The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/18/2021 - HOUR 3 - Bears, playoffs

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We've said this before. One of the things that's really amazing about the NFL is how many players drafted late in the draft? Go on to be great players. Antoine Bethay, Super Bowl champ, just retired. Last team he played for was the New York Giants. He ended up going to three pro bowls. He was a six-round pick. Nobody offered him a scally.

He goes to Howard, and he just grinds it into a great career. He had eight years with 100-plus tackles. That is massive production. And he wrote a book called Bet on Yourself Inside the Mind of the Ultimate Underdog, and he's also got a podcast, the man-to-man pod with Darius Butler, who we just had on. And again, he'd just six-round pick at a Howard. seven playoff appearances in 14 years, Antoine Betha. Bithea for years and years, I called him Antoine Bitha.

And it's not. And he's French. And I just found that out. And he's joining us live. Antoine? What's going on? You're such an underdog. I called you by the wrong name for years.

It's your life story. Yeah, you're not the first or the last. So let me just start with this because you announced your retirement after last year, and you played, I think, 16 games back in 2019 with the Giants. So let me ask you about Daniel Jones, because we got into this conversation about the Giants earlier in the show today. I love the roster. I don't love the offensive line. And Daniel Jones scares me to death.

He's got a fumble problem. You tell me as somebody who's played with the best, you played with Eli, you played with Peyton. What do you like about Daniel Jones? Why should I believe in him? Man, I think Daniel Jones has all the intangibles, right? So like you said, I think he does struggle with holding on to the ball. Obviously, you know, the quarterback's coach that he's worked with in the past, work with Payton, work with Eli. So definitely that's something that he has to, he has to improve on.

If that team wants to win, if that offense wants to be good, he has to protect the ball. But he's agile. He can move. He can beat you with his legs. He can beat you with his arm. He's very smart. So that's why I still have confidence in DJ. I have confidence in DJ.

I think this year he will get over that hump. I hope he gets over that hump. But like you said, he does have to fix that problem as far as holding on to the board. All right. So when you look, Jamal Adams just got the bag. Right. I think he is generally in this league, not a lot, make big money. when guys get paid, right?

So you see you just had Justin Simmons get paid. You see Buda Baker get paid, and you see Jamo Adams just got paid. So what he does for that defense, what he does for the Seattle Seahawks, he's worth it. You know, if you put him in another scheme, maybe not.

But what he does for that defense, what he brings to that defense, rushing the quarterback, he has, I think, 20 plus sacks. He's worth it, man, and he's a baller. You know, he's always around the ball, and he's a difference maker. Yeah, he's a quarterback.

He was on special teams in his Jets career. They put him at linebacker a lot. So he's a guy Seattle didn't have a lot of playmakers defensively, and he certainly qualifies as that. So, you know, I was watching Hard Knocks last night, and the best compliment I could give the Cowboys, Antoine, is they're boring. And I do think boring teams that do the minutia well

and aren't that noisy end up being a lot of the better teams. Take me to your career with the Colts, Niners, Cardinals, Giants. Were you ever in a noisy locker room? I was not. I was not. I think in my entire career, we was, you know, the locker rooms I was in, we were really mellow, especially in our cold days. You know, we went about our business as we should, and we were good.

Other places, we were mellow. The records weren't as good as we were in Indy. But like you said, I think a lot of times the noisy locker room could be bad. could be detrimental depending on the guys you have in the locker room. Obviously, you have great leadership as far as coaching staff and veteran players. You can kind of overcome that. But what you just said with the Cowboys being born, it might be a good thing for them this year. By the way, you were on those Tony Dungee teams and those Peyton Manning teams.

Those were as good as anybody in the league for about eight years. What was that experience like? Peyton just got into the Hall of Fame. What were those years like? What was expected of you every day? To come to work and be a pro, right? So at an early age, as a rookie, being able to come in that building, seeing Reggie Wayne, a Marvin Harrison, a Peyton Man,

and you've seen how those guys came to work every day. So as a young cat, all I had to do was follow them, right? And then as my career went on, it was like, look, you know, I was taught about some of the best, like Future Hall of Fame. So, again, it was Coach Dunjie. He's going to treat you like a man. I expect you to come and do your job and as players, we run through a wall

for Coast Dungey. So again, man, it was every day come in, do your job, go home, you know, be a pro's pro on the field and off the field. You know, it's interesting. So you had Tony Dungey, very soft-spoken, defensive guy, totally mellow.

You also had Bruce Ariens. He likes to party. He's got, he can be crazy. Did you ever appreciate, I mean, you love Dungey, Did you appreciate Aryan style, which is the opposite of Dungey? Of course. So we had, he was an interim head coach when Chuck Pagano, you know, went through his, you know, his cancer situation.

Yeah. Exactly. And then I had a BA also when I was in Arizona. And I appreciated both. I appreciated Coach Dungey, you know, more mellow at NBA. You know, he was with talk trash to you. And like you said, he was very. very upbeat, but what you can say about both of those guys is that, you know, they love their players, right?

They love football. And I think that's what guys respect about BA and Coach Dungey. Like, they're going to treat you like men. They're going to keep it honest with you. They're going to keep it a hundred with you. And as a player, that's all you can ask for in head coach. So we've got a bunch of rookie quarterbacks right now. We got Zach Wilson. We got Jordan Love kind of qualifies Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mack Jones. So take me to your NFL career. Go back and look at all the quarterbacks you had. What is something, as a defensive player, Antoine,

what is something that if you see it from any of these young quarterbacks, let's start with a negative, that you're going to go, uh-oh, that's a bad habit or a bad sign. What's something in your career that if you saw a young quarterback get into something, it may be a habit, it may be a tendency, that is not good? Playing a safety position, right? A lot of times you have those young quarterbacks

and they stare down their targets, right? So as safety, as a DB, as a defender, that's what you love. But, you know, on the other side, you don't want your rookie quarterback just going in and pre-snap already knowing where he's going as far as standing down receiver. So obviously, you know, as a rookie,

you can come in, the game is going to be much faster. defensive coordinator is they're going to be scheming up, scheming things up for a young quarterback, what that quarterback hasn't seen yet in the league. So it's going to be a lot of things that are going to be thrown at that rookie quarterback. But as a safety, as a defender, I would love going against rookie quarterbacks, because they would tell me 90% of the time where they were going with the ball. Okay. So now take all those young quarterbacks.

What is something you will see with them and go, okay, he's got it. That's a quality that you admire. with young quarterbacks, and it was usually a sign they were going to be successful. So I'm going to go back to the rookie quarterback when I was in the Andrew Luck, right? So Andrew Luck, just the way I think that way at Stanford, he couldn't attend the OTAs in the spring, right? So he came to, I think it was a minicamp. And when he came to minicamp, he knew the whole playbook. He was moving guys. He was lining guys up. And at that time, I'm like, oh, mine, this guy is special.

So when a quarterback can come in and from the shoulder up mentally he has it, that's when, you know, you know you have something special because a lot of these quarterbacks, they're going to be able to throw the ball, they'll be able to run. They'll be able to, you know, do a lot of stuff. But from the shoulder up mentally, if they can have it, then you know you have something special. By the way, you know, you played Colts, you played Niners, you played Cardinals, you played Giants. I want to talk Niners. So Garoppolo was 24 and 8 as a start.

Jimmy's good. Yeah. Okay, injury prone, but good. Trey Lance, in the last 580 days, has completed 20 passes. Right. I know that Trey's great. If you ran that organization, what would you do with their quarterback situation? Jimmy G is my quarterback.

I'm not rushing Trey Lance to play the position. Like you said, Jimmy G, he's injury prone, but his record shows that he's a good quarterback in the NFL. Obviously, you draft Tray Lance for a reason, you draft him that high for a reason, but I'm not rushing them out there. Now, if it's a situation where Jimmy G., he goes in this year and he's not playing well, then the young guy, he gets his shot. But going into this first game, Jimmy G's my quarterback, and I'm rocking with him until, you know, some drastic happens. So Jimmy G. is still in his athletic prime. Andy Dalton isn't. What would you do in Chicago with a clearly more talented Justin Fields?

But, I mean, Dalton's always been as good as, you know, he's gotten to the playoffs before. In that instance, I don't know what Dalton isn't as good as Garoppola. What would you do if you coach the Bears? Would you go with the kid or the veteran? I'm going with the veteran. I'm going with the veteran, especially with the defense I have on that side of the ball. I know when the defense is going to keep me in games, right? So, again, going to go with the young guy.

You can go through some growing pains. go through some interceptions. You're going to go through some different things where Andy Dolan, he's a vet, he's seen a lot. Again, like you say, he's not as good as Jimmy G. But I just don't think personally Justin Fields is ready to take the snap on the first game. Again, this could be a situation where week six, week seven, you can put Justin Fields in the game and he could be your number one quarterback, but starting week one, I'm going with the veteran and I'm sticking with Andy Dawkins. So here you go. So here's a pro bowl safety. He's like, go with the old guys.

See, he's seen all these things. He's watching their eyes. What did you say to start this interview? You said 90% of the time with the rookie quarterback, you knew exactly where they were going. Yeah. Now, you'll have your exceptions of the rule, right? Where a rookie quarterback comes in, he's just ahead of his time. He's ahead of that learning curve.

But right now, I will stick with the veterans until, like I said, something drastic happens. The man-to-man pod with Darius Butler. Antoine Great Sine you. Congrats on all your success. And send me that book. I want to read it. I got you, my man. Appreciate it.

All right, good stuff. See, look at that. There's a Pro Bowl safety. He's like, no, no, no, go with the old guys of gray hair. Well, Andy's case, red hair. Andy's got, by the way, Andy Dalton, he got good genetics. That dude's got hair. He is a, this weekend he was wearing the beard.

He's got a lot of hair. He does. And it's pewter. It's a darker red hair. There's something about Andy Dahl. A lot of times red hair. See, my wife's got red hair. I think red hairs.

I have a lot of redheads in my family. Oh, I have the red hair. Your sister has red hair. Love redheads. But as quarterback, there's not a lot of great redheaded quarterbacks. But Andy's is very, it's got a... He has a lot of hair. Oh, this weekend is just, it was not Ryan Fitzpatrick, but he had excess hair.

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Owee, it's time for some tea. Oh, is this the tape we've been talking about? Yes. Oh, boy, this can get a lot of people in trouble. Everyone's talking about this. But right now, hide the kids.

Put the pets in the other room. concentrate as an adult. This is very dramatic stuff. We're about to drop on you. So Kevin Durant and Draymond Green reunited for an interview for Bleach Report to talk about Durant's decision to leave the Warriors. So the sit down was highlighted by a discussion about their infamous fight back in 2018. And Draymond asked KD if that incident is what ultimately led him to leave the team.

It wasn't the argument. It was the way that everybody, Steve Kerr, act like. didn't happen. Bob Myers and tried to just discipline you and think that that would put the mask over everything. I really felt like that was such a big situation for us as a group. The first time we went through something like that, we had to get that shit all out. We met the next morning and they said, all right, you slept on it. You're ready to apologize. And I told them right then and there, I said, y'all about to fuck this up. I said, the only person that can make this right is me and k and there's nothing that y'all can do and y'all are going to

this up and in my opinion they f***ed it up i think so too and they told me right then and they're like we're going to suspend you for this game i laughed in their face literally laughed in their face well i'm sure the warriors just i love that so they had their big issues and according to the Draymond Green podcast, very fascinating. They had the interview and so Kerr and Bob Meyer sat him down after the game for 90 minutes and said... Yeah, we had to cut this down a little bit. They also talked to him immediately after the game. 90 minutes.

And said, apologize. And he wouldn't do it. And then the next morning, he just said, another hour 45 and they were going to make, essentially make him apologize. And the interesting thing about this interview is they both came, like he asked. asked him, asked KD, like, was this the reason why? And he said what he said, which is they got too involved. And Dremont said that he told them, you guys are getting too involved. So look, first things first, when, give us a break.

All right, this was a big deal. All the fans are like, it's not a big deal. You guys are being so dramatic. It was a huge deal within the organization. I mean, here we are. Here we are. That was 2018. It's 2021.

And they're doing interviews about it. So maybe it was a little bit of a big deal. But I do agree with both of them if that's how they see it. Sometimes things have to be settled in the locker room. KD talked about when Scotty brought himself out of the game. Scottie Pippen. And his teammates said, hey, we didn't appreciate you doing that. Yeah, after the game, Scottie Pippen took himself out of the game.

In the locker room, they all called Scotty out. And the coaches were, you know, players. Sometimes the coach and the GM don't need to be involved in it. And that takes leadership within the locker room to work and hash those things out. So my takeaway is Kerr and Bob Meyer understood it was a real thing. Right. They didn't go home and drive their Mercedes home and go, you know, they sat down with Draymond and said, you got to go apologize.

Like that's not, because they heard obviously what he said. And Dreia's like, just let us figure it out. At that point, I think if I was Kerr, Bob Myers, so do you go to KD and say, we talked to him? We asked him. He wants to work it out with you. See, I don't know if this happened or not. not. If I went to Draymond, if I was, let's say I'm Steve Kerr. And I talk, I wouldn't talk for

90 minutes for anything. But if I went 90 minutes, I do not think I demand he apologize. I always think the better, just ask what? What were you thinking? What is your resolution? What is your plan? Don't ask why. Why is threatening? Ask what? What did you say? What led you to say it? What is your resolution? What's going to fix it? And just let Draymond talk. and then I would have to I'd sleep. I would sleep on it. I would go to Steph Curry.

Oh, that's a good call. That's what I would do. I'd talk to Draymond, of course, but I would go to Steph Curry. And if Steph said, and maybe this happened, who knows, we're not hearing from Steph, if Steph said, let them handle it, then I let them handle it.

But at least I have removed the responsibility in that I have addressed it with the leaders of the team. I have talked to Jemann. I have talked to Steph and let them handle it. They're grown men. and if Draymond's saying, you know, this is my team as well. Like I am the soul of this team, which he's not saying, but we all know he is. Like he is the energy that is on that team.

Oh yeah. He's kind of, you know, it's funny. I've always said he's the bouncer at the cool nightclub. Like everything has to go through the bouncer. Everything goes through Draymond. So he created the situation. Let him fix it. And if you've talked to him and he've talked to Steph and then eventually you talk to KD and they can't fix it, then you get involved.

But they both said the same thing. You guys were the ones that messed it. up. Like you you got too involved in the situation that we needed to hash out. We need to have these authentic conversations amongst ourselves as a team and let it go. I mean, you see this in family. Sometimes everyone's to sit down and make everybody talk and everyone's not quite ready to talk and then it gets more confrontational and then people get really set in their position because they feel like they're being attacked. It's like sometimes you have to let stuff have a little air. We're adults. They know what's at stake here and sort it out. I don't think

it's an indictment of Steve Kerr. I don't think they love it that this has come out in this interview so openly, but... I got to tell you, you know, Dremon has often been compared to Rodman in terms of the tough

guy, the rebound guy, does the dirty work stuff. The difference is I find Dremon highly functional whereas Rodman was just off the reservation. I mean, literally he's leaving the team. With Dremon, I do feel like, I never felt Rodman was the soul of the bulls.

I just thought he was a valuable component. I think if Draymond told me, we'll figure it out, I'd be like good with it. I think you have to address it with him. You have to talk to him about it. Oh, no question. But I do think you have to then trust what he's going to do. Now, if it lingers for a couple weeks and you go back to him

and he's like, I didn't do anything about it, then that's different. But if he says, let it be. Like, let us sort it out, let us handle it. Give him some air. Give me some air. And we'll figure it out. but it's a very interesting interview. There's a lot more in there too.

So the Giants and Browns are holding joint practices this week ahead of their preseason matchup on Sunday, which means Odell Beckham will be around his old team. New York traded Odell to Cleveland in 2019 for Gibreel Peppers and two draft picks that became defensive tackle, Dexter Lawrence, and Edge Rusher O'Shae's Zeminis. And GM Dame Gettelman said he's happy with the trade

and the guys that they got in return. So he is not unhappy with the move. Well, Dexter Lawrence has been a great young player. So I think if Cleveland's happy with it, I would say in terms of total snaps played, the Giants won the trade. Well, yeah, he played 59 games with the Giants and 23 so far with the Browns. He obviously had a lot more numbers with the Giants who was there longer. But, you know, I think with trades, sometimes we try to measure things up and was this a good trade and who won? and unless it's just a complete and utter obvious disaster.

I don't think that that's how you should approach trades. A lot of times teams get just paralyzed, but are we going to win this trade? And you see this a lot in the NBA and fans react to it. It's like, give it a couple years. And that doesn't mean it's an indictment of O'Dell. O'Dell could have an incredible year this season. That doesn't mean the Giants made a mistake.

Listen, the Jets got two first round picks for Jamal Adams, right? And I could be wrong on this, but didn't they just get Austin Vera Tucker, the guard from USC with one of those picks? I think because they had two early picks. They got Zach Wilson. Okay, if that kid is as good as everybody says,

they've got McKay Beckton, Mikhail Beckton, the left tackle, Austin Vera Tucker. Those could be pro-bowl offensive linemen protecting Zach Wilson, which Sam Darnold never had. Right. So for them,

they gave up Jamal Adams. What's the most valuable position quarterback? What's the most valuable thing to do with quarterback? Protect him. So the Jets lost a playmaker defensively, but their D-line is so good. They're not desperate at safety because their D-line blows stuff up. So the Seahawks needed a playmaker. The Jets needed picks.

So that's a classic example of Jets did fine in that trade, and so did Seattle. Yeah, sometimes it's just a matter of need in where you are as an organization. Everybody doesn't have to win everything. So the Bears are obviously very excited about Justin Fields. and Andy Dalton came to Chicago, set on being the starting quarterback, and he is not focusing on any of the hype around his teammate. Oh, boy. I know who I am.

I know who I was created to be. I know where my identity lies. And so do I want the fans behind me and this team and all that kind of stuff? Yes, do I want them behind Justin? Absolutely, I do. Justin's going to have his time, and Justin's going to have a great career. But right now it's my time. And so my focus is on being the best player I can be for this team

and do everything I can to help this team win. By the way, when you look at him and Justin, look at the shoulders on Dalton. That's a bad old line. I'm throwing this out there. Look at Andy Dalton's shoulders. And look at Justin Fields. You're playing the Rams.

If there's four sacks, that's why I want Andy Dalton. Andy is a big, big man. I just wonder how that's being received. received in Chicago. How is it being received? I don't know. This is new.

But, you know, this is my time. I was, like, really dug in on him being the starter. Oh, I love football. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Okay, my NFL playoff confidence meter next.

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So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?

Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase

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Go to MDrive for Men.com. Free shipping, by the way, 60 day money back guarantee. So we're going to call it the confidence meter, Joy. So you will name an NFL team. One, zero being I have no confidence at all that they'll make the playoffs. 10 being the chiefs, 10 being almost there is no 10 because we have a regulated level of violence in the NFL. But I honestly do believe even without Mahomes, they'd be in the running in that division. So it's confidence meter time.

here we go. Okay. How confident are you that the Steelers will make the playoffs? Right in the middle five. So they've never had a losing season with Mike Tomlin. But they had the 31st ranked offensive line last year, the worst rushing offense in the NFL last season. So what you're asking me is do I trust Big Ben perhaps on his final year to throw it 45 times a game? Naji Harris is a very nice piece. But they got to rebuild that. O line. Now, they're trying to. They've had guys graded very highly in their first game or two preseason. I think they've played two, maybe one or two. So I would say five. Okay. How confident are you that the Patriots will make the playoffs?

Five to five and a half. I don't like their quarterback situation. One guy feels he's past his prime. The other guy is not ready. They spent the most money in the league on free agency, and this is not an easy situation or offense to get your arms around. I do think Nelson Aguilar has always been a tad underrated. He can have the drops. But the division is, is really, really viable now. Buffalo and Miami are no joke. So I'm right in the middle, five to five and a half. Speaking of Miami, the Dolphins.

Seven. They were a 10-win team last year, and they got significantly better at wide receiver, Jalen Waddle and Will Fuller. They also picked up running back Malcolm Brown. He'll be a two-back, but he's a powerback. They were nine and three over their last 12 games. They looked spectacularly well-coached. How about the Browns?

I would say eight, seven and a half to eight. best offensive line in football and one of three teams returning all 11 starters on offense, the bucks and the cowboys are the other. So I get continuity, I get an excellent young coach, and the best offensive line in football,

eight to eight and a half. How confident are you that the Raiders will make the playoffs? Zero. They lost three offensive line starters. They've played just one playoff game in the last 18 years, so they got cultural issues, and they face the NFL's

toughest schedule. How confident are you in the Chargers making the playoffs? Six. Everybody else is like nine, six. First of all, the end of the year in a four-game winning streak. That helps for a young quarterback. They have four new starters in the offensive lining, including a pro bowler at center. They have a new coach.

I haven't seen him play, so I can't do better than six. Justin Herbert with protection feels like he finds a way to make the playoffs. How about the Cowboys? five because I have no idea if any of these defensive draft picks are going to hit. They were 0 and 7 against teams that reached the playoffs last year. So they're issuing the last couple years, Joy, they're not beating good teams. They're beating Philadelphia. They're beating the Giants.

They beat Washington. They're not beating good teams. And I do have concerns over the last two weeks about that second MRI for DAC. It's something, I would have been about six a week ago, and back to five. How about the Bears? Two. Did not like the way they ended the season. Last 10 games, they were 3 and 7.

Matt Nagy's been a 50-50 coach so far in the league. And let's be honest, the guy who starts game one may not start week two. So a little chaos at quarterback. Packers? Eight. They returned 10 of 11 starters on both sides of the ball. Tied for the most wins in the league over the last two years with Kansas City. They were noisy in the offseason.

it's a division, only Minnesota will challenge him. The Saints. Three. Michael Thomas situation, he's out. They really have no go-to receiver. They don't have a starting quarterback, and Tampa's easily the best team in the division. And I think Atlanta and Carolina offensively will be significantly better. Cardinals.

Three, lost six of their last nine, and Cliff Kingsbury, question mark. 49ers. Six. most injured team in the league. They won't be. They'll be better. Tough division. They're 24 and 8 when Jimmy Garoppolo starts.

How often does he start? That's the weirdest team in the league, by the way, because if you said they were in the Super Bowl, right now, I'd be like, oh, I get it. And if you said they went 500, I'd get that too. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing huge.

human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. Eighty-four was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.