The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 08/27/2021 - HOUR 1 - Jameis Winston

Episode Date: August 27, 2021

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb--in for Colin--tells us there's hope for Saints quarterback Jameis Winston in New Orleans after you look at the history of notable quarterbacks who played in Tampa, flamed out, and had success elsewhere. Plus, CBS Sports' NFL and college football analyst Danny Kanell joins The Herd to discuss college football's shifting geopolitics.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got lots of news. Lots of news. Pack 12 not expanding, Big 12 looking to expand. There's your expansion moment. Maybe we'll circle back to it. The Baltimore's go from Can't Beat anybody to. We only mention this because Ryan Music, producing the show, producer of Colin Cowherd's show, and myself, like only two reputable

living angel fans to ever speak into a national microphone. Of course, the angels are the, they are the good lord, they were giveth and they will takeeth away. They have giveth two wins to the Baltimore Orioles. We got that baseball moment for you. But I guess the big news is that James Winston is the starting quarterback for the New Orleans Saints. Now, I've seen lots of discussions about comeback stories and guys that washed out.

If you followed Tampa Bay football, you know, the likelihood of success is actually pretty good for James Winston, considering he had some limited success during his time in Tampa. You're like, why would that be a prerequisite for a comeback in his career? I'm not sure if you're aware that Doug Williams, yes, he's a problem. black quarterback, won a Super Bowl with the Washington Redskins. Early on his career, they did make the playoffs, was with the Tampa Buccaneers. All right, so it wasn't a complete, do you remember Vinnie Testaverdi? Like, yeah, Vinny Testerverdi. Yeah, I remember.

I love Vinny Testerverty, do you? Do you remember Vinny Testerverty with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? He was the number one overall pick with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was the number one overall pick with the Tampa Buccaneers. His first year, he started the last four games. They went 0 and 4. His second year, he threw 35 interceptions and led the league. His third year, he threw 22 interceptions and led to league.

He was Tampa's quarterback for the first six years of his career. They weren't good years. He was never finished above 500. And with the exception of one good year in Cleveland, he kind of toiled around in the NFL, and then he went to the Jets, and he got to start, and he was 35 years old, and he had an unbelievable season,

and he ended up playing until he's 44 years old. Remember Vinny? Yeah, Vinny at 35, 12, and 1, at 37, 9, and 7, at 38, 10, and 6 with the Jets. He actually led the league in attempts when he was 37 years old. Vinny Testa Verdi resurrected his career after leaving the Tampa Buccaneers. But there's another name of quarterbacks

that you forget sucked with the Tampa Buccaneers. His name is Steve Young. He's in the Hall of Fame. He was drafted at a BYU. You're like, wait, Steve Young played for Tampa Bay? Yeah. Before he went to the USFL, he played for Tampa Bay

and he and the team were awful. They were awful. He was the number 11 pick of the first round of the NFL draft. That actually happened with Steve Young. This is kind of par for the course. Look, Trent Dofer had some limited success.

It wasn't like he shook up the world when he left, but he did win a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens. So the idea that you can't, you know, you can't resurrect your career after flaming out as a high draft pick, you don't even have to search for another team. You simply go with Tampa and I give you Steve Young and Vinny Testaverti back to back. And you're like, wow, I had no idea that Tampa was a vortex of succotude for quarterbacks in the NFL.

But that's what it's been. So James Winston, who I do think we can be honest and say like he had some decent years, some solid years. His last year with the Buccaneers, though he led the league with 30 interceptions, he also. led the league with yards per game, yards, threw for 5,100 yards, right? It was a little bit of putting out fires that he started. And he's a guy who, of the five years he started in Tampa, three of those years, he threw for over 4,000 yards. It's not bad. They just weren't particularly good, finished above 500 only in his second year. And of course, the moment he walks out the door, Tom Brady leads them to a Super Bowl. We're like, ye.

but I want to point this out and it's really, really important. Tony Romo, when he retired from the Dallas Cowboys, said that football is a meritocracy. He was passing the torch to Dak Prescott. Now, it should be pointed out that it doesn't actually matter that Dak Prescott is, in fact, black quarterback, but the fact is, he's black quarterback. And it shouldn't matter that James Winston is a black quarterback.

But can we just point out that what sports is about? Why sports? Not only is a microcosm from so many stories in real life, but in many ways it's better than real life. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that racism doesn't exist. Okay, I'm not going to sit here and, you know, and try and tell you, but the narrative of the NFL or the narrative you will hear from many people in my position, especially at the quarterback position, is stuck in a foregone era. Stuck in a foregone era.

You were told that Lamar Jackson was questioned about his ability to play in the NFL as a starting quarterback. And people would add on to it, well, you know, because he's black. No, it's because he was wildly inaccurate. He had some of those wild misses when he was at Louisville. He's not a guy who's super verbal in terms of in front of the media, which is what most of these quarterbacks have always been. When teams tried to get him in for workouts, they had to work through his mom because he didn't have a traditional agent,

and she didn't return phone calls. It's a very frustrating existence. And even the Baltimore Ravens, who have built an entire offense around him and seen great success. Remember, he was their second pick of the first round. They didn't take him and went there. It wasn't like, oh, he can't wait for Lamar Jackson. As soon as he's available, we're going to take him.

No, they took a tight end who they've already traded away. But you're told by people in my position that sports is somehow determined by your race. No, it's not. It's determined by your talent, your ability to lead, your sports. sports aptitude, but most more than anything, can you help me win games? And are you not going to be in jail? Those two things. And at quarterback, can you lead a room of men?

Right. Now, I think if we're actually fair to James Winston, we're actually fair to him, the fact that he was accused of sexual assault while in college, and whether it was Title IX or the actual criminal justice system, like being accused of something and it, never going to trial, it shouldn't actually necessarily be mentioned or be part of some sort of negative look at who you are. Sorry, that's the way, that's the way we're supposed to view the judicial system. He wasn't, he is innocent. He has never been tried, let alone to be proven guilty. But it's impossible, and this was kind of his argument a long time ago, or his lawyer's

argument a long time ago, it's impossible for that, not to cloud your judgment of who he is. He had the crab legs thing. He had the inappropriate comment when he was at Florida State. He had the off-the-field deal in Arizona, which in and of itself feels creepy and handy. But if you do factor it in with what he was accused of, though never tried for, let alone proven guilty for, when you factor it in, it's reasonable to go like, wow, this. guy mess off the field, bad decision maker. Okay? He goes to New Orleans, sits for a year, and not only beats out a quarterback, beats out a guy

with sweat equity, beats out a guy that makes more money than he does, and beats out a guy who, oh yeah, by the way, Taston Mills White. So before you come at sports with your thoughts that Deshaun Watson was passing, on by the Chicago Bears because the bears inherently, they had some underlying racism. Just know that that's not actually the way that football works. They mis-evaluated Deshaun versus Mitchell Tribusky. It happens. Happens more than you'd like to believe.

That really smart people that love football, watch guys work out, talk to doctors, talk to coaches, do their own evaluations. And they miss. And they miss. And look, Tampa knew of James's off the field kind of nuisance issues. But because of his talent, his football acumen, he was the number one overall pick. And he's a winner and guys followed him. He was the number one overall pick. And after they part with him, he's going through the Steve Young, Vinnie Testiverty

Reclamation Project sort of year off, if you will. And he comes back and because of his work and because of his skill and because of his refinement as far as there hasn't been a whisper of anything off the football field, he won the starting job over Taysam Hill. That's an unbelievable thing. That's a remarkable thing. Tasem Hill makes a lot of money. A lot of money.

And he's made a lot of money for years because, New Orleans has believed in him. I think Taysam's still going to play. I think he'll still play that role of slash. But it ain't got nothing to do with the color of your skin, man. Can you help me win football games? Can you do your job? Can you lead men?

Are we better with you on the field as opposed to anybody else in the football field? That narrative that you've been told still exists in the NFL, the questions about the black quarterback and like, that's not how anybody actually thinks in sports. It's just not. It's not. And it's actually a good thing. It should be celebrated that we're way past that.

And I'm intrigued to see what James can do. Can you think of a guy that's got the lucky horseshoe any better? Right? Like, look, Tampa was a bit of a mess. But they did, they gave him dirt cutter. because they felt like he was their best possible avenue for success. And by the end of the run, they clearly had talent there, not just Cameron Bray, but obviously the talented wide receivers.

And you brought in a Bruce Ariens who lets his quarterbacks, asks his quarterbacks to throw the ball downfield to take some chances. Then he goes to New Orleans and Graydon, he had to sit and learn for a year, but you're sitting behind a Hall of Famer. And your play caller is in the conversation, the best play callers in the history of the sport. James got a great chance. Personally, anybody who's gone through the failures of their own career,

roots for somebody to have a great comeback year. This opportunity was earned because in the judgment of his head coach, gives them a better chance to win, which is what it's been about for a long, long time. And when guys mis-evaluate or evaluate properly, that's all that it's about. James Winston dramatically changing the narrative and reminding you that Tampa has had plenty of quarterbacks

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Open your free. I Heart Radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. All right. So James is the starting quarterback in Tampa. Tom is the starting quarterback in Tampa. Teddy Bridgewater is the starting quarterback in Denver. And Dak Prescott, there's no restrictions now. He's back throwing it at Cowboys Camp. Danny Cannell joins us. He's an NFL and college football analyst on CBS Sports.

You can hear him on Sirius XM. as well every morning talking college football. Danny, let me, let me start with with Dak. I don't know, like perks up my ears when I hear. He's fine, but we've shut him down for a while and he's going to go through a second MRI. No, no, no, he's fine. You've lived it. You understand it.

I've never heard anybody getting an MRI for camparm. So what do you think's going on with Dak? I share your trepidation on Dak. Like I look at that and that raises some eyebrows for me as well. Andrew talking about a quarterback who they now have banked their future on, which I love that. Like before his injury, to have an MVP type season last year and look like he was going to be just off to the races and then gets completely derailed.

But now with an injury that is, you know, required surgery, an entire offseason to get back for that you already are kind of worried about. that leg and now you've got shoulder issues on top of it. This isn't camp arm. Like this to me is something. And you haven't had live reps, you know, and he's here. And you're just going to throw them out there and say, go get him.

Like, let's go. I'm with you. I'm a little bit nervous for him too. He's one of the most likable guys out there. You know, made sense for the Cowboys to actually back up the truck and pay him. But I'm with you. I think it's something to keep an eye on because I don't. know if you've checked their depth chart recently, they're all in on DAC. Like, they got no

fallback plan. So, like, good luck if he's not 100 percent or if he misses a game or two, it's probably going to be a couple of losses. So they don't really have that luxury, which to me, that's whatsoever if you didn't even have the shoulder issue, just coming off the leg injury, if you didn't have the shoulder issue, I'd still think their depth chart is a little suspect. So I'm with you. I think it's a little bit shaky ground there for the Cowboys, but clearly Mike McCarthy and Jerry Jones and the squad, they're like all in with that. And I hope it works out, but I'm with you.

I think it's something to keep an eye on. All right, Danny Canell, of course, started at Florida State. I'm going to ask you about James. I pointed out that, like, the idea of him resurrecting his career, especially coming out of Tampa, wouldn't be the first we've seen, right? Steve Young, Vinnie Testa Verdi, just to name a couple. You know, Dilfer was up and down when he was there. But Young and Vinnie Testi Territi were bad.

and then they became great quarterbacks elsewhere. He takes a year, kind of almost a gap year, sort of, right? And now he beats out Taysam Hill. And, I mean, part of it you'd say, all right, he's having to replace a, he's having to replace a Hall of Famer. But on the other end of it, and maybe the more important event of it, that Hall of Famer wasn't able to throw to all parts of the football field. How do you think James Fares as the Saints starting quarterback?

this year. I think you're going to see a real resurgent year for James Winston. I said this morning, I was like, you know, if you want to take a flyer on an MVP, take a shot of James Winston. We know the talent that is there. You know, he's one of eight quarterbacks that are thrown for 5,000 yards, right? I mean, the list of eight, you know, of quarterbacks who have done that, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Dan Marino, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, and Matt Stafford, who I I also, that's what my pick would be for MVP, a very staffer. But with James, like, I think that surprises some people. And all you think about is the turnovers, which clearly, he also has a record for the most interceptions of the season.

It's not great. But you also, so let me give you an analogy here, because I think if you ask any offensive coordinator or play caller in the NFL, would you rather have a quarterback who is very safe with the ball and he gets you, you know, he's going to, he's got to get like, kind of like Drew brief, he's been the past couple years. Not going to turn the ball over. He's just going to get you safe plays, and he's going to check it down when he's supposed to. But the big play potential isn't necessarily there.

Would you rather work with that quarterback, or would you rather have a quarterback who has tremendous upside who makes all the throws, but you have to rein them in somewhat. It's a little bit of a gunslinger. I think every coordinator, every play caller would say, give me the gunslinger. I'll try to fix them,

which is why I think Sean Payton and the Saints found him attractive. Now, the million-dollar question, or in James Winston's example for maybe a $100 million example of what he's playing for, that's the $100 million question. Can he eliminate some of those bone-handed mistakes that really have plagued him his entire year, even when he was at Florida State? He had the one phenomenal freshman year where he won the Heism, but then he kind of had the turnover bug there, and he's always just tried to do too much and make the superhero throw. And if he eliminates it, the sky is the limit for him. And I think he gets a bad rap reputation-wise, not from the serious stuff that played out in Tallahassee. Like that is in its own.

But for like when people talk about him licking the Ws and some of the stuff that is stupid, like it's really, he's kind of an odd ball. But I will say this. Players that he plays with, they follow him. They like him. He pees up and he's a great energy. He gets the stadium early.

He works out. He puts in the effort. the players will follow him. So, like, that's not an issue. It's really about can he just eliminate the interception? Danny Cannell joining us here. Doug Gottliebind for calling. This is the herd.

Tried to describe to people in the West Coast, like college football. College football kicks off tomorrow. I don't understand the whole week zero thing. I can only relate it to pre-boarding, right? How do you get on a plane before you get on a plane? How do we week zero? They're playing. It's week one.

Whatever. And to say it's a religion in football's religion in the South, especially college football's religion in the South. And obviously, you're all modders gone through a tough couple years here after winning a national championship and losing Jimbo. But for somebody who hasn't experienced it, how would you describe what college football means in a place like Tallahassee, a place like Clemson, South Carolina,

a place like Tuscaloosa, Alabama? So I can feel you know this too. I mean, you lived in around Bristol. You were in Westar. You were in the Connecticut area. I was Cantonese. I lived in Canton. I live in Canton.

I love Canton. It's a great little town there. We would have been very close to each other. So if you remember, it's kind of the same vibe in New England. Like it's all about pro teams. They're like college football. What is that? Like, you know, it's kind of like, oh, that's cute.

Like, oh, it's kind of cute. They're tradition down there. But if you come to the south, specifically, you know, in the footprint, where you mentioned, Clemson, Tallahassee, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Starkville, go all around there. It is everything. And the only way you can truly experience as you have to go. Now, that's prohibitive for some, right? You don't feel like flying there.

And it's kind of a pain to get to a lot of these colleges towns. But they don't have NFL. They don't have NBA. They don't have Major League Baseball. They don't have NHL. is their thing. And every single weekend is a Super Bowl for them. Even if you're Alabama and you're a 40-point favorite, they still show up.

They still go through the tailgating. They still want to be in the stands when it's when it's kickoff. And they're going to be there probably standing for at least the first half. And if it's a good game, you're not sitting down. Like just get ready. You're back. I have a bad back. Like you're going to be sore the next day because you're going to have to stand to see the game.

It is just, it is everything. I think religion is a good way to describe it because it is. And in the South where it's kind of they follow that rhythm, it's, you know, Friday night lights are going to have high school football on Friday. You're going to have your college game on Saturday. And then Sunday you're going to go church. Like it is, it's a part of the religion of the South. And they eat it, they drink it, they sleep it.

It is everything. They win. They are on cloud nine for the week. And if they lose, they are just drowning their sorrows all week. So you've got to experience it, though, to see it in person to truly appreciate what it's all about. Okay, with that in mind, though, it's like I understand what the SEC is doing. I understand what ESPN is doing. It's like, hey, we got a winner here with the SEC.

We got a winner with the college ball playoff. Let's lean into that. Yep. But you got to figure out a way to get the rest of the country involved because, as you point out, Nobody cares in New England or New York. It's hard to get people to care in California, no matter how much they love football and produce football players, if SC isn't involved in the conversation.

Again, it's not their fault, but it does feel like there's a little NASCAR sort of feel to it, where right now it's a little bit of Midwest with Ohio State, and the rest is all Southeast, and that's not great for the long-term health of the sport. No, I would agree with you. That's a concern for me is this risk that is developing between the SEC and between the Alliance, which, you know, the Big 10 ACC and PAC 12, I don't think it's healthy for the

sport. And I'm a little bit concerned that this rift is only going to grow deeper. And with new TV deals coming and what, you know, Greg Sankey says he's done, but do we believe him? I definitely don't with adding Oklahoma and Texas. I think he's, I think he's listening. to all offers because I'm sure schools are calling them. But I'm fascinated because I do think the overwhelming response has been, this is good for the

SEC, it's good for Oklahoma and good for Texas. But I think it's interesting. Do you remember when the Super League in soccer was brought forth? And everybody freaked out and everybody hated it. They were like, this is awful for the sport of soccer, international soccer. And I'm not a huge soccer guy, but I remember they had a deal in place and it went away pretty quickly because the backlash was so swift. The only thing

that's really different in this one is because they are creating this monopoly is they didn't just go ahead and say, all right, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, you know, some of these South Carolina, they didn't say, all right, we're going to do away with you, but we're just going to know, if they would have created

a Super League, I think it would have been the same reaction, but because they didn't ruffle too many feathers, it's like, okay, like we'll take Oklahoma and Texas. That's a big conference. It's a good thing. But I'm worried about the Rift that's creating. And I do think there is some short side in this there. So I do think you bring up some good points about, and that's been a massive problem with the college football playoff as we know it. I've been

pounding the table for expansion, which we were going to get. We were going to get it in maybe a year or two. And that would have brought in the PAC 12 with a bid, and it would have brought in a group of five teams, which I think would have been great for the sport. It would have gotten way more national attention where now if you're getting, and if you two teams out of four into the four team playoff, and if you go to 12, you're going to pound the table and

want six, it's just to me, I wonder if at some point, if the risk goes so bad, if the SEC says, we don't need you guys. We're just going to have our own national champion. And the alliance says, well, all right, we're going to have our national championship. And guess where we're right back to where we are?

We're actually back to the 90s. We have dual national champions. And then somebody will go like, well, let's have a Super Bowl. Like, oh, you mean like a BCS game? Like, oh, yeah, we'll have, we'll have that. That's really what the threat is. That's what the alliance is like, hey, you want to break off? Like, we're going to do our thing.

And I'm sure it's Fox and maybe CBS going like, like, we're not just going to let ESPN control the entire sport. Like, it's not how we're rolling here. So there's a lot still up in the air. Can Scott Frost keep us? Yeah. Can I ask you something? Yeah.

So I know you and I are on the same page with, paying players, right? We've always been traditional, the amateur model, like there is a great return on that. Brett Kavanaugh, David, the Supreme Court justice, I think that's a big reason why this happened. It happened shortly after that 9-0-Alston case. Brett Kavanaugh essentially said, you guys can't feel, I mean, he sounded like Jay Billis, who's been the biggest proponent of paying the players that we've probably ever seen in the fort. And he sounded like he was parroting, but Jay was saying, like, oh, you're exploiting the best, making money, making billions and billions of dollars off the back to these athletes.

I think that's a philosophical different. I think Greg Sankey is saying, we see that coming. We're basically going to have minor league NFL. You know, he's getting the 16 teams, maybe it gets to 20. And he says, all right, we're going to those TVDLs. And we're going to start playing our players because we're going to have to. Are you worried about that? Because I am.

And I worry about it. I think what they're going to, I think here's the, and I talk to two athletic directors in the, in the alliance, you know. And one of their concerns is like, so there's the, I think it's Alston, the Alston case, right? Where they're allowed to pay whatever they want for educational needs, right? So one of the concerns like the Big Ten has is like, look, we're good with that, you know, fine. But I mean, what's to say the SEC doesn't interpret that as, hey, kids got to get to campus. Kids got to get to the practice facility. They're going to need a car.

Where does it end? And the other issue with it, and nobody wants to admit this is, we're getting to the point of playing high school players. Right, that's what the overtime, the overtime thing in basketball, that's not, that's not a college age kids. That's just a paid prep school where you put stuff on, where they use their digital footprint. That's just paying high school kids.

And if you pay high school kids, why can't you pay junior high school kids? Like, where does it actually end? previously it ended you know it ended you know after after college now there there is no real end insight so yeah i i i don't think and the other part to it is like all these people like all these the players they're name me a college football player right now ask anybody like and and make it of not of your school you may know a couple guys at your school name me a you can't because what happens over the next five months is we find players we find their stories and you as a broadcaster Me, when I'm a broadcaster or a radio host,

we tell those stories and we promote them and we market them and we help build up their brand. So, yeah, we're at interesting crossroads. I do want to talk about actual game stuff. You're all modern, historically great, obviously. We haven't spoken. I'm sorry for the passing of Bobby Bowden, but he lived an incredible life.

And for 14 straight years, finishing the top four, like it's just 15th straight years. Crazy. Nebraska during the same time span was similarly dominant. They have fallen on hard times. They thought they'd go get Scott Frost and let's get the band back together and it hasn't worked. Adrian Martinez was his first big get as quarterback. He hasn't worked.

Now he has another shot. Can Scott Frost fix this thing? I think he can, but I think it's going to take some time. It's kind of the thing I've been preaching to four things. Let's be patient. If my H. My number of those three building, the only problem with it,

Scott Brontas has already had time, right? This is a crucial year for him. And now he's got an NTA investigation looming where they're coming, you know, sniffing around saying what happened during COVID, the rules. Do you have analysts that weren't there? You know, you mentioned Adrian Martinez,

who I don't, like, that's all they've got. We were talking about the Cowboys with Dak Prescott. They don't have depth of the position. You feel like they wanted to go. in a different direction last year when they gave Luke McCaffrey a shot. He didn't capitalize on it. Then you had Luke McCaffey transfer out. They don't have a lot of depth. You're kind of all in. Now, he started for three years. He showed a lot of flashes his freshman year and then had

regression both years. Like he really regressed the last two seasons. And I hate to simplify it, but it does come down to his play. If he can play better, and if they can run the football around him as opposed to asking him to carry the load in the run game, I do think. think they could get to seven or eight wins this season. But it's not going to be easy. Nebraska is a place, too, where I think people are discovering it is way more challenging to recruit to Nebraska in 2021 than it was in 1990. Like Nebraska was playing on national TV. You could sell that back then. You know, you only like no one played on me. You know, we had a couple of marquee games on national television. So it was a big deal. Everyone plays on every game is televised at every Power 5 school in

the country. So that's not a sell anymore. You know, kids want to go where they can win the championship or they can go to the NFL. What is it? Nebraska been lacking. There isn't a lot of NFL talents that are coming through there. And it is a talent acquisition business. So for me, it's not even about Scott Frost being the right guy, X's and O, developing players. Can he attract the talent to Lincoln, Nebraska?

And I think it's more challenging than ever. And now that they're in the Big Ten, they're competing with Wisconsin, Iowa, you know, all these other teams that have been recruiting there already. And they're struggling to keep up with even those teams. which is why they're struggling under Scott Fraud. Okay. Your alma mater of Florida State. How far away?

Definitely not this year. Like, it's like the win total is five and a half. I think it's Mike Orbell gets seven and five. It's a big of the year. Again, it's talent. I watched them scrimmage a couple weeks ago, and I was talking to Peter Warwick. He was actually the same weekend that Coach Bowden's service was.

So I saw him there. We went to the scrimmage, and we looked at each other and we're like, where are all the guys? What happened? What, like, what happened? So there was a recruiting gap. I do think when Jimbo Fisher left, he knew he was going to go to Texas A&M, so he kind of let off the gas on the recruiting trail.

Then Willie Taggart took over. There's a disaster that unfolds there. So you have, you know, either a recruiting of the wrong type of player or they transfer out because Willie Taggart's no longer there. Then Norville comes in. First year, he gets the job way late in the game with the early signing period or behind the eight ball. So the talent is.

isn't there. Now, Norville's been crushing it early. He's going to, you know, as of 20, 22, he's already doing really well, but they're not going to be on campus for another year. So it's just it's been a lull and they're suffering because of it. I do like Mike Norvelle, though. I love his plan. I love his energy. I love its vision. But it's going to be a challenge. And the schedule's brutal this year. I mean, they open up a Notre Dame. They play North Carolina is better. They play Clemson who's way better. They play Miami who's better. So, like, there's four losses off the bat. So, you know, and the ACC has gotten a little bit better. It's crazy that you even have to think about this. But against Notre Dame, like a win is kind of a moral victory.

Like keep it close and that's a good thing, which you never would have thought in a million years would have set of this program. The good news, though, unlike Nebraska, talent-rich state, like you don't, you can, you know, with NIL open it up, you can pay guys to come. And, you know, you do have the tradition, which you've seen a little bit more recently in Nebraska with a champion. championship in 2013, but it's going to be an uphill battle for Mike Norville. I just believe it's going to take another year. All right. Last thing.

I'm going to switch back to a team he used to play for the Denver Broncos. Teddy Bridgewater, the selection. But look, he won in New Orleans, but it was, I mean, fewest yards per pass of anybody in the NFL that year. I think they got frustrated with him with Carolina. I mean, he's a good, safe quarterback. They have talent in Denver. Does he fit how they need to play to win?

I worry about my guy, Teddy, because I love. love them. But I do think, you know, we were talking about earlier, but checkdown Charlie versus the gunslinger. And that's essentially what they have on their roster, because Drew Locke is the gunslinger, Teddy Bridgewater, is the more safe, you know, checkdown type of guy. I think this is basically the Broncos saying, let's see if we can, we have an incredibly talented roster. They got talent. Cortland Sutton, Jerry, Judy, the defense still has, you know, some playmakers on it. So they're saying, let's see if we can get safer play. And, win that way, which I do think their roster is talented enough where maybe Teddy can, you know,

make the right decisions, get guys open, get them on the run. They can make some yards after the catch. And they're going to go with that philosophy first. I do, like, I don't think that fits in today's NFL where they're looking for big plays and chunk plays. But to me, this is Warren's excitement on Drew Locke, who I was really out on Highland coming out. I think he's a setback for him. But I wouldn't be surprised they give him an opportunity if going the safe route doesn't work because, I mean, they're not going to have a lot of margin for air playing that way in today's NFL. Especially in that division.

That division is stack. DK, great stuff, dude. Can't wait to see you calling games this year for CBS. Tell everybody I said hi and we'll talk soon. You're the best, man. Have a great weekend. You too. Dallas Cowboys are lying to themselves and us.

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This is the herd line news. There you go, Ryan. What's out? What's going on, Doug? Well, a lot of NFL news this time of year, and one of the most surprising moves of the off-season was the 49ers trading up to number three overall for North Dakota State quarterback Trey Lance. Now, throughout this pre-season, some have.

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Go ahead. This is... Polluting the well? Right. This is fanning the flames of dissension. Just trying to throw fuel on the fire of something that's not really there. But if you can, if you're a rival team and you can, you know, plant that seed of doubt that maybe there should be a quarterback competition there, people lose confidence in Jimmy G. Yeah, I mean, I don't think anything is wrong. Like, yes, everybody knows he has freakish talent, freakish athletic ability.

And eventually he's going to be the starting quarterback of the Niners. but I'm going to side with Kyle Shanahan on this one. Like we can't say Kyle Shanahan is an offensive mastermind and a brilliant guy. And then go like, yeah, except in this particular situation, he's making the wrong call. You know, he might make the wrong call, but he has earned the right, especially within that organization, to make the call. It is interesting, though, that Garapolo was their guy. Kyle was still there and then he's not there guy

eventually but anyway what else you got? Well you touched on it earlier we'll wrap up with this Sequan Barkley not expected to play in the preseason he is on track to recover from his knee injury but he also hasn't confirmed as of yesterday that he will be ready for even the regular season saying we're still working through things

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