The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/13/2021 - HOUR 2 - NFL, Kawhi, Malice at the Palace

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hour two and a Friday. I can't even believe how packed we are. Very, very good. It's the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, F.S.1. At the end of this hour, I'm going to have Germain O'Neill on. He was a six-time All-N-B-A guy.

I covered Germain O'Neill out of high school. He's a remarkable story. He was involved in the Malice in the Palace, and they have a Netflix documentary. I have not seen it. I'm going to try to squeeze it in this weekend. It's a low point for the NBA. I've never gotten more hate mail in my career. You think Baker Mayfield hate mail is bad.

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And I'll say to this day, don't blame the players at all. At all. But let me watch the Netflix documentary and I'll find out what happened. But Germain O'Neill was involved in a fascinating story. And Germain O'Neill is one of those guys. I don't want to waste your time here.

But I will tell you, I covered him, and Portland was loaded. They had Arvita Sabonis and Rashid Wallace and Scottie Pippin and all these guys. And he was this kid from South Carolina. He was a baby. And Bob Witts had drafted him and said, listen, he's going to be a great player, but we don't want to have a lot of minutes for him. He was so dominant at practice because the team, you know, It was a bunch of older veterans and they grind.

And then here's Germain, 18 years old, flying around Duncan on Rashid Wallace and Arvita Sabonis. And he was a little lost, but he's matured wonderfully. He's reportedly great in this documentary. He's going to join us today. And I can't wait to talk to him. I don't know if he'll remember me, but he was this kid. And you took him, it's amazing what they did.

He was from South Carolina. He didn't get to bring his pastor. Where are his parents? Where are his friends? Hey, go up to the Pacific Northwest, which sounds, looks, smells nothing like where he's from. And he's up there thrust into professional sports as a kid. And he matured beautifully. He became a very good NBA player, bounced around a little, but I can't wait for that.

So I was thinking about this is that it's, we are living in the golden age of quarterbacks. There are so many talented young quarterbacks in this league right now. And what qualifies as a young quarterback? So I'm going to go, I'm going to count, okay, you were drafted since 2019. So you've been in the league, you know, like last year's draft, year before, you're a potential starter. So I'm not going to include Dwayne Haskins in this because he's not going to start. But we saw Mack Jones last night would qualify. Jalen Hertz would qualify.

So put him up, there are 12, what I would say, young quarterbacks with a chance to start. Now, I do think four of the 12 I'm going to eliminate because, this league is built on stars, they have lower ceilings. Tua, Jalen Hertz, Daniel Jones, Mac Jones. I think your stars are going to come from the other eight. They're either big time arms, big time athletes, big time size, big time. Nothing against Tua, Jalen Hertz, Daniel Jones, Mac Jones. They feel more system quarterback to me. They need a bunch of stuff around them. So let's go to the other eight. They're going to drive merchandise. They're going to drive ratings, they're going to drive championships, they're going to be able to overcome bad defenses.

So of those remaining eight, and I'm going to list them for you, Kyler, Justin Murray, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Drew Locke, Justin Fields, Tray Lance, and Zach Wilson, how would I rate them? I'm going to guess based on a four or five things their success rate, the environment, the team, their maturity, their talent, their potential for productivity. So here's how I would rank what I believe are the eight young quarterbacks drafted since 2019 that I view as starters and dynamic something, like really dynamic. I would say number one to me is Justin Herbert.

I think he's Andrew Luck with a better arm. The fact that he set all rookie quarterback records with the worst rated offensive line in the NFL is so Andrew Luck, but he was better than NFL. Andrew Luck. He was a four-point biology major who played in a very conservative offense, so people doubted him. He went to the Senior Bowl and was miles better than everybody. He goes to the Rose Bowl. He's miles better than any player on the field. And last year, he was sensational. I think he is Andrew Luck with a better arm. I would put number two, Trevor Lawrence. I worry about Urban Myers sticking around. I worry about the ownership. I worry. But it's a winnable division. He is one of the

best prospects I have seen, since Andrew Luck, big, smart, big arm, played in big games. He's at Clemson. That's big boy pressure. I think he's a terrific talent. I would put him too. Very closely, I put number three, Kyler

Murray, who made a big leap. One of the best high school quarterbacks Lincoln Riley is like, that, that's as good a high school quarterback as I've ever seen. I worry about as coach. I don't know if he'll have the same GM in a year. They have the worst roster. arguably in their division. Their division's brutally tough. But there is some absolute Russell Wilson.

There is no question you are looking at. I think he's a little craftier, faster runner. To me, I think we've got a star in our hands. So Justin Herbert 1, Trevor Lawrence 2, Kyler Marie 3. I would go Tray Lance 4. He just, I said that's when I first saw his tape in college. Okay, that doesn't look like anybody else. He totally pops. I met him before. I like him. excellent organization that is not quarterback reliant to start. He got drafted by the perfect team. They just worked for a skill set. Kyle Shanahan has dominating run games.

He's not going to have to win shootout. It's a real big boy defense. He's got a veteran ahead of him. I would put him four. And it very, now it gets real close. I would go Justin Fields five because I think he's so dynamic of an athlete and a thrower. I also think actually if they keep Matt Nagy, I mean, Matt Nagy got Trubisky to a winning record in the playoffs. I think he's got a star receiver, a potential star back, a young but potential star tight end, a good enough O line, a very clever head coach, a defense that can keep you in games.

I think we have a potential. We don't know, but they're there. Now, five is Justin Field. Six, I would do Joe Burrow. And I like Joe Burrow. This just tells you how many good quarterbacks there are. but he comes off a nasty, nasty leg injury. Last year, what was my concern?

His organization. He got crushed. He got sack 32 times in 10 games. I think he's fine, but I really worry about the environment in Cincinnati. Can Zach Taylor coach? Good God, the division's got you got to play the Ravens twice, the Steelers twice. Now the Brown's roster's loaded. He's in a tough spot. Number seven to me would be Zach Wilson.

You know, I just, I don't buy him as the prospect everybody else does. I can be totally wrong. all of his tape shows you. There's a lot of, you know, a little Johnny Mansell, a little small, good arm, can make plays, didn't play great competition. I don't love the ownership. I love his general manager. We don't know if Solican coach.

I'd put him seven. And number eight, Drew Locke. I mean, I just, he didn't play with enough urgency. He's got a huge arm. He very much reminds me a Jay Cutler where he's got a cannon for an arm and they got some really nice pieces. But I question maturity. He doesn't play with a lot of urgency.

see, you know, the ball just, there's something there with him. There is no doubt there's something there. But right now it doesn't work for me. And I don't know if he has the right coach. And he's got to play with Holmes twice, Derek Carr twice, Justin Herbert twice. That's a gauntlet. So if I, if you're telling me, first of all, it shows you how many good quarterbacks there are. These are kids.

We have got a lot of talent. All right. Chris Sims played eight years in the NFL, former Patriot coaching assistant. career record 26 and 6 at Texas, by the way. That was the winning his quarterback in Texas school history at the time. He's joining us now live. All right, you saw my one through eight there. All right, Mr. Sims.

Anything you look at and go, oh, Colin, what are you talking about? Well, no, no. Listen, I always respect your opinion, Colin. I do. I mean, you're in the weeds. I know you love the sport. You got a good eye for talent. I really do.

that's a tough ranking there because you know you're ranking ceiling which is also taking into account the organization the coaching all the things you're talking about there right off the bat so i understand some of the questions you have about some of the guys at the bottom of the list like with zach wilson i don't agree with everything you said there no i don't when you talked about specifically the player but i understand your concerns about yes salas not a proven coach you know the offense mike lafleur what's that going to look like yeah the jets have kind of been all right all over the place the last few years. But I look at him still where I just go, man, there's Aaron Rogers special qualities

where I look at and go, Trey Lance and Justin Fields cannot do the same things he can do within a pocket if he supported the right way. And despite, you know, guys like Lamar Jackson as awesome as they are and everything, man, when I still watch football and the best teams every year, it's the guys who can make throws with their arm. And that's where I just go, don't sleep on Zach Wilson that way. The rest of your list, hey, listen, I look. love the Justin Herbert at number one. I get that 100%. Herbert, he's special. He's a superstar.

I took a lot of flack for putting him above two a few years ago in the draft. So I get that. I probably would have put Kyler Murray one just for this exercise to go, man, it's been pretty damn good and special through the first two years. And I think they got a decent support system there as far as the receivers. I'm not totally sold on the Cliff King's very offense yet, but I'm not going to push too hard on you with what you did here. It's a tough one when you take them the whole organization. Okay, so you work with the Patriots, and I said to start the show today, I said, listen, Cam gives you experience and some playmaking, especially in the red zone,

in terms of anticipatory thrower and accuracy, Mac Jones. Right. And I look at him, and I'm like, well, it kind of depends. I think you can win with both, but I wonder because they don't have a lot of perimeter special players. They just donelson Aguilar's inconsistent. And my takeaway is, well, they're not going to win with turnovers. This has to be a wildly efficient team, almost a Saints feel, where there's no big plays. We've got to outsmart you, out detail you, out efficient you.

And I think I can see the coaches just saying, listen, we're not quarterback dependent. That's just not what we're going to be and going with Mack over the playmaker Cam. What was your interpretation of the Patriots Mac and Cam last night? Well, first off, I mean, hey, Mac Jones looked very good. There's no doubt about it. I mean, for your first time out on the field, you know, big bright lights, the Patriots offense has a million rules, you know, playing against a pretty good Washington defense. You know, the one thing I'll say about Mac Jones, as you saw, I mean, every ball is just perfectly placed within the timing and the rhythm of the offense. He can go through reads and play in the pocket. Yeah, like he's been in the NFL for two or three years. That's apparent. There's no doubt about that. And I don't think it'll be. long before he has that advantage on Cam Newton as far as the pure pocket passing type thing. But you brought up a lot of good things, the efficiency, the way they play. Hey, they had a number of games last year where they played extremely efficient with Cam Newton.

And he managed to play the game about perfectly. The stats might have not blown you away. Where I look at New England and where this is interesting is, yeah, Mac Jones is going to be able to do more of the Tom Brady type of stuff. But like you said, with the receivers on the outside right now, this. team is it made for that quite yet and i'm not so sure and to me the decision for new england comes about how can you maximize what this team is this year and that's to me still where i give cam newton advantage they have one of the five two or three maybe best offensive run blocking offensive lines

of football of course with the coaching right so that cam of course now it can make that even more dangerous and accentuize it even more because of his ability to run the ball and do those type of things So I look at it that way, and I think the way their team's built with the two tight ends, all the running backs, the offensive line, like you said, not special receivers yet, improvements with Aguilar and Kendrick Bourne to where I still think it's going to be Cam Newton. I just have a hard time thinking they're going to put Mac Jones in the trust tree yet as a rookie, especially with Cam Newton getting the full off season and some of the other things he can bring to the table. So you know this, Chris, is mostly your first preseason. game is go out and play. There's not a big game plan for it, right? Right. But I said this the other day. I said, I could see the Packers saying, all right, we don't need Jordan Love to play, so we don't need to throw a bunch of stuff at him, but he can't look awful. We're going to script about 10, but we want

this thing, just the optics of it to not be a disaster. So my feeling is Green Bay is going to make Jordan Love look good this weekend. They're going to set him up for success, and we're all going to come out Monday and go, oh, boy, Jordan Love. And I think they're going to manipulate. a little bit. That's my takeaway, your thoughts. I think you're spot on. I think you have to. I think you're dumb if you're Green Bay,

if you don't do that. I really do. Again, this is, Jordan loves under the microscope. I feel bad for the guy in a lot of ways under the microscope more than anybody in football. And again, you know,

not only do they want to, you know, quiet the bad talk out there about why did you draft Jordan Love in the first round or all those type of things, I think more to what you're saying more than anything is, You've got to start building some confidence in the player, the team, the fan base, too, in case Aaron Rogers says, hey, the hell with all you.

I'm out of here next year that you can go, wait, hey, look at what he did in the preseason. He got better. He played well. He did some things. And I think that is important, not only for the organization, for Jordan Love, I would expect them to, yes, have a few game plan plays, to really be specific with plays that he's very comfortable with, and he knows how to orchestrate within the line of scrimmage. I look at Jordan Love to your point.

And the other one I look at is Trey Lance. You know, that's where preseason can be hard. Some some quarterbacks won't get any game planning. But Shanahan, again, with that pick, three first round picks traded away for Trey Lance as well, I think you're going to see game planning there because it's

just too big of a, it's too big of a polarizing topic in the NFL right now. What will you have to see from Urban Meyer? Because we know this. Quarterbacks, players, coaches, some go college to the pros, and you can just tell. It just doesn't fit. What will you see from Jacksonville where you'll think with Urban? It's not working or it is.

I guess what I do want to see more than anything, you know, I don't question, I think, Urban's ability to coach in the NFL. You know, there's a reason like Bill Belichick was so close with Urban Meyer all those years and always drafted Florida players and everything like that. because Urban's tough, he's hard-nosed, he's old-school, and really, if you look at the good teams in football that are consistently at the top, you know, people like getting on Joe Judge last week, oh, he's old school, oh, he made them run. The good team, Sean Payton, Harbaugh, Belichick, they're old school. It's about tackling, hitting, being more, being tougher than the other football team, understanding situational football. I think he brings that. What I want to see is what you said, the offense. You know, hey, I do expect college-type, stuff. But if it's too much college type stuff, I just don't know if that can really work in the NFL, you know, on a game by game basis with, of course, the defensive coordinator is having so much time to break you down, a different talent set. His team's not going to be the most talented

team on the football field every week like it was against at Ohio State. I mean, he only had to worry about one or two games a year where he went, we're not the most talented. So I think it's the week-to-week game planning I'm excited to see to see if they can diversify and be game plan specific against. who they're going to play against. All right. Chris Sims. You look like you're in a swanky studio. Where are you? Well, you know, this is like the NBC Sunday night football backdrop, right?

You know, you got me, right? So, yeah, I'm trying to be big time like you, man, like I always said. Yeah, very good lighting with Chris Sims there. He looks like a network star right there. Good seeing you. Good seeing you, too, man. Be good. All right, Chris Sims.

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A lot of people are talking about it. Carson Wentz is reportedly trending towards a week one return following his foot surgery. God, that's great news. It is great news. But he's been a spectator and been wearing a walking boots. But Jim Arsay wants to make sure that Wentz is fully healthy before letting him play again. I told him, I said, look, you know, you have to be right. We, you know, we watch you 100%.

Don't rush it back. I mean, I know he's such a competitor and he wants to be there for his team, but he has to help us all by only coming back when he's ready, ready. Because we want to see him healthy for two months and two years and four years. You just want to see him ready when he comes back. If that's Seattle, so be it. This is a good thing to hear from the owner. That means they're behind him for the long term.

And otherwise it would be a lot more pressure for him. to get out there if he's trending towards coming back early. But you want him to be 100%. You want him for the whole season. If he has to miss the first two games of the season, you have Jacob Isson and Sam Ellinger. If you had a Jacoby-Bressett in house, this would not even be a worry.

What you have is Sam Ellinger and Jacob Eason, who are really nice college quarterbacks, but they feel like not only are they back up talents, but they're really young. They are, but the rest of the roster is solid. Very. So if they can keep them afloat and the purpose of a, backup quarterback is to split the games, right? If you win one and lose one, that's a,

that's a good start for a backup quarterback. Now, that's just me, you know, spitballing on when he'll actually be back. But if he does have to miss the first few games of the season, if he's trending towards coming back at the beginning of the season, they're going to wait until he's 100% as they should. Obviously, we had high expectations for Carson Wentz coming into the season. There's a lot of pressure on him after the way things ended. And obviously, this is a team that's ready to win right now. They were good last year with Philip Rivers, and he's expected to be better than that and put them over the edge,

and it's a winnable division. But at the end of the day, it's good news that he is trending towards coming back at all, because when you heard the injury news, it was like, okay, great, he's out for the season. How bad is this going to be? And it's possible that he might come back maybe as soon as the start of the season.

So Daniel Jones is entering his third year in the NFL and is expecting to take a big jump in his play. Giants GM, Dave Gettelman, admitted earlier this week that it's a big year for Jones, but also said that he's confident in his quarterback's talents, and Jones agrees that it's time for him to step up. Every year is a big year

and, you know, there's, you know, playing the NFL, you're expected to perform and perform well, so it's a big year for me, it's a big year for everyone. We're obviously at a much higher level this year, so I think we're able to install plays

faster, which puts us, you know, further ahead, you know, week three than we were last year. So that's an advantage for for us for the whole offense. Listen, the organization has a history of being patient. They were patient with Coughlin, they were patient with Eli. So they're going to be patient with him.

My argument is, in a world where there's just more good talent at quarterback, by Thanksgiving, if he doesn't show an ability to stop with the turnovers, you've just got to move on. I mean, he's there's something there. I said, he reminds me of Alex Smith

with a better arm like athletically, straight-line speed. He's a real player. I think he's got a little better arm than Alex. But the turnover stuff is a mess. Like fumbles all. And Jason Garrett told me last year, I remember talking to him privately. He said, like, we had to have a sit-down.

Like, you cannot fumble once a game. It's just not allowed in this league. You can't do that. No. No. And he had 11 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Yes. They had a 5-9 record.

He has the potential. And they are a patient organization, to your point. But this is a. a year that no matter how patient the organization is, you've got to take a step up in your third year. Like that's what it is in the NFL. And to your point, it's becoming saturated with high level quarterback talents. The older guys are playing much longer. The younger guys are coming in, more prepared. You just don't have the same runway as a young quarterback to develop as you used to, whether that's fair or not. By the way. Fair is for fried Oreos. Yeah. Ferris whales.

Yes, he, I like that. He has got really good receiver talent, a star running. back. The weakness of the team is O-line. Now, the good news is he can move, but the downside is, we need you to win in a division with Washington and Philadelphia's defense, and it's not a great line. So we'll see. And Dallas is probably going to have an improved defense this year as well. With Micah Parsons. Yeah, the offensive line is not great, but that's what the NFL is. You've sometimes just got to overcome units that are not high level. And that's obviously if you're a quarterback, you want the offensive line to be at least competent. But they did make some additions this off season.

So they improved on the offensive side of the ball. Sequon's going to be back. It's just, I think it's a put-up or shut-up year for Daniel Jones. And they're going to have to make moves if he doesn't, especially handle the turnover situation. So the Yankees and White Sox faced off in a highly anticipated Field of Dreams game last night. And it lived up to the hype.

Both teams' bats were hot, but the White Sox were up by three, heading into the ninth. And then Aaron Judge, Jean-Carlos Stanton hit two. two run home runs at the top of the inning to give New York the late 8 to 7 lead. But Chicago's Tim Anderson sent us off into the night. Anderson hits it in the inner right, back at the one. Well, you can throw the party, but you never know how it's going to turn out. That's unreal.

And how about six runs on the board in the ninth inning alone, and the White Sox with a walk-off 9-8 win. this was some kind of night for baseball. It was fun. That will not make you happy. It was great. Yankees are a weird team. They got a bunch of big.

A lot of big guys were the Yankees. By the way, baseball players are getting big. That white sock reliever in about the eighth inning, that was like a lumberjack. Yankees don't run the bases terribly well. They can't bullpen, you're not sure. But look at the size of Aaron Judge. Baseball players, I'm sorry.

They're just, there's more six, five guys in this sport than I've ever seen in my life. Aaron Judge is a big guy. So is John Carlos Sant. This was a great night for baseball. Yeah. It was, it really felt like you were watching a movie. Yeah, a little bit. And nights like that in sports are great.

Are great. Because, well, you're not a huge sports movie guy in general, but you do like Field of Dreams and Miracle. And, you know, the thing about sports movies is that inspire you. Like, that's what sports is for, for all of us. It's some, it's an escape. It's entertainment, but it's also got a soul to it. And that ending last night was like, you can't, it's not scripted.

And that makes it all the more exciting. It's like that's how you would want it to end when you set up a night like this. And then it ends that way. And it was, it was great. Like the visuals were amazing. We do the best job of live events guys. Sorry. It's a, I don't know, it's not a close second.

Yeah. Fox is the absolute best with the live events. Fox is fantastic in live events, big live events. There's just the best. everything was perfect it was the whole thing Kevin Costner the music the intros I mean even the scoreboard they set up beyond yes yes yes it's fantastic behind Joe's like everything was perfect it could it could not have it couldn't have been set up better looks better here's here's it Kevin Costner story I can't I'm not going to say where he lives I know he lives

and I buy his house about two miles away there's this classic old saloon and I was talking to somebody there and he's like, oh yeah, Kevin will stop by a couple times a week and just knock down a hamburger, walking, nobody cares, nobody bothers him. He's like a regular dude. In L.A.? No, no, no, no, it's outside of L.A. So I, I was like, where are there saloons? No, my wife saw him this summer in Utah because that Yellowstone bars now? And she was like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just like a normal dude. Kevin just likes his baseball and just his baseball and burgers and just walk into a restaurant, knocked down a burger high-eow. Baseballs, beer, burgers, and America. You know, he played at Fullerton State. Kevin's

baseball player. Yeah? And Kevin Kosser was a good athlete. I love burgers. Burgers are very quickly climbing up my power ranking. Herd Burger, you should try. It's very popular.

Kids. Really like it. Beer too. All right. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News.

Do we have the NFL schedule? Can we put it on the screen? It's really good. Now, Tennessee Atlanta plays tonight. And I want to watch Kyle. So starting at four, I get to watch Kyle Pitts. Just look at the schedule. I get Kyle Pitts, who is the best tight-end prospect they're saying ever, followed by Goff and his new coach, Dan Campbell, who's going to eat kneecaps or something.

And we get Cowboys, Arizona. You'll watch that. Tomorrow morning, I get two of Justin Fields, followed by Drew Locke, followed by Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Tom Brady, well, the box, Jordan Love, Tray Lance. and then I get Raiders, Seahawks, Rams Charg. Then Sunday get Sam Darnold. That is the bet. In fact, we made an open to this. We put some graphics or something with this.

This is what we're calling this weekend starting tonight. How are the way to come off the rock? How old are the way to go? The greatest 45 and a half straight hours in the history of the NFL preseason. Just keep playing football. Yeah. From 4 o'clock Pacific tonight until 1.30 Sunday afternoon. I get Darnel in Carolina.

I'm so excited. Strong. I am genuinely excited. But for the record, I saw this. I saw that Kauai Leonard re-signed with the Clippers four years, 176 million. And everybody says, oh, what's it mean for Kauai? It means he's rich. I'm fine there.

But it's really big for the clippers, and I'll tell you why. Because they're very much the Mets and the Jets. They're in the shadow of a legendary franchise, Giants, Yankees, Lakers, in a town. And those kind of franchises don't get the long 10, 15-year automatic momentum that, like, the Yankees do with a big signing, or, you know, the Giants do, or the Lakers do. You can lose a series. It's no big deal. You can overcome that. You can't lose momentum.

when you're a number two in a city. You'll never get it back. The Cubs had it years ago. They had Theo. They had Joe Madden. You got Chris Bryant. You got the kid they just traded the Yankees. Anthony Rizzo.

You know, it wasn't long ago. They just traded the best closure across the street to the White Sox. They've lost momentum. Good luck getting it back. Philadelphia had momentum. Doug Peterson, Carson Wentz. Boom. Good luck getting it back.

I mean, look at New England now. trying to get its momentum back. You can lose games. Finally, the Clippers have a wealthy, smart, passionate owner, an elite front office, an excellent coach, and a doable roster. You can lose a series. You can't lose Kauai. And he was going to sign that stupid one-year deal where he's not going to play. It's an awful deal for the franchise. This, here we go. He'll play next year. The Clippers are not a franchise that can lose momentum, either of the Cubs, by the way, and it'll just come back eventually. When the Lakers are down, you're like, yeah, they're going to get it back. When Alabama has a dry spell, you're like, well, they'll get it back. Oklahoma football,

Duke basketball. We have these brands where they lose it, they lose a coach, he retires, but they always get it back. Lakers, Yankees, Dodgers, they always get it back. You sure the Cubs are? We sure the Eagles are? We sure the Clippers are? So this ensures franchise momentum. And that's a big thing for them. Germain O'Neill, new Netflix documentary, I can't wait to talk to him. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's Ben Maller, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller, along with my trusty sidekick, David Gascone,

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I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team. And the truth about the U.S. national team. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals.

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And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series. because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

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and IHeart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. This is my best friend Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the Hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip.

Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it.

Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. How did you move? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky. I'm not an alcoholic.

You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team. And I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 17 years ago, Germain O'Neill found himself in one of the craziest, ugliest nights in NBA and sports history as a six-time all-star. He is now the executive producer of Netflix untold Malice at the Palace. I'm an NBA fan. I supported the players on this at

the time. This video is hard to put your arms around. Nine players got suspended for 146 games. Germain was in the middle of it. It's our pleasure to bring him on. He is the executive producer of this Netflix doc. And it's getting incredible reviews. When you watch it, Germain, and I covered you when you, I was a Portland sportscaster, and you were a kid, and you've done quite well for yourself. And I'm really happy for you doing this. When you did the documentary, approached you. Did you say, oh, I don't want to touch this thing? Or did you say, I want to explain what happened?

So actually what happened was, you know, I've looked to do this doc for about 10 years, maybe seven to 10 years. One of the things that really has bothered me the most is the anniversary, right? People are still talking about this thing 17 years later. And one of the things that I want to do is tell the story, have the conversation. I think the narrative itself was told in a manner that didn't really highlight what actually really happened. So I was very blessed to have an opportunity to sit down and talk to Netflix about this opportunity. I'd like to thank Netflix, the Way Brothers, and Floyd Russ, who's the director who did a phenomenal job on capturing the vision,

which was not alienating anybody, but just telling the story so now we can finally have a conversation. Do you hope that the narrative gets changed when people watch this? You know, Colin, actually at this point, it's just about having a voice in the situation. I think what people do not know is that we went through criminal and civil for 10 years. That's right. And we basically couldn't talk because if you said the wrong thing, it affected one of your cases. So by the time we got past the 10-year mark, it was one of those things where you just wanted you just go away, you know, and not have to talk about it.

But every year, you know, I'm tagged, messages sent to me. I'm reminded about that night. And that really bothered me. And so having an opportunity to be a part of an incredible series of unto sports docs meant a lot to me, even though this has been talked about, you know, for many, many years. A lot of people said they went after Ron Arte's. And at the time, Ron was a very volatile. little player. We've since brought him on the show a dozen times. He's a wonderful, just a

giving, caring guy. But at the time, America really said, this guy's unhinged. He's bad for sports. And as I watched the video, I'm like, Ron, don't go up in the stands. What are you doing? But in that moment, take me to your fear, your anxiety as this stadium full of people are throwing stuff. Were you literally scared for your life? So when you think about this, you go into a sporting arena, probably as a fan and for sure as an athlete. You're going there to compete. At the time, it was about sending a message. Detroit had just beat us the year before in the conference finals after having the best record in the league.

And we didn't necessarily know how good we would be. We knew how good we were coming into that season, the brawl season. And, you know, to have the type of game that we had, which I think we won by 18, 19 points on national television, and then end up into a position where you're now fighting for your life. Like, people were literally trying to hurt us, and we had no protection, right? And so when you were put in a position to have to lead, right, my position as a player on that team was being a leader, not just in the locker room, not just on the basketball court, but any time that we're together. right and then put in that situation you have to make sure that you protect yourself and others when nobody else is doing that for you when you look at this video and you've seen it a thousand times what do you think i've watched i've watched this doc um 14 times wow and calling to be honest not one time have i not got emotional about it because people don't understand the magnitude of what this did to a lot of things. It put a league that I love so much to this very day as an alumni, right, under extreme pressure where it was no template to deal with, which then allowed a general public or media

to create a narrative that then wasn't about our safety or about that night or even about real information. It's about three players punching fans that all of a sudden our criminals, all of a sudden are thugs, tattooing. wearing hip hop listening, you know, braid wearing players. And people roll with that narrative not only for that year, but for years. Right. And so that ate away with me. And part of me stayed in that facility.

You know, basketball wasn't as an enjoyable anymore because when you're in a situation and a billion dollar business is affected, your peers are being judged. That wasn't even in the building. right your position then it's like it's a it's a sense of of sadness that comes with that right and it's and part of my aggression left right I was angry no no doubt up until hell this this doc came out um but and I know part of my love for playing basketball uh went away to be quite honest um but it was a part of the process Colin and honestly Everything that I went through in that event and any other part of my career made me a better man today as I live as a father, as a community leader, and as a businessman. By the way, he's the founder of Drive Nation Sports. It's AAU Basketball Volleyball Programs for Boys and Girls. He has now been the executive producer. I'm going to watch it this weekend, sneak it in with all the football and stuff, of Netflix untold malice at the palace. And I'm just, I'm so happy for you because I remember,

you and you were a kid from South Carolina, and you came out there with some friends, and you were a little loss for a year or two, and the Blazers were so darn loaded and deep with big men, there was nowhere to play, and little Germain O'Neill, you became a man in six NBA All-Stars, and you've got charitable organizations and this. You've really done well for yourself. I'm genuinely happy for you, Germain, and I hope this was therapy for you, because it's a story that needs to be told, and to congratulations on your successes and this documentary. right. Now, Colin, I thank you. It's been quite the process, been quite the time. You know,

I got to say shout out to the Portland Trailblazers. We're being prepared for a 17-year-old kid out of high school from Columbia, South Carolina that didn't know much about anything, right? Allowed me to grow at my own pace, all my ups and downs, allowed me to be a second son in a city that really cared about their team. So shout out to them, you know, for all the tools and information it gave to me to have an opportunity to become a six-time all-star and everything else that I've been able to accomplish in life. And, you know, this is a chapter in my life, honestly,

that I am absolutely closing. I've now had my opportunity to have the conversation, not vilify anybody, not alienating anybody, just have a conversation so people can see exactly what we saw that night. And now whatever conclusion you can come to, that's on you. You can always go to Netflix and check the dock out. And I'm pretty excited about it because it was one of those scenarios, Colin to be honest, where we did not shoot that dock together.

When we put this together, it was to shoot in different locations. We did not have conversations. I call the guys and people that are involved and say, hey, look, just talk openly. Whatever your opinion and your feelings are for it, talk openly. And hopefully everybody out there and join it. And I got to say this. The incredible outreach and love and support for people that one thought that we were thugs

or didn't watch basketball or just in support of us has been incredible. Germain O'Neill, absolute pleasure, continued success. Our clock is winding down. What a great way to end our number two. Go watch it. Netflix untold malice at the palace. And hour three and a Friday from L.A. is next. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guide.

Not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only. legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's

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