The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/19/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: August 19, 2021

Colin discusses the comments made by Kevin Durant and Draymond Green about the downfall of the Warriors dynasty and why they aren’t really addressing exactly what happened. He explains why teams should be cautious about pursuing Aaron Rodgers after his final season with the Packers. Plus, 2-time Super Bowl champion LeSean McCoy joins the show to talk about what it's like to play alongside great quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. This is the best of the Heard. with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, live in Los Angeles on a Thursday, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be, and however, you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and F.S.S.1. Nice to have you in. Thursday. We have a game tonight, don't we, or two, or three NFL games tonight? We do.

Oh, Patriots Eagles. Schedule. Patriots Eagles. And then tomorrow we have Bengals, Washington, Chiefs Cardinals. All right. And then a slate of Saturday games. Joy Taylor, joining me as well. Fourth day on the show, fourth new hairstyle.

Four days. I actually got my hair cut yesterday. Oh, you did? Yes. So you always joke that I don't cut my hair ever. You went like 13 years. You didn't cut your hair. It's like, I don't even...

Women don't cut their hair because it's growing. They cut, like, we either cut our hair completely off or we get it like styled. I get one cut every Monday. Yeah, that's a blessing. I think most men would feel that that's a good thing that you have to get your haircut that often. So one of the things that's hard to do is live in the moment.

You know, you're putting your money away for 401K, you're planning your kids' college, you're planning vacations. It is hard to live in the moment. Just enjoy the day. I think it's been hard for me, my entire life. Just enjoy the day. Don't worry about tomorrow. let's just go out and have a fun lunch, talk about life today, and it's hard.

And because of that, I think we don't necessarily always appreciate how good things are. You know, I've told the story. My mom, my late mom was from England. One year she got a orange for Christmas. That's how poor she was. And she was overjoyed with it. Small house, no money. You know, in England, they just didn't have the economy and still don't that we do.

And so I remember when Tiger Woods was just crushing it young Tiger Woods. And people were always belly aching and comparing Tiger Woods. And I'm like, this is insane. Like it's literally changing my viewing habits. What are we talking about here? Just enjoy it. LeBron in his prime. He was never hurt.

He played 80 games a year. Like both ends of the floor. Just enjoy it. The Golden State Warriors were great. And it's the greatest offensive team I've ever seen play basketball. KD joined Clay, Steph, Iggy, Steve Kerr the coach, Draymond Green, as the best offensive team. Best team I've ever seen is Michael Jordan's Bulls. Second best team may be the Showtime Lakers, but offensively, it's the best team I've ever seen.

It's insane. You could make an argument. They had the three best shooters in the world. We're on the same team. What? Now, I think there's people that look at it. And we're like, oh, well, you know, they didn't do this and they didn't do that. I am kind of disappointed to hear Draymond Green and Kevin Durant talk about the ending in Golden State.

And if you haven't heard this, I'm going to play it for it. It's about 50 seconds. You know, they got in an argument. They tried to work it out. And here's how they view it. It wasn't the argument. It was the way that everybody, Steve Kerr, act like it didn't happen. Bob Myers and tried to just disenfranchise.

and think that that would put the mask over everything. I really felt like that was such a big situation for us as a group. The first time we went through something like that, we had to get that shit all out. We met the next morning and they said, all right, you slept on it, you're ready to apologize. And I told them right then and there, I said, y'all about to fuck this up.

I said, the only person that can make this right is me and K. there's nothing that y'all can do and y'all are going to f*** this up and in my opinion they f***ed it up i think so too and they told me right then and they're like we're going to suspend you for this game i laughed in their fit literally laughed in their face nobody effed it up it was over and you know who you should blame kevin durant's achilles heel folks they won back-to-back titles. They were so good. We had to make up a team that could beat him. We went back 20 years to Jordan's Bulls because nobody could compete with them. They went back-to-back titles.

They set a record for the greatest regular season team in five-year stretch, even before Katie got there. Five-year stretch. They won three titles. If not for Kevin Durant, Achilles' heel, they win four. If not for that Achilles in LeBron's block, they win five. We had to make up teams that we thought could beat them. And the only one we came around on is Michael Jordan's Bulls. They won back-to-back with KD, Clay and Staff. They were heavily favored over Toronto. And literally, we all were there, the Warriors fell apart. Clay was hurt, staff was hurt, Iggy got hurt, and Kevin Durant got hurt. And they were still kind of competitive. Nobody thinks the Miami Heat, four years, two titles is a failure.

Kobe Shaq, three titles, breaks up. It's not a failure. Michael Jordan both times. Three Pete, both times. The pressure was so much, he retired twice. Like in the moderate NBA with the shoe deals and how big stars get, you got to remember, the NBA back in the 70s, the finals were on tape delay after the 11 o'clock news. The league was dead.

David Stern came in and marketed it, put the name on the back of the jersey, became as big as the name on the front of the jersey. And since then, players have gotten rich and become global icons and become stars. And I am here for all of it. I think it's fantastic. It's empowered young people. But after three titles, this is not like the Russell Celtics where you could win 11 and just go, you can't.

It's too much pressure. There's salary caps. There's too many egos. There's shoe deals, competing agents. The Warriors were done. Folks, the last year, KD was there. Quinn Cook was giving you minutes off the bench. They rolled the dice on Boogie Cousins.

They had no bench. Iggy couldn't stay healthy. Just think about since KD left. KD's been hurt multiple times since then. So is Steph and so was Clay. Veteran teams, if you look at the history of dynasties, they're in their prime. And then they get old.

That's the way it works. Nobody young, there are no young dynasties. Jordan came into the league. Young couldn't win for six, seven years. Detroit couldn't win initially. Bird couldn't win. Magic is the only guy because he inherited Kareem. And even he would go to the finals and lose.

Tragic Johnson, come back and win. Then he would lose. This stuff is hard. And it explodes. A lot of self-blaming on this stuff. It was a wild success. For five years, they won three titles. And if not, for the Achilles heel of Kevin Durant, certainly nobody's fault.

They win four. It's magnificent. And they dominated the West. I mean, it's just, you see how hard it is for Milwaukee. You see how hard it is for Miami. This is hard for great players. I look at this stuff. they literally set offensive records.

They changed the game. People started copying the Warriors and they didn't even have the personnel to copy them. You'd see teams without elite shooters shooting 33s a game and you're like, you don't have any guys that can shoot a three. This is nobody's fault. We got to get past that. It was going to end.

Salary cap, the bench was thin, Iggy was old, Quinn Cook was playing, rolled the die. These guys have all physically. fallen apart since that. This dynasty wasn't going anywhere. This was the last year of it, and they would have won, and they were favored to win, and the Achilles' heels goes. Appreciate it.

Michael Jordan twice after the third straight had to shut it down, for a variety of reasons. You can pick your reasons. Just shut it down. The fact that for five years, we got the greatest offensive team in the history of basketball, win for everybody. one Achilles heel, it would have been in the argument for the greatest three-year team in the history of the league. It was bound to end.

All right, little football topic. My wife used to work in HR. It's called Human Resources. So she interviewed people for a living. And she hired a lot of people in the restaurant culinary chain business. And as I have aged in broadcasting, one of the pieces of advice she has given me is never mentioned retirement. Makes you sound old and tired.

If you want to work less, say, you know, I want to spend more time with my family. You know, I've got other things I want to do. I got a hobby. Don't mention the R word. Because nobody wants to hire somebody who's, I can work. I can. Russell Wilson.

you have to pull him off the field. Tom Brady, I'll play till I'm 45. Hubey Brown does NBA games at 80. You couldn't pull him off the air. Vince Scully until he was 78. Aaron Rogers admitted on a podcast this week, Dan Libetard podcast, said this. I felt going into the weekend before camp that I was 50-50.

I don't care if people don't believe that. I mean, that's true. There were some things that got me to 50-50 for sure. And, you know, I spent a couple days in silence and meditation and contemplation and really felt like I should come back. No, the problem is, Aaron, I do believe you. I do believe you could bail on your teammates. He tells the host, I don't care of people, don't believe me, no, we all do.

Tell me in a year, because you know Green Bay is going to control where he goes. Like he has no control on where he goes. And if Jordan Love keeps getting better, next year Aaron Rogers' salary cap hit is $46 million. Jordan loves his $3 million. Now, if they get rid of Aaron, they'll still have to pay about like $20 million or so. Tell me in the NFL what coach wants to invest in a star player. who's 50, 50. No, that's not what anybody wants to invest in.

Tom Brady is the opposite of Aaron Rogers. He takes pay cuts. You have to drag him off the field. He always suppresses his opinion. To almost a fault, he's team guy over me guy. He's the best quarterback in league history. He had four suitors. Cam Newton was an MVP.

He had one at a minimum salary. Aaron's talking retirement. he's had multiple injuries, he's expensive, he calls out his team. If he's trying to grow the market, this is not the way to do it. Folks, I can just tell you, I started a little company. I'm hiring a lot of young people. Why? Because they have energy.

Because they can't wait to get to work. They don't sit around and worry all day about what they make. I wouldn't even consider hiring a human being who is like, I can come to work today, not. I don't do some meditation to see if I could. What a turnoff. Peyton Manning had four neck surgeries. You could not keep him off the field.

He was furious when he was benched. The fact that people, John Elway asked him to take a pay cut. Near the end of his career, well, pay cut. Do you understand how hard football is? If I was a general manager, if I was a coach and I'm in a division with Mahomes and Andy Reid who's never going to retire and Justin Herbert and Denver's out there thinking let's go get this guy who's 50 50

people that talk about retirement are thinking about retirement and people that think about retirement are not all in, ever in any industry. My wife interviewed hundreds, dozens and dozens of people. She said, anytime somebody comes in for an interview and they're older and experienced, and they, you know, I'm starting to really like golf, bail on the resume, done, put it in the garbage. Oh, great to meet you. I've got another employee coming into interview a second, potentially.

I think it's a huge mistake. I think it's a huge mistake. You know, I always said, one of my knocks on Aaron, he's a bailer, not a baller. He has a bizarre, small number of come from behind wins. It doesn't make any sense. Like, Andy Dalton's got more. Matt Ryan's got more in the fourth quarter. Because if the going gets tough, my theory on Aaron is, oh, has been Aaron gets going.

Like he's a bailer. He's not a foxhole guy. When life's comfortable, Aaron's good. When Aaron has a lead, Aaron's good. But he has a weird, a scarcity. It is bizarre of come from behind winds. Like it's a tiny number for how many years he's played. And that to me is the psychology, the difference between Russell Wilson.

Russell Wilson, it's almost corny. He is so optimistic. We've always got a chance. Keep fighting hard. Like, that's just who he is. I love that part of him. I know it's not cool. I'm going to play Forever's not cool.

It's way cooler to host a game show or play golf or go to Hollywood and hang out. I get it. But Aaron's a smart guy. That is not smart. That market is just going to shrink and shrink. If I got to go up against my homes and Justin Herbert and Derek Carr, I want 50-50. I'm going to do some meditation. No, pass.

Not interested. Not remotely interested in 50-50 guy. Or 50-50 woman. Or 50-50 old broadcaster. You start talking retirement. You've already, you've already made a decision. Bosses have already made a decision. You're thinking about it.

You're planning for it. Don't use the R word. Retirement or Rogers, if you're looking for a quarterback. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. call it grotesque, others say it's unleashing human potential. Either

way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes,

follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J.

And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all right. Just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed, correct. So I'm starting to see there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it,

and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust.

I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keir Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. So there's a certain thing about confidence you have to have, obviously, in professional sports. It's, you know, anybody that's a pro-anything is an amazing athlete. And, I mean, we've seen great players. Like Ben Simmons was afraid to have the ball in basketball in the playoffs.

Like, he literally was moving away from the ball. He's a great athlete. We've seen A-Rod have these hitting slumps. You see it a lot of baseball. We've seen great golfers, David Duvall, just like number one in the world and gets what they all the yips and can't hit. Like there's a lot of psychology. We see Simone Biles in the Olympics. Like, like we, we have to understand. There is a lot. Derek Jeter, I remember hearing years and years ago, Derek Jeter said, I don't surround myself with negative people. And, you know, I could say,

oh, so you got a bunch of yes men around you. Yeah. Derek during the season, it's hard enough to hit a baseball. I remember being in a steakhouse in Tampa and Derek and his, his, his boys walked in one night, and Derek rolled with just fun, guys, good guys, his boys. He didn't want negativity around because baseball is hard enough. It gets into your head. Tennis gets into your head. Golf gets into your head. Football gets into your head.

We've seen quarterbacks early in their career that get hit and hit and hit. And we talk about this. It's the danger of playing a young quarterback in his first year. He's raw. He struggles. All of a sudden, he loses confidence in himself. So Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater, Ryan Fitzpatrick, they have to absolutely believe they're the guy.

Can't go into it thinking, I'm a bridge quarterback. So yesterday Andy Dalton comes out and is like, this is my team. And he got crushed for it. Here's Andy Dalton yesterday. I know who I am. I know who I was created to be. I know where my identity lies. And so do I want the fans behind me and this team and all that kind of stuff?

Yes, do I want them behind Justin? Absolutely, I do. Justin's going to have his time and Justin's going to have a great career. But right now it's my time. And so my focus is on being the best player I can be for this team and do everything I can to help this team win. I support Andy Dalton here and Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Remember when Ryan Fitzpatrick got replaced by Tua? And I remember on the air, I'm like, well, yeah, of course.

But remember how it landed for Ryan Fitzpatrick? I was shocked by it. You know, it definitely caught me off guard. And my heart just hurt all day. Like, it was heartbreaking for me. That's the decision and the direction that the organization is going in. And obviously, you know, we've talked in the past, me and you guys about, you know, how I'm the placeholder. And this eventually was going to happen no matter, it was just a matter of kind of win, not if.

Let me support Ryan and Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater. To be a pro athlete, a quarterback, an alpha position, you've absolutely got to believe you can play, you can lead these men, you can lead these players, you can lead the franchise. These are all earnest, genuine, good guys. Tyrod Taylor once again finds himself in a spot. Looks like he's going to be the starter. He was going to be the starter for the Chargers two years ago. And there was a medical mishap and then Justin Herbert got it and replaced him. And I know, like I look at this and I think, you know, it's kind of delusional.

Like how do they? And I think, wait a minute. They've got to think that way. You have to think that way. The sport's too hard to have no confidence or to question yourself or to think the guy you're competing against is better. I mean, there's three stages. for a quarterback in the NFL. When you're young and cheap, they love you.

When you're in your prime and expensive, they tolerate you. The minute you show weakness, see ya. Love you, tolerate you, see ya. Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater, Ryan Fitzpatrick. They have to absolutely believe this is my moment and my team. I don't think you can be a quarterback in the NFL thinking and doing it any other way. And I would still start Dalton, week one against the Rams. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but in encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we picket here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because, a crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own

experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses.

Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines,

as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app, Search learn the hard way and listen now. People are asking me now a lot about like all these young quarterback. Right. And what I try to tell people is it's not just the quarterback.

What is he inheriting? So for instance, today, the Jets have had a terrible day of practice. Denzel Mims, their big quarterback, their big wide receiver prospect hurt all last year. He had to be carded. He's hurt again. Carl Lawson left on a carted off the field, defund. defensive lineman. Everybody's like, Jets have had a terrible day of practice.

Like, all guys are getting hurt. And so when people say, you don't like Zach Wilson, it's not that I don't like him. He's smaller than I'd like. You know, he was 19 and 9 in college. Could never beat the good teams he played. He was 0 and 2 to his rival. But here's a great example. One of the reasons I think Tray Lance is going to work is because I trust the general

manager, the owner, and the coach. in the roster. It's nothing against Zach Wilson. I think Tray Lance is a bigger, stronger athlete. I think Justin Fields is a bigger, stronger athlete. So I like them more than Jack Wilson. I think Trevor Lawrence, a bigger, stronger athlete. I do think, you know, with very few exceptions, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, I like my quarterbacks to be 6-2,

6-3. See over the line, it's an easier life. Bigger arm is always better than an average arm, right? And so just to give you an example of why I've said, I think Zach Wilson First of all, he absolutely has the fourth best coach in his division. That's not even arguable today. That's not good. He has the fourth best roster in his division.

That's not good. But here's a great example of why I question Zach Wilson. So let's take the four, arguably the four most dysfunctional franchises. Detroit Jets, Cleveland, Chicago. they struggle with quarterbacks. Some companies just don't do certain things well. Last 25 years, the Bears, the Lions, the Jets, and Cleveland, last 25 years have drafted 15 quarterbacks in the first round. None of them will make the Hall of Fame.

Only three division titles. Only one got to a Super Bowl, Rex Grossman. In a year, he had 23 TDs and 20 picks. It was kind of a quarterback limited team, not a quarterback-driven team. team. Almost all of these guys have bombed, underachieved, had losing records. I mean, Matt Stafford is one of the most, he was the number one high school quarterback in the country, the number one college quarterback in the country. He's never on a playoff game. No division titles. Matt Stafford. That's how, so you look at this. McNawn, Grossman, Tribusky,

Fields, Couch, Quinn, Mansell, Baker, Brandon Whedon, Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford, Pennington, Sanchez, Donald, Zach Wilson. Do you think it's just, do you really believe that it's always the kid's fault? But it's always the player's fault. It's just a coincidence that these four often dysfunctional franchises, it's just crazy. They can't get the quarterback right. Really? How come Green Bay always gets the quarterback right?

Oh, maybe because they're a better run franchise? guys. I mean, so with Zach Wilson is fighting an absolute uphill battle. And most of those quarterbacks that you saw on that list were much more acclaimed than Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson played in a small, they're independent, but they play small teams. He was 19 and 9. I don't believe he was even named team captain, which makes me wonder why. He couldn't beat rival Utah. They played Washington twice. Chris Peterson. Couldn't beat them. He couldn't beat good up.

So a lot of these guys were like, Heisman. I mean, look at Baker's career until he got the right coach. It was a mess. It was a disaster. And now Baker gets the right coach. So when I question your quarterback, it's not just the kid. Do I think Zach Wilson's a little small? Yeah, a little cocky.

Yeah, why didn't his teammates name him captain? Like, that's kind of a given for quarterbacks, right? Yeah, he plays a little bit like a poor man's Aaron Rogers or a better man's Johnny Mansell. There's stuff I like, stuff I don't. But it's nothing personal. I look at everything. I look at all the surrounding. My issue with Justin Fields is not Justin Fields.

It's the Bears front office, which I don't love. They were eight and eight last year. They were bad down the stretch. And they only had a couple of draft picks. Didn't do anything in free agency. Their offensive lines kind of in a rebuild. It's not a Justin Fields issue. Can he overcome that organization's history with quarterbacks?

And by the way, the Jets and the Packers are practicing together. You know, Zach is saying all the right things. He was talking about his admiration for Aaron Rogers. He said, I'm a little bit of a fan boy. He's saying all the right stuff. Here he is. James is a big fan boy. He was getting a little nervous.

No, I'm a big fan boy too. We all got to kind of pretend like we've been there before. But we enjoy just being out here and being able to talk to him. We're all technically at the same level now. We're all in the NFL, but it's like, we all still kind of like, you know what, that's Aaron Rogers. You know, that's kind of crazy. Fans often think, Colin, you just want to be right. I don't care.

My paychecks are not based on right. My relationship with joy is not related on right. Our chemistry doesn't matter. Right doesn't make our chemistry better. Right doesn't change my paycheck. Interesting does. I want Zach Wilson to be interesting. He's not going to be interesting at 2 and 15.

I want him to succeed. I want all of us. them to. There's nothing more Drecky than bad quarterback play. People say, oh, you love football. No, I love good football. I didn't watch the Texans last year. I didn't watch the Jags. There's always teams in the league. I try to watch the top 15, 20 teams in the league. I mean, you tell me by week three, you're going to be watching the Texans. I think Philadelphia is going to be a bad watch. If you don't live in Philadelphia, you think networks want to put the Eagles on? Networks won't. The networks won't put the Eagles on. They know you don't want to watch. So nobody roots against these guys,

You have to consider everything. When Andrew Luck has to retire early, and he can't overcome it physically at 6.4 and a half, 240, big, smart, tough. And he's like, I'm out. I can't do it any longer. Andrew Luck couldn't handle it. That's why I questioned Zach Wilson. And apparently the Jets today are falling apart physically.

They've had a terrible day at practice with the Packers. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Draymond Green has a really good podcast and he interviewed Kevin Durant. It was fascinating. And I've said this before. It creates content.

I'm not going to criticize people for content. You give me good content. I'm a fan. But it does strike to something that everybody was really hot in the Brooklyn Nets last year. And I was like, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know how like when they have these franchises in Hollywood, there's an arc to it, like Batman, the super teams, right? We compare them to like movie trilogies, like their franchises, like Batman or Superman.

They start with comic books, so we get emotionally invested in the comic book. And then they make a movie out of it. You're like, who? And then they start selling merchandise. They make a franchise out of it. So there's an arc to it. You know, that's really what Kobe and Shaq were. Pippin and Jordan were.

Isaiah Lambeer were. Like they were young together, lost close together, one close, and then became like a dynasty. There's an arc to it. And so in Golden State, Drayman, Stefan Clay, they were like a comic book, a movie. Oh, it's a franchise. Like there's always been that arc to it. Now, increasingly, we feel like the NBA is kind of a throw-it together. The Milwaukee Bucks just did that.

Young together, lost together, win a title together. And I think they have a chance to win two or three titles here in the next five years. The Warriors did it the historic way. Drafted together, grow together, lose together, suddenly good together. Oh, damn, they're great together. The nets are the opposite. And that's why I've always had questions. the nets are like if you threw a matrix, Lord of the Rings, Transformers, you just threw them all together,

already stars and said, make it work. Well, they've had no struggle together. So when you throw Katie and Hardin, and by the way, Katie's had multiple divorces, Kyrie's had multiple divorces, I'm talking about basketball divorces, James Harden couldn't get along with CP3, Westbrook, Dwight Howard. It's like throwing three different movie trilogy. together and go, all right. These guys played eight games together last year.

It's just not the way the league historically works. There is an art to it. There's a formula to it just like movie franchises. You're a comic book, so people are totally in to the character. Then they make a movie. They start selling a lot of merchandise. You know, Burger King, I get my little Superman, and then I go over there and I get my, and then they make a franchise out of it.

And then maybe off that, you create another franchise. but you don't just throw Superman and Batman and this guy together and just first year. It'll be great. There's no, there's got to be a bill. The NBA is hard. Now, increasingly, you are seeing people throw stuff together. But I've always been reluctant on the Brooklyn thing. And as I watched the KD interview with Draymond yesterday, it's, it's, I, that was always my question on KD.

man you just be very careful on this stuff it is hard to get great players together and it all works because kairy emotionally not quite sure where he is day to day harden you know he struggled with some star teammates kd you know he's had some stuff that doesn't work didn't kind of work in golden state didn't really work in okayc so i uh i guess that's my my point being i've always been a doubt on the net thing. It just doesn't feel right. And all these guys, by the way, I'd say Katie and Kyrie are great, but they're past their prime due to their injuries. Hardin's probably

in it, but he's never been a great playoff performer. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. You know, when players get older, and they got the bag, they got the money,

and they got their health, but they can still play. You know, we've said this before. Dan Marino could probably still throw a football. Do you want to go through the practice? Do you want to deal with the travel, do this? So it's very interesting. LaShawn McCoy was on the Bucks last year.

And at one point, you know, you thought he would have a bigger role. But then they've signed Lenny Fernette. And then they got Ronald Jones. But when he did play, you're like, oh, he can still play. So he is a free agent. He's a six-time pro bowler. He's only 33 years old. So we increasingly see guys who take care of themselves.

And good God, Adrian Peterson, still banging around the league. And LaShawn McCoy, two Super Bowl rings now joining us live. So I want to go back to last year in Tampa. So obviously, I watch all the games. Take me in the audience, Shady, behind the scenes. As the team was early, there was no pandemic. There was no. camps. There was no preseason. The game in Chicago, it's a mess. Everybody's screaming each other.

During all that crisis and stuff, did you sense in week seven, eight, nine, ten, would you have predicted, no, we're going to win the Super Bowl? Or did it even surprise you a little at the end how it all came together in Tampa? You know, what's funny about that question is that, yes, I truly believe that we will win a championship. And the big reason is Tom Brady. He talked about that. You know, he talked about how, hey, this is a new team. You know, we're bringing all these good players together, but it's ultimately new.

You know, you talk about a guy that played in the system for 20 years, right? The same offense. You know, most teams, the coordinator can install the plays. Well, when he's with the Patriots, he could install the plays, right? So coming here, he was a rookie all over again, a whole new offense. You know, an offense where the year before, they threw for, what, 5,000 yards. Now, you know, Jamie's had a lot of interceptions, but they did well offensively. And they go deep a lot.

where Tom is more likes to control the game, take some short passes, short passes, make it to get a shot up top, run the ball. So a lot different. But he talked about, hey, after the five week, how we're going to jail? And I think a little bit that really helped out also was more just, I think Coach Erickens kind of gave him

a little bit more control to offense. See, Tom Brady, man, he's so humble. He's such a great player, man, he's so humble. And this time as a player, hey, hey, Tom, hey, you want this play? Hey, tell him. You know, his thing is more, hey, they're their coaches. I'm the player. That's how it works.

I think it's more of the, you know, the Belichick, the Patriots thing over there. So after the by, we get changed up a little bit. And he got some of his plays, got some tight end involved and some more play actions. You know, taking shots downfield, but also, you know, managing the game and it changed after the by week. That's really interesting. That's really interesting. So, you know, Tom's a humble guy, the coaches, coach, the players play. And then Tom demanded it a little more.

You know, it's, you know this as well as anybody. so much of this league is chemistry, and we just think it's all talent. But in the end, New England's chemistry was really, really good. You can play right now. I just, during the break, I said to you, I said, the Rams would be perfect for you. You wouldn't be wasting your time. It's a running back, pro running back system. Like McVeigh's guys can run.

It's a very good offensive line. You have a veteran quarterback. They wouldn't need 24 carries. And I just threw it out to you during the break. I said, actually, the Rams, you'd be very good. very interesting. Is that the kind of team you would come back and play for? For sure, for sure. I think that team, man, they're right there. I think they're a player too from going. Great defense. You know, playing the wise last year. They're very good.

The best player in NFL plays for that team and Aaron Donald. And great, they're coach. Well, McVeigh is a great coach. And also when you add like Matthew Stafford there, the guy who can play with big potential, you put him in the office where you can control a little bit. he has a lot of strong arm strength still, I'm sorry. And he still could swing it. You got Deshawn Jackson on the outside, man, with the other people that can do more of the immediate routes and can run the routes.

They got plays, bro. And I think that they really could make it happen. Got some linemen, you know, with that scheme, zone scheme they have. And I think they're right there, man. Super Bowl contender for sure. So you play with Patrick Mahomes and Brady. And we all love Mahomes.

I've said this before. the league is really lucky right now. They have really good human beings who are the face of the league. Like Mahomes is like a really good dude. When you played with him, take me behind the scenes on him the dude. Is he serious?

Is practice with him and Brady different? Like, what is he like, Patrick Mahomes, what I don't see? Pat's the truth. Pat, he works extremely hard. He's very intelligent, very smart. You know, a good thing I like about him, and he finds a way to interact with everybody.

So from the linemen to the cool wire receivers, you know, Tiberg Hill and you got McColl. Like he finds a way to interact with everybody. You know, even him and Kelsey, they have a great connection. I think a lot of that is, you read with his experiences with quarterbacks, you know, teach them different things with that. And also, I mean, Pat, like, he's always trying simplify everything for the players. Like, there's, I remember times where he would talk about the scramble. Like, hey, you know, there's some times where I see something, but I might want the bigger play.

we might need that in the game for momentum. And we worked on that as an offense, you know, the scramble drills and things like that. So he's a young player man that's so mature at this age. I'm not sure of it's because his father was a professional, you know, and kind of install that in him. But he's legit. He really is. When you've been around the sport like you, you've played for several coaches.

So Bruce Ariens last year, Andy Reid, you also played, I believe, Sean McDermott a couple different times. I think he's great. Take me to his leadership style. Because, you know, Buffalo had a long stretch where they couldn't get their act together. McDermott shows up, and you could tell within a year, you're like, okay, they don't make the mistakes. Like, I don't know, Sean, but when I watch them play, I'm like, they may not have a great pass rush, but they engineer the best pass rush they can with the players they have. Like, what stood out to you with McDermott? And did you know instantly this dude is different?

He's a real deal. Well, first of all, me and Sean are good friends because he was there when I was in Philadelphia. And he kind of was an escapegoat. We had a situation really where defense was playing well, but it wasn't his fault. But anyway, he takes that same attitude, right? He takes it to the Panthers who instantly started having a great defense, get tons of turnovers and being very disciplined. That's his biggest thing as being disciplined.

He goes to Buffalo when I was there. And, well, they drafted Josh Allen. which was a big improvement because young kid a lot of talent for the future they got him they lock him in and then Sean he's all about the attitude he's all about you know playoff caliber football all about being accountable you know and he preaches that through the whole building you know for staff and players but if you see his defense man they get they practice constantly on getting turnovers being in right position at all times and he's changing that culture when I got there um it was good but when he got there it got great and you can see the difference and seeing all the players and they have some good

players and some big time players, but it's more just the attitude in the culture of the team. And that's something that he brought there. Yeah. So you're 33 years old. First of all, you could be a broadcaster because you're great. I mean, you recall stuff very good. A lot of guys can't recall. You're just flying through all your coaches and contacts.

And you like Dave Wonstadt, who I love. Dave Wonstadt, by the way, recruited. He's the best. That's right. Story time with Dave Wonstat. So for you, if I said you have a chance. chance to, because we all know there's going to be injuries in camp with running backs. And I said to you, what can you provide?

What would be a perfect situation? Carries, touches, catches, coaches, what would be perfect? I think the first thing we got to establish that any team I play on, right, starter or not, you know, there won't be no drop from the running backs. I will hold my own with any player, with any back field. I think I'll bring an attitude of being competitive. I'm a smart player. when I wasn't on the field, I was still helping out the young guys,

getting them available, getting them ready. And also for myself, that I go on there and go out there and produce, catching the ball, run the ball. I mean, hey, seven carries, you know, two, three passes. I'm going to contribute. I'm going to find a way in the game to make a big momentum shift in the offense. That's what I truly can bring, you know, in the past game, catching and blocking, you know, and if you give me some runs,

I'm going to make it happen. It's the truth. That's all I'm giving you the truth. Hey, it's great to talk to you for the first time. I admired your work. I'd love to see you land somewhere like Los Angeles. I need a running back. And it's great seeing you.

You too. Hey, I always respected you for sure, man. You keep it real. A lot of guys don't keep it real. I would say this. You keep it 110%. I appreciate that, Lechon. Thanks, bud.

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