The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 09/21/2021 - HOUR 3 - Quarterbacks

Episode Date: September 21, 2021

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Well, we're two weeks into the season, and we've seen a little bit of the rookie quarterbacks. Some have performed better than others. And Boomer Asim was asked, who would be the number one quarterback if teams could do this year's draft over again? I think Mack Jones would be. I mean, I think everybody sees that, and he's in the perfect offense. Mack is in the best situation. for a young quarterback to be supported by his team, by his coaching staff. And, you know, and Josh McDaniels, the last two weeks,

if you ask me dealing with a novice quarterback in the way that Mack has played and completing about 75% of his passes, deserves a lot of credit for getting him to not try to do too much. I don't know that we've seen enough of any of these quarterbacks to really fairly ask this question. Like, it's been two weeks. Yeah, Mac is averaging 3.1 yards. in the air per throw.

That's a bubble screen. Trevor's averaging 9.9, meaning with a bad O line, he is trying to carry a team to points. Mack is managing his team to first downs. They're being asked to do two separate things. Yeah, and he did lose a game. He has one TD in two games.

I mean, they're not asking him to. Look, everything that's been asked of Mack, he has done. That's right. He is in the best situation for any of these young quarterbacks to be in. he is getting probably the best all-around coaching everything is very fluid there

like it's an easy transition for him maybe other places are a little more difficult but I don't know that I've seen anything from any of them that's either changed my opinion about them or that would change the draft order that's the best way to put it. I haven't seen a thing that changes my opinion about any.

Yeah I mean even Zach Wilson like okay he went up against the Patriots defense Bill Belichick who gobbles rookie quarterbacks alive there's nothing about that game was surprising to me. I don't care if he threw 15 interceptions. That's exactly how I expected it to go. Yeah, I said Zach Wilson reminded me of Johnny Mansell with a better arm

that he plays sometimes like a show off. Like I worried about him sometimes just doing his thing and I thought Sunday, he just did his thing. But I do, I also think Zach Wilson has a really good arm. No, he has talent. He will throw for a lot of touchdown. And it's going to be, it's going to be on Zach Wilson to

find a way to play within what he is supposed to do, as Robert Salah said. play a boring game. Is he able to do that? That is what you will develop into as an NFL quarterback, not trying to make a 20-point play. But, I mean, redrafting the order yet, like, it's probably an unfair question. Let's just maybe wait. It's wait to like halfway through the season before we start evaluating if we're going to redraft the order. So Ryan Fitzpatrick is out with a hip injury and Taylor Heineke is getting his chance to start for Washington. Alex

Smith played with Heineke in Washington and thinks his former teammate has what it takes. He said, I absolutely think Taylor could lead the team to a division title without a doubt. I remember hearing about Taylor when he was a younger player in Minnesota and they had a bright future to see him come off the couch last year. The way he handled himself, I think he realized that. I think he's grateful for the opportunity, but he's got a lot of talents. He does, and they let him throw it 46 times. So we said this, Washington, the coaches acted as if they trusted Taylor Heineke,

more than giant coaches trusted Daniel Jones. So I don't know what that means, but it's something. They let him throw, and they had a good running game. So they coach like they trust him, like they're willing to watch and make plays. And they should have in that spot. I mean, you're on a short week. You lost Ryan Fitzpatrick. You might as well find out what he can do in a divisional game with the pressure on.

And I thought he performed well. I still maintain I did not like what they did going into the season, the quarterback situation. So I thought that they should have been more aggressive in the off season about getting a quarterback. I didn't like the situation to begin with. but now you're in it and who really is on the market. Now, you like Nick Foles a lot. I've been saying this now. The best backup in the NFL, Nick Foles,

now this is in the playoffs. You're facing the best coaches and the best coordinators. In the playoffs, Nick Foles has a 98 quarterback rating, 11 TDs 4 picks. So I'm not saying Nick Foles, I want to build around. No, of course. But when he's been given Doug Peterson, when he's been given Andy Reid, he is more than effective.

There's a difference between I'm going to build around you and I'll pay a $7 million to be a backup. Like Nick Foles to me is a very, first of all, Nick's big. Nick's got a whip. So you would feel better about Washington winning the division if they had Nick Foles right now? Slightly, yeah. Because I don't, I mean, this is, their quarterback situation is why I didn't take them to win the division. I like everything else about the team. Yeah, I mean, if you're.

And I don't know that Ryan Fitzpatrick being out and Taylor Heineke being in changes my opinion about it either. Taylor Heineke reminds me a lot of Gardner Minshu. He's a gamer. You can win a bunch of games with him. I like him. Right. But again, like and I'm going to build my franchise around you. Or this is somebody who can win us multiple playoff games.

Like Teddy Bridgewater. He's the best, perfect name. He's the best bridge quarterback in the league. I like him. I would have chosen him over Drew Locke, right? Like, I get it. Yeah. But I don't know if I'm going to...

You know, it's I always say about Lamar. If you have Lamar and he's your franchise guy, and I'm a huge Lamar fan, then you have to get like Greg Roman or a coordinator for his game. Like there are certain quarterbacks with unique styles. Yeah, lean into what they do. Well, and I'm going to have to build. I'm going to hire based on what you do. I'm going to draft based on what you do.

And so with Taylor Heineke, I'd have a hard time. All right, I'm all in. Let's build around. That's a different argument altogether. So Tom Brady has always said he wanted to play football until he was 45. Yeah. But now he could be extending that timeline saying playing until 50 is a possibility. Although I do think he was being a bit cheeky in that interview.

He was cheeky. But Bill Belichick was asked about it if Brady playing that long is realistic. And he said, I'm sure Tom would know better than anybody. So if anybody can do it, it's him. Which is about the nicest thing. If you ask Belichick about a long snapper, he'll go four minutes. You ask him about the best player in league history.

Tom would know. He only wants to talk about, you know, Bill's funny because he's an academic. His mom spoke seven languages. So he loves explaining stuff to you. Remember when he went on a rant for about an hour on left-footed punters? Bill loves, he loves the intellect of these. like mysteries wrapped in a riddle. But to talk about the goat, he's like,

you can talk about that on debate shows. I'm not, I've got no interest in goat talk. I don't care. I mean, look, none of us are making our living talking about when Tom Brady's going to retire at this point. Like, that's just kind of a silly conversation. But I also think Tom Brady is an outlier. I think guys like Tom Brady,

LeBron James, while they are showing, I think they're showing young players how they can extend their career. And some guys who have already been in the league changing how you eat, how you rehab. investing in your body, investing in yourself, and how that can aid your career being longer and also avoid injury and just give you a better overall, you know. Some people are great.

Healthy life. Have incredible discipline and will sacrifice things. Like Tom doesn't drink a beer in the season. Right. Like I know I have a cocktail probably four nights a week, five nights a week. It's not making me live longer. I know every cocktail. No, but it's making you live fuller.

Bingo. Right there. So last night You know Honey you want a glass of wine You know I had a delicious glass of Drew Bledso's wine last night Oh it's very good wine We got

They sent the white wine I'll post a picture of it It is delicious But you're not living longer because of that No But it's also not black tar heroin You're not losing months Right

Yeah right in a months Yeah like when I drink I know I probably lost a few brain cells. My son always says that. He goes, dad, he's ruled. My son's into data. Dad, you lost 72,000 brain cells with that beer. And I'm like, yeah, but life right now is just, I got a little haze to it. I'm very happy. We're both brilliant, so we can afford to lose a few. There you go. Joey with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Live a Full Life. Fifteen-year, limited warranty, Navian, Tankless water heaters,

Tanklandmase, Simple.com. All right, let's bring in Mark Sanchez. Now is the right time. Now we can bring in Mark Sanchez. It's not my ridiculous, clunky segue. How do you view that? So how old are you right now? I'd be 35 in November. 35.

So when you were playing, I mean, you're obviously, you're an athlete, you're disciplined. But like, would you have a glass of wine during the season? Occasional, yeah. Not much, though? No, not a ton. I was a little more disciplined. But, I mean, once you're bouncing around and you're not the starter anymore, flows.

Sneak a little cheeseburger. here for a good time, not a long time, you know, that kind of thing. That's my kind of living right there. So you did the Bengals Bears, so let's get right to this. Bengals Bears, so before, you know, you broadcast, you sit down with Matt Nagy. Oh, yeah. That's what everybody does? You sit down with the coaches.

So what was Matt Nagy trying to sell you on the Andy Dalton Fields thing? And listen, I agree with him. I want to preface this with. I agree with what he's talking about, 100%. He said, listen, Andy Dalton is Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes. Dalton is Alex Smith for, you know, Justin Fields. He's going to help him. Justin Fields is going to learn from him. He's going to glean a lot of personality traits and quarterback traits that you want him to have moving forward because he's this explosive, amazing athlete,

but we just got to put it in the right pieces, you know, know, know when to use which club out of your golf back, right? Like no one to hit a trick shot and no one to just keep it easy. So while I agree with him that that's a great idea, might be a good idea. be best for Andy, might be best for Justin, might be best for the Bears, probably is. It's a different market and a different time. I mean, Patrick Mahomes wasn't quite this draft pick that Justin Fields was. Well, we didn't watch Patrick Hall.

4-4? And we didn't watch Patrick Mahomes in college. He wasn't this national presence showing up in the building in Chicago. I mean, the Chicago, Kansas City issue in itself, just the media market. Chicago might be bigger than New York. because they have two teams. So sometimes you get overlapped or overshadowed, rather, by the Giants or Jets, whatever.

Right. Because there's other stuff going on unless they both suck. Well, then you're both getting it from all angles. But Chicago's a massive market. Eight million people in one NFL team. Just dying to see this kid play. So while I agree with him and in a vacuum and maybe in Kansas City, it works, Chicago is so hard to do that.

And, I mean, you could see it. As soon as he took the feel, Andy had just hurt his leg. and as soon as he takes the field, the place just erupts. I mean, I could barely hear Kevin Coogler. I could barely hear the producer in my ear. This place went nuts. And I was looking around like, oh, my God, what happened? Now, his argument would be Justin Fields isn't ready.

In the limited time, what did you see? I think that's a fair assessment. I think Justin has shown flashes. And, I mean, he's really close. It's coming down the pipe. Like, could be tomorrow, could be in three weeks. But what I really saw was their plan this week was first down. we're going hard sell play action first down first in 10 and P in 10 so possession in 10 as soon as you get the ball the first start of a drive P and 10 we're going hardcore play action low pad level up front sell the run you know backs are going to be in the flat or whatever but we're taking shots that's what we're trying to do we're trying to get behind the bangles defense and test jesse bates in this secondary that's what we're doing and Andy to his credit about three four five drives in a row boom does this big fake back to the defense head down selling selling selling looks up

Defense is deep. Linebackers expand. Boom. Back. Montgomery. Damian Williams. Montgomery. Damian Williams.

And they're getting five to nine to 12 yards a clip. Bam, bam, bam. They're going right down the field. They get a couple cheap penalties. Bam, they're in the red zone. Touchdown. So Andy's playing it the way you want to play it. Justin goes in.

Same game plan. Hard sell. Hard sell. Back to the defense. Boom. pops up. Oh, this doesn't look like it did in practice. Because I guarantee they gave him reps in practice.

And he launched bombs. You know, he was throwing 60-yard bombs. Well, It didn't work. And Justin, boom, immediately, boom, takes off and runs, which is fine. He's going to get yards. He's fast enough to do it. But if you're just training a quarterback to immediately assess the defense, just get it

to your playmakers, right? Sometimes you can distribute without having to put your body on the line. Now listen, fourth quarter, there's a breakdown in the interior of your line and you've got to get out of there. Well, he's your got to do it. And that's great. And he'll know when, right? It's the discernment of when to take off and run, when to slide, when to dive for the

first down. He's learning all those things. And so, you know, the more time he has to learn it, the better off he'll be. It's just that hourglass is just getting lower and lower and lower. And the fan base, I mean, as soon as Nagy says that, there's 65,100 people in that, or 61,0005, whatever it is at the Bear Stadium at Soldier Field that disagree. Just no, Andy, no, we want Justin. Yeah. And that's just how fans are. And the Chicago media is highly compensated more than Kansas City, they're more aggressive. Oh. Nagy doesn't have a Super Bowl ring, so they're more aggressive toward Nagy than you would

be in Kansas City toward Andy Reed. So it is. It's a different dynamic. It's a fair argument. It's hard to pull it off in that market. Hard to sell in that market. This is a topic that you know very well because you face Belichick and had success, actually, which few young quarterbacks do.

But Zach Wilson, my concern was Zach out of college was good arm can move. Sometimes, like Manzell, he's showing off a little bit. A little much. And that was my knock on him. And a lot of times in this league, boring, DAC against the Chargers. Just, I'm going to take what they give me. It's not going to be. Herbert can have all the splash plays.

I'm going to be boring. So take me to what Zach Wilson saw that you've seen from Belichick. Oh, my God. I've seen Darnold now. Zach Wilson just come unravel. What did he see? Listen, it's every death, taxes, and a Belichick defense versus a rookie quarterback. Bet the farm on it.

Are you kidding me? It's a no-brainer. and, you know, he has you second-guessing everything, you know, your protections up front. You're second-guessing everything. The year we won, I didn't realize how big of an accomplishment that was in my rookie year because I was in such a bubble and we're trying to like keep every, you know, don't tell Sanchez everything. He doesn't need to know everything.

Right. But we went into that game with one of the most basic game plans of all time. And we ran those plays like 30 times during the week. over and over and over. So I had answers versus everything, right? That was the idea. Plus, we had Brad Smith. Plus, I forgot to motion a guy and threw a touchdown to Dustin Keller. So it gave them the weirdest look they've ever seen. And Dustin Keller was so open because I forgot to motion Jericho Kotry. And I got to the sidelines that everybody's high-fiving. He's like, yo, you missed the zip motion. What were you doing? And I was like, oh, I knew it looked different in practice.

So, I mean, that kind of threw them off. So sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes, you know, you have a great game plan. But we went up there in October. It was right around Halloween to play them the second time. And now everybody's talking like, oh, you guys got them the first time. And I'm like, hey, man, we're going to be just fine. What? Through four picks and put Lee Bodden in the Pro Bowl.

I gave him two or three of them. I mean, it just a totally different game. No, it was like the false game plan for the first two drives. It was like, oh, we're getting the same thing as last time? Sweet. Let's go get them. Third drive? Whoa.

A couple boomerang balls going the wrong way. Oh, my God. That's just the way he is. And it makes it so tough on your team. That's who they are. All right. We got a bunch of stuff to talk about with Mark Sanchez. Going to take a break back after this.

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Up on Game. We're going to be sharing our real-life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with me, LaVar Arrington, T.J. Hushman Zada and Plexico Burris on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast from. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrate. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford. and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now discover matches all the cashback you earn on your credit card end of the first year automatically with no limit go to discover dot com slash yes mark sanchez 10 NFL seasons now a fox sports analyst has the seahawks and the vikings uh by the way i'm not sure how much uh tape you've jumped into yet but shame waldron who was a passing game coordinator for the rams has moved up to seattle the seahawks are averaging the most yards per play now they lost this weekend but if you're you when you look over the tape. Oh, yeah.

The knock has been, oh, it's the Seattle. Let's run on first down. And, you know, Pete. Oh, yeah. It'll be interesting when you break down the tape because I watch this weekend, and they are throwing it. They're a little more unpredictable.

A little more unpredictable. They love their play action shots like McVeigh, using a little bit of fly sweep stuff, did a little, what they do? They did the fake fly sweep, fake toss turns into a naked, which was awesome, like the Bengals did, week one.

And, you know, those kind of creative, plays to get Russ on the move, that's huge for him because he just processes so well as the play gets longer and he's moving. So he's the rare quarterback who moves and never gets hit. Carson Wentz is the opposite. And I was saying there's only two things I don't know if I can coach out of a player. Indifference, Ben Simmons. I like the game. I don't know. Like Kobe lived for the game. Oh yeah. Michael lived for the game. Certain players are like, yeah, I like the game. And I can't, I can't coach you out of that. The second thing is reckless.

Some guys, you probably had teammates at USC. They would take an ATV over a cliff. They'd bungee jump. It's their DNA. Like they're just, they're rough. They're fun. They love the action. And I watch Carson Wentz, Mark, and I'm like, he knows he can't get hurt.

He knows the offensive line for the Colts is struggling. He knows Aaron Donald's four feet from him. And he's just, can you coach it out of them? It's like playing like you're invincible, right? And you're right. It's difficult to get rid of that. That's who he is. He's a big, strong guy.

So was Carson Palmer. I mean, Carson Palmer used to just level defenders in high school and college. And then he learned when he hurt his shoulder, like, whoa, you can't do that anymore. And usually it takes once, right? You burn your hand on the stove and it's like, whoa, I don't really want to do that anymore. Right. And unfortunately for Carson, it's like, okay, when is it going to be enough? Like when is it going to either hurt enough or have something taken away from you to realize, hey, man, I can't do that anymore.

And, you know, all quarterbacks go through a little bit of that when you're Uber talented. I think, you know, holding the ball with one hand. I mean, I got caught doing that all the time. And it was something that you almost like rebel against because the coaches are like, dude, can you just please put two hands on the ball? And you're like, yeah, but it's, okay. Like, he got lucky that time. But you got away with it in high school and college. You get away with it.

You get away with it. It's like making the fade away three-pointer. right and your coach is like great like please don't shoot it okay good shot but that's not the technique that's not the coaching we're giving you and when it works it's hard to tell you no and on his his year that he was going to be MVP right before he got hurt and nick foals wins the Super Bowl that's the way he was playing and he got away with a lot of that stuff so when you do it's hard to go back and it's hard to to pull the reins back a little bit and it's it's almost like almost the way the the patriots are Mac Jones. Now he doesn't have that much talent, but they're not giving him that much to do.

Like, let's just, let's just hit all the layups. Let's just check the boxes. Let's keep it simple. And then we'll build you up. Same thing they do with Brady. His first Super Bowl drive to win. He threw one ball over 10 yards. He hit his running backs and his checkdowns over and over and over. Then he hit one great ball to either Dion Branch or somebody on a deep crosser off a play action with two backs and a tight end in the backfield. Okay, so this wasn't some five-wide explosive offense, but he just did it in increments and chunks, eating an elephant, just one bite at a time. And it's easy to say from this chair.

Right. So of all the rookie quarterbacks, you know, I feel bad because Trevor Lawrence is being asked to carry a bad roster. Mac is being told to park the Mercedes, just don't hit a tree. It is a different experience. When you came into the league, you had a very good defense, and you had a running game. So it was an experience in which you inherited,

probably the last great Jets roster or really good roster. I would say... Not probably 100%. It was a good roster. Not even close. The best roster they've had since 2010. So tell me what Mack Jones is going through. When you would get plays,

were you thinking yourself, oh, can we loosen it up? I mean, it was third and six, and we're running power. Okay? We're pulling a guard with two backs on the backfield. And everybody in the stadium knows where we're going, and we'd still get first downs

because of Thomas Jones, Tony Richardson, Brandon Moore, Nick Mangold, I mean, Alan Fanica, our two badass tackles and Brick and Damien Woody. Like, that's what we, we had five blocks of granite up front. We had solid wide outs. And hey, Sanchez, don't screw this up. And even when I did, we were in games.

I threw five picks against the bills, and we almost won. The game went to overtime, okay? Five picks and we rushed for like 250. But is it hard because Mack Jones has been a big play guy, and you were a big play guy in college, you're rolling out. With Sark. Same thing. But was there moments, you're like, let me cut it loose.

Do you fight that in your head? Is Matt Jones fighting that? He probably is. I think they're just doing a great job of reminding him what's at stake. And the most important thing is like you're learning what wins games. And obviously scoring points, field position, take care of the football. But most importantly, what's going to lose? What loses the game?

And when you do that and the coaches do a great job of explaining this, there's no place for this. inexcusable. You cannot do this. One hand on the football, you know, when you hold that football, you know, they would tell us, you hold the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of the entire organization. Every time you're holding that Wilson football. That's a lot of pressure, right? The guy in the concession stands who's, you know, excited for this game and wants your team to win, you have his hopes, dreams, and aspirations in your hands, in your possession, and you're going to touch it every play, quarterback and center, running back sometimes you, receivers sometimes you, lineman if you get a chance you better cover that thing up like that's how they coach him there

that's how they teach him the importance of protecting the football so because of that just like you protect your newborn well you're not going to go throw your newborn in the ocean right and see if it works like oh hopefully you can swim you don't do that because you want to take care of it so they're just giving them little bits little bites little nibbles and then when it's time to go win the game hey go be you go have fun cut it loose so how old were you when you left the nifference Oh man, 32? Had you been starting, had the support, how was your body at 32? Because Brady's 44 and almost looks better.

How was your body at 32? It was good. I could still do it what really threw things off. And this is the issue. Like for Carson, like his back was one of the first things. Carson Wentz, or Carson Palmer? Wentz, sorry. His back was one of the first things.

And that, like, affects everything, right? If you get lower extremity stuff, then it just starts going up the chain. If it's your ankles, boom, your knee's going to be a little funky. Your hip's going to be a little funky. Your hamstring, all this stuff. Things start to tweak because you overcompensate for other injuries. The classic groin injury, you injure the other groin every time. Man, you got tight IT ban on the outside of your leg.

And boom, your kneecap pops. It's like, whoa, what the heck? Now my ankle sore and my calf is weak. So Brady hasn't had that. Well, he had the knee thing. He had a shoulder thing, but he's rehabbed him in a way. Or whatever he's done, drinking some elixir, Like, how do you do that?

The fact that, and I guarantee his warm-up is longer than his workout right now. Just to get ready to go, it would take longer than lifting the actual weights. And before it was the other way around. You just walk out there, touch your toes, move your arm around, and go ball. But you can't do that anymore. And so he's taking it to this next level of longevity and preservation and rehab. And his whole thing is, as soon as it's done, who can recover the fastest? Who can get there fastest?

Like, what do you think Brady does? game's over, he's driving home with a fam, gets home. What does he do? Oh, I bet before he even leaves that place, or he goes to a place where it's stretching, ice bath, you know, contrast, hot, cold. I guarantee he's, you know, massage. It's all that before he even, you know, he does his whole routine before he does any of that. Or he sees everybody real quickly and then, hey, I'll see you in about three hours.

Former Trojan Sam Darnold has support 2 and 0. It's amazing when you can play with a lead and a running game. What do you make of the Panthers? They play Thursday against the – I will say this. If you haven't watched Carolina, I know McCaffrey's the story, but good God, their defensive front is relentless. They've got a lot of first rounders up front. Their pass rushes, maybe not the Steelers, but it is unbelievable. What do you make a Sam, though?

Well, it's such a benefit and such a luxury as a quarterback to have a defense in a running game. I mean, when did he have that? When does he have that in the NFL? You're never in a shootout. Right. And he's just playing it the way you're supposed to, the way Joe Brady's designing and intending for him to play, meaning go do your job.

Don't worry about all the other stuff. And the noise level in Carolina? I mean, it's almost mute, right? Like in New York, it's as loud as it comes, right? Somebody in your ear every day with a bullhorn, oh, you're terrible, you suck, your team sucks, this, that, and the other. Oh, you're a bus, this, down the other. Well, there, it's pretty minor.

It's almost a college town. Oh, yeah. You have a supportive media. And Sam, you know Sam, he's so, SoCal. I'm SoCal, but he's real SoCal. He's relaxed. He's cool. He's easy going.

But he's got some, he's got something to him. He's got that juice to him. And he couldn't really, like, express it. He couldn't really get it out. And now he's got a chance with players he's worked with before, with a stud running back. I mean, knowing you're going to be in second and medium, that just opens up your whole playbook. That just gives you so much confidence knowing, hey, man, we got a shot here.

not, oh man, I hope we can stop somebody today. Also, when you have a great defense, which you had with the Jets, you often start the drives at the 35. I mean, a 40-yard drive is a lot different than an 80-yard drive. It's so different. The playbook closes if you start at the 17. Absolutely. And you know, these guys are, the receivers he has now, Robbie McCaffrey.

DJ Moore. These guys, they're not only going to catch the ball, but he's going to put him in a position to throw the ball accurately and give them a chance to just get a couple yards after. those yak yards, the way they knife, the way they're taught to get upfield and get vertical immediately, especially when all these defense are just playing this stagnant, you know, a stingy red zone defense where they just kind of stand in their positions and you're not going to throw it over their head into the actual end zone. You've got to throw it underneath and knife in. That's so hard to do.

You need veteran teams and veteran players to do that. He never had that chance in New York. Never. McCaffrey is the rare athlete. Edger and James could have done this. McCaffrey could be a starting receiver. in the NFL. He runs routes. He's silly. Not like just casual routes. He would be one of the best route runners in the league as a receiver. 100%. I watched him last week. He makes clever safeties and crosses him up. And the best part is he gives you indicators with his feet,

his hips, his shoulders, his eyes, his head movement, boom. And Sam knows exactly when to get the ball out. Those guys are so easy to throw to. So good to see you, buddy. I'm not even going to ask USC questions right now. because it is you are the one that said this. It's a three-month process. All these reporters, they've got a zillion lists. All I've said is consider an NFL guy.

The enemy. Or Doug Peterson. Okay. Matt Nagy gets fired. Okay. Big city guys, NFL coaches don't need control. They have owners. That's true.

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