The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 09/21/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: September 21, 2021

Colin is unimpressed with the Packers after their bounce back win over the Lions and what it says about quarterback Aaron Rodgers. He discusses Tom Brady’s unparalleled success and how he’s becomi...ng the most famous football player of all time. He shares his Herd Hierarchy through 2 weeks of the NFL season. Plus, FOX Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez joins the show to tell Colin if the Bears should start rookie QB Justin Fields and why Zach Wilson struggled so much against Bill Belichick and the Patriots.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer,
Starting point is 00:00:18 Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
Starting point is 00:00:41 Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J.
Starting point is 00:01:11 And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:01:35 A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:01:58 So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Thanks for listening to the best of Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday. From 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1,
Starting point is 00:02:19 find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com Or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. This is the best of the Heard. with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go on a Tuesday live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Fox Sports Radio, Iheart Radio, right here on FS1, one hour from now, we unveil our herd hierarchy, the 10 best teams in the NFL, what to do with the Raiders 2 and 0, what to do with the Panthers 2 and 0.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Does that mean their top 10 teams? great to have you in. So the funny part about last night is I bet that Green Bay would score first, and they did not. I thought of you as soon as I saw that touchdown. We were talking about it on the show. I was like, oh, that's a lot. I mean, the game ended like we all thought it would end. Right.
Starting point is 00:03:17 But I thought Green Bay would come roaring out of the gates, and Detroit pushed back and move the ball. Listen, Detroit's feisty. Well, they've got actually, their offense has some really good players. But they play tough. Aaron Rogers got hit a couple times yesterday. So maybe there is something to this knee soup. Dan Campbell's got brewing. But they are a tough team.
Starting point is 00:03:41 They're going to push you around a little bit. Well, let's start with that. I didn't learn anything last night. Green Bay wins in the last several years all look the same. Aaron throws for multiple touchdowns. It's pretty. There's three or four big splash plays. Their defense really doesn't make anybody that uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:04:01 and then after the game, Aaron Rogers plays the victim. They're more boxer than UFC fighter. A boxer, you know, can sort of beat you one way. A UFC fighter can wrestle, kick, gouge, do anything. And they feel more boxer than UFC fighter. You know, it's funny, every time Baltimore wins, all I hear is, well, they're one-dimensional, they don't play from behind. Baltimore can beat you a lot of different ways.
Starting point is 00:04:26 They can get physical. They can run. They can eat the clock. they can get into a shootout, Kansas City. They can play fast. They can play physical. Green Bay, they all look the same to me. It's a good team.
Starting point is 00:04:40 They'd be like my fifth favorite restaurant. It's not something I'd wake up in the morning. I couldn't look like, oh my God, I'm going to my favorite restaurant tonight or my second favorite restaurant. It's one of those where my wife goes, they're all booked up. You want to go here? Yeah, that's pretty good. I like that.
Starting point is 00:04:55 That's good. That's how Green Bay wins feel for me. I didn't learn anything last night. but again, they were slick. A couple of big plays. Their defense kind of finesse doesn't make anybody comfortable. Aaron, of course, afterwards plays the victim. I think we maybe tried to show that we cared a little bit more tonight.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Obviously, you cared last week, but you feel like it looked like you didn't last week. Is that kind of what you're applying? I thought he would take that. I just think people like to say a lot of . and it's nice to come back in here after a game like that. I think that there's even more now than when I started playing. There's so many overreactions that happened on a week-to-week basis. So it's nice to come out and have a good performance
Starting point is 00:05:46 and get the trolls off our back for at least a week. There are no trolls. Everybody thought Green Bay would win last night. Everybody thought they'd win big. Everybody, including me, thought they would score first. Nobody really thought Detroit would lead at half. They did. Or Detroit would outgain you.
Starting point is 00:06:04 They did. Or Detroit would average more per play. They did. Aaron likes Hollywood. Aaron likes the attention. He does a couple of press conferences. Green Bay is boring. He's nothing else to do.
Starting point is 00:06:17 And he's always good in front of a mic. He likes the attention. But when Aaron says, you know, people say a lot of things. No, you said you were 50-50 on retirement. you stood in front of a microphone for 20 minutes ripping your front office. You lost to the Saints by 30 and you said you guys were flat. We just reacted to your comments. There's no trolls.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Nobody last night thought Detroit was going to win. I'm as critical of Aaron Rogers as any media person in the country. And I ripped the Green Bay management this offseason. I said they should have called him on Jordan Love. I thought they were going to win going away. I thought they beat the Saints. Aaron loves the attention, and he loves to play the victim. Aaron Rogers has won Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Brady's got seven, and there's large swaths of media that will tell you Aaron's better than Tom. I mean, it's amazing. I mean, like, to suggest Magic is better than Michael Jordan is a no-no. Magic got to nine finals, 30% more than Michael. Bill Russell won 11, double Michael. But if I suggested that I'm crazy town, Brady's got seven, Aaron's got one, and half the media will tell you Aaron's better than Tom. He's not the victim. I like watching him.
Starting point is 00:07:43 I like talking about him when he's interesting. I didn't learn a ton last night. I mean, Detroit and James Winston and Jared Goff move the ball up and down the field on Green Bay. But can we stop with the woe is me? everybody's out to get me. People say crazy things. Crazy things is you saying right before the season. Ah, 50, 50 on quitting.
Starting point is 00:08:04 That's crazy. What are we supposed to not react to it? You were the worst quarterback in the league week one. What are we supposed to not react to it? There is a standard for Aaron and the Packers, and Aaron deserves a ton of credit for that. And so we do judge you like Mahomes, like Brady, like Russell Wilson. We don't talk about your wins over Detroit much and give you credit for beating Detroit.
Starting point is 00:08:27 You're out gained by Detroit. You're not going to get a lot of credit. Detroit's awful. Let's just be honest. You like the attention. You love playing the victim. You're not a victim. No great player gets more love and gets argued you're the greatest talent of his generation with fewer championships.
Starting point is 00:08:48 If I even suggest magic's better than Michael, he was to do. 30 more finals. He won five. And like, oh, clickbait. Did you watch magic? He was unbelievable. Aaron's fine. Boy, he loves playing the victim. So let's talk about somebody who doesn't play the victim, Tom Brady. So it's my entire life, let's be honest, soccer is more international, boxing's more international, basketball. These are more international than the NFL. NFL's a domestic League. We play it in America in high school. We play it in college. You go to the NFL. The NFL's never really been what you would call a global sport. Now, there's an audience. The NFL wants to make it more popular in Mexico. We have games there. And in Europe, you know, there's a few people in Dusseldorf that
Starting point is 00:09:36 like the NFL. But the reality is soccer. When I was a kid growing up, boxing. Ali was the most popular athlete in the world when I was a kid. Muhammad Ali. Michael Jordan was the most popular athlete in the world like 20 years ago. But generally, football players are not global. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre were incredibly popular, especially in the middle of the country. They were doing Oreo commercials and mid-sized car commercials. And I mean, they were just leaning into that middle America and good for them. Peyton and Brett are about the most popular NFL players in America, even more so than Brady. But Brady now is getting into a weird space, weird being like fascinating, where he's the ninth wonder of the world. And I was thinking
Starting point is 00:10:22 about this, there's a stat with Tom Brady that's fascinating. Tom Brady, if you count his regular seasons and his postseason passing touchdowns in his 20s, had 167. He's going to surpass that in his 40s very soon this year, probably by Thanksgiving. Now, I want you to think about that. That's weird. Between his international life, his international commercials, His bizarre longevity, LeBron spends millions a year on his body. LeBron is 36 and he's starting to fall apart a little bit. Serena Williams, 39, 39, not the player she was two years ago. Same with Federer 40.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Messi is 34 years old past his peak, past his prime. Still great past his prime. Ronaldo, 36. He's just cashing checks now. I mean, he's basically cashing checks. Tom Brady is 44 in the most violent sport of all these. And his release times are faster. He wins more.
Starting point is 00:11:30 He wins easier. If you go look at Brady's last 10 games, because remember, he didn't have a preseasoned the pandemic. I don't think it's fair to look at the first half of last year. In his last 10 games, 31 touchdown, 6 picks, 113 pacer rating, 304 yards a game 10 and out.
Starting point is 00:11:46 And has beaten Mahomes, Aaron Rogers and Bree's last year in a playoff run. He's becoming the ninth wonder of the world. At 44, I watched him this week. And I watched him in week one. And my takeaway is, is he better than he was like seven years ago? I mean, think about this. His biggest obstacle now is in his opposition.
Starting point is 00:12:10 It's his wife. Whether or not Giselle is going to say, Tommy, pack it in. I've sacrificed a lot for the family. Tommy, pack it in. I mean, that's what we think, right? she's at some point say, we got the money. Let's spend the rest of our lives together. Belichick, to show you how fascinating Brady is,
Starting point is 00:12:26 Belichick drafted Tommy's replacement seven years ago. The number one pick in the draft, Trevor Lawrence, is less than half his age. Like, Tom Brady doesn't make any sense anymore. None of it makes success. He's the first NFL guy in my life. And I'm not saying he's as big. You know, Ronaldo's got a zillion Instagram followers,
Starting point is 00:12:46 whatever that means. I don't even know if Brad Pitt's on Instagram, but the point is, I'm not trying to make an argument. He's the world's biggest superstar in sports. But he's the first NFL guy in my life between the international life, the international commercials, his unfathomable longevity and his championships. I think he's the first global football player. He's going to throw more touchdowns in his 40s than his 20s. Can you imagine if I said, yeah, messy. He's way better at 44 than he was at 29.
Starting point is 00:13:19 What? I mean, I remember Michael Jordan in his mid-30s. He wasn't the same player. A lot of it was fall away. And that's Michael Jordan. LeBron, 36. He doesn't get tackled. LeBron at 36 starting to get hurt all the time.
Starting point is 00:13:34 He's moved into a very unique international territory. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
Starting point is 00:14:02 embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 00:14:40 This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream,
Starting point is 00:15:08 this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clivert Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or we're you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when
Starting point is 00:15:22 Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out
Starting point is 00:15:33 on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode, with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:15:47 To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests.
Starting point is 00:16:34 I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross,
Starting point is 00:16:56 because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing,
Starting point is 00:17:11 growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Jared Goff, very good first half. He was excellent. 13 to 16, couple of touchdown passes.
Starting point is 00:17:29 And then he fell behind, and he had to throw and didn't have the running game. And Green Bay put a little more pressure on him, and he became the turnover machine that he is, pretty physically limited turnover machine. And that got him booted out of Los Angeles. So it's the second week in a row when Jared has to throw, trailing, doesn't have the running game,
Starting point is 00:17:49 can't rely on it, not playing with a lead implodes. Because he was very good in spots. He doesn't have a ton of escapeability, and he at times can look very frail under pressure. We talk about this all the time, how coaches undermine quarterbacks. But let's be honest, McBae made him a lot of money. You know, it's very interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:11 think about how smart the LA Rams are. The owner's the richest guy in the NFL, Stan Cronkey. He could buy like eight different owners. I mean, he's that rich. The general manager, Les Sneed, is so smart with a cap. They're still paying Jared Goff 13% of their cap, and they still have nine stars on their team, eight stars. They're still paying Todd Gurley.
Starting point is 00:18:30 They worked their way around the cap. Sean McBay is one of the smartest young coaches last 20 years in the NFL. And they all got fooled with Jared Goff. They paid him $134 million in 110 guaranteed. They got fooled by Goff. Because it's very difficult when you're playing with a lead and you're playing with a great run game. Who am I talking about? Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield. This is what Cleveland's worried about. Baker Mayfield now playing with a lead, playing with a
Starting point is 00:18:59 great scheming coach. Baker's in the same situation that Jared Goff was. Jared Goff came into the league first year disaster. Baker came into the league, first two years, disaster. Both, looked overwhelmed, both a ton of turnovers. Then both get a great scheming offensive head coach. Both their coaches are named Coach of the Year, Stefan Ski and McVeigh. Both have excellent O'Lines. Both now have strong running games, both now good receivers, and both always playing with the lead. And it fooled the Rams. This is why I talk about Baker Mayfield. Who gives a rip of he beats in Texans? It's those games against Kansas City. Colin, Baker's way better than golf. bra, which one's been to a Super Bowl?
Starting point is 00:19:43 Which one beat Mahomes on Monday night football? And I mean in a 45-40 game, out-duled him. One Baker. Baker didn't get to a Super Bowl. This is why you can get fooled with this stuff. That's why I say. Baker, Lamar, like Lamar's win the other night. That win on Sunday night goes a long way to getting him the contract.
Starting point is 00:20:08 And I'm not joking. You cannot overplay that. He went right up against Mahomes. It was a track meet. He trails, he leads. Lamar got the bag in that game. That's what you worry about. The Rams are one of the smartest organizations in the sport.
Starting point is 00:20:23 They got fooled with golf. And that's why? Because it's a different sport when you play with a lead and you play with protection. How bad was Goff and Baker in the first couple years? They were just turnover machines because they trailed and they didn't have good protection and they didn't have reliable running games. And now that's what Goff has in Detroit. and he implodes weekly.
Starting point is 00:20:43 So the key for Baker getting the bag is not going to be beating bad teams. It's going to be three or four or five games this year. He trails late, critical situations. Because go ask the Rams. Goff with a lead? Goff trailing? With an average online, two different players. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Hey, what's up everybody? It's me, three-time Pro Bowl of LaVore Arrington. I couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up On Game. What is Up on Game, you ask? Along with my fellow Pro Bowler, T.J. Hushmanzada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right. Plexico Burris. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Up on Game. We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with me, LaVar Arrington, T.J. Hushman Zada and Plexico Burris on the I. I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast from. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.
Starting point is 00:22:20 A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations,
Starting point is 00:23:02 stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, This is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?
Starting point is 00:23:26 Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jek. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:23:48 To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?
Starting point is 00:24:11 Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing.
Starting point is 00:24:47 And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way. Open your free iHeartRadio app.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Here's some overreaction. And Boomer O'Siason had a great career. He's a terrific broadcaster. One of those pro athletes who's really made a name for himself on radio TV. He's terrific. I don't know him.
Starting point is 00:25:34 I used to live out east. I listen to him all the time. Very smart, very funny, beloved in New York, as he should be. But this is the worst overreaction by any member of the media so far this season. He was on a Boston radio station and was asked basically if you had to draft all these young quarterbacks over again, who would be number one? Well, I think Mack Jones would be. I mean, I think everybody sees that and he's in the perfect offense. Mac is in the best situation for a young quarterback.
Starting point is 00:26:04 to be supported by his team, by his coaching staff. And Josh McDaniels, the last two weeks, if you ask me dealing with a novice quarterback in the way that Mack has played and completing about 75% of his passes, deserves a lot of credit for getting him to not try to do too much. Not a single general manager in the league
Starting point is 00:26:25 would draft Mack Jones over Trevor Lawrence today. Not one. Mac Jones through two games has one touchdown pass and one pass over 30 yards. He is managing a beautiful Mercedes. He's just not running it into a tree. I'll give you an example. Trevor Lawrence is putting out forest fires on every play.
Starting point is 00:26:46 He's got an inferior offensive coordinator, a worse offensive line, a coach that's never coached in the league. He has to be in shootouts every game. So he's playing from behind on every play. It's called air yards. When you let go of the ball, how far does the ball travel on average?
Starting point is 00:27:03 Mack Jones, 3.1 yards. Second lowest in the league. Trevor Lawrence, 9.9. Three times, over three times. And that's with a worst whole line, a worse coordinator, worse running game, playing from behind. You're talking about the difference between a 6-6 quarterback with a huge arm, wildly mobile,
Starting point is 00:27:30 having to carry a franchise that outside a wide receiver doesn't have a single unit that isn't in total rebuild. I mean, Mac Jones, they ran a trick play. He's checking down on everything. They ran a trick play, the Patriots did this weekend. He checked down on the trick play. It's a trick play. You do trick plays for the big home run.
Starting point is 00:27:51 He checked down on that. Okay. His air yards are 3.1 per throw. Basically a screen. It's like a bubble screen. They're asking him to do. Nothing. And I think Mac Jones is better than I thought. But there's a big difference being Trevor Lawrence and you're throwing on third and 11.
Starting point is 00:28:13 And Mack Jones throwing on second and four. And this is not a shot. These are two totally different talents. By the way, Mac Jones, the next couple of weeks, has to face the Saints run defense, excellent, and Tampa Bay's run defense. Excellent. You can't run on Tampa. So Mac Jones is going to have to throw the ball down the field. He's not done that in two games.
Starting point is 00:28:39 He didn't do it this week and he didn't do it last week. So come on now. One guy is a game manager and there's nothing wrong with that because everybody manages the game. Once you have a good team, you're all kind of Brady at some points managing Tampa a little. But come on, GMs are two games in? We already got Mack better than Trevor? He is in the best situation to be supportive.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Oh, boomer's totally right. That part is 100% true. What everybody has a right to say and should say, he has the best fit. Yes. Oh, his fit is great because he's not somebody that can overcome a lack of talent. He's somebody at Alabama and New England. Get you into the right play. Accurate, doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Best fit? Absolutely. Boomers right. But redrafting? What? Come on now. Put Trevor in New England this morning. And how would we view the Patriot is a real Super Bowl threat?
Starting point is 00:29:35 One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Heard hierarchy. Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. Despite their loss, Seattle has the highest passerating in the league from their quarterback Aaron Rogers.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Shane Waldron's the new coordinator, and it is a better offense. It's more progressive. They're throwing on earlier downs, and the Seahawks offense is averaging the most yards per play in the NFL this year at 7.4. So the loss was disappointing. But what we always ask about Seattle is, could they open up the offense a little, and they have a new coordinator from the Rams, Shane Waldron, and it looks different. So they still have an elite Hall of Fame level quarterback, an elite coach, Seahawks 10.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Number nine. Bills. Don't overreact to the Steelers lost. They totally outplayed them. Time of possession, yards. They were in the red zone four times. They had a punt block. They have the number two scoring defense, and that is something because they've been working for the last two years to generate a pass rush. They've attacked it in the draft, and if you watch the Miami game, they finally have it. They also have the best point differential through two weeks in the NFL. I still think this team gets to the AFC. championship. Hey, Belichick's had bad losses in September. Don't take too much from the Steelers' loss bills at nine. Number eight. Now, this is where Colin gets into overreaction
Starting point is 00:31:10 territory. I like the Broncos, and I liked them last week. They've outgained their opponents by more yards than anybody in the NFL except a singular team. Now, last year, they had 32 giveaways, but with Bridgewater, they don't give the ball away. So we said this all off season. This is a playoff roster. This is a excellent roster. Perimeter. They blocked. They got a pass rush. One of the best defensive coaches. And now Teddy B doesn't turn the ball over. So to me, I don't think I'm overreacting.
Starting point is 00:31:38 I picked them to be, what, eight and nine because we just didn't know this schedule was tough. The division's tough. But this to me is a team that is close. I'm not sure if they're there yet to getting into a Super Bowl bubble what I've seen so far. Number seven. Cleveland would be in my Super Bowl bubble barely. They do. Baker leads the NFL in completion percentage because this team has a formula. The only question with this team, why I can't make them top five, is can they play outside the formula?
Starting point is 00:32:04 The formula is they play with a lead, they control and manage Baker, they have seven rushing touchdowns that leads the NFL, but can they win big games when they trail? The great teams in this league can win a multitude of weight. The score is less relevant. So they have a formula. The formula is working. I think they're very good. They would be on the fringe of my Super Bowl bubble, but they do have the best offensive line in the league. and arguably the best running game.
Starting point is 00:32:30 And you go look at when Dak Prescott had that five years ago, they went 13 and 3. That's hard to beat. Number six. But Arizona is so explosive offensively, I put them one spot ahead. I mean, Kyler Murray is remarkable. And the other thing they have, they have two things here that are very valuable, and they go great together.
Starting point is 00:32:50 They're dynamic offensively. They score points. So they're going to lead a lot of games. And what do they have? A great pass rush between Chandler Jones and J. J. Watt. That's the old Bill Poldian thing when he drafted Peyton Manning. We knew we'd lead, so we had the draft pass rushers. So Arizona's got two things, and not a lot of teams have it. A crazy, productive quarterback and a fantastic pass rush. Only question for them is their division,
Starting point is 00:33:15 which is brutal. Number five. Niners by an inch. They're not as dynamic. They're not as fun, but they may have the second or third best offensive line in the NFL. They've only allowed one sack this year, and that's with Jimmy G. They've had major running back issues like Baltimore, so we don't quite know what they are. I thought winning last week was really impressive. They're running out of running backs. Garoppolo played poorly in the first half,
Starting point is 00:33:40 and they beat what appears to be a very competent Philadelphia team. So Jimmy did not throw the ball down the field last week. He only averaged 3.8 yards per error attempt. So it was a very, let's get to Philadelphia, let's get a lead, let's get out of town. They're kind of limping right now, so I may have them a tad high. high, but I would have the Niners at five. Number four. Kansas City. Listen, they trailed Cleveland badly in the first half and lost to Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:34:05 I'm not, I've got no questions about the offense, but I've watched two teams run the ball right down their throat. Now, it may be because Cleveland and Baltimore are the two best rushing teams in the league, and it may improve dramatically. But right now, and we all know Kansas City is going to be around at the end, but I've seen you lose and I've seen you trail, and both teams ran the ball kind of when they wanted to. so I got you at four. Number three.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Ravens by an inch. Number one rushing team in the league. We now know they can play from behind. I'm not going to take too much out of the Vegas loss because they lost three running backs the week before. It was a little bit of chaos. It was the opening game in Vegas. Derek Carr is really good.
Starting point is 00:34:44 They got into a shootout. And they could have won that game very easily. So when I look at this team, I look at a team that does something so well. They're literally averaging 220 yards rushing. The next closest in the league is one. They are so great at running the football and controlling the clock that is a great thing to have against great teams. Why?
Starting point is 00:35:05 Because you can make Aaron Rogers a spectator and Brady a spectator and Mahomes a spectator and Josh Allen a spectator. Never ever, I know it's a passing league. A dominating clock eating running game is the great equalizer. Number two. The Rams. Listen, here's why I have them too. I didn't think they played well. And they beat a desperate Colts team on the road.
Starting point is 00:35:30 And I think the Colts are pretty good. They had a terrible special teams gaff. Stafford was hit and miss. I did not think they played well. But the fact is, Sean McVezo has been a great September coach. Fourth straight year, they're 2-0. Stafford looks comfortable. They've had between Cooper Cup and Robert Woods.
Starting point is 00:35:49 That may be the most underrated tandem in the league because neither one's an over-the-top guy. But Cooper Cup and Robert Woods, they're kind of dup. of each other. Catch the ball. Great after the catch. Can be spectacular. Faster than you think. I have the Rams at two. Number one. Tampa Bay, although I do have concerns, their defense doesn't have the juice it did last year. You pay everybody on one side of the ball. Everybody falls in love with themselves, and it's not Todd Bowles, because we know he can coach. Not that. And we know it's not talent. So why isn't their defense playing as well? Is the offense ahead of the defense? I don't know. I will say this. Brady looks so ridiculously comfortable.
Starting point is 00:36:31 The thing that's underrated about this team is their offensive line. The thing that's overrated is their running back play. It's very hit and miss with Rojo and Leonard Fernette. But right now, you'd be nitpicking not to have them as the number one or two teams in the league. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHard radio app be careful what you wish for Zach Wilson of the Jets these young quarterbacks can be unraveled unveiled here very quickly Matt Nagy and the media in Chicago the media wants Justin Fields to play
Starting point is 00:37:12 Matt Nagy wants Andy Dalton to play so this is the confrontation Nagy's a very nice guy smile on his face but it's getting a little surly around the quarterback position with the bears If Andy's healthy, is he your starter? If Andy is healthy as he your starter, that's something that I'm not going to get into with scheme. That's that scheme. Of course it is. That's a 100% scheme, Brad.
Starting point is 00:37:38 That's 100% scheme. Whether it's scheme or not, Chicago's got a bigger issue, Bears fans. It's your front office. Think about this. You're always up against the cap. And yet you're the only NFL team that's always up against the cap. And you don't pay your quarterback anything. The Rams are so well run in terms of the cap.
Starting point is 00:38:00 They pay their quarterback a fortune, the highest paid corner, the highest paid defensive line, highly paid wide receivers. And Jared Goff on another team is still 13% of their cap. And they can still afford a quarterback, a defensive lineman, a great corner. You guys had to get rid of your best corner and you don't pay your quarterback anything. One's a rookie and one's Andy Dalton on the cheap. I mean, tell me a unit for the Bears outside of linebackers. That's great.
Starting point is 00:38:30 I don't have one. I mean, offensive lines a mess. Secondary now in a rebuild. Linebacker's great. You got Rokane Smith, Quinn, you know, you got lineback. It's eating all your money up. I mean, we have teams in this league, Kansas City, Tampa, Seattle, Cleveland, Rams.
Starting point is 00:38:49 They have multiple stars in multiple units. I mean, in Tampa and Kansas City, in the Rams, it's 49ers, you're paying your quarterback a lot of money and you have highly compensated offensive lines in San Francisco. Highly compensated defensive lines in San Francisco. Chicago's out of money and they pay the quarterback nothing because they pay their linebackers too much. Not exactly the most important position on a field, obviously, or you'd win more. So the bigger issue here is what I have a problem with, you've been trying to rebuild that offensive line for three years and it still stinks. it still stinks. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd
Starting point is 00:39:27 weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Now we can bring in Mark Sanchez. It's not my ridiculous, clunky segue. How do you view that? So how old are you right now? I'd be 35 in November. 35. So when you were playing, I mean, you're obviously
Starting point is 00:39:43 you're an athlete, you're disciplined, but like would you have a glass of wine during the season? Occasional, yeah. Not much, though? No, not a ton. I was a little more disciplined. discipline, but I mean, once you're bouncing around and you're not the starter anymore. Flo's sneak a little cheeseburger and here for a good time, not a long time, you know, that kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:40:03 That's my kind of living right there. So you did the Bengals Bears, so let's get right to this. Bengals Bears, so before, you know, you broadcast, you sit down with Matt Nagy. Oh, yeah. That's what everybody does? You sit down with the coaches. So get what was Matt Nagy trying to sell you on the Andy Dalton Fields thing. And listen, I agree with him. I want to preface this. with, I agree with what he's talking about, 100%. He said, listen, Andy Dalton is Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes. Andy Dalton is Alex Smith for, you know, Justin Fields. He's going to help him.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Justin Fields is going to learn from him. He's going to glean a lot of personality traits and quarterback traits that you want him to have moving forward because he's this explosive, amazing athlete, but we just got to put it in the right pieces, you know, know when to use which club out of your golf back, right? Like, no when to hit a trick. and no one to just keep it easy. So while I agree with him that that's a great idea, might be best for Andy,
Starting point is 00:41:00 might be best for Justin, might be best for the Bears, probably is it's a different market and a different time. I mean, Patrick Mahomes wasn't quite this draft pick that Justin Fields was. Well, we didn't watch Patrick Hall. Four, four? And we didn't watch Patrick Mahomes in college.
Starting point is 00:41:18 This national presence showing up in the building in Chicago. I mean, the Chicago, Kansas City issue in itself, just the media market. Chicago might be bigger than New York because they have two teams. So sometimes you get overlapped or overshadowed rather by the Giants or Jets, whatever. Right. Because there's other stuff going on unless they both suck. Well, then you're both getting it from all angles. But Chicago's a massive market.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Eight million people in one NFL team. Just dying to see this kid play. So while I agree with him and in a vacuum and maybe in Kansas City, it works. Chicago is so hard to do that. And I mean, you could see it as soon as he took the field. Andy had just hurt his leg. And as soon as he takes the field, the place just erupts. I mean, I could barely hear Kevin Coogler.
Starting point is 00:42:04 I could barely hear the producer in my ear. This place went nuts. And I was looking around like, oh, my God, what happened? Now, his argument would be Justin Fields isn't ready. In the limited time, what did you see? I think that's a fair assessment. I think Justin has shown flashes. And, I mean, he's really close.
Starting point is 00:42:20 It's coming down the pipe. Like, could be tomorrow. could be in three weeks. But what I really saw was their plan this week was first down. We're going hard sell play action. First down, first in 10 and P and 10. So possession in 10. As soon as you get the ball, the first start of a drive, P and 10.
Starting point is 00:42:36 We're going hardcore play action, low pad level up front, sell the run. You know, backs are going to be in the flat or whatever. But we're taking shots. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get behind the Bengals defense and test Jesse Bates in this secondary. That's what we're doing. And Andy, to his credit, about three, four, five drive. in a row, boom, does his big fake, back to the defense, head down, selling, selling, selling,
Starting point is 00:42:58 looks up, defense is deep, linebackers expand, boom, back. Montgomery, Damien Williams, Montgomery, Damien Williams. And they're getting five to nine to 12 yards a clip. Bam, bam, bam, bam. They're going right down the field. They get a couple cheap penalties. Bam, they're in the red zone, touchdown. So Andy's playing it the way you want to play it. Justin goes in, same game plan. Hard sell. Hard sell. Back to the defense. Boom, pops up. Oh, this doesn't look like a did in practice because I guarantee they gave him reps in practice and he launched bombs. You know, he was throwing 60 yard bombs. Well, it didn't work. And Justin, boom, immediately, boom, takes off and runs, which is fine. He's going to get yards. He's fast enough to do it.
Starting point is 00:43:36 But if you're just training a quarterback to immediately assess the defense, just get it to your playmakers, right? Sometimes you can distribute without having to put your body on the line. Now listen, fourth quarter, there's a breakdown in the interior of your line and you got to get out of there. Well, he's your got to do it. And that's great. And he'll know when. right it's it's the discernment of when to take off and run when to slide when to dive for the first down he's learning all those things and so you know the more time he has to learn it the better off he'll be it's just that hourglass is just getting lower and lower and lower and the fan base i mean as soon as naggy says that there's 65,100 people in that uh or 61,5 whatever it is at the bear stadium at soldier field that disagree just no and he's no we want justice
Starting point is 00:44:22 That's just how fans are. And the Chicago media is highly compensated more than Kansas City. They're more aggressive. Matt Nagy doesn't have a Super Bowl ring, so they're more aggressive toward Nagy than you would be in Kansas City toward Andy Reed. So it is. It's a different dynamic. It's a fair argument. It's hard to pull it off in that market.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Hard to sell in that market. This is a topic that you know very well because you face Belichick and had success, actually, which few young quarterbacks do. But Zach Wilson, my concern was Zach out of college was good arm, move. Sometimes like Manzell, he's showing off a little bit. A little much. And that was my knock on him. And a lot of times in this league, boring, DAC against the Chargers. Just, I'm going to take what they give me. It's not going to be. Herbert can have all the splash plays. I'm going to be boring. So take me to what Zach Wilson saw that you've seen from Belichick. I've seen Darnold now. Zach Wilson just come unravel. What did he see? Listen, it's every, death,
Starting point is 00:45:22 taxes and a Belichick defense versus a rookie quarterback. Bet the farm on it. Are you kidding me? It's a no-brainer. And, you know, he has you second-guessing everything, you know, your protections up front. You're second-guessing everything. The year we won, I didn't realize how big of an accomplishment that was in our, in my rookie year, because I was in such a bubble and we're trying to like keep every, you know, don't tell Sanchez everything. He doesn't need to know everything. Right. But we went into that game. with one of the most basic game plans of all time. And we ran those plays like 30 times during the week,
Starting point is 00:45:58 just over and over and over. So I had answers versus everything, right? That was the idea. Plus, we had Brad Smith. Plus, I forgot to motion a guy and threw a touchdown to Dustin Keller. So it gave them the weirdest look they've ever seen. And Dustin Keller was so open
Starting point is 00:46:11 because I forgot to motion Jericho Kotry and I got to the sidelines that everybody's high-fiving. He's like, yo, you missed the zip motion? What were you doing? And I was like, oh, I knew it looked different in practice. So, I mean, that kind of threw them off. So sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes, you know, you have a great game plan.
Starting point is 00:46:29 But we went up there in October. It was right around Halloween to play them the second time. And now everybody's talking like, oh, you guys got them the first time. And I'm like, hey, man, we're going to be just fine. What? Through four picks and put Lee Bodden in the Pro Bowl. I gave him two or three of them. I mean, it just a totally different game.
Starting point is 00:46:46 No, it was like the false game plan for the first two drives. It was like, oh, we're getting the same thing as last time? Sweet. Let's go get him. Third drive? Whoa. A couple boomerang balls. Going the wrong way.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Oh, my God. That's just the way he is. And it makes it so tough on your team. That's who they are. Mark Sanchez. Ten NFL seasons now a Fox Sports analyst has the Seahawks and the Vikings. By the way, I'm not sure how much tape you've jumped into yet. But Shane Waldron, who was a passing game coordinator for the Rams, has moved up to Seattle.
Starting point is 00:47:19 The Seahawks are averaging the most yards per play. They lost this weekend, but when you look over the tape, the knock has been, oh, it's run on first down. And you know Pete. Oh, yeah. It'll be interesting when you break down the tape because I watch this weekend, and they're throwing it. They're a little more unpredictable.
Starting point is 00:47:37 A little more unpredictable. They love their play action shots like McVeigh, using a little bit of fly sweep stuff, did a little, what they do? They did the fake fly sweep, fake toss, turns into a naked, which was awesome, like the Bengals did, week one. You know, those kind of creative plays to get Russ on the move, that's huge for him because he just processes so well as the play gets longer and he's moving. So he's the rare quarterback who moves and never gets hit. Carson Wentz is the opposite.
Starting point is 00:48:06 And I was saying there's only two things I don't know if I can coach out of a player. Indifference. Ben Simmons. I like the game. I don't know. Like Kobe lived for the game. Oh, yeah. Michael lived for the game.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Certain players are like, yeah, I like the game. And I can't coach you out of that. The second thing is, reckless. Some guys, you probably had teammates at USC. They would take an ATV over a cliff. They'd bungee jump. It's their DNA. Like they're just, they're rough.
Starting point is 00:48:34 They're fun. They love the action. And I watch Carson Wentz, Mark, and I'm like, he knows he can't get hurt. He knows the offensive line for the Colts is struggling. He knows Aaron Donald's four feet from him. And he's just, can you coach it out of them? It's like playing like you're in Vince. right? And it's, you're right, it's difficult to get rid of that. That's who he is. He's a big, strong guy. So was Carson Palmer. I mean, Carson Palmer used to just level defenders in high school and college. And then he learned when he hurt his shoulder, like, whoa, you can't do that anymore. And usually it takes once, right? You burn your hand on the stove and it's like, whoa, I don't really want to do that anymore. And unfortunately for Carson, it's like, okay, when is it going to be enough? Like, when is it going to either hurt enough or have something taken away from you?
Starting point is 00:49:22 to realize, hey, man, I can't do that anymore. And, you know, all quarterbacks go through a little bit of that when you're uber talented. I think, you know, holding the ball with one hand. I mean, I got caught doing that all the time. And it was something that you almost like rebel against because the coaches are like, dude, can you just please put two hands on the ball? And you're like, yeah, but it's, okay.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Like, he got lucky that time. But you got away with it in high school and college. You get away with it. You get away with it. It's like making the fade away three-pointer, right? And your coach is like, great. Like, please don't shoot it. Okay, good shot.
Starting point is 00:49:52 but that's not the technique. That's not the coaching we're giving you. And when it works, it's hard to tell you no. And on his year that he was going to be MVP, right, before he got hurt and Nick Foles wins the Super Bowl, that's the way he was playing. And he got away with a lot of that stuff. So when you do, it's hard to go back.
Starting point is 00:50:09 And it's hard to pull the reins back a little bit. And it's almost like almost the way the Patriots are coaching Mac Jones. Now, he doesn't have that much talent, but they're not giving him that much to do. Like, let's just hit all the layups. Let's just check the boxes. Let's keep it simple. And then we'll build you up.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Same thing they do with Brady. His first Super Bowl drive to win. He threw one ball over 10 yards. He hit his running backs and his checkdowns over and over and over. Then he hit one great ball to either Dion Branch or somebody on a deep crosser off a play action with two backs and a tight end in the backfield. Okay. So this wasn't some five wide explosive offense.
Starting point is 00:50:49 But he just did it in increments and chunks. eating an elephant, just one bite at a time. And it's easy to say from this chair. Right. So of all the rookie quarterbacks, I feel bad because Trevor Lawrence is being asked to carry a bad roster. Mack is being told to park the Mercedes. Just don't hit a tree. It is a different experience.
Starting point is 00:51:08 When you came into the league, you had a very good defense and you had a running game. So it was an experience in which you inherited, probably the last great Jets roster or really good roster. Not probably 100%. It was a good roster. Not even close. the best roster they've had since 2010. So tell me
Starting point is 00:51:25 what Mack Jones is going through. When you would get plays, were you thinking yourself, oh, can we loosen it up? I mean, it was third and six, and we're running power. Okay? We're pulling a guard with two backs
Starting point is 00:51:37 in the backfield. And everybody in the stadium knows where we're going, and we'd still get first downs because of Thomas Jones, Tony Richardson, Brandon Moore, Nick Mangold, I mean, Alan Fanica,
Starting point is 00:51:46 our two badass tackles and Brick and Damiena Woody. Like, that's what we, we had five blocks of granite up front. We had solid wide outs. And, hey, Sanchez, don't screw this up. And even when I did, we were in games. I threw five picks against the bills. And we almost won. The game went to overtime, okay? Five picks and we rushed for like 250. But is it hard because Mack Jones has been a big play guy. And you were a big play guy in college. You're rolling out. With Sark. Same thing. But was there moments, you're like, let me cut it loose. Do you fight that in your head? Does Matt Jones fighting that?
Starting point is 00:52:19 He probably is. I think they're just doing a great job of reminding him what's at stake. And the most important thing is like you're learning what wins games. And obviously scoring points, field position, taking care of the football. But most importantly, what's going to lose? What loses the game? And when you do that and the coaches do a great job of explaining this, there's no place for this. Inexcusable.
Starting point is 00:52:43 You cannot do this. One hand on the football. When you hold that football, you know, they would tell us. You hold the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of the entire organization. Every time you're holding that Wilson football. That's a lot of pressure, right? It's casual. The guy in the concession stands who's, you know, excited for this game and wants your team to win.
Starting point is 00:53:04 You have his hopes, dreams, and aspirations in your hands, in your possession, and you're going to touch it every play, quarterback and center. Running back sometimes you, receivers sometimes you. Lyman, if you get a chance, you better cover that thing up. Like, that's how they coach him there. That's how they teach him the importance of. protecting the football. So because of that, just like you protect your newborn, well, you're not going to go throw your newborn in the ocean, right, and see if it works. Like,
Starting point is 00:53:28 oh, hopefully you can swim. You don't do that because you want to take care of it. So they're just giving them little bits, little bites, little nibbles. And then when it's time to go win the game, hey, go be you. Go have fun. Cut it loose. So how old were you when you left the NFL? Oh, man, 32. Had you been starting, had the support, how would you be you? How would you? your body at 32 because Brady's 44 and almost looks better. How was your body at 32? It was good. I could still do it. What really threw things off. And this is the issue. Like for Carson, like his back was one of the first things. Carson Wentz or Carson Palmer? Wentz. Sorry. His back was one of the first things. And that like affects everything. Right. If you get lower
Starting point is 00:54:09 extremity stuff, then it just starts going up the chain. If it's your ankles, boom, your knee is going to be a little funky. Your hip's going to be a little funky. Your hamstring, all this stuff. Things start to tweak because you overcompetent. state for other injuries. The classic groin injury, you injured. Yeah, and then the boom. Man, you got tight IT ban on the outside of your leg and boom, your kneecap pops. It's like, whoa, what the heck?
Starting point is 00:54:29 Now my ankle sore and my calf is weak. So Brady hasn't had that. Well, he had the knee thing, he had a shoulder thing, but he's rehabbed him in a way or whatever he's done, drinking some elixir, like, how do you do that? The fact, and I guarantee his warmup is longer
Starting point is 00:54:45 than his workout right now. Just to get ready to go, it would longer than lifting the actual weights. And before it was the other way around. You just walk out there, touch your toes, move your arm around, and go ball. But you can't do that anymore. And so he's taking it to this next level of longevity and preservation and rehab. And his whole thing is, as soon as it's done, who can recover the fastest?
Starting point is 00:55:08 Who can get there fastest? Like what do you think Brady does? Games over. He's driving home with a fam, gets home. What does he do? I bet before he even leaves that place. Or he goes to a place where it's, stretching, ice bath, you know, contrast, hot, cold.
Starting point is 00:55:23 I guarantee he's, you know, massage. It's all that before he even, you know, he does his whole routine before he does any of that. Or he sees everybody real quickly and then, hey, I'll see you in about three hours. Former Trojan Sam Darnold has support 2 and O. It's amazing when you can play with a lead and a running game. What do you make of the Panthers? They play Thursday against the, I will say this if you haven't watched Carolina. I know McCaffrey's the story, but good God, their defensive front is relentless.
Starting point is 00:55:54 They've got a lot of first rounders up front. Their pass rush is maybe not the Steelers, but it is unbelievable. What do you make a Sam, though? Well, it's such a benefit and such a luxury as a quarterback to have a defense and a running game. I mean, when did he have that? When does he have that? Well, you're never in a shootout. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:11 And he's just playing it the way you're supposed to, the way Joe Brady's designing and intending for him to play, meaning go do your job. Don't worry about all the other stuff. And the noise level in Carolina? I mean, it's almost mute, right? Like in New York, it's as loud as it comes, right? Somebody in your ear every day with a bullhorn, oh, you're terrible, you suck, your team sucks, this, that, and the other.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Oh, you're a bus, this, that, and the other. Well, there, it's pretty minor. It's almost a college town. Oh, yeah. You have a supportive media. And Sam, you know, Sam, he's so, SoCal. I'm SoCal, but he's real soCal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:47 He's relaxed. He's cool. He's easy. he's going, but he's got some, he's got something to him. He's got that juice to him, and he couldn't really, like, express it. He couldn't really get it out. And now he's got a chance with players he's worked with before, with a stud running back. I mean, knowing you're going to be in second and medium, that just opens up your whole playbook. That just gives you so much confidence knowing, hey, man, we got a shot here, not, oh man, I hope we can stop somebody today. Also, when you have a great
Starting point is 00:57:12 defense, which you had with the Jets, you often start the drives at the 35. I mean, a 40-yard drive is a lot different than an 80-yard drive. It's so different. The playbook closes if you start at the 17. Absolutely. And you know, these guys are, the receivers he has now, Robbie McCaffrey. DJ Moore. These guys, they're not only going to catch the ball, but he's going to put him in a position
Starting point is 00:57:34 to throw the ball accurately and give them a chance to just get a couple yards after. Those yak yards, the way they knife, the way they're taught to get upfield and get vertical immediately, especially when all these defense are just playing this, like, stagnant, you know, a stingy red zone defense where they just kind of stand in their positions and you're, you're not going to throw it over their head into the actual end zone. You've got to throw it underneath and knife in. That's so hard to do. You need veteran teams and veteran players to do that. He never had that chance in New York. Never. McCaffrey is the rare athlete. Edger and James could have done this. Macafrey could be a starting
Starting point is 00:58:08 receiver in the NFL. Oh, he's sick. He runs. He's silly. Not like just casual routes. He would be one of the best route runners in the league as a receiver. 100%. I watched him last week. He makes clever safeties. And crosses him up. And the best part is he gives you indicators with his feet, his hips, his shoulders, his eyes, his head movement, boom. And Sam knows exactly when to get the ball out. Those guys are so easy to throw to. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day,
Starting point is 00:58:46 and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:59:01 or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
Starting point is 00:59:24 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 00:59:50 This is a place for raw unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. On the Look Back at a podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84's big to me. I'm Sam J.
Starting point is 01:00:15 And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:00:39 This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.