone. Magic Johnson, who recruited him in the wee hours of the morning is gone. And I said, it's the reality with LeBron is the future means nothing, the present means everything. and I look at Pat Riley got very uncomfortable with that that it's just all now and nothing matters. Do you think, I think they got too old.
Starting point is 00:13:31 I think right now there are two. There's a difference between veterans and antiques. What do you make of the current roster? I agree with you. And this is what LeBron does. He cannibalizes every franchise that he goes to. And franchises are willing to do it because let's face it, his track record of if you do what I need you to do, I can win you a championship. I mean,
Starting point is 00:13:56 he's, he's come through. So it's hard to argue with that. But what you're left with in the aftermath, you better be ready for that as well. And that's where they are. This is what I was having a conversation with an agent yesterday about this, the new dynamic in the league, which is, it used to be the GMs and agents would create teams. They would put place players in various places and construct rosters. And now it's players who do it. It's conversations with players that lead that. And that's where it's initiated.
Starting point is 00:14:37 And then the player that wants to go someplace goes to his agent and says, get me there. And the player or the star on a particular team that's looking to add somebody goes to the gym and says, get that guy. that's what LeBron is doing as he has done before, but he's doing it with his group. Like he's doing it with his generation. And these are the guys that still look at that and say, oh, LeBron wants me to play with him. I'm willing to go there and play with him.
Starting point is 00:15:08 The other element here that is so distinctive is in the past, whenever I've asked GMs or scouts or executives around the league, what do you think about what has been concocted around LeBron? Their general response was he'll figure it out. Right, right. I'm not hearing that, I'm not hearing that this time around. Yeah. I think what is missed is LeBron just isn't the same guy. Right. So he needs somebody to take over. The expectation was that Anthony Davis was going to do that last year. That's the perfect time for him to succeed. LeBron in the same way LeBron succeeded Dwayne Wade in Miami. For whatever reason, AD chose not to accept that mantle or to take those reins. And now, if you're asking him to do it with personalities like Carmelo Anthony and Russ Westbrook, good luck. The time was last year to make that transition,
Starting point is 00:16:11 largely because LeBron James, it's not an insult in anyway. He's going to be 37 years. old. I mean, at some point, you can't be the guy that leads the parade. And what we're seeing is he needs that help. And if this was a group, you know, people are making comparison, ages and whatnot, it's not just age. It's age and the fact that they've never played together before. That's right. So can you put this all together in one year? That's going to be very challenging. Finally, it's interesting. So generally if stuff leaks, a team will leak information because it's good for the team or they'll test the media and see what the fans think of stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:54 When I used to live out in Connecticut, New York Sports Radio, you could tell the match or the Jets would leak something to the media just to see the reaction how it would play. You could clearly see the little brother, the big brother of the Yankees Giants didn't care, but the little brother did that all the time to curry some media favor and fan favor. So a story leaked out about Ben Simmons
Starting point is 00:17:14 that basically he's cut off communication with the Sixers. And Darryl Morey doesn't want that because now the Sixers are like, they got to get rid of him. This kid is done. And I saw that story. I'm like, that's not good for Philadelphia, Doc Rivers. That's not good for them. Where do we stand? And by the way, Mori wants a lottery pick.
Starting point is 00:17:36 He wants an All-Star. It's like, well, good luck getting it now. We watch the playoff disaster. What is your prediction today? If I said, Rick, you know they're going to move him. What are they going to get for him? What are they going to get for? Oh, I would expect that they will get a young player or two and potentially a pick.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Now, the difficulty is that's not where Philadelphia is. They're in go for it now. That's right. They want a legitimate star that they're capable of getting. I don't see a deal to be made for a star. that is going to get him there. I mean, they're saying we wouldn't want C.J. McCollum, we'd want Damien Lillard. Honestly, I don't know that the Trailblazers would trade either one of those guys for Ben Simmons.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Ben Simmons is looked at as a great talent, but you're going to have to send him. My expectation is you're either going to have to take pennies on the dollar, or you're going to have to send him to a rebuilding team that says, you know what, we can find some magic in him, speaking of. Markell Fultz. I mean, Orlando has been the place where they send all of their, all the Philadelphia guys who haven't worked out. But it's going to more than likely be a team like that and you're going to try to accept it as a, you're getting a star in the making back as opposed to a bona fide guy. There's no way that they can bring him into training camp.
Starting point is 00:19:06 And I understand why it hasn't happened yet because ideally it was, wasn't going to involve draft picks anyway. But yes, they're up against it. They've been up against it since they basically made him. They put him in the dunker spot. They had him bring the ball up. And then they, Doc Rivers took him out of the equation when it came to how they played in the playoffs. And so everybody at that point knew that they were going to have to make a move. And now they're up against it. And now, Darry has surprised me before in terms of what he's been able to get when he's had to move a player. But this might be his biggest challenge that he's faced. So, far. Good stuff. Senior writer, Rick Buecker, Fox Sports NBA, covering the league since 93.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Good seeing you, bud, on a Tuesday. Same, Colin. Yeah. When that story leaked, Ben Simmons has cut off communication. My initial reaction is, oh, that's bad for Philadelphia. Because like Rick said, you can't bring him to camp now. Like, he's done. You think Michael Thomas has a little friction with the saints. Like, Ben Simmons is done. Not only is he done, but we saw that we watched it. And that goes back to something. I've said this time and time again. When it goes bad, get guys out of town. Philadelphia for a year or two has known M. Bid Simmons don't work. And try to make it work and try to make. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. Don't get greedy. Get them out of town and get a
Starting point is 00:20:28 pick and a decent player. But I don't know about the other sports, but in the NBA, anytime you get stubborn or you don't move an unhappy player. You lose all your leverage as a team because these players now, they're making social media money, shoe money, NBA money, commercial money. They can throw a fit. They'll go, they'll go play. You've got to be careful now. Players now can just go to social media.
Starting point is 00:20:56 They don't need me. They control their own stories. So if they're unhappy, call GMs and move the player. Players have never had greater opportunities to not only use the media to get the story out, just go to their IG, go to their Instagram page, he's got 14 million followers. So Philadelphia is here for a reason. Stop trying to pretend indifference works. He's indifferent.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Get him out of town. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Fit matters also. I mean, obviously, you want to have the most amount of star. as you can.
Starting point is 00:21:37 But it's why the Luca thing is interesting. Don't try and just gobble up talent, like build an organization around what fits what Luca does. Poor Zingas struggles to get along with Luca. We know who you're keeping. Rudy Gober and Mitchell, there have been issues. Like that, Rudy Gober has got value,
Starting point is 00:21:54 but the truth is what Utah needs is not necessarily just a rim protector. They need another score. Like another, they got Boganovich and Mitchell. Like they another athlete in the, wing to score. Like a Paul George level guy if you want to be a championship contender. It still matters. So reports out of Bengals training camp have consistently said that Joe Burrell doesn't look as good as he did during his rookie season. He's coming back from a major
Starting point is 00:22:19 ACL surgery. And he says his struggles aren't because of his knee, but it's about getting his mind right. I would say right now it's a mental thing that I'm just, you know, getting back used to playing football again against top level competition. I can guarantee my expectations of myself and everyone around me are higher than anybody else's. So, you know, when I hear everything, it doesn't really, it kind of goes in one ear and out the other. It's when we get closer to game one, if this is still happening, then, you know, the panic button will start off.
Starting point is 00:22:52 But right now there's no panic button going on. Just got to get the reps back. By the way, he looks thicker. This was one of my knocks last year. He looked thin. Look at that picture Joe Burrell in the neck. Remember I said that about Lamar Javis? accent. I don't like skinny quarterbacks. Like Burrow looks thicker. I could be totally wrong here.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Well, they grow into a man body. Your body changes a lot. Look at Joe Burrow now. He looks broader. People make fun of me for this. Trunky, thicker. He's never going to be super trunky. But when you watched him talk there, it reminds me of Lamar his second year. Traps are bigger. Well, you're working with different trainers. You're eating different food. Am I wrong? No. Can this be verified? Cincinnati inquire, get on it. He looks thicker. You know, I think it's interesting that he came out and said that it's a mental thing because we have talked a lot over the past few months about, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:46 mental health and the mental side of sports. And obviously it was a huge discussion during the Olympics with Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka. And, you know, you have a bunch of, you know, people with their opinions about how much this really matters. and generally those people have not accomplished anything great or remotely so in their life. So that's why that's what their opinion is, if you pay attention, to who is strongly backing these athletes. It's generally other people who have accomplished great things because it takes a lot out of you to do that. And when you have a major injury, you have a major setback in your career.
Starting point is 00:24:23 It screws with your head. It does. And especially if it's your body and you know that what could happen if you get injured again, the time away, the training, the real. rehab, everything that you have to do to come back to be what you were and then then be better because of the expectations. It's a lot. Of course. And you, you know, it's guys with breadcrumbs on your shirt, stop questioning great athletes, motivation and mental.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Yes. Like, stop. So I just, I saw a study on Twitter today. 40% of Americans think that if they, if they got into it, they could become an Olympic athlete. It's so funny. It's so funny. I have to find it. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:25:07 It's amazing. It's amazingly dumb. Like, what are you talking about? Listen, it's so funny. Like a prime example. I'm a fairly athletic person. Not a great athlete, but fairly athletic. You know, your typical high school quarterback call, you know, high school basketball
Starting point is 00:25:24 player athlete who works out every day. When I went to Wimbledon a few years ago, Wimbledon is one of those sporting events where you can sit down next to the athlete. Next to the athlete. So I played doubles tennis last night. A bunch of old guys. Okay. That's my lane.
Starting point is 00:25:40 So I go to Wimbledon. My other company took me to Wimbledon. And I sit down, not at center court, on one of the side courts. They have like 30 of them. You cannot believe how in the heck anybody ever returns to serve. Yeah. literally a hundred twenty-nine mile an hour serve and you're watching tennis players sit there and you're like I can't see it how when these baseball players now can hit everybody throws 98 with
Starting point is 00:26:13 movement does everybody understand how great of a tennis player skier golfer you have to be to be a pro athlete no they don't they in fact do not it is very obvious that they in fact, do not have any mortal idea what it takes to become a professional athlete of any level or an Olympian. It's really actually laughable. But the point is, give Joe Burr a little time. I'll be back. Sequin Barclay is returning to practice Monday for the first time since tearing his ACL in week two of last season. He participated in individual drills and teaching sessions without any issues.
Starting point is 00:26:49 He said he's hopeful that he'll be ready for the season opener next month. The Giants are taking it slow, obviously, with his return and monitoring him closely. this is really good news for the Giants. I maintain Sakewan Barclay is the engine of this team. He is the face of this team. Obviously, you want to see what Daniel Jones grow into that role. But right now, Sakewon is a certified star for that team. And he is extremely valuable.
Starting point is 00:27:14 So having him out there is going to be huge, especially because herd rule. We're going to evaluate Daniel Jones at Thanksgiving. Yep. So having Sequin Barkley out there healthy will be big. And they've added a lot of pieces offensively. Their speed is no longer their issue. Their issue is the only part of their team I don't like is the offensive line.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Well, yeah. That's their issue. But the Giants have perimeter-wise, they went and got Gala Day with Slayton. I think they got Adori Jackson as a slot corner. Kyle Rudolph, DeMonte Booker. Yeah, they got enough guys that can run and catch the football. So Kyle Shanahan has maintained that Jimmy Garoppolo is the Niners starting quarterback, despite Traylance's strong performance in camp so far.
Starting point is 00:27:55 far, but he did admit that Lance is going to get on the field this season. Trace going to play for us this year. I mean, whether it's, I know you guys are running to Twitter on that, but like, I mean, that is situationalally he's going to get plays. Like, that doesn't mean that he's going to go start or anything. He's going to get plays. And you've got to prepare him for that every way possible. I think this is a great situation for the Niners. I'm glad that he said that because he just kind of pushed that whole narrative out of the window. Like, he is going to see the field this season. Jimmy Garoppel is aware he's not the future of the 49ers. If he's not, he's delusional.
Starting point is 00:28:29 They gave way three draft picks to move up and get Trey Lance. He's the future. And they're two opposite style of quarterbacks. So this is the best way to get Trey Lance, who's extremely raw, who has been played only one game in a year and a half on the field, get him some live reps against NFL competition and see what you have in him while letting Jimmy G be the leader of the team. I think this is the best scenario when he came out and just, we're not having a quarterback competition right now. But Traylancy is going to see the field. Yeah. And by the way, Niners, bears, preseason games, can't
Starting point is 00:28:59 wait. Like real preseason games, you've got to see at least the first half of those guys playing. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Pay or play, who would I give the bag to for the young quarterbacks?
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Starting point is 00:30:35 But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful. solutions. Sike! I'm a comedian! I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally
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Starting point is 00:31:20 Multura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night bases on offense.
Starting point is 00:32:05 And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court and you're going to get the ball.
Starting point is 00:32:26 So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country. From IHeart Podcast, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk.
Starting point is 00:32:53 One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America apart. This is for Vietnam. I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire. Do you rate me? They're pouring petrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. Four free time.
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Starting point is 00:33:31 QuickBooks by Oracle. NetSuite by Oracle, the number one financial system. Go to netsuite.com slash herd, net suite.com slash heard. More control, more visibility over your commerce. HR business. All right, we're going to pay, play. Pay or play. Of all the young quarterbacks in the league, if I ran the franchise,
Starting point is 00:33:55 would I be working on a contract, get a little bit of a break, or I want to see more? Because you can pay early, like Mahomes, you get a little bit of a break. It does matter. Now, you may not feel it for two years, but in about two to three years, you're paying a guy less than market value. Yes. So I'm the GM.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Would I be working on paying him or I want to see him play more? Here we go. Kyler Murray. I would pay him. Here's why. In the toughest division in the NFL, with a coach who's the fourth best coach in his division, he made massive leaps, year one to year two. We don't even know if he has a good coach.
Starting point is 00:34:37 It's the toughest division. By the way, he averaged 331 yards per game. running and throwing, second most in the NFL before he got hurt. So when you can be in that division with those coaches and those rosters, and I don't even think you have the right coach, and you get significantly better, I'm talking to his agent, and in the next year, we got a deal. How about Lamar Jackson? You pay him.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Okay, we all know he was MVP. We all know he wins 80% of his games. I've said that multiple times. Here's the other thing that matters. He's 10 and 5 against winning teams. this is a thing. He can't beat Patrick Mahomes. Outside of Brady, nobody can.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Do you beat elite teams? Because anybody can beat up on the Bengals. No, 15 times he's played winning teams. He's won 10. And if you take Kansas City and Mahomes out, he's like 10 and 3 against winning teams. He plays well against good teams and wins those games. Sam Darnold.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Play. Listen, his statistical categories all went down. I'm going to give him. a year with this coach and this roster. By the way, this offensive roster is way way better than people think. They are really good at receiver, two home run hitting backs.
Starting point is 00:35:56 I think they've solved their left tackle issue. They're good at right tackle. So I need to see Sam play. Now, I think he's going to have a good year, but I've got to see it. He regressed badly. Now, for the record, no quarterback has played with fewer pro bowlers
Starting point is 00:36:11 than Sam Darnold. since he entered the league three years ago. So we know it wasn't all Sam, but I got to see more. Joe Burrow. I got to play more. Listen, that was a bad injury. MCL tear, ACL tear, and now there are reports. He's not playing with a ton of confidence.
Starting point is 00:36:29 I think he's the guy, but I need, I got to need a 12, 15 starts and see how he deals with that injury coming off it. Baker Mayfield. Close, but I'd say, I'll play a little bit more. No quarterback in the NFL has thrown more interceptions than Baker Mayfield since he was drafted. I don't love his judgment. I've said before I think he lacks maturity. It's never been about his talent. Never.
Starting point is 00:36:56 His interceptions, there's a connection to his lack of judgment off the field. A little too cocky for my taste. But, excellent O line, he's got leverage because Cleveland's not getting rid of a quarterback that goes to the the playoffs back-to-back years, and Cleveland's going to make the playoffs, should. So I need to see him play more. I want to see how he handles success. Give me till Thanksgiving and all of a sense of, did Baker in good shape? Is he a grown-up?
Starting point is 00:37:25 Can he handle success? My guess, though, 80 to 20 percent, they're going to pay him. Drew Luck. Play more. I don't buy it. I mean, he just throws him a ton of picks. I don't like his judgment. It's like Baker Mayfield, but without the roster and without the talent.
Starting point is 00:37:40 I've always thought his talent's overstated. He's got a wicked arm. You can't deny that. He's a little, it reminds me of Jay Cutler. He kind of seems indifferent. And Cutler, who is a super talent, just never clicked. I think you're looking at a less talented Jay Cutler, and that to me is a, I'll give you another 12 games, but I'll be honest with you, I'd give him about eight.
Starting point is 00:38:04 I mean, I'd give eight or nine games. You don't know that to Sean Watson situation? I mean, I'd give him about eight or nine games, and I'm, if I'm Vic, If I'm the GM, I don't have any interest watching the Chargers and the Chiefs dominate this division for the next 10 years. I'd be on it. Speaking of the Chargers, Justin Herbert. Just pay him. Does everybody understand what he did last year?
Starting point is 00:38:23 He set every rookie quarterback record ever with the worst rated offensive line in the league. That is impossible. You're throwing 30 touchdown passes behind the worst offensive. Ask Daniel Jones what it's like to play behind a bad. offensive line. So I'd pay him now. I'd be on the phone with his agent now. And Daniel Jones? Got to play more. He's got a turnover issue. Joy, he's fumbled 29 times in 27 career starts. Now, does not have a great offensive line. Right. But let's juxtapose that to Herbert, who was unbelievable right out of college. Now, with Daniel Jones now, we're getting to a point like,
Starting point is 00:39:06 you start watching September and October, and if he can't solve this turnover issue, it's time to get on the phone. I mean, he's 0 and 8, by the way. 0 and 8, Joy, against winning teams. It's the opposite Lamar. Yeah. Against the better teams, never beaten a winning record team. Finally, Tua.
Starting point is 00:39:25 Play. Okay. 34 to 35 qualified quarterbacks in yards per game. I don't, where's the there there? At some point, you can't have a perfect team for him to succeed. That's not the NFL, right? This is not a movie script where you keep working on the script. Your quarterback has to be able to win when your defense didn't great, your special teams, your coaching.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Now, they've gotten him a ton of perimeter talent. And my guess is this is probably a fairly successful year for the dolphins. But I want to see, I've said the date, Thanksgiving. Then we're going to start having conversations upstairs. Great to have Joy back. Ryan, the crew, we're like the Lakers. We're getting the band together. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,
Starting point is 00:40:19 not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:40:37 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown if you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole. This podcast is for you. to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network
Starting point is 00:41:11 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Joey Dardano, and on my new podcast, hope from a hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian.
Starting point is 00:41:27 I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to me. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite Wednesdays on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcasts presents soccer moms.
Starting point is 00:41:52 So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips.
Starting point is 00:42:02 This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back. of my Honda Odyssey With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app,
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