The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/19/2021 - HOUR 2 - Warriors-Nets, Rodgers

Episode Date: August 19, 2021

The differences between the Warriors dynasty and the current Nets teamAaron Rodgers says he doesn't want this season to be a farewell tourGuest: Ric Bucher Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hour 2. It's a Thursday. NFL game tonight. We'll be watching that. Live in LA, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and F.F.I. Joy Taylor is joining me. So it is interesting when I, you know, people come up to me all the time and, hey, Do you really think blank or do you really think that?

And people are over 99.99% of the people. 100% are always gracious, nice. Nobody's a jerk. People, that's not. People are awful to each other. People are only mean on the internet. Yeah. In person, people, last night, I walk out of a restaurant.

Tables are like, oh, I want to talk, you're sports, everything. People are wonderful. My entire career, I've only ever had one person say something moderately mean to me. He said he didn't like the sound of my voice, which I can respect. Yeah, that's fine. All right. But I am getting now, people are asking me now a lot about like all these young quarterback. Right.

And what I try to tell people is it's not just the quarterback. What is he inheriting? So for instance, today, the Jets have had a terrible day of practice. Denzel Mims, their big quarterback, their big wide receiver prospect hurt all last year. He had to be card. He's hurt again. Carl Lawson left on a carted off the field defensive lineman everybody's like jets have had a terrible day of practice like guys are getting hurt and so when people say you don't like

Zach Wilson it's not that I don't like him he's smaller than I'd like um you know he was 19 and 9 in college could never beat the good teams he played he was 0 and 2 to his rival but but here's a great example one of the reasons I think Lance is going to work is because I trust the general manager, the owner and the coach and the roster. It's nothing against Zach Wilson. I think Tray Lance is a bigger, stronger athlete. I think Justin Fields is a bigger, stronger athlete. So I like them more than Zach Wilson. I think Trevor Lawrence, a bigger, stronger athlete. I do think, you know, with very few exceptions, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, I like my quarterbacks to be 6-2, 6-3. See over the line. It's an easier

life. Bigger arm is always better than an average arm, right? And so just to give you an of why I've said, I think Zach Wilson, first of all, he absolutely has the fourth best coach in his division. That's not even arguable today. That's not good. He has the fourth best roster in his division. That's not good. But here's a great example of why I question Zach Wilson. So let's take the four, arguably the four most dysfunctional franchises. Detroit, Jets, Cleveland, Chicago. They struggle with quarterbacks. Some companies just don't do certain things well.

Last 25 years, the Bears, the Lions, the Jets, and Cleveland, last 25 years have drafted 15 quarterbacks in the first round. None of them will make the Hall of Fame. Only three division titles. Only one got to a Super Bowl, Rex Grossman. In a year, he had 23 TDs and 20 picks. it was kind of a quarterback limited team, not a quarterback driven team. Almost all of these guys have bombed, underachieved, had losing records. I mean, Matt Stafford is one of the most, he was the number one high school quarterback in the country,

the number one college quarterback in the country. He's never one of playoff game, no division titles. Matt Stafford. That's how, so you look at this, McNawn, Grossman, Trebisky, Fields, couch, Quinn, Mansell, Baker, Brandon Whedon, Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford, Pennington, Sanchez, Donald, Zach Wilson. Do you think it's just, do you really believe that it's always the kid's fault? But it's always the player's fault. It's just a coincidence that these four often dysfunctional franchises, it's just crazy.

They can't get the quarterback right. Really? How come Green Bay always gets the quarterback right? Oh. Maybe because they're a better run franchise? I mean, so with Zach Wilson is fighting an absolute uphill battle. And most of those quarterbacks that you saw on that list were much more acclaimed than Zach Wilson.

Zach Wilson played in a small, they're independent, but they play small teams. He was 19 and 9. I don't believe he was even named team captain, which makes me wonder why. He couldn't beat rival Utah. They played Washington twice. Chris Peterson couldn't beat them. He couldn't beat good up. So a lot of these guys were like, Heisman. I mean, look at Baker's career until he got the right coach.

It was a mess. It was a disaster. And now Baker gets the right coach. So when I question your quarterback, it's not just the kid. Do I think Zach Wilson's a little small? Yeah, a little cocky. Yeah, why didn't his teammates name him captain? Like that's kind of a given for quarterbacks, right?

Yeah, he plays a little bit like a poor man's Aaron Rogers or a better man's Johnny Mansell. There's stuff I like, stuff I don't. But it's nothing personal. I look at the everything. I look at all the surrounding. My issue with Justin Fields is not Justin Fields. It's the Bears front office, which I don't love. They were eight and eight last year.

They were bad down the stretch, and they only had a couple of draft picks, didn't do anything in free agency. their offensive lines kind of in a rebuild. It's not a Justin Field's issue. Can he overcome that organization's history with quarterbacks? And by the way, the Jets and the Packers are practicing together. You know, Zach is saying all the right things. He was talking about his admiration for Aaron Rogers. He said, I'm a little bit of a fan boy.

He's saying all the right stuff. Here he is. James is a big fan boy. He was getting a little nervous. No, no, I'm a big fan boy, too. We all got to kind of pretend like we've been there before. But we enjoy just being out here and being able to talk to him. We're all technically at the same level now.

We're all in the NFL, but it's like we all still kind of like, you know what, that's Aaron Rogers. You know, that's kind of crazy. Fans often think, Colin, you just want to be right. I don't care. My paychecks are not based on right. My relationship with Joy is not related on right. Our chemistry doesn't matter. Right doesn't make our chemistry better.

Wright doesn't change my paycheck. Interesting does. I want Zach Wilson to be interesting. He's not going to be interesting. two and 15. I want him to succeed. I want all of them to. There's nothing more drecky than bad quarterback play. People say, oh, you love football. No, I love good football. I didn't watch the Texans last year. I didn't watch the Jags. There's always teams in the league. I try to watch the top 15, 20 teams in the league. I mean, you tell me by week three, you're going to be watching the Texans.

I think Philadelphia is going to be a bad watch. If you don't live in Philadelphia, you think networks want to put the Eagles on? Networks won't. The networks won't put the Eagles on. They know you don't want to watch. So nobody roots against these guys, but you have to consider everything. When Andrew Luck has to retire early and he can't overcome it physically at 6, 4.5, 240, big, smart, tough. And he's like, I'm out. I can't do it any longer. Andrew Luck couldn't handle it. That's why I questioned Zach Wilson. And apparently the Jets today are falling apart physically. They've had a terrible day at practice with the Packers. So, um, The big story yesterday, it was pretty interesting.

I've got to be honest, Draymond Green has a really good podcast, and he interviewed Kevin Durant. It was fascinating. And I've said this before. It creates content. I'm not going to criticize people for content. You give me good content.

I'm a fan. But it does strike to something that everybody was really hot in the Brooklyn Nets last year. And I was like, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know how like when they have these franchises in Hollywood, there's an arc to it, like Batman, the super teams, right? We compare them to like movie trilogies, like their franchises, like Batman or Superman. They start with comic books so we get emotionally invested in the comic book. And then they make a movie out of it.

You're like, who? And then they start selling merchandise. They make a franchise out of it. So there's an arc to it. You know, that's really what Kobe and Shaq were. Pippin and Jordan were. Isaiah Lambeer were. Like they were young together, lost close together, one close, and then became like a dynasty.

There's an arc to it. And so in Golden State, Drayman, Stefan Clay, they were like a comic book, a movie. Oh, it's a franchise. Like there's always been that arc to it. Now, increasingly, we feel like the NBA is kind of a throw-it-together. The Milwaukee Bucks just did that. Young together, lost together, win a title together. And I think they have a chance to win two or three titles here in the next five years.

The Warriors did it the historic way. Drafted together, grow together, lose together, suddenly good together. Oh, damn, they're great together. The nets are the opposite. And that's why I've always had questions. the nets are like if you threw a matrix, Lord of the Rings, Transformers, you just threw them all together, already stars and said, make it work. Well, they've had no struggle together.

So when you throw Katie and Hardin, and by the way, Katie's had multiple divorces, Kyrie's had multiple divorces, I'm talking about basketball divorces, James Hardin couldn't get along with CP3, Westbrook, Dwight Howard. It's like throwing three different movie trilogy. together and go, all right. These guys played eight games together last year. It's just not the way the league historically works. There is an art to it.

There's a formula to it just like movie franchises. You're a comic book, so people are totally in to the character. Then they make a movie. They start selling a lot of merchandise. You know, Burger King, I get my little Superman, and then I go over there and I get my, and then they make a franchise out of it. And then maybe off that, you create another franchise. but you don't just throw Superman and Batman and this guy together and just first year

it'll be great like you there's no there's got to be a bill the NBA is hard now increasingly you are seeing people throw stuff together but but I've always been reluctant on the Brooklyn thing and as I watched the the KD interview with Draymond yesterday it's it's I that was always my question on KD man you You just be very careful on this stuff. It is hard to get great players together, and it all works. Because Kyrie emotionally, not quite sure where he is day to day, Harden. You know, he struggled with some star teammates.

KD, you know, he's had some stuff that doesn't work. Didn't kind of work in Golden State. Didn't really work in OKC. So I guess that's my point being, I've always been a doubter on the net thing. It just doesn't feel right. And all these guys, by the way, I'd say Katie and Kyrie are great, but they're past their prime due to their injuries. Hardin's probably in it.

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Your Dennis Ugas and the Can't Miss title fight of the summer. In two days, live on pay-per-view, buy it now on the Fox Sports app and watch on any screen you want. You know how certain people picked a perfect thing to do with their professional career? Like Manny Pachio was born to fight. Yeah. I mean, he literally picked the perfect thing. It is remarkable how many fights he's been in. Now, he doesn't have the punching power. I mean, obviously, you know, Brady is not quite, you know, physically. That guy can take a punch. He is still his volume of punches. Well, he's also brilliance. Like he knows what's coming. I mean, he just can pick you apart mentally at this point. So he walked by me in the hall about, it was before that fight when he fought that young kid.

I thought he was going to lose. And he's small. Mani's not big. He's sitting and watch him in the ring. He completely manipulates. The only guy he couldn't manipulate is Mayweather. But it's like you get these veteran guys in the ring. It's checkers and chess.

Like Mani is, it's just amazing to me to watch him fight. The volume of punches, the percentage that he lands. like he literally picked the perfect thing. You ever seen some of these politicians that talk today and you're like, you pick the wrong profession. You should not be in the public. You should just not be talking publicly. You really have no idea what you're doing. Go run a car lot.

Like you have no business talking publicly about policy. Manny Pachio is picked the perfect thing to do in life. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. It was the Keith Thurman fight. Yeah, and Thurman's this young guy.

And Thurman, big puncher. And I watched the first round, and I'm like, the old man has won the fight. He is completely manipulating Thurman. So Aaron Rogers showed up the training camp after a dramatic offseason with the Packers. Retirement was one of the options he was reportedly considering. And he spoke about how close he was actually to walking away. I felt going into the weekend before camp that I was 50-50. I don't care if people don't believe that.

I mean, that's true. There were some things that got me to 50-50 for sure. And, you know, I spent a couple days in silence and meditation and contemplation and really felt like I should come back. Packers have a beatnik, a hippie. He's doing meditation and beakrum yoga to figure out. I think it's good to take time to make decisions. I think it's good to take a step back and, you know, think about things.

But this situation with Aaron Rogers has gotten weird. It's, yes, it's approaching weird. Now, I do think that this is a leverage move because for all to talk about how he doesn't have any play next season and, you know, nothing really changed with this contract, like, no, they didn't come to that agreement. for no reason. Like, I do believe,

aside from whatever they signed to get him into training camp, they have a gentleman's agreement in place. Like, look, at the end of this, we're moving. So do you believe,

because I truly believe this is the last year. Yes. And this, this statement here, if I didn't, if I wasn't 99, this just shoved me over the edge.

Like, he does not want to be there anymore. Right. I think he came back this season, one because of money, because look, we can say how we want about how much money he makes,

$30 million is $30 million. Right. like this is so I'll just calm down here. All right. He's not Bill Gates. So $30 million is enough to get me to do something I don't want to do. All right, first of all. And play and work with people I don't want to work with. But also, I do think he does have loyalty to a lot of the guys in that locker room.

I don't think he wanted to leave not only the guys in the locker room, his teammates, the organization, but the city of Green Bay, high and dry with Jordan Love. And, you know, that was going to affect the next place that he went. Like, that was going to affect the future of his career. Was he really ready to walk away? I think he faced that reality. Like, am I willing to no longer play football in order to avoid this situation that I'm that unhappy with? And he came to the conclusion that he's not.

But I don't think he's going to continue doing that moving forward. And that's part of the reason why they came to that agreement before he came into camp. Like, this whole idea that he doesn't have any leverage. Like, it's not about leverage anymore. I think they had a sit down conversation and said, look, I don't want to be here. I've honestly contemplated legitimately retiring over coming back here, which he himself has just said, but I'm going to play this season. At the end of this season, let's sit down and figure out how we can both move away from each other in a non-dramatic way.

But Aaron also said yesterday, I don't want this to be a farewell tour. It is. Yeah, no, for the Packers. Yeah, I don't think it's a farewell tour for his career. I don't think it's a farewell tour for the NFL. But for the Packers, yeah. When you bring up, I'm 50-50 retirement, or a farewell tour.

It's bye, guys. Enjoy Aaron Rogers last year in Greenback. He's saying all the things without saying, I ain't going to be here. That's what he's saying. It's out. He's gone. It's over. It's over.

And it's okay. Things come to an end. It doesn't mean it wasn't great. Everything has an expiration date. It's just with food and milk. It's on the carton. This has an expiration date. The expiration date is the last snap of the Packers season.

Correct. This has an expiration date, but it's not going to be on the half. helmets or the milk carton or the, you know, it's not. And they're not going to be official about it. And I don't think. But it is, this is it. I think they both agreed being, both being the, Packers front office and Aaron Rogers, that let's come to an agreement before the season starts. Yeah. And, and avoid any drama at the end of this season. Yeah, but isn't he adding to the drama saying stuff like this? That's creating more drama. I think he's kind of softening the blow a little bit. I think it's, and because he's, because he's leaving regardless, I think he probably feels a little more

empowered to, you know, to say a little bit more. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about all the time. You know, when you're leaving somewhere, you know, you just, you don't care anymore. We get a little more loose. Yeah. You know, more loose. So the Rams are hosting the Raiders for two joint practices this week ahead of their preseason matchup on Saturday. But Shaw McVeigh hopes things get better in their second session because he was not happy with what he saw from his team on day one. I didn't like how sloppy it felt overall. There was a lot of breaks in the action because of unnecessary stuff. And, you know, it wasn't exclusive to one side or the other.

But, you know, for us to get the work that I know Coach Gruden and his group wants, and for us and our group, you know, we got to clean up some of the mechanics. There's going to be a lot of good things that we can learn from. But it just didn't feel good the way that it ended. We'll see. Can't wait. I'm very interested in seeing what the Rams do this season. Yeah, so I just talked the other day on a podcast. I talked to Les Sneed about it.

And I just came out and said, who's your running backs? Like they lost both their best two running back. So it's like in that division is just a punch in the mouth division. It's like not having a running game in the AFC North. Last year the Steelers didn't. Well, we saw that. Okay, Baltimore did and Cleveland did.

Like there are divisions that are just physical divisions. The AFC North, you've got to have a running game. Cleveland and Baltimore do. Those are easily the best two teams. In the NFC West, you have got to be physical. Like you've got to be able to control the line scrimmage. You got Pete Carroll's defense. You've got San Francisco's defensive line. You've got the Rams. So I don't know how you can control the line of scrimmage if you don't have a run game in that

division. There's so much I like about the Rams, but I don't get it. Like you've got to be able to keep the ball away if you play Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray four times, right? How do I keep the ball away from those players? It's not passing under a pass. By the way, the Arizona's pass was was good last year and they added JJ Y. Yeah. So I don't want my pass. I don't want Stafford passing 42 times against the Seahawks or the Rams or the Niners. Or the Viking. Arizona.

You made an aggressive move to add Matthew Stafford, who to me, the pressure is on Matthew Stafford. Sean McVeigh is like not in the hot seat. We know what Sean McVeigh is. We don't know what Matthew Stafford is with a legitimate organization. All we hear about is how great Matthew

Stafford is and now he's with the Rams. Just think about this. This is the best pass rush division arguably in football. Arizona, San Francisco, C.L. It's the best pass rush division in full. And probably the best division. You have no running game. It's just, it's not, just say it out loud.

It's the worst. It's like, I can remember the feeling when I read that, that news. Like, oh. Oh, crush. You could have lost almost anybody. You couldn't have lost Donald or Stafford. But if you're in a big, like, it's not hard to figure out. if you play in a physical division, you cannot be the Steelers passing it 55 times. Yeah.

They were a bad team by the – Pittsburgh was a bad team by the end of the year. That's just not a sustainable offense. So Kevin Durant opens up during a Bleacher Report interview with Jemond Green. They talked about one of the most pivotal moments in Durant's career, which was when he left the thunder to join the Warriors in 2016. And Draymond asked KD why he made that decision. It was a basketball decision, but I knocked down to like not – giving a ladder with that too. You know what I'm saying? It kind of knocked down two birds with one stone with that.

But it was mainly I felt like I was the absolute perfect fit with what you guys were doing on both days of the bar. And I knew my game had reached a point where I need to really see what that looked like. And I thought that was just a no-brainer. I would do that a million times. And, you know, again, I didn't second guess at all. That move I totally got. I'm shocked. I remember the day it came down, I was totally shocked.

Right. It was so, I mean, like, literally the second best player in the league went to the dynasty. It's like, what's the precedent for that? There was none. Well, it was also not just the dynasty. They lost to the Warriors in the Western Conference finals in his last season there when they were up 3-1. So, while, yes, it was absolutely the right basketball decision. And in my opinion, he got the last laugh because he won the championships. and the finals MVP, he showed what he was capable of doing

when he had the right pieces around him. But he was also highly criticized for that move. And for many fans, they feel like you just join the team that beat you. Now, I don't feel that way, nor would I care if I'm Kevin Durant because at the end of the day, I still have to win the championship. But this is what put the Warriors in that space of super team, and they kind of still carry that title even though they're not. The Warriors, as they are currently essentially,

are no different than the bucks. They drafted those guys. They developed those guys. They ran the team appropriately and functionally so that somebody, they could have room and space to bring in someone like Kevin Durant. So I think that the Warriors and KD for a lot of fans, they like kind of just lumped them into this space of like super team. And, you know, they kind of like, not cheated, but cheapened their way to those championships,

which, again, who cares if Kevin Durant, like he said it, I would do it a million times. And he's right. I never understand this idea that guys have to suffer their entire careers to prove how loyal they are or how great they are. You would hold it against them if they retire. If Kevin Durant retired with all of those stats and personal accomplishments but never won a championship, you wouldn't say that he's as great as he is. But if he joins the Warriors. Bradley Beals' loyalty to Washington makes me think less of him.

It's like, so you don't want to play with great players. Like, what are you doing? You're going to play 20 years in Washington. and never win a second round playoff series. Like, I don't get that. It's this weird, like, struggle competition mentality that people have. Like, oh, you just didn't go through enough to win a championship. It's just like, and that's just a mentality.

Like, if you're never going to convince somebody that believes that about KD, that they shouldn't feel that way. But it just doesn't matter. At the end of his career, two decades from now, we're going to talk about KD as the champion that he is because he made that decision. And I'm sure he's happy he didn't make that decision for those. fans. I mean, I'm happy with the way I don't resent trust fund kids, but if I was one, I'd be okay with it. I mean, like, it's, it's not like I say to myself, I wanted to struggle like

I did for 20 years, but I was your experience. Yeah, that's right. So I'm not, I don't resent. Right. It's made me into who I am, but it's like, if somebody had it easier than me, like, I want my kids to have an easier life than I did. Well, everyone, everyone says that, but then they, they judge other people who, who didn't have it. as hard as them. I'm with you. I don't like, everybody thinks everyone's life was easier than theirs and they have no concept of what people go through. I'm with you. If you have an easier, easier way to a championship,

you still have to win a championship. You still have to do. It's still very difficult to do. Good stuff, Joy, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lai News. It was the big news at the end of our show and it's a story today that Draymond Green, who's still a member of the Warriors, called out his franchise. His podcast is fascinating, and he's always been an incredibly authentic player.

You know, that's what Draymond ends. You're getting the real dude. Kevin Durant, by the way, I'll tell you what he thinks. So it's interesting. How's it landing with the Warriors? And Rick Buecker covered them in the NBA for a long time since the early 90s,

joins us now live. So when you watch that Draymond Kevin Durant podcast, and I'm thinking, Bob Myers and Steve Kerr watching that podcast too. How did it land for you? Yeah. Well, look, the media is always accused of coming into interviews or conversations with an agenda based on the questions that they ask. Well, Draymond Green is ready to join the media because he came in with an agenda, which was, I want to clear my name.

KD, tell us that the reason that you left wasn't because of our argument. Please say that. And KD. did him aside. And Aladin said, no, it wasn't. It was how the team handled it. Now, this is the part that surprised and quite honestly disappointed me. Is Draymond got what he want at that point? He didn't have to give you the backstory of him meeting with Bob Myers and Steve Kerr. And basically telling them, you're going to F this up.

And then saying, I think they effed it up and getting that co-signed from KD as well. because it's one thing for KD to say whatever he's going to say. He's part of the Brooklyn Nets. But Draymond Green is not only still with the Warriors, but Steve Kerr and Bob Myers are presiding over a team that is relatively young and has not won with Steve Kerr and Bob Myers, the way Draymond and Steph and Clay have. It's not going to affect them.

But James Wiseman, Juan Tuscano Anderson, Jordan Poole, I can't help but feel that those guys now watching that interview are going to look at Steve Kerr and Bob Myers in a completely different way, as will every potential free agent that wants to come to Golden State. So I don't see how this benefits the Warriors in the big picture. It clears Draymond Green's name or at least attempts to, but dumping it on Steve Kerr and Bob Myers in the big picture. is not what this team needed coming out of the gate. So, you know, there's been, I saw a story, I was last week, that the warriors were conflicted on Ben Simmons, who does a lot of things, a taller version of Dremont,

does a lot of things Dremont does, very good defender, can move the fast break. They're similar, they have some similarities. Does this then, does this then, the power dynamic now is, okay, let's just make the Ben's, Simmons move? I mean, is Draymond in trouble being a warrior then? Look, it's a fair question. And honestly, I don't know the answer in terms of how willing they would be to move him. I have to imagine that both Steph and Clay, regardless of what is said, would rather have Draymond than Ben Simmons.

These guys have been successful together. So would I. I would imagine that they would put up a fight. Yeah. But here's the thing. The question I have to ask is, does Draymond want out? Because Because why would you voluntarily put this out there unless you're trying to push the team to make a move and push you out? And this is strictly conspiracy theory, but they're so delicious. How can we avoid it? There was once upon a time a group of players who play for Team USA and they got together and decided, you know what, we should play together. And lo and behold, they wound up in Miami as a big three. Well, Team USA had both Draymond Green and Damian Lillard on it. And if there's one small forward that Damian Lillard and the Blazers have been looking for,

it's a Draymond Green type. Now, I don't know if he'd want to go there. I do know that Damian Lillard would love to play. It has a tremendous amount of respect for Draymond Green. So I don't know whether there's anything to Draymond saying what he said, because he wants to move on, but I'm searching for an explanation as to why he would do it. Because other than just clearing his name and starting his podcast off with a bang, this does a whole lot of damage for where he is currently.

Yeah, it's interesting. I said this yesterday. It was kind of interesting. The NBA came out with its schedule, its Christmas schedule, which is the most watched NBA day until the conference finals. And Trey Young was on it. Jason Tatum was on it, and Luca and Donovan Mitchell and LeBron. It was all these stars and young stars.

Zion wasn't on it. And I thought to myself, Zion's camp noticed that. And I thought, so he's going to have his third coach. I know we say all the time on this show, everything's something. Nothing's everything. But I saw that and I thought, oh, the league chose Trey Young over Zion. A year ago, Zion, two years ago, he was. was the sensation of the Summer League historic. Last year, we couldn't want. Rick, that was not good

for the Pelicans. That was not good for the fans who think he's staying in New Orleans, right? There's a couple of things here. I mean, number one, yes, because it points up to the fact that while you have Zion, you can't look at the Pelicans as being a team that you expect to be meaningful coming up. And if you look at these matchups, they all have an element to them, either an interesting matchup, Chris Paul, Devin Booker against potentially Steph Curry and Draymond Green, Luca Donchitz, Donovan Mitchell. But they're all with meaningful teams. Even the Hawks, Knicks, is a rematch of their first round. And some of it is too in terms of where they are, playing the late game against the Jazz. I mean, that's the first place I looked was that's the game

that you might insert the Pelicans, but you have two teams there with Dallas and New Orleans that's on central time, if I'm not mistaken. And so you can't schedule that quite as late. The game's in Salt Lake City, again, if I'm not mistaken. So some of it is just the logistics. But there's no doubt that at least part of this is because the New Orleans Pelicans just aren't a meaningful team. And the league haven't been and aren't expected to be. and as a result are not part of this slate. It's not all on that, but I look at two, every single matchup has at least one big market team involved in it. So I think that the league was also looking toward, we want to make sure that our ratings are right on Christmas Day as well.

Yeah, so it's interesting. So your Draymond perspective is interesting. He wanted to clear his name, but he probably went too far. You know, you do have a a podcast and podcasts are very unique because they're on tape. And I've said this before. When I do a podcast at home, a lot of times I'll crack open a corona and it's very loose. You can swear in a podcast. I mean, you can do that in a podcast. I can't do it here. So podcasting, in my short time doing it, you get more comfortable on podcasts. And so you come out and you want to have a message and then you start rambling and all of a sudden, dream on throwing I've done it before.

Colin, if you look at all of the incidents, the things that have been said that have blown up over, I'd say the last five years, I would dare say 80% of them came out of podcast. Yes, yes. Where people were just relaxing and just, they were just having a conversation now. The thing is, with Dremont's podcast, I mean, that was heavily edited. He had the opportunity to clean that up if he wanted to clean it up. that was such a juicy item that I guarantee you. Bleacher Report was like, no, we have to keep that. And Draymond went with it because he's trying to make his name in the media world.

This is why this disappoints me. He did all those things. I've always respected the fact that, one, Dremont Green is underrated as he is as a basketball player because of his high basketball IQ and what he's made himself into as a player. have the utmost respect there, and I've always respected the fact that he speaks his mind. But this is going above and beyond, because when he spoke his mind in previous situations, it was trying to get something right. There was a disagreement about something that needed to be fixed. This didn't need to be fixed. This was already in the rearview mirror. This was already done.

And now he's done damage on a team going forward. And I can't say that I've ever done. seen him do that. Yeah. No, it's a good point. Didn't think about it that way. Good stuff. Rick Buecker. Thanks, but appreciate it. Interesting show today. Aaron Rogers is a 50-50 retirement guy and Draymond Greens calling out Steve Kerr. I got to be honest with you. It was fascinating. They're both interesting content. You don't usually see that. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, we want everybody to be real. I love it. I have no problem with it because you're absolutely right. All people have passport. Be authentic. Keep it real. Okay. Well, sometimes you're not going to like what people have to say. There are times, though, like I would never ever bring up I'm thinking of retirement

publicly. I don't think that's good. But again, if that's real. I think it's a leverage move, though. I mean, I do think he was thinking about retirement. But I think him saying that isn't, oh, I'm really thinking about hanging it up. I'm just, I actually thought about retiring overcoming back here. People want to retire. What do you do? I don't want to be in a golf course all day. I can't retire at $35. I don't understand. Retire to what?

I get to talk for a living. I don't understand. I don't understand if you were a mechanic. You got a bad back. You've done it 40 years. There's a pension or something. Like, that guy, go ahead. You know what I would do when I retire?

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I don't know what's going to happen after the season, but I'm going to enjoy it with the right perspective for sure. And not look at as I'm getting through this. I'm just going to enjoy the hell out of it. All right. But you have done a bunch of stuff and we're interpreting it as this is the last year. I'll give you an example.

He had a very funny bite yesterday. But what am I supposed to think when this is the exchange? with a reporter. Is it true? Do you use revenge for motivation? It's never been about revenge. It's about a reckoning. So he doesn't want a farewell tour,

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Just enjoy it. This is his last year in Green Bay. Yeah, it is. No, I mean, this morning, it's his last year. He can't come out and say it because then it, I get what he's saying when he doesn't want a farewell tour.

He can't come out and say, this is my last year in Green Bay because then it becomes all about his last year in Green Bay and it's not about this season. That's unfair to his teammates. It's really unfair to him. Like, he's not going to be able to focus on the here and now, which he seems like he's, very much in that space.

Right. So, you know, the journey is the treasure, and I think he's abiding by that. But meanwhile, while he's doing that, he's just going to sprinkle a few things to, you know, kind of soften the blow when he has definitely peace out at the end of the season. I think we both totally agree with that. A reckoning. I mean, he's just now, he's just screwing with the Packers. And us, you know, in the media.

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