The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/12/2021 - HOUR 1 - Prescott, Patriots, Carr

Episode Date: August 12, 2021

Dak Prescott is having a second MRINow the Patriots are giving complementsDerek Carr wants to play until he's 45 years oldGuest: Lane Kiffin Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodc...astnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, NFL tonight. Mac Jones will be on the field. Cam Newton on the field. The Steelers playing tonight is. well. I will be home with a big bowl of pasta. That's what I'll be doing tonight watching NFL preseason. I think this is one of the best, most interesting NFL preseason weeks ever. Like for me, preseason football to me is, you know, you watch week three, the starters a little bit.
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Starting point is 00:03:47 Let me start with this. So this did not come from an intern. This came from Jerry Jones, or probably his long time, a PR guru, reached out. Rample. The Cowboys, yes, the Dals Cowboys on their Twitter account, it's not a setback. It's not a reason to worry, but Dak Prescott is planning on getting another MRI. That didn't come from an intern. That was carefully carved out. Okay. Translation. Leg injury. Long rehab. Overcompensates. Throwing shoulders sore gets an MRI. comes off the field, right?
Starting point is 00:04:37 A couple days, a few days. Goes back, a couple days of throwing, and why would you get a second MRI? Something's not quite right. It's not doom. It's not gloom. But Joe Burrow had an equally ugly leg injury. He hasn't had any MRIs. So 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:05:03 one has had an MRI, DAC. One has had two MRIs, DAC, fresh of a $40 million contract. Now, Stephen Jones today is saying it's overrated. It's no big deal, but you watch Hard Knocks first episode, Jerry Jones talking to trainers with the Rangers and the Yankees. Nothing is everything. Everything is something. And I think this is and has become an incredible.
Starting point is 00:05:33 incredibly DAC-reliant team. That's why this is important. I said this yesterday. What do the Seattle Seahawks do well? Russell Wilson scores touchdowns. What else do they do well right now? Not a lot. Let me ask you with the Dallas Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Increasingly, they're putting DAC front and center because he's the emotional leader. He's the physical leader. He's the production leader. This is not like Kyle Shanahan's offense. You know, this is not the early Brady with the Patriots, Dilfer Flacco the Ravens, where the defense felt like it led the way. This has become a very quarterback-reliant franchise. I even think the Kansas City Chiefs could win half their games without Mahomes
Starting point is 00:06:20 because of the coaching, the O-Line rebuild, the skill people. They wouldn't win the Super Bowl. I think Dallas has totally decked up. now. Last year, defense, 23rd, rushing, 17th, pass rush, 20th, coaching, all be kind, C-minus, felt like a D-plus. What do they do well? Dax productive. That's it. He goes to the microphone, A-plus. Productivity, very good. And I'm not picking on Dallas. I said this about my hometown Seahawks. What do they do well? Their drafting's weird. Two first rounders and a third in a player.
Starting point is 00:07:01 for Jamal Adams, who I love, but that's a lot. Now they're kind of trapped. Now guys aren't practicing. They're holding out. This is now a very DAC-reliant franchise. And, oh, by the way, the Eagles are a tire fire, but Washington and New York are solid and getting better. Giants played very well. Won five of their last eight last year.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Washington, end of the year, played very well. Gave the Buccaneers everything they could handle. with the like Taylor Heineke at quarterback. So this division is not as bad as it was at the beginning of last year. It's a pretty interesting division. But with Dallas now, this has become a very DAC reliant franchise. He's the guy you put at the podium. He's the emotional leader.
Starting point is 00:07:50 I mean, you saw last year there were questions about Dallas's defense. When Dak left, it was like, man, they're not playing hard. They're not prepared. and there was no DAC around. It was Andy Dalton. Who do you rely on when things go sideways? This is still not a very good defense with an anemic pass rush, hit and miss running the football, coaching his ad.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Albert Breer talked about this yesterday. You watch Hard Knocks. It's pretty clear now who runs the franchise. It's not Mike McCarthy. So, Dak Prescott, a second MRI. All right. So I want to shift gears to tonight. We have some football games tonight.
Starting point is 00:08:34 and Cam Newton and Mac Jones reportedly, both Cam and Mac Jones reportedly will play for the New England Patriots tonight at Foxboro. And here's what I think is interesting. So Tom Brady played in New England for about 20 years, right? Was it 2021, 19, something like that, 20 years? And for 15, he was. he was the emotional, physical leader of the franchise. But they always struggled to give him credit as he took pay cuts, right?
Starting point is 00:09:15 There was a moment a couple years ago where they, Belichick gave him the team ball, and it literally, visually, optically looked uncomfortable. They always struggled. It was always about the system, the genius of previously fired Bill Bealechuk, who I still think, you know, the best coach in NFL history. So Brady leaves and immediately, almost bizarrely, the compliment started flowing for Cam Newton. What a leader. He's picked up this offense.
Starting point is 00:09:44 He is sensational. Cam has never had back-to-back winning seasons. They draft Matt Jones. The Mack Jones comments, despite the fact he wears 50 and looks like a ball boy half the time. Oh, I got he is whizzing the ball. He is an unbelievable talent. If you work for a company for 20 years and you got them six rings, number one in merchandise sales, you got them on Sunday night football, CBS game of the week.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Almost every Sunday they were the marquee game for a network or the league for 20 years. You doubled the owner's net worth. Belichick had been fired. You helped make him the winning his coach. You couldn't get compliments. Then you leave. and the next two guys, one that's never had back-to-back winning seasons, and a kid who was the fourth quarterback taken this year, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:10:39 Like fourth quarterback of the five, everybody, you know, was one. Oh, he was the fifth. My bad. Oh, he's great. You can't believe how good he is. He's so smart. He's like Einstein. Elon Musk with a helmet.
Starting point is 00:10:50 It's unbelievable. This is why I believe Tom Brady's not going to play for Tampa. One year, not two years, not three years, not four. Tom Brady, as long as he thinks he can win a Super Bowl, is just going to keep playing. He's going to say, honey, Giselle, just one more year. Tom Brady's got a chip in his shoulder from being drafted in the sixth round. He still got that. But I think it is really funny.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Put yourself in Brady's shoes. You work at a company for 20 years, and for like 16 to 17 of it, you carry him. Your boss is now called a genius, although he was fired in his current job. previous job. He was fired in his previous job called grumpy, hard to deal with, and was in big trouble, you arrive, and suddenly 17 years later, 18 years later, that boss who had been fired, is the greatest boss of all time. You take pay cuts. They don't compliment you. You leave, and the next two guys who aren't close to you, oh, they're geniuses. They're Matt Jones and Cam Newton. Folks, that's all this is doing.
Starting point is 00:11:59 All this, all these, you don't think Tom Brady's watching that and thinking, Mac Jones is brilliant. Cam Newton's a great leader. I mean, just think about this. What was around Brady? Look at what is left. Belichick, who's great, but was fired in his previous job. Matt Patricia is now an advisor, disaster as a head coach.
Starting point is 00:12:20 The offensive coordinator is Josh McDaniels, who was a disaster as a head coach. coach. And the defensive coordinator, there really is none, although I do think Belichick's son has some role there. All right. And they're not really a winning team now. And they're clearly not close to Buffalo, who was 13 and 3 and clearly got better in the offseason. So you know what? When your old company still can't acknowledge it, struggled for years. You took everybody in that organization from owner to coach to Lyman to a completely different level. And they can't stop talking about the people who have replaced you. That's why Tom's just going to stay in Tampa and he's just going to
Starting point is 00:13:01 foot on the gas and it's just jet fuel. Every time I hear a Mack Jones or a Cam compliment, I know Brady looks at that and just goes, keep chirping, keep talking. We know he's got a chip on being drafted in the sixth round. So tonight we get our first view, the brilliant Mac Jones. You know, be unbelievable. Who do they play, the Houston Texans?
Starting point is 00:13:26 Oh, Washington. Well, Washington's got a good defensive front. Maybe he won't be great. We'll see how he runs around when under pressure. All right. So New England and Washington. Good stuff today. Derek, speaking of playing a long time, that's why I say with Brady,
Starting point is 00:13:42 and I made a rule a few years ago, I said, I'm not going to guess when Brady's going to retire. But I do believe Tom's just going to keep playing and keep playing and keep playing and keep playing. He's just going to keep burying in New England and proving them wrong because they just can't acknowledge he changed everybody's life in that bill. I'm done hearing about Cam and Mac Jones. I'm done. Do something. Also,
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Starting point is 00:18:02 Get more from your neighborhood. Dash Pass. Try it for free year-round saving zero-dollar delivery fees, DoorDash. You know, I was talking about Brady and how, you know, the Patriots just can't bring it to themselves to acknowledge that he changed everybody's life in the organization and that Mack Jones and Cam Newton got more compliments in the last 15 months than Brady did in 20 years. But, you know, the other thing with Brady is he's going to play for a long, long time. And I do believe a part of it is he takes care of his body. But Derek Carve the Raiders, who have always liked more than you, who I've been saying for years to me, you can win a Super Bowl if you have a top 12 quarterback in the league.
Starting point is 00:18:38 You usually need to get these days because of the offensive lean in the NFL. You're going to get in some shootouts. You've got to have a top 12 quarterback. I think Derek Carr is a top 12 quarterback. And he was talking about how long he's going to plan. It's a very interesting thing he's right here. I feel like I'm 20. I think I honestly believe this, that our generation, like, the way that we've taken care of our bodies with football,
Starting point is 00:19:01 I think like 30 is like the new 20, you know. I feel like I could play another 15 years, like, without a doubt. I honestly feel stronger, faster, better than I did when I first got to the NFL. And that comes with more knowledge on how to train and how to eat and how to take care of your body. And that takes a little bit of money sometimes, but it's definitely worth it. We're reaching an interesting potential saturation point in the NFL with quarterbacks. And this has happened in the wine industry. For the last 20 to 25 years, there's been movies like Sideways, Romanticizing the Wine Industry.
Starting point is 00:19:32 And you'll see that after they made the movie Sideways, the wine consumption spiked in America. Every celebrity, every hedge fund person, you know, they all buy vineyards. And we produce a great amount of wine in America. But now because young people are drinking more seltzers and they're not drinking as much wine as their parents did, we have a saturation point that we've got more wine than we have wine drinkers. So the business is much tougher because it's saturated. You're seeing this in the NFL is that it's the ABCs of this saturation point. Number one, money is greater in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:20:15 So guys want to play longer and get another contract. Rich guys like money. Derek Carr's already rich. If you can play into your mid-40s, you go from a $75 million net worth to $140 million net worth. It's a different life, right? Practices are easier. we talked to T.J. Hushman's aught. He's like, I've been at camps. Like, guys don't hit at practice anymore. Like a little in preseason, you're done. You don't even,
Starting point is 00:20:36 guys don't even play preseason anymore if you're good quarterbacks. Number three is, as Derek Carr pointed out, nutrition, training is better. We're all living longer, especially people with money. We're living longer. I mean, now they have concierge medical, where if you're a rich guy, you don't even have to go to the same hospital or emergency room. You have your own you go to. And that's for non-athletes. So you couple that, the ABC, sees with the fact that these college quarterbacks are coming in much better, much more refined, much smarter. They can read defenses.
Starting point is 00:21:05 The quarterback coaching now in high school is like a cottage industry. Add to the fact you're getting to a point where college schemes are now used in the NFL. There's no reluctance now. A guy comes into the NFL, Matt Nagy's like, I'm just going to use the stuff that mits did in college. You're seeing that that's no longer a barrier or a stigma. So it's easier for the college quarterback to come in and be able to play very, very early. I mean, Joe Burrell walked in and could play immediately. Your 300-yard games, Justin Herbert immediately with a terrible offensive line.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So, I mean, I criticized Tua now. He went six and three last year. I criticized Daniel Jones. He won five of eight. These guys aren't terrible. You can win games with two and Daniel Jones. The question is the quarterbacking now is so good. can you carry a team when it has deficiencies?
Starting point is 00:21:58 I mean, think about this. Nick Foles now is a backup. He has a career winning record as a starter. Okay. He wins more than he loses when he started. He won a Super Bowl outduled Tom Brady. Third string right now. Third string in Chicago.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Gardner Minshu was like productive and not even considered a starter. Mitch Trubisky, believe it or not, has a winning record in the NFL, 29 and 21. And we roll our eyes at those guys. So you look around the NFL, like the wine industry, you start looking around the NFL. Now, we're reaching a saturation point. By the way, next year's NFL draft has two already five-star great quarterbacks and about three others that will get picked in the first round, but a guy from Carolina, a guy from Oklahoma, those two are going to be top four or five picks. Those are seen as big hits. Guys with a lot of talent, and I agree, they're both really good.
Starting point is 00:22:54 So there's only three teams in the NFL that I look at and I feel like, uh, they don't have the guy. And that's Denver. And Drew Locke has talent. I've never disputed that. I said he's a poor man's Jay Cutler. He's got talent.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Washington. Well, Ryan Fitzpatrick is more athletically talented than Tua last year. And the Saints. Well, Tatham Hill is like Tim Tebow, but like way more athletic. And a couple of years last year he had to be.
Starting point is 00:23:24 to start a bunch and he won all the games he started. And James Winston has been wildly productive. So the floor in the NFL now. The floor in the NFL. We have multiple backups who can really play. Gardner Minch who can really play. You Baker Mayfield fans, go look at his college in the same offense and his NFL numbers. He can play.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I'm not going to start over Trevor Lawrence, but he can play. Nick Foles, Mitch Trubisky. So, I mean, it used to be that Derek Carr as a quarterback was absolutely. absolutely sufficient. You're not making deals or calls. There's no question. Derek Carr is your quarterback? I mean, every year at some point, we're talking about, well, is Derek Carr good enough?
Starting point is 00:24:05 Is Derek Carr good enough? We are really reaching a point with what Derek Carr is saying here. Not a lot of teams need quarterbacks. Backups are really efficient. There's a lot of good backups. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
Starting point is 00:24:23 This is the herd line news. Well, speaking of quarterbacks, the one in New York for the Jets, Zach Wilson, didn't play well in his first scrimmage with the Jets, caused some concern for how he'll perform when the regular season begins, but he's not dwelling on his mistakes. Instead, he is using them as lessons to prepare for when the games actually matter. Taking care of the ball is 100% a quarterback's job. And one of my goals when I came out here and I got drafted was just like,
Starting point is 00:24:52 how can I adapt to this NFL game as quickly as I can? and I can't be afraid to make mistakes, especially in practice. You know, this isn't a game. This is where I'm learning what I can get away with and what I can. And so, you know, there's times where, you know, maybe in a real game, I probably wouldn't throw that. But it's times where I'm like, well, let me try right here and see what I can get away with. All right. Well, I got a lot of pushback yesterday from the fan boys.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Yeah. Oh, Zach Wilson fanboys. They're at BYU and the Jet fan. Oh, he says, we'll see. They love them? Well, I just, I said before, he's a little cocky and he's a little small and his road has been paved with riches and let's see. Fan bases are very excited about their quarterbacks right now. If I criticize an older quarterback, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Yeah. Like, that's fine, right? But young quarterbacks who haven't played yet. Well, I mean, because they're thriving on hope. Listen, if you go, I'm not going to get to, I'm going to talk about this after heardline news, but. we have a history of what happens with first round quarterbacks. On average, there's four. One's a star, two are bumpy, one's a bust.
Starting point is 00:25:59 They ain't all hitting. So I don't think, I'll just tell you right now, I think Tray Lance and Trevor Lawrence, those two I know are going to succeed. Well, where you go matters to. And the New York Jets have a little bit of a better offensive line, but they don't have a ton of solid weapons. And they have a new head coach. It's tough for the New York market to be patience.
Starting point is 00:26:21 First time play caller offensive coordinator. Yes. There's a lot of new here with the New York Jets. And look, I guess the concept of trying things out in practice, you remember Tua had a really bad practice? We had like five interceptions. Right, right. It's like, I'd rather him be aggressive now.
Starting point is 00:26:36 So there is some mentality to this. They are obviously trying to push him. You would rather have him be aggressive than be timid, I suppose. But, you know, this is all we have to evaluate him on. So we're over-analyzing all of it. Once we start getting into the real games, then we can, you know. start projecting. I think you and I are on the same page about our feelings about how this is going to go for Zach Wilson. But we shall see very soon. So the Saints have a true quarterback competition, James and Taysam.
Starting point is 00:27:04 And Sean Payton is hoping the preseason will give him some clarity on who the team starter should be. He said, I'd like to see these guys operate both of them in all three of these games. But I haven't sat down as a staff and said, this is the date. Hopefully it's something we begin to see a little more clarity on. Both of these guys are working their tail off. They're both well respected by their team. They're really, really good leaders, and that's a good thing. Well, there are two actually opposites. You know, James is your classic. Throw the ball down the field.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Tase him as an athlete. And it's, you know, we don't do, it's not like college where sometimes you get that like, you have two guys that can play. We just don't do that in the NFL. But I, to me, I know you can win with both. You can win games with both. The question becomes, which one can defense is marginalize? and I think it's Taysam Hill.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Yes. You can force Tase him. There's certain things he can't do throwing the ball. And with Jemis, our question's never been size or athleticism or arm. It's just been mistakes. Yeah. I think it's easier to ask James to be more efficient than it is to ask Tassum to be a brilliant thrower. That's the only, and by the way, I think, you know, like, you know how San Francisco's got Trey Lance doing some stuff?
Starting point is 00:28:17 Even if I started James, Tassum Hill has value. Oh, no, they're still going to use Taysam Hill. Absolutely. Similarly to what they did when they had Drew Breeze, even though Drew Breeze is very different than James, obviously. But again, I don't love quarterback competitions. I understand he's trying to feel it out throughout camp and taking his time or whatever.
Starting point is 00:28:36 But I just, James Winston has so much more starting experience than Tassim Hill. And I don't know what the delay is. Like he's been there. So you pretty much know what you have in him. I'm maybe they're evaluating because he, you know, lost weight this off season. He had the surgery. He's been in the system for another year, so they're seeing how all this works. But the, he's favored by minus 250 to be the starter, Taysam plus 162.
Starting point is 00:29:02 I would assume that James Winston is going to end up being the starter. And credit to both, because they're both grinders. Like they like each other. It's respectful. But James has also, I always thought he was a little lumpy as an athlete. I didn't, I didn't, I think he's gotten in. really good shape. James. He's also been humbled a little bit. I mean, he's
Starting point is 00:29:22 on his, he's on a new team, and he had to learn a new system, and he, like, he was the guy, and then he, now he has to prove himself. So when you're in the situation like that, you do have to put in the extra work, teach your body a little differently, and pay attention to what you were doing wrong at your first stop.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Those odds are given to us by Fox Bet. So Damien Lillard has been at the Center of Trade Rumors all off-season. Oh, wait. Oh, what's this? Oh, cryptic? I saw cryptic. It's cryptic. It is cryptic. He's maintained his commitment to the Blazers.
Starting point is 00:29:52 He has also said he wants the team to be a championship contender. Yes. And he has posted a cryptic Instagram post. Okay, let me see it. He posted an image that said, sometimes you just have to play the role of a fool to fool the fool who thinks they are fooling you. With the caption, chess, not checkers. And there's a little jester guy in the corner.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Sometimes you have to play the role of a fool. So he's playing the role of a fool. so he's playing the role of a fool. To fool the fool who thinks he's fooling you. Oh. So what he's saying is... You have played dumb to convince the dumb person that you're dumb, but you're really not.
Starting point is 00:30:32 So you're smarter than the dumb person, and you're actually really manipulating them. Is he talking about Neil O'Shea, the GM? Is he talking about the owner? I don't know what's going on here. I also think it's funny that like now any NBA player who is involved in any kind of like possible movement. Maybe it's just on his heart to post this quote
Starting point is 00:30:53 because it's like something that's going on in his personal life or something. And now we're like applying it to this possible trade scenario. It's like if you're an NBA player, you can't post anything like that. Like you and I, I had a dinner the other night with a young broadcaster and I said, once you get into this world of opinion, you're in the headline business. Brett Musburger once told me that. You will now live in a world of headluster. lines. Think of your show as a sports section and you just stay on page one. You talk LeBron four
Starting point is 00:31:21 times. You don't go to guys that nobody cares about. And so I always look to me, I want to talk Dame, but I can't talk him as much in Portland, except for Portland fans, take them out of it. Isn't everybody rooting for him to land with a Luca or an MB? Like, isn't that better for 90% of sports fans? It's nothing against Portland. It's just we've seen it. Like, When LeBron left for Miami, I'd seen LeBron carry a crappy team. I wanted to see him with great players. It was nothing anti-Cleveland. In fact, when he went back to Cleveland, I was like, this is awesome because they had Kyrie and they got Kevin Love.
Starting point is 00:31:59 But in the end now, like, I'm just ready to see Dame play with another A-plus guy. I just want to see that. I think that, you know, the landscape has changed, obviously. When LeBron left, it was, like, very dramatic and he's abandoning his hometown. He's going to South Beach. He's squishing the little guy. Now we're a little bit past that. And there's still some resentment there around with fans.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Obviously, everyone loved that Yonis did it in Milwaukee, even though Golden State just did the same thing a couple years before. But at San Francisco, so it's not the same thing. Building through the organization. I think with Dame, Dame is such a superstar. Like, he is such a crossover star. He's got music. He's got the shoes.
Starting point is 00:32:39 So he is a, like, bona fide star in a market like Portland. where we root for them, but we can all also see there's kind of a ceiling here. And with an all-time great player like Dame, you want to see him in a situation where you know he has at least the potential to win a championship so that when he does with someone else, it feels like, okay, that's deserves. Like, he's not a super team guy because of how much he's talked about it, but you can, you need other players around you to win a championship. Yeah. And I also think you don't want to be Bradley Beal, who I look at, now and this is weird but I almost think less of him. It's like dude do you want to be a winner?
Starting point is 00:33:20 Why are you not leaving? I don't understand it. I mean loyalty is a little bit overstated in professional sports because it's professional. Right. You didn't stay the same company your entire life. Most people don't. That's it's an old school ideal and we try to apply it to sports and it just doesn't really
Starting point is 00:33:35 add up sometimes. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. You know, Lane Kiffin, did you hear this story? His football team in college has 100% vaccination rate in a state that has one of the lowest vaccination rates, Mississippi. And under Nick Saban and under Pete Carroll. And Lane was always a really smart offensive guy.
Starting point is 00:34:01 He's developed into a really good football coach. So he took over Ole Miss last year. They were suddenly like the second best offense in America. May have been first. He's got a million things to talk about. He faced Mack Jones. He coached Jalen Hertz. So Lane Kiffin's around the corner.
Starting point is 00:34:15 A lot of interesting stuff. I mean, he's coached in the NFL. He's coached Jalen Hertz. He's gone against Mack Jones, who just lit him up last year. So he's around the corner. Plus, you Zach Wilson fanboys, you just have to come to terms with this. All those Johnny Mansell fanboys in Texas A&M, they all work at car washes now. All those guys who were big bloggers and media types down there that went up against me,
Starting point is 00:34:40 shame, shame, shame. Just ruin their careers. You, you, uh, uh, BYU fans and jet fans, I'm going to have to set you straight and be real on this thing. I'm not rooting against anybody. Nobody roots against these guys. Bad quarterback play stinks. I'm looking for saturation. I want everybody. I want all these guys. But there's a Zach Wilson thing that nobody's discussing. I will eventually today. Plus, um, we're loaded. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Ben. Host of the fifth hour. with Ben Mather, along with my trusty sidekick, David Gascone,
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Starting point is 00:36:20 And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later. We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. Wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
Starting point is 00:36:34 With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing?
Starting point is 00:36:44 Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart.
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Starting point is 00:37:46 The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team. And the truth about the U.S. national team. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals. The World Cup is almost here. Experience it all with us. Listen to Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tabramos on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano and our party.
Starting point is 00:38:21 The cast point game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the
Starting point is 00:38:48 lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard. Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass, get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Jersey Mikes. If their turkey had a resume, it would say 99% fat-free and raised without antibiotics. Jersey Mikes be a sub above. I will address all the haters yesterday. I'll tell you something. It is, thank God I have Joy and Ryan. All the haters out there. So Lane Kiffin has coached a lot. He's been a coach. When Lane Kiffin got a job with the Raiders, everybody's like, oh, he's way too young. Now, the whole league feels like they look like Lane Kiffin when he coached the Razors.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Half these guys aren't shaving. He's the second youngest NFL coach ever at the time was Sean McVeigh. In one year, Ole Miss was a little bit of a mess. He figured out the offense. They're the only team in the country that scored 35 a game, but surrendered 35 a game. So he figured out the offense very quickly. They'll get the defense figured out through recruiting. And Lane Kiff and Ole Miss coach now joining us live.
Starting point is 00:40:17 watched a couple of your games last year, and they were typical Lane Kiffin. You were fast and clever and smart. And by the way, you've lost a lot of weight. You lost 30 pounds, I'm told. What did you do? I did a lot, Colin. I really, after the season, after the bowl game,
Starting point is 00:40:36 you know, just sitting down players and you have your year-in meetings and we had some linemen that, you know, talked about their diet and working out and having discipline. I'm sitting there looking at myself going, how am I staying in this? not doing myself. So just change a diet.
Starting point is 00:40:52 I'm back to exercising like I used to, and just kept plugging away. By the way, you have 100% vaccination rate on your football team, which is absolutely remarkable in a state, especially with a lower vaccination rate. What was the cell? We know that some kids, it may be religion, they get misinformation. You sold your entire team on this, and how did you do it? Well, I am proud of our players and our staff, our entire building. That's 250 people, you know, coming together.
Starting point is 00:41:26 And it's hard to get that to happen. And like you said, we're in a state that was dead last in vaccination rate. So we didn't make anybody do anything. We didn't force anybody, but we did educate people. And we brought in not just our own doctors, but outside doctors for information and for support in this decision-making process. And, you know, really what it came down to is a lot of the kids, a lot of the employees, adults, you know, it really wasn't for sure no.
Starting point is 00:41:58 It was really, well, I just, I read one article or I had one person tell me this. So I'm just going to say no. And it's easier to say no than yes because I don't have to go down the road and get the shot or, you know, go to the doctor's office. So I think a lot of it was that. Yeah. versus what people really think it is that everybody's so educated on this.
Starting point is 00:42:20 Ole Miss football coach, turned him around offensively in one year, one of the great recruiters in college football. So I trust your judgment on quarterbacks. Mack Jones had a field day against you guys last year. Tell me what do you like about his game? Any concerns going to the NFL? He's not a quote,
Starting point is 00:42:37 great athlete, but when you faced him, what did the film say and what did the game say to you afterwards? Well, he played great versus us, Everybody played great versus us, Colin. That's a really good thing to go by it. But no Macwell, great competitor, phenomenal student of the game. He's going to study. He's going to know everything about it.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I think he'll do really well. And, you know, I think he, in the offseason, when we watch cutups of things to learn, you know, you kind of learn the players even more. And he was extremely accurate, you know, with his deep ball throws. Now, over two years of throwing a four first rounders helps your accuracy too, but he did a great job. Jalen Hertz, who you had. Philadelphia is going to let him roll lane for 16 games.
Starting point is 00:43:28 What do you like? What would be your concerns on the Eagles quarterback? I like how Jalen can get out of trouble. I like that, you know, especially so many plays are not made in rhythm. And he does a great job of doing that. that. You know, the concern would just be, you know, an entire season at that level as a young quarterback at any age, you know, just having the experience and going through everything. And most guys take a while. You know, everybody now wants everybody to play great right away. And
Starting point is 00:44:03 that position most of the time takes a while. You know, Lane, when you went to Oakland, it's well documented. There were a lot of picks that Al Davis muscled through that you weren't a fan of, but you were a young coach and there were a lot of skeptics and it always takes time in society for us to just put our arms around cultural changes now in the NFL Zach Taylor Sean McVeigh just kids I mean we got Nick Sariani we got all these young guys and take me back a little bit it was such a stigma your age was such a big deal
Starting point is 00:44:38 and my takeaway is young people my kids are smarter than I was like young people are just smarter Do you remember when you were with the Raiders just all the doubt and skepticism you had to constantly hear and face? I remember some of it, but I was young enough. I think that's, you know, one of the good things about being young, you know, is you think he can do everything. And you think you got all the answers. So that's bad and good at the same time. So I had no concerns.
Starting point is 00:45:11 What I think when you are young, what you need is the right. people around you. Just like to be a good quarterback, you need the right pieces around you of the organization and the other players. And so I think any head coach needs that, but especially when you're young. You know, you faced Alabama and Nick Saban, and there's always been this feeling from people outside the SEC bubble that, oh, Kiffin and Sabin, oh, boy, I don't know. And I have a, I know both of you. I have a hard time believing. I mean, I don't know. I just think, I think Nick let you run an offense. He just gave it to you. And if you go look at what you did, you didn't have first round quarterbacks. Do you and Nick, if you walk up to each other, what is it like now today?
Starting point is 00:45:56 Very comfortable. It's happened a number of times and great respect for him, great appreciation for what he did for me and giving me that opportunity. You know, when the USC thing happened, you know, all of a sudden, you know, I didn't know anything about coaching. So, you know, he gave me a great opportunity and, you know, people want to give me credit for changing the offense there. But as a head coach, especially head coach that is set in his ways for him to want to change on offense. And it was his idea. I didn't come in saying, this is what you should do. He said, this is what I want you to do.
Starting point is 00:46:32 I want to change. You know, I'm tired of people running these plays against the stuff so we don't have an answer for him. So just appreciate him that opportunity. And, you know, it's a good lesson. And sometimes when you just sit and listen, you know, for three years and learn from somebody, you can learn a lot. And obviously that helped us last year or the other way playing against him. Because you heard for three years what he didn't like to see.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Yeah. Well, you've had Pete Carroll and Nick Saban as mentors. And you're obviously going to be a mentor for some young coaches out there. You know, it's funny. If I have friends, I just met with some friends the other day from the SEC, I had dinner with them. And they just love football. I'm a West Coast guy. But I always tell my West Coast friends, you just don't want to.
Starting point is 00:47:13 as badly. As a guy who loves the West, and I know you do, if explains Southern football to a West Coast guy who just thinks, the media doesn't like us, and I say, you just don't understand the SEC. Explain it to them. Yeah, you really don't. And until you get in it, you view it different, you think out there, it's like a different, it's just not a different league. It's like a different sport. You know, you can utilize it in some really good ways. too, you know, like this vaccination, you know, as head coach of USC, I think if you do that,
Starting point is 00:47:48 you're going to have some impact, but you do that as the head coach of Ole Miss, you know, fans now are lining up to, you know, get vaccinations because the football team did it. So it is completely different and there's good and bad to everything, you know, and you know, and I've talked before. You can go to down there in Manhattan Beach and maybe a few people recognize you, You know me the head coach USC, but they just maybe say hi or something. Down here in the South, you ain't going anywhere. I'm quick.
Starting point is 00:48:18 It takes an hour to go to the grocery store. So it's just a totally different goal. They are passionate about it. And the whole family, I mean, we had a women's clinic here like 400. Yeah, we lost him. Lane Kiffin, a little breakdown in satellite communication. Anyway, good stuff from Lane Kiffin. Very good stuff.
Starting point is 00:48:38 Yeah, Texas and Oklahoma are going to figure. out very quickly. It's not the Big 12th. It's just this is not, it's totally. Oh, I think Oklahoma's going to win very quickly, but it's not just about going to the SEC and playing, you've got to play them every week. So 100,000 people in every stadium, every week, Kentucky, a basketball school, there's 80,000 people in the stand. It's just a different mentality. You know, they're saying is it matters more. It does. Yeah. I can never, I have a friend in Nashville, and I went down in some a couple years ago, about five years ago, Saturday morning at 745, we got up. We walked downtown.
Starting point is 00:49:12 I could smell the bourbon. The restaurants were full. 7.45 in the morning. And they were lined up. And there were lines around the block at restaurants, TVs everywhere, 20 sports bars. It's cultural. Yes.
Starting point is 00:49:28 It's like when I first came to California and I went to the grocery store. You can't get, there's no bags for your groceries. Do you want bags? I'm like, I'm going to carry all these. I'm going to carry with my hands. How am I getting home? There's no bags. you bring your own bags to the grocery store.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Like there's just certain things, different parts of the country, it's just cultural. Yeah. Listen, football is different in South. It's very easy to be a vegan in California. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:51 It's very hard in Cincinnati. It's difficult in Kansas City. Like every other restaurant has, every restaurant has vegan options. Every other restaurant feels like a vegan restaurant. It's like it's easier here for that, right? Tired of waiting for hot water. Choose Navian.
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