The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/17/2021 - HOUR 1 - Tebow, Patriots, Sixers

Episode Date: August 17, 2021

Tim Tebow's NFL career is officially overThe Patriots haven't named their starting QB yetThe Sixers give Joel Emiib a 4 year contract extensionBen Simmons and Joel Emiib didn't get alongGuest: Mark Schlereth Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, other than a fine resume. You're not going to believe what I will unveil in one hour. You will not believe it. Blind resume is a little bit of trickery. It's trickery. It's a little bit of a magic trick where you think you're going to see something. You're sure you're going to see something and you don't see something. I like Brian resume because it keeps you honest.

Yeah, it takes away. People have biases. and all of a sudden it's a smack of reality, well, or that's, whoa, that's not what I thought I was going to see. So it's, speaking of reality, Tim Tebow was cut on the worst roster in the NFL by his best coaching friend ever at a position that's not really where you put your most talented people. His career is over. They sold some jerseys. It's smart business. He can't play.

and let's be honest, a little bit of a distraction, especially in the South. The media is not always accurate. I would admit that. I mean, I classify as media. The media isn't always accurate. And the media sometimes there's a bias. I would admit that. I'm human.

Sometimes I have confirmation bias. Something confirms what I want to be true. Of course, you have that too. are you willing to admit that today? The media isn't always accurate, but they were 3 and 0 on Tebow. When the Denver Broncos defense and kicking game was winning games, the media said, dude can't play. We were right.

When Tebow went to the Mets minor league system, guys like me said, it's a schick. He can't play. he couldn't and the Mets later admitted it was really a thing to sell tickets and when he went to the Jags we said it'll sell some merch it's very close to where he played college football even on a bad team he is not close to an NFL tight end and we were right too i mean good god michael jordan's the best basketball player probably ever he took two years off came back rusty lost in the second round was a shadow of himself That's Michael Jordan. Tim took eight years off and changed positions.

But what Tebow really is and has been for a long time is a great example of a real problem in America, that people no longer want the truth. They just want their version of the truth. You conservatives go to one channel. You liberals go to the other. You don't want the truth. You want your version of it. A little reminder that 99.5% of people currently on ventilators in hospitals in America are unvaccinated.

Sorry if that doesn't connect with your Reddit board info. Belichick cut Tebow. Belichick's close friends with Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer cut Tebow. He didn't want to do that. The Mets really wanted this to work. They really did. He hit 223 against double A pitching.

Listen, this is what we have in America. Everybody wants to point fingers. You have an agenda. You have an agenda. Nobody ever wants to look in the mirror and acknowledge they too have one. It's not an agenda when the other side is right. COVID is not the flu and Tebow can. can't play professional sports.

The agenda is not those ripping Tebow. And let's be honest, the criticism is usually soft-pedaled because he's a nice guy. He's hard not to like, but he got this tryout for one reason. Privilege. Nobody quits a sport eight years later gets an opportunity like nobody ever. It was a little privilege. And it didn't work. And Urban Meyer's a businessman, too, probably.

foremost, and he let him go. But Tebow's fans have always pointed fingers. Always done that. It's time to go to the bathroom. Those mirrors still work. We just don't like to use him anymore. Tebow's not a pro athlete.

He was never a pro athlete. He's a workout fanatic who's slow, bulky. It was never a pro athlete in America. He's a Saturday athlete. He's not a Sunday athlete. you can go into any gold gym in America and find a dozen Tim Tebow's.

They're probably just not as nice as Tim. It's over. It should be. And let's talk about Trevor Lawrence from this point forward. That's the future of the Jags. So we all knew. We talked a lot about when Tom Brady and Bill Belichick separated. Who won the divorce? There's no reason to rub it in.

I think we know who won the divorce. But do you think if you ask them privately? I saw there's a new book out talking about the Patriots dynasty. They're doing a lot of talking about the old days. Brady, it seems, is now winning in the current days. One's looking through the windshield. One keeps glancing back through the rearview mirror. That's what losers often do in a divorce.

Is there a franchise right now in the NFL that has a worst quarterback? situation than New England. Houston, Philadelphia, maybe Denver. Not Washington, Ryan Fitzpatrick's better than two alternatives right now. Frankly, he is. You have Cam, a former playmaker who's beat up physically in a shell of his former self. And then you have a kid with a low ceiling who's not really ready to play. We know that, but he may instead, Mac Jones. Let's be honest now, Bill Belichick, before Brady and after Brady is now 62 and 71 with a single playoff win. And New England's quarterback situation doesn't even make sense. Cam's a playmaker.

Mac Jones is non-athletic. At least in Cleveland, Baker Mayfield's the starter, in case Keenham is sort of a poor man's version of Baker Mayfield. That makes sense. They don't have to change the offense when he comes in. In Buffalo, Josh Allen's obviously the starter, but Mitch Trubisky is also very athletic. That makes sense.

New England's quarterback situation doesn't even make sense. Old beaten up guy who's erratic, not very accurate in a playmaker, and a guy who's the opposite. Yeah. It's harder than they thought. And now in the division, Buffalo has a significantly better quarterback situation and a roster. Miami has a steadier quarterback situation currently and a better roster. and the Jets have an outstanding GM, who is in the last two drafts proven he's better at drafting the college players than Belichick is.

Boy, did Tom Brady pick the perfect time to exit. He looked maybe at Buffalo's emergence. He knew how good Brian Flores would do down in Miami. He watched the previous two or three or five drafts with New England, tired of the arrogance of the system. here's Cam Newton being asked if Belichick has told him he is the starter I mean y'all sit up here asking silly questions to me and I'm looking at y'all with the same thing so I don't know what y'all want me to say you're like no you know that you know he hasn't said that so for you to just ask the question you know it is what it is so every single day I'm coming

out here with the anticipation to just get better and that's the only thing that I could do so I can control that I do know those things like that that I can't worry about because each and every day I don't necessarily care about who's starting. I mostly care about, you know, making sure that I put the best product out there for me. You know, as far as week one, we got so much to worry about prior to week one. And that's what my focus is right now. I have no idea who's starting for New England. And that in itself is a huge problem.

I'm not sure New England right now knows who's starting for New England. All right. So, you know, we've said this time and time again is, you know, every sport has a different culture. Like in baseball, guys sign 10-year contracts. They have a minor league system you can stay in for years, even if you're good. The NBA, in a perfect world, honestly, you could probably go from the high school to the NBA, but everybody's a little uncomfortable with it. but you can be good enough in high school to a year later to play in the NBA.

In the NFL, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need minimum three years in college. That's a man's league. We don't want you to get hurt. Every sport has a different culture. But in the NBA, something that is always true, always true, happened in Philadelphia, and they're getting burned because of it. And it is quite remarkable that people tried to make this thing that was always true, untrue, and it never is.

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control, visibility over your e-commerce, your financials, and more. Go to net suite.com slash herd, H-E-R-D right now. So the Philadelphia 76ers signed Joel M.B., the often injured but wildly talented center to a new contract and extension that gives him $196 million, and they're now locked in for about five years. This comes obviously with a major risk. He was drafted in 2014. he has played in less than 50% of the games, 48%.

And he was hurt in the playoffs last year. Philadelphia made the choice between Simmons and Embed, and they chose the employee who is there, the highly compensated employee, who is there less than half the time. But in situations like this, we should all learn from it, right? If you were a GM in this sport,

you'd look around and go, what's the trend? Here's the trend. It is a cautionary, tale of when you have two stars and they don't get along. And you know it before everybody else does because you hear about it on the plane. You hear about it from an assistant coach. You kind of see it in the locker room or at practice. Quietly get on the phone, call other teams and move them.

Because Philadelphia now is not going to get much for Ben Simmons. His indifference is frightening. he just doesn't appear to want to get better at his weaknesses, and Embed is always hurt. Everybody thought they could fix this thing, and it surfaced two years ago. Brian Calangelo was sure he could fix it. Nelton Brand was sure he could fix it,

and Sam Hinky was sure he could fix it. And of course they couldn't, because NBA history tells you, even recent history, when two stars have an issue and don't get along, it never works. Durant and Westbrook, we can fix it. Pippin and Berkeley and Shack. LeBron and Kyrie.

Chris Paul and Blake Griffin. Chris Paul and James Hardin. I could give you, I wrote six, seven down this morning. I could give you another eight. Find me the example of two stars that don't get along. This isn't like real life where you go to therapy or a marriage counseling. and you can get through things. There's intensity in sports.

Right? You get like eight years to make your money, eight years to hit it. You don't have 30 years to work on something. You got agents chirping in their ears. You got family members. You got coaches. You got shoe companies. The bottom line is when you see it going south and teams always see it

before guys like me see it, before the media sees it. You see it at practice. You hear it in the locker room. You always got a veteran or tour. two in the locker room that chirps to a coach. It's been great. You hear it on the plane. You see it on the plane.

I mean, and Biedon Simmons last year's All-Star game wouldn't share a private jet for two and a half hours to fly to the game. I mean, those guys fly big jets. You could sit in one side, one in the back, one of the front. No, I wouldn't do it. So this is another example. You know, I can sit here and criticize Philadelphia, but Daryl Morey took it over. Everybody tried to make it work.

Three different GMs. it didn't work. It never does. The NBA has got a lot of things I love about it. I talk about it all the time. But it is an ego league. Players now make millions in social media, eight figures in shoe deals,

eight, nine figures in basketball. They have power. It's always been a labor first league over a coaches or a GM's league. And when the stars don't get along, there's no real motivation to fix it. I'll just go elsewhere and make my money and be happier and be the guy on the team. So cautionary tale, the Sixers made their choice, and it comes with major risk. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Well, for the fourth time in the last six seasons, Alabama is first in the preseason AP top 25 poll. They took the top spot with 47 of the 63 first place votes coming off of their national championship. Here's a look at the rest of the top 10, Alabama won, followed by Oklahoma. Oklahoma, Clemson at three, Ohio State 4, Georgia, rounds up the top five. Texas A&M 6, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Notre Dame, and North Carolina.

Do you know Clemson faces one ranked team all year, and that is in their opener against Georgia? So whether or not I think Clemson is the best team, and you could certainly make an argument they are, they're going to end up in that playoff. So even if they lose to Georgia, they're going to run. role over the rest of their team. They'll probably have one or two close games. Syracuse, for some reason, Noah plays Clemson close. They have a good coach.

But that's the reality. We've talked about college football's number one issue, which is they don't have a CEO. Right. So they don't have a schedule maker like the NBA does or baseball or the MLS or hockey. Or UFC, by the way, Dana White makes the fight. So you get competitive fights. So Clemson plays one ranked team. That game's about a three-point swing either way.

I'd probably take Clemson because I love their quarterback and coach. But you kind of know, I'm going to fill in. Clemson is going to be in the playoff. I'm going to do that today. I don't know about everybody else, but Clemson's going to be in. Well, look, I also like Oklahoma's quarterback as well. Oh, he's great. So the one thing, have you seen the first week of college football, like the first

slate of games? Or the weekend after that or labor day? Yeah, like the opening weekends with like Clemson and. Georgia play and it's like Bama and Miami and it's pretty it's a pretty amazing weekend to start off yes and it'll be interesting I do love Clemson's quarterback as well DJ Owing Gulloley he played out here in Los Angeles he is an insane well we saw a little bit of him last year and you could see that he's he's got a lot of talent yeah he just his only issue is everything's a fastball he's got a he's got a learn a little tempo.

But in terms of talent, size, arm, you're like... And you got Spencer Rattler at Oklahoma, who I love. Probably go number one in the draft. Probably. We don't know who's going to be the quarterback at Ohio State yet. They're saying C.J. Stroud is winning the battle there. He of J.T. Daniels at Georgia and Bryce Young at Alabama. But I'm really excited for this college football season.

So Justin Fields had a strong first season game with the Bears last weekend. Also a very strong reception from Chicago. Bears fans. Matt Nagy is still committing to Andy Dalton as the team's week one quarterback, but he said Fields will be getting more time with the starters as they move forward in practice. You need to be able to see, okay, not even so much Adam to see that with his own players, because he gets some of that in practice right now. He's getting some of that, but also it can be good to see what he does versus the first team defense. You know, so when you combine both of those together, that's, again,

kind of part of the evaluation process. So yes, I'd say a little bit of that with his own players and then also who he's playing against. I understand you don't want to throw Justin Fields to the wolves, so to speak. The wolves. Week one. But he's got to go up against those wolves eventually. I know. And so this is how I look at it with rookie quarterbacks. Every other position that's drafted in the first round, you expect to play right away. Now you might not expect them to be fully developed. You might not expect them to come into the league and win offensive rookie of the year or be at what they're going to be in their fourth or fifth year with experience and those NFL calluses adjusting to the speed, all of that.

But you're a first round quarterback for a reason. It's because they need a quarterback. If they felt like Andy Dalton was the future of the team, they wouldn't have taken Justin Fields. So if you don't feel like Justin Fields is ready week one, he's not developed enough, he's not picking up the playbook, he hasn't adjusted to the speed, and he needs more reps in practice, fine.

You're the one seeing that. Right. But I just don't like this idea that they all need to be like coddled and you don't want him to go up against Aaron Donald. Like, he's going to go up against Aaron Donald eventually. So what is the, if it's one or two weeks, like are you really learning that much? Here's what I would say. When my kids get their license,

I don't advise them to jump on the 405 the first time they're behind the wheel. We teach him in an empty parking lot. We wait until it's like after six, seven at night. There's nobody in a business center parking lot. We drive around a lot. They know how to drive the car, but I don't want to say, hey, merge on to the 405 and learn how to drive. That's, I think, what quarterbacks is, listen, it's the hardest thing in American sports to do now. It used to be hit a baseball.

Now it's like play quarterback in the NFL as a rookie. Let go play. So it's not that he can't play. It's like we would like to ultimately not ruin you above the shoulders and have you gun shy because you get. So it's a matter of like the Patrick Mahom's situation I thought was wonderful. By the way, two of the best quarterbacks in the league, Rogers and Mahomes, kind of watched a mentor for a while. But that was a great mentor situation. Like Alex Smith is known for that.

I think Andy's a pretty good guy. But he also is demanding that he is the starter. Like he is saying he is the starter. And I get it. It's, it's competition, right? But it just, it doesn't feel the same as sitting behind Brett Farr. It doesn't feel the same as sitting behind someone like Alex Smith. Like, if you feel like your team is not good enough to protect a rookie quarterback,

like in a situation like Cincinnati, but they didn't have a choice, right? Like, okay, he's going to get injured. The offensive line isn't where it needs to be. We don't have enough pieces. So let's just keep the veteran out there until we feel like he's really ready to overcome that. Okay. Here's another example. Let me another example.

UFC. You don't just throw a guy in with Connor McGregor. Like you have him fight tomato can, tomato can. And all of a sudden, like your eighth fight, you give him a real fight, but one, he should win. If you think he's talented, like, we're going to give you a guy that's going to hit you back. And then by about your 12th fight, you're like, okay, now we're going to put you in the case. We don't know what's going to happen in the octagon. So maybe it's because I'm a parent. I always err on the side of, we've got time here. Let's let this thing breathe. Yeah. That's me as a parent. I'm an auntie. I'm like, get out there and figure it out.

I'll buy you some ice cream afterwards. You'll be all right. So the Eagles have not officially named Jalen Hertz, the team starter. But the rest of the players have rallied around him as the star. Reports from Camp is that there's a fast-growing sentiment that Hertz is undoubtedly viewed as the franchise quarterback by his teammates. Who the hells are flacco? Who is the backup? That is.

I think it's flacco. It's flacco, yeah. So his work ethics, intangibles, is an overall skill, have captured the locker room. allegedly, and players have been consistently blown away by him on and off the field. Now, I talked about this last week where I don't really understand what the hesitation is with saying that Jalen Hurts is a starter because Flacco is your backup. Now this situation, to me, is an obvious one. Well, Jaylon is also in his second year.

And there's really not a competent quarterback behind him. Competent. Flacco's done. He's washed. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I guess I would put Andy Dalton slightly above Flacco. Okay. The other thing is Chicago, has been a playoff team recently. Philadelphia is a mess. They're a fourth place team. So I got nothing to lose. Well, you can't tell Philadelphia that. They're in a rebuilding situation. They've been for two years. But I think in Philadelphia's case, we're not a Super Bowl team, okay? We're not probably a playoff team. Let's get the young guy ready. I think Chicago looks at themselves and says,

we finished eight and eight last year, and we got a way better quarterback this year. I think Chicago looks at themselves as let's not lose early. But that's kind of the situation that Miami was in last year. with Tua. You have Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's a competent quarterback, right? We know he's not the future, but he's competent. And then you have a young guy coming in and you do this like seesaw thing where like, are you going to make the playoffs? Do you feel like you can win multiple playoff games with Andy Dullen? No. So what is the value of not getting a full evaluation and giving Justin Fields that extra experience? If you feel like he's going to fall apart, then you probably pick the wrong guy, no?

Well, that depends on if you feel that you can get any evaluation out of scrimmages and practice and preseason, which I think teams do. If you don't feel you can get any evaluation beyond a game, then just play them. But I do think coaches feel, I mean, you've got to make cuts all the time. So you're getting something out of scrimmages. You're getting something out of practice. Some evaluation. We got some evaluation from Jacksonville.

So, yeah, you're right. Oh, okay. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. All right. I got a lot of stuff today.

I'm going to blow you away at the top of the next hour. It's blind resume. We do blind resume about three times a year, four times a year. And it takes away, it's surprising to me. I don't have the answers on all this stuff. So a lot of times the staff will do it and not tell me who they're going to unveil. And it's fun because it's like, wow. You learn something, right?

You find a little treasure of information. With that, we go to Mark Schlereth, brought to you by Mercedes Benz, the best or nothing. By the way, we were just talking about Justin Fields. and I use as a dad, I use the example of, I teach my kid out of drive. I don't ask them to go in the 405. We go to a parking lot of a big insurance firm at night. There's nobody there in a thousand.

And we drive around through the, you know. And so I look at Justin Fields and I'm like, Rams on the road, best defense opener. Let's give Andy that one. But am I wrong? Should we just throw Justin Fields out there? No, I don't think you're wrong, Colin. I mean, I always look at it like there's so many more things that go into making that decision. Preseason games are great, really joint practices, what you do in practice.

That's where a lot of the learning and where a lot of the evaluation, you know, basically bears out. And I think one thing that you have to understand is as a rookie quarterback, especially coming out of the college game, where you didn't command a huddle, you didn't call plays in the huddle. You know, you look over to the sideline and you got red bar and chicken. and you run Red Barn Chicken, right? I mean, that's part of the learning curve. The other thing is, do you understand the protections? Do you know how to get out of a bad play?

Can you call the play and then go through your progressions, read the defense and make sure you know where everybody is, you know, pre-snap, post-snap, they change. There's a lot that goes into this. And I will tell you one thing that doesn't get made, not a lot of people make a big deal out of it, but it's a huge deal. If you're not great with your cadence,

that's the one weapon we have as an office. offense is cadence. Offense is based on rhythm, rhythm of cadence. The quarterback controls that. If you've always been in shotgun and clapped your hands and you don't have that, there's a large portion. There's 10 guys that aren't on the same page and you can't have. You just can't have success.

So just keep this in mind when you're thinking about preseason, you're watching these young quarterbacks. Just remember there are two teams that win 016 in this league, right? The 2008 Detroit Lions and the 2017 Cleveland, Browns. They were both four and oh in the preseason, both of those teams. So let's just, you know, pump our breaks on the rookies. They'll get their opportunity. But right now, who gives you the best chance to win if you're Matt Nagy in Chicago? And it's probably Andy Dalton. I'm not saying long term, but in the short term. Listen, we don't have to talk about this forever, but

on the Tebow situation. My takeaway has always been great kid, but it's really hard to make the NFL. And you can be a great player on Saturday. A great player. Tebow's probably the biggest star in the history of the SEC. And suddenly you go, I mean, Reggie Bush is the best running back I've ever seen in the Pac-12. But he wasn't the biggest star running back in the NFL. Like, Saturdays are different than Sundays.

And, but I did think all of his opportunities, like the baseball one I got, the football stuff, listen, they put him in the first round. Denver's going to make it work, right? Or try to. This one felt like kind of a reach to me. I mean, it's hard to block for blockers. it's really hard to block for former quarterbacks. So I just didn't, I thought this was a little bit, a little silly.

That was my interpretation. What did you make of him getting cut this morning? And what did you make of the opportunity? Well, I think, I think I'm with you on the opportunity. He got an opportunity because he has a relationship. There's no greater skill in football than moving a man from point A to point B against his will. It's not natural, right? It's something that you have to constantly work on.

and it's a skill like any other skill. You don't create movement on the line of scrimmage. You don't create any of that stuff because, you know, you're just, you're bigger, bader and stronger. Everybody's big. Everybody's bad. Everybody's strong. Everybody has bad intentions.

So it comes down to your footwork, your technique, you know, foot strike, ankle over foot, knee over ankle, hip over knee. That's how you create leverage and you strike an up, not out. And all those things, I mean, it's the time. it's the sequencing of your feet. All those things are exceptionally hard to do. And you know, you're not going to come out at 34 when you've never done it. It's not natural and say, oh, I'm going to, you know, here I go. Let's go out there and do this. So I thought that was a bit of a gimmick, but that's the relationship he and Urban Meyer had. I thought Urban Meyer needed to make this move just to

gain credibility in his own locker room. Yeah. I mean, he hired, he hired the coach that had a background, an issue. They had to fire that guy. He's come out and drafted a guy for first overall in Trevor Lawrence and he's still saying, well, it's a quarterback battle. And you're like, come on. Do you guys do you guys do Jacksonville freaking Jaguars? There's no quarterback battle going on there. So I just thought, come out, be honest. And for your players, when you see a guy that doesn't belong, if you continue to string that guy along, then the players in your own locker room look at you like, this guy has no clue what he's doing. So I thought from a credibility standpoint, Urban Meyer did what he had to do. And that

was, you know, to let Tebow go. You know, I thought Tray Lance situation was interesting this weekend. I said every quarterback I watched, and I'll include Jordan Love in the rookie class, though he's not because I just hadn't seen him. So six different guys, they all showed me something. All of them showed me like, oh, that's why he's the first round quarterback. All of them. But the one thing I did see from all the rookie quarterbacks, when I looked at Tray Lance,

I'm like, okay, in the last 580 days, he's completed 20 passes. Like, he needs to be in the batting cage. Like, he really, and it's not a knock on him because I think he has great potential. But that was the one young guy. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, he's not ready. That division's too good. He's not ready yet. Your thoughts on what you saw with him.

Yeah, no, I, like, I'm with you on that. I think Trey Lance obviously has unbelievable talent, right? Yes. You know what talent does or talent. gives you an opportunity. That's all talent does. It gives you an opportunity. You know, I always joke around that talents waste it on talented people, right? So my deal is the talent gives you the opportunity. It's the work and who you are that either makes it or breaks it for you. If you're willing to put in the root work and to understand and recognize that I have been blessed by the

hand of God to have this talent, but that entitles me to an opportunity. That's it. And now I have to go to work. And so much of playing quarterback is from the neck up, so much more than it is from the neck down. And we've seen it. The guy who's dominated this league for 20 plus years is Tom Brady. That guy couldn't beat me in a foot race. I mean, well, maybe he could beat me, but it couldn't beat you calling in a foot race. I guarantee, and he couldn't, I guarantee he can't beat joy in a foot race either. So it's not about athleticism, although athleticism is the easiest thing to see. And it really is about the nuance of play calling the nuance. of getting a quarterback in a position and the nuance of that guy understanding, you know,

what you see in preseason, and you should be good in preseason, because what they show you in pre-snap is what they show you in post-snap. And so it makes the reads easy. When you get in the regular season, what you see pre-snap is never what they play post-snap, ever. Right. And so there's a difference, right? You have to be able to adjust. You turn your back to the defense. You flip it, you know, you flip it back around. Are they in something completely different? Can you diagnose that in 2001 and understand where each guy in that particular coverage is supposed to be, where are my hook defenders, where are my curl defenders, who's my flat defender? What does it look like on the other side?

If I get it on this side, what does it look like on the other side? You got to process that in under a second and then make the right decision. That is, I mean, it's so incredibly tough. All the positions are tough. But the quarterback position is, it's ridiculous what those guys are asked to do and what they're asked to process. Okay, the big lob-sided game of the weekend, you do morning radio in Denver,

the Broncos dismantled Minnesota. You've got, because we've said before, we know they're talented. They've got all sorts of offensive weapons. Who's going to start at quarterback? Who would you start at quarterback? And what did you make this weekend?

Yeah, it was a big weekend. And obviously, you know, Drew Locke looked phenomenal. And again, part of that is, you know, what you saw pre-snap is exactly what you got post-snap, right?

And he made some great throws. Don't get me wrong. Take away the 80-yard post anybody can any quarterback like any quarterback in the league will make that throw. That's one of the easiest throws in football. There were some layered routes and there were some opportunities for Drew Locke to go, you know, from his first read to a second read all the way back to a third read, complete one to Jerry Judy on a third down, get some blocking downfield and make an explosive

play. So there were a lot of really, really good things. I think I always weigh this kind of differently. I want to see him come out in Seattle as the number two and how he plays. Because you look at the way he played, he almost put, you know, the knockout punch. Teddy just came in after that and was steady Eddie really good, did exactly what he was asked to do, didn't try to make, you know, make the team or make the decision for the coaches in one play. And how does Drew respond?

If Teddy goes out and plays really well, does Drew respond by panicking and trying to, you know, trying to make the big play and instead make the big mistake? Or does he approach it like Teddy? I think this week obviously is huge. Right now, if I were grading it because you're a coach who has never won a game. Again, I'll repeat, you're a coach in Vic Fangio that's never won a game in September. Right. I mean, what's the song, Wake Me Up when September ends?

I mean, at some point, right? At some point, you got to say, who gives us the best chance to win? We open up with the Giants, and the Giants are one of the most complex defenses, especially on their back end in football, does Teddy give us the best chance to win? So right now I would say Teddy has a very slight advantage, but obviously Drew Locke is exceptionally talented. I think he's matured and he has taken on the study.

And I think this competition has been the best thing for him, not to be anointed but have to go out there and fight for a position. Mark Schlereth, three Super Bowl rings. Good seeing you, buddy. Likewise, man. Take care. See you guys. Broncos look great.

By the way, I'm not quite ready to do the greatest segment I've done in a month, but I'm very close. I'll do it at the very top of the hour. And I'm getting very close. Remember, I lay out my NFL predictions, all the standings, and I get two amendments. Not two teams, but I get two days where I get to go, okay, I'm going to make changes. I don't get just two changes. It's not like I say, I'm going to give the Jets to win and Denver loss. I get two opportunities to amend my initial.

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Kind of a silly reach. Urban Meyer quickly moved off it and Urban Meyer loves the guy. Let's be honest about the Tebow story. It is mostly a southern story. now. Initially, it was a national story. The baseball story was, you know, mostly people in the South defending him. It is now mostly an SEC story. That's the only group of people who are still really defending him. You know, today they want to talk about other stuff. Tim Tebow got cut, period. End of story. It's not about any other quarterback or any other team. That's the story today, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. But I think part of why the South has always struggled with Tebow is because the SEC defines the the South's football passion. They love the SEC, and it's the best football conference, and they love their Saturdays more than they love their Sundays. But Tim Tebow is another example, and there's lots of them, of a great Saturday player who is never close to being a Sunday

player. Let's take the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And Tebow's the biggest star in the SEC. There is no second place. There is literally no second place. If you say Johnny Mansell, you're kidding yourself. He's the biggest star in the SEC times 10. No other conference has a player that defines culturally and playing more than its conference than Tebow in the South. He's a great, great, great, great, all great. Leader, player, great, great, great. But Saturdays aren't Sundays. And I'll give you an example.

Let's look at the best team in football, easily the best roster, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Here's where they're 10 big players, they're really go-to guys. went to college. Their quarterback went to Michigan from the Big Ten. Their best running backs a pack 12 guy. Ronald Jones easily their best back. Their best receiver. You can say Mike Evans went to the SEC, but he originally signed with Texas A&M when they were in the Big 12. Chris Godwin Big Ten, Gronk, Pack 12, Tristan Wirth's Big Ten, Ali Marpet, Liberty League. It's a division three, Hobart. Devin White's, they're one great player, SEC, L.S. Levanti, David, Big Ten, Big 12, Shaq Barrett, Mountain West.

That's the most talented football team in the NFL. One true SEC guy, Devin White. Because Mike Evans signed with A&M when they were a Big 12 team. They transitioned, so did he to the SEC. Like, if college football was the NFL, then why have the last 10 quarterbacks who have played in the Super Bowl, none have been from the SEC. The 14 quarterbacks who made the playoffs last year, none were from the SEC. That's Saturday football.

The last five MVP's of the NFL quarterbacked at Cal, Louisville, Texas, Tech, Michigan, and Boston College. The three greatest wide receivers I've ever seen went to Mississippi Valley State, Tennessee, Chattanooga, and Marshall. Okay? Walter Payton's the best running back I've ever seen. I think he went to Jackson State. Saturday is not Sunday. And Tebow is the greatest SEC player ever. He's the most important. He's the most disgust.

He sold the most merchandise. He is the most everything. And he's a really good guy. But being a star on Saturday doesn't mean much. Half of Nick Sabin's guys that go to the NFL, underachieve, get cut, can't play or overpaid. and they're easily the most dominant college football program I've ever seen for a decade. So don't take it personally.

Big on Saturday does not mean great on Sunday. Look around this league. A majority of the best tight end went to Cincinnati. The best quarterbacks went to Cal, Wisconsin, backed up at Michigan, Texas Tech, Wyoming, Oregon. Saturday matters too. Just not for the Sunday lead. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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