The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 10/27/2020 - HOUR 1 - Jerry Jones, Buccaneers, Bears

Episode Date: October 27, 2020

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Justin Herbert, quarterback for the LA Chargers on the show today. We love him. He is amazing. He's an Oregon duck. So I'm personally rooting for him. That's exciting. Yeah, no, he's a great kid. Can't wait to have the GM of the Chargers and I were texting last night.

He's a great kid. He's such a wonderful story. All these guys. Burrow, Herbert, Kyler Murray. Like, if that's the future of the league, I'm all in. All right. Oh, Jerry's feisty.

Oh, things are fall apart in Dallas. We're going to get to that in just a second. Let's address what we watched last night. Sometimes you don't realize what you have. People in L.A. complain about Jared Goff. How about Chicago? They've been looking for a franchise quarterback since the 40s when they had Sid Luckman. I'm not joking.

They have not had a franchise quarterback in 75 years, like a really great, great quarterback. Since 2000, the Bears have had 24. guys take a stamp at quarterback. So when people criticize the Carson Wentzes and the Jared Goffs because they're not perfect, I just roll my eyes. Miami has never replaced Dan Marino. Still, John Elway, they've never really replaced him. They had an old Peyton Manning for a few years.

Jared Goffs already been to a Super Bowl. Since Sean McVeigh has arrived, he's won 38 games, lost 16. His quarterback passer rating is 96. He's completed 64.5% of his throws. He currently has the high. fourth quarter passer rating in the entire league. And people are already nitpicking him. Folks, do you understand there's no perfect quarterback?

Big Ben makes terrible throws still. Tom Brady is unathletic. So is Eli. Aaron Rogers is too prickly and doesn't get along with everybody. Russell Wilson's frankly a little short. Sometimes he can't see guys and throws bad picks. And Breeze suboptimal arm. Same with Matt Ryan.

Even the quarterbacks we like that are young and good, like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, you'd be like, oh, they're going to be stars. And all of a sudden, the league gets a lot of them. And you're like, well, they're good, but they got little holes in their game. How bad would Matt Nagy, how much would he die to have Jared Goff today? I hear this all the time. You know, in L.A., if you're not LeBron or Mookie Betts, we're just going to sell stock on you. Jared Goffs are really good quarterback.

The rule in this league is find a good quarterback and just support him. And by the way, the Bears did with Trubesky, and Nagy's got a very good record with him. But all of us can see. Chicago can see. Everybody can see. Tribisky has a really, really low ceiling. And if you've won Super Bowls, the Bears have won a Super Bowl, there's kind of a higher standard than Cleveland that, you know, you just want a guy that can win some games. You know, you'd like a Super Bowl, but you're not realistic.

You're realistic about that. In Chicago, they've won Super Bowls. They've been great before. So they really want to get a guy that can beat Aaron Rogers, you know, that can beat the Russell Wilson's. But I look at this and I'm like, do you understand Los Angeles how hard it is to find a quarterback? You start looking around the league and everybody wants a perfect quarterback. And I look at Jared Goff. And the answer, of course, is not through free agency.

There's a reason a quarterback hits the market. Cam, Kirk Cousins. There's a reason. It is not, it's not a career backup on his fifth team like Nick Foles. The answer in Chicago is what the answer is. was for the LA Chargers. You find a guy, Philip Rivers, you get everything you can out of him, you move him, and then you go back to the draft.

And sometimes, like the Chargers, you get lucky. You get two really good quarterbacks. And it doesn't happen very often. In New York, they had Eli, Daniel Jones even looks in place sort of like Eli. Maybe they got another one. Today, they don't know. But Nick Foles was never the answer. This morning, the Rams are a legit five and two.

The Bears are a Mirage five and two. for one reason. It's not the coach. It is not the coach. If Matt Nagy was fired, he would have a job in 45 minutes. Can you imagine him in New York with Trevor Lawrence? Can you imagine him in Houston with Deshawn Watson? Atlanta with those weapons and Matt Ryan.

Mitch Trubisky with Matt Nagy, and not much else, has a winning record in the NFL. It's not the coach. It's the quarterback. So anytime I hear people criticizing Carson Wayne, and for that matter, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo or a Jared Gough, I'm like, slow down. Do you go ask people in Miami, go ask people in Denver how hard it is to find the guy. Jared Gop's been to a Super Bowl. If he's healthy in 10 years, he'll have been to another.

At least one more. All right. Well, you know, I've said this before. Sometimes you hire a football coach, and it takes a while to figure out if you've got the right coach. But if you've got the wrong coach, Jim Tom Sulla, 49ers, Les Steckle, Minnesota, Rod Marinelli, Detroit, like if you've got the wrong, Rich Kotite, if you've got the wrong coach, Freddie Kitchens Cleveland, it takes you about six games to figure it out. Sometimes it's hard to figure out if you've got the right coach.

You know, he's good, he's not great, but he's pretty good and he has ups and it. It's just like in life. It may take years to figure out if the relationship you're in right now is going to be great. But if it's bad, you know it pretty quickly. Like it's, oh, hygiene issues. She throws stuff at me. He throws stuff at me. Like, you can spot bad quickly.

Dallas right now, this doesn't work. This is not close. Jerry Jones went on Dallas radio this morning. There's two bites. Let's play the first. And he says, I got my guy. certainly we couldn't have anticipated being at this stage with our team this year but if I were going to hire for hit that we're going to be at this stage this year and work through this for the

betterment of what's in store for us for the rest of the year and for what's far as in the future I got my man that was the beginning of the interview and then the interview went on and Jerry got feistyer and feistyer and I I I have said this. You can always tell who's going to win a presidential election because which side of the media feels more desperate. I'll leave that for you to figure out. Jerry's this angry because Jerry's not just angry at the question. Jerry's angry that he may have made a massive mistake and he's going to have to own up to it soon. Listen. Does your team have a leadership void? We're in the offensive line. Just overall when these. But seriously, seriously, where do you, where would you have a leadership? boy. Is it an experience void? Is it a talent void? Is it a leader's board? I'm not trying to be

queued here. The answer is no. I'm asking. There's not a, well, let me answer. No. Jerry, when you go into the locker room, what I'm asking is, do you see the intangibles? You're not asking me that. I gave you the answer. When I go into the locker room, there's no leadership void in my house. Okay. Now, that's your answer. Let's move on. Okay. Jerry's not mad at the question. He's mad at his decision and he's embarrassed by it. And that's why he's super defensive. Those were legitimate questions. I worry that the Cowboys are becoming Al Davis at the end. Al Davis and Jerry have a lot in common. Pioneers, aggressive, smart, successful. They know football. Jerry played the game. Al was an assistant coach in the NFL for years. They know the game much more than 95% of the game. the owners. They don't know it as much as they think, but they know the game. They took on the NFL. They're very similar. They're envied by the league. Took on the NFL in one. And then they get a little older and they want control and they can't handle a Bill Parcells. They can't handle

a John Gruden. And they never, ever recover. You know, it's interesting with Dallas. when Jerry has allowed for a big personality, Jimmy Johnson's a big personality, Barry Switzer's a big personality, Bill Parcell's a big personality. When Jerry allowed that and wasn't threatened by it, the Cowboys won. I mean, Barry Switzer was not a great NFL coach.

He's a legendary college coach, but he won. But when Jerry has hired guys he can control, that's what Al Davis did. Mike McCarthy and Chan Galey and Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips, nice guys, but they kind of lack that leadership it, right? He's failed every single time. It's the same with Al Davis when he had John Gruden.

And John can lack this and that, but he's a leader. John is a lead. He's got a Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll thing. He walks into a room. John Gruden has a presence. Bill Parcells has a presence. Barry Switzer's got a presence. Jimmy Johnson's got a presence.

Jason Garrett doesn't. Doesn't mean he can't coach, but he doesn't have a presence. They're becoming the Raiders. The last 7, 8 years with Al Davis, like you couldn't take them seriously. Like they were running their business different than everybody else. The Cowboys have become, to a fault, a family business, too insular, will not take outside opinions. And I don't think Jerry this morning is mad at that guy asking the questions. I think Jerry's embarrassed.

I think he's a smart guy who made a really bad choice, and he knows there's no way out. but to get rid of Mike McCarthy. So coming up next, I know you get tired of this. I mean, beyond getting tired of me, that I make Brady-Lebron comparisons, but this is the best one yet, and it's unbelievable. The Buccaneers have already won the NFC, just like LeBron took over the West, just like that.

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not name the Buccaneers in the NFC. Seattle, no defense. Green Bay can't play physical. Arizona, talented but inconsistent. Chicago, no offense. Rams, some stars, good, but don't feel really special. And then there's Tom Brady in Tampa Bay. The NFC's always been deeper than the AFC, and I believe it is.

There's fewer crappy teams. But the top of the NFC is weaker and Tampa Bay is easily this morning the best team. Easily. The gap between Tampa Bay and two is much greater than the gap between, say, Kansas City and the two or the three or perhaps the four in the AFC. For 20 years, all we asked in the AFC was, who is going to beat Tom Brady? That's all we asked for 20 years. The NFC, though, was a carousel of good teams. Seattle, San Francisco, Carolina got to a Super Bowl, Philadelphia, and Green Bay is very, very good.

Tom's been here seven weeks. It's over. It's over. Like they're easily the best team in the NFC. It is very LeBron to the West. For years, we all talked about how good the West was. And then LeBron got out here and you're like, well, Portland's kind of small and doesn't defend in the back court. and Dallas is interesting, but way too young.

And then there's Houston, and they're small and talented. They're always talented, but dysfunctional. And the Clippers, well, they've always got good players, but where's the leadership? And you wake up and you're like, oh, LeBron just breathed through all of them. The NFC looks so much tougher for years and years until LeBron arrived in the West and Brady arrived in the NFC. I saw this in the SEC. SEC fans. We got Tennessee and we got Florida, we got Georgia, we got LSU, we got Auburn, and Nick Saban said, oh, that's adorable. Arrived and all their coaches got fired four times.

The SEC is all about Alabama and Saban. Urban Meyer takes over Ohio State. Everybody looks small. He didn't lose a game for two years. Folks, there's a lot of good out there. There's not a lot of great. There's not a lot of Sabin. There's not a lot of urban. There's not a lot of LeBron. There's not a lot of Brady. He's been in the NFC for seven weeks.

Who's number two in the NFC today? Green Bay? Yeah, I watched them play over second quarter. You go to the AFC right now. Kansas City's number one, and I got my herd hierarchy top of next hour. I got an argument Tennessee matches up with them. Pittsburgh does. We know Baltimore's feisty.

I mean, it's, what? Like Trent Dolfer talked about this yesterday. It's the accountability, the passion of Brady and LeBron, and the accountability to demand you are all in. You are completely committed to winning basketball. He's the ultimate fire breather. I mean, Tom Brady elevates, we talked about last week. This just elevate your team.

Elevate your entire organization, your entire city. He's going to demand excellence every second of, every day. And if you don't join him, you're going to be out of there. You're not going to be playing much. And look what he's done to Bruce Ariens, who has forever been a risky head coach. His team simply have a lot of penalties, a lot of turnovers, no turnovers, two straight weeks. I mean, he's changed the head coach. Nobody changes the culture like Tom Brady. And it really does remind me, LeBron. For years and years, we talked about all the stars in the West. But the minute LeBron gets over and he's healthy and gets AD, you see all the holes.

You see all the whole. Same with Sabin. We always bragged about the SEC, and then Saban gets there, and you're like, wow, Tennessee and Auburn are really dysfunctional. Oh, God, so is Florida. George is talented, but never quite has the coach, Alabama does. And suddenly they all look really good unless you compare them to great and Saban. And it's like they're not really that competitive.

And the West wasn't really that competitive. I don't even know who the second best team in the NFC is now. I think it's Green Bay. I think. I saw him play. It wasn't competitive. I mean, take the Saints game out. No preseason.

It was Tom and a bunch of guys he'd never seen before. They played poorly against Chicago. And that was the moment that Tom said, okay, we're going to be a little feistyer here and a little more demanding and be a little more accountable. The good times are over. It's time to ratchet it up. And this morning, I don't think anybody's close.

Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Pam Newton is approaching this week as if his starting job is in jeopardy. following a bad performance Sunday against the Niners, but he's not just thinking about losing his job, he's thinking about losing respect of the locker room.

And the first thing I said, you know, to myself coming home, I said, you keep playing games like that, bro, and it's gonna be a permanent change. I don't fear coach's stability or my position's stability more so than controlling the locker room. Because no one, yeah, you have your coach's, you know, belief, but my belief is I wanna have the whole facility. He was benched in the fourth quarter for Jared Sidham.

Bill Belichick claims he was just trying to get Stidham some reps, but I don't know that that would be really necessary if T.M. Newton was playing well. He was 9 to 15, 98 yards, no touchdowns, and three interceptions. This was a terrible game for the Patriots. What's daunting is what's moving forward for them. So they're at the Bills, then they're at the Jets, assuming they can win that game. They have the Ravens, and then they're at Houston,

which, even though Houston is not a good team this year, they're competitive in putting up points in every game. If I said take Cam Newton's career, cut it in half. The biggest game in the history of Cam's first half is a Super Bowl. Right. I'd argue this is the biggest game in the second half. Forget the Patriots for a second. Cam needs to get some good football on film.

Because the Seattle game now, everybody looks great against Seattle. If I'm Cam Newton, I understand winning the locker room matters. I do get that. But Cam also needs, because Cam's got football. football left. You can make an argument. Like, he's got four good years left. He's healthy. He's big. He's physical. Cam needs to start putting good tape out there.

Because if he's not going to be in New England and it doesn't look like they're a very good football team. I mean, Joy, this is the slowest football team in the league. They're not winning 10 games here. Yes. And look, like, we, we, well, personally, I was rooting for Cam. And Cam looked good initially. Right. So maybe that confused us as to what New England really is. Yeah. what they are is rebuilding. But they're not, they weren't a good team. Eight players opted out.

Right. On top of that. So what kind of expectations that everyone have for New England? I think we all kind of got caught up in what Cam looked like in the first game. Well, September's fooled us my entire life. Ryan Fitzpatrick has looked like the second best quarterback in the league in September twice. Like September fools you because the weather's perfect. You know, and all of a sudden you wake up.

And this morning, it's like Arizona appears to be way better than New England. the Raiders in September. So it's like we get, this is not like anybody's fault. We all get fooled by September. Every year it's like Andy Reid would have 12 Super Bowls if the season stopped October 3rd. And then his teams have not quite, like last year, finally they got better at the end of the year. But I think it's one of those things where September, everybody's healthy. But New England is a totally limited roster.

I felt like this was a, this past week was a really pivotal game, a game that they had to win. So as badly as they played, I think is a sign of what they are. Because that was the game they really needed to win. And now they're at the Bills, which is another good team who's trying to win the AFCs, like a division game. So he's going to need to play really well in this game. I agree with you.

This is a crucial game for Cam New and not just for the Patriots, but for Cam's future. So Antonio Brown has experience with Bruce Ariens from their time together in Pittsburgh. At Ariens thinks Brown will be starting from square one when he joins the Bucks. He said when I left, they changed the terminology in Pittsburgh for all those years. he played. So it'll pretty much be ground zero with him other than the route tree. We run routes and things like that. It'll be a big adjustment for him, but we'll get him up to speed. He can officially join the team after week eight and the bucks face the Saints week nine. He had four receptions for 56 yards and a touchdown. The only game he played with Brady last season.

Did you see that Chris Godwin broke a finger so he's out? So he's going to get snaps when he's the question you and I both have is when Godwin and Mike Evans are eventually healthy. we're thinking it's this year. Right. The question will become with Scotty Miller, like, where do you get? There are going to be a lot, you're going to have three elite premier, well, at least two, superstar level wide receivers. I'm not going to assume that Antonio Brown is going to come in and be, and look like he did

in that game with the Patriots, because it's been a long time since he's played football. But if Chris Godwin is hurt for a significant amount of time and Antonio Brown comes in and starts to develop that kind of chemistry with Tom Brady, there's not going to be really a whole lot a complaining that's merited because and Chris Glevin is a great player and has been a good teammate for the bucks but if you're not available you're not there. Listen,

I said that did I say this to you the other day? I went to Jay Glazer Sunday off the air and I said some of this feels like Brady is getting tired of these guys always having a hamstring issue. You can play with a broken finger by the way. It's the NFL. Everybody does. So it's like at some point you bring A.B. in to say

I'm guys, I've got a new I got a new. I mean, you know, I'm not judging people's injuries. I had a broken finger. I might be crying for the next three weeks. But it is what it is. Like if you're not available, then someone else is going to be there playing. And I have no faith that this is going to work. I'm at zero. I'm simply watching. I am observing and that is it. I have no expectations of how this is going to look or work or how it's going to turn out because based off of the information that I have, which is a lot, it doesn't work out. So I'm just going to watch and observe. I agree with Ariens. So he's going to, it's going to take some time for him.

to get going. Finally, the 49ers suffered even more injuries this weekend. Wide receiver, Debo Samuel, is dealing with the left hamstring strain and will likely miss the next two games. And Sunday star running back. Jeff Wilson Jr. suffered a high ankle sprain and is expected to be placed on injured reserve this week. So more injury issues for the 49ers who already have a lengthy list of injuries.

Oh, Lord. By the way, they play Seattle this week. It's my favorite bet of the week. Seattle over San Francisco. I said last week, Green Bay over Houston was my bet of the NFL season. Seattle over San Francisco. Nobody's as good as they were the previous week. The Niners are not that good, and now they're falling apart.

They have so many good, capable players hurt right now. So, so many injuries for our radio listeners. It's essentially an NBA roster worth of the injuries. It's a lot. And most of them are good players. Yes, and it's a bad time for them to have those injuries because, as you mentioned, They're at the Seahawks, and they have the Packers, and then they're at the Saints, and then they have a buy. So they have a stretch of three really tough games coming up before their buy.

They're fourth in the NFC West right now at 4 and 3, Rams 5 and 2, Cardinals 5 and 2, and the Seahawks 5 and 1. So where we might have closed the door on the 49ers too soon as far as how well they can still play and keep it together, the injuries might just be the thing that overwhelms in this year. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. I was saying about 10 minutes ago that for years and years,

we bragged how great the SEC was. Saban arrived and just, I mean, won by three touchdowns every game. And for years and years, I was like, God, the West is good. Then LeBron gets out West, gets a really good teammate. And you're like, man, there's a lot of dysfunction and youth and a lot of Western teams that are very, very thin. And for years and years, we thought the NFC was so deep and talented.

But right now, the gap between Canada, Kansas City and maybe Tennessee, which is the third or fourth best AFC team, feels like inches. Who's the second best team? Seven weeks in Tampa. And it feels like Brady's moved over to the NFC, and I don't see anybody close. Right now he's the third highest graded quarterback. I don't get the people bailing on Tom.

He's never been athletic. Doug Gottlieb now joining us, the Dugger, after our show, Fox Sports Radio. Joining us live, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz the best or nothing. I don't know. I watched last night, and I've got two five-win teams, the Bears, which I think we all kind of knew, a little bit of a fraud. And then Rams, they're good.

Boy, Jalen Ramsey's not having a great year, but I'll ask you, who is the second best team in the NFC this morning to Tampa Bay? Well, you didn't like the Bears, and a couple weeks ago, they kicked the crap out of the Buccaneers. That did happen, right? That's the same. Those are the same teams?

Yeah, but you... So look, here's where I love you because you've come around on something. Well, I mean, everybody's come around, obviously, on Sabin. But if you remember, and we have the tape somewhere, when Sabin got the job at Alabama, you thought it didn't matter. It wouldn't work, right? And what I said was everyone said about Saban, he's not the world's greatest college football coach.

He's an indefatigable recruiter. And when you combine that with the boosters and the reach and the passion of Alabama football, I thought it would work and frankly it has. That's what LeBron did, right? LeBron got to the West and the West didn't lay down for him. Matter of fact, it was kind of a disaster because they couldn't find that second star. When he did, now he hasn't met ready made roster. Now all the things culture-wise that he wanted to put in place with the Lakers worked.

They won a championship. And I think that's the difference here because Brady took on a team where if James Winston just didn't turn the ball over last year, they're in the playoffs. now you have a guy who doesn't turn it over, a very good defense. It's very well coached with a great front seven. And then an offense that had good skill position players and they reworked that offensive line. And yes, they are rounding into becoming the best team in the NFC. But I just, I got to warn you, okay, two things happened here in this last week. One, they took on the Raiders whose entire offensive line was sent home because of, because of COVID, right? And so we have no

idea what the Raiders really are based upon their performance against the bucking ears. And secondly, they added Antonio Brown to the mix. And that can be toxic. More is not more. Less is more. Now, Chris Godwin's out because he has broken finger. So when Antonio Brown comes back, he may get more looks than he would have otherwise, but it should be pointed out that we still don't know how good Tampa is when they play on the road and he gets overwhelmed like he did in Chicago. and if Antonio Brown can live with getting three, four, five targets a game, even if his team is winning. You know, it's interesting. I was saying Jerry Jones got really, really ticked off this morning on Dallas Radio. And people forget what a pioneer Al Davis was. He took on the NFL. He was a former assistant NFL coach. He knew football.

He was envied. He was clever. He hired John Madden at like 30. He was really progressive, smart. last eight, nine years, it didn't turn out well. You know, Jerry took on the league. Stan Cronkey listens to him. He got teams in Vegas and Los Angeles. But then I watch them right now, and I don't think he's mad at the media. I think Jerry's mad at himself. I think he whiffed, and I think they're in danger of becoming the Raiders,

a legendary owner, and they're just, like they're embarrassing. Like the Raiders for about eight years were embarrassing. Am I wrong on this? Are they becoming the Raiders under the old Al Davis? There's a lot of parallels there. I think where you lose me is the Cowboys have players, right? The Raiders fell apart when they traded John Gruden. They lost in the Super Bowl.

Bill Callahan was the right head coach for a year, but the wrong head coach long term. But, you know, Rich Gannon got hurt, and they didn't have any money, and they didn't have players, and then they made bad draft picks. That's not where the Cowboys are. The Cowboys, I would agree with you. The Mike McCarthy era is a mistake. It's an error. Mike McCarthy Error, not E-A-R-A, sorry. But look, we should have seen this coming.

Do you remember that he had that fluff piece in the NFL network? I think it was like an hour special on how like every week he got together with his football coaches in Green Bay and watch tape on every step. And he was ready to evolve as a football coach. He gets the job in Dallas. and two things happened, which my antennas went up. First thing was at the press conference, where he had told everybody, hey, I watched every snap of every game in the NFL.

He admitted that he hadn't done it for the Cowboys. And, you know, he said those things to get the job. One, why did you admit it? And two, how can you do that? Secondly, he didn't call Dak Prescott for like the first two weeks he had the job. Yeah. That's your quarterback. Now whether or not Dak was going to sign a long-term deal or a franchise tag deal, it didn't matter.

Dak was the quarterback of the Cowboys. Like, that's the very first call you make. You don't call your wife. You don't call your mom, your dad. You don't call your coaching buddies. The first call you make is to your quarterback. Hey, man, I'm so excited to work together. He didn't do that.

So that right there, I was blown away. D.K. Metcalfe is playing harder on defense than anybody in the Dallas Cowboys. That's true. Right? The effort that he showed on one play is better than anything you see on tape from the Dallas Cowboys. And look, head coaching in the National Football League is not necessarily about X and O. It's not about being a great play caller. Yes, Andy Reed's great play caller. And Shaoammy Vey's a great play caller. It's about can you stand in front of a room of 53 men and get them to believe that what you're telling them will in fact work if they do their job.

That's what the best of the best do. And the fact that he can't get those guys to buy. in at this point in the season through this amount of embarrassment just tells you it's not going to work. So I'm with you on the coaching staff. You know, light a match. The Kellynmore thing I think actually works. It was working with Dak Prescott. Just get rid of everybody else and bring in somebody that they can believe in. Look, should you, if you're Jerry Jones, should you walk in today and just cut somebody? Right. Like, think of what he did last year with Jalen Smith. He was so mad about Ezekiel that he's like, give me somebody to sign. Give me something. Let's sign Jailen Smith and they overpaid Jalen Smith, who by the way, isn't what his contract says he should be

and isn't playing with the effort he should play with. So now you've got to do the exact same thing. First thing you should do is walk in and say, let's cut somebody. Cut somebody, somebody who thinks they know more than the coaching staff. And then if this thing doesn't turn around, don't be afraid to admit what most men won't do is admit they made a mistake and start over. By the way, it's interesting. I'm going to defend Baker Mayfield here. Obie, J. got hurt, and then once he got hurt, people started delivering the data where Baker's actually better when he wasn't on the field with OBJ. It doesn't sound like it makes sense, right? Chemistry is really hard. Hollywood marriages look like they should work. The kids are beautiful.

They're two successful people. What a great life. They're both rich. Chemistry's hard. And you look at OBJ. It's nobody's fault. But OBJ was a superstar. Baker's having to overcome the dysfunction of Cleveland. And I look at this this morning and I think, actually, Baker's probably better without OBJ. At Oklahoma, he just spread the ball around to a bunch of really good players. He was excellent. And in this game Sunday, OBJ gets hurt early. That's the best Baker's ever looked. And that it doesn't sound right. But I think OBJ is so big, he needs an Aaron Rogers. He needs a star quarterback that can be at his level. And I think it's been very hard on Baker Mayfield here to make a superstar happy, and I think they're going to be both better without each other.

Is that fair? It is fair. There's a couple things here at play. First, let's be honest, it's the Bengals. Okay. Yeah. The Bengals are the same team that made Philip Rivers look 10 years younger just the week before when they had a three-score lead.

Okay, so let's first catch our breath before we say, hey, Baker is a great quarterback in the NFL. He's playing against the Bengals who are very much a work in progress on the, the defensive side of the ball. On the other hand, I'm with you. Look, let's start out and saying, we all hope OBJ comes back. Yeah. And he's the same spectacular athlete he was before, right? Like that's, you can say, I think they're better without his ego, personality, arrogance, uh, the need for attention. And still on the other hand, say like, look, I think he's a spectacular talent. And I don't think he's a horrible human being. He's never done anything wrong to

other people. So I want him to come back and have a successful NFL career. But you're right. it reminds me, remember Dante Culpepper when he was in Minnesota with Randy Moss? Like he forced the ball to Randy Moss. Yeah. Now, Baker isn't good enough to do it on his own, but he's also, he's not good enough to, nobody's good enough to force it to one guy. And when you're, when you don't have the reputation of a wide receiver that the wide receiver has, you have a tendency to go like, eh, he'll bail me out.

And that's the wrong way to play within this offense. Yeah. We should have seen it coming. You know, Kevin Stefansky and Stefan Diggs, that didn't work. last year in Minnesota, despite the fact that Minnesota was successful. It's not what the offense designed around. Cleveland is not a good fit for the personality of O'Dell Beckham Jr. And the last thing you hit on, it's a lot like the Tampa experiment with Antonio Brown, right?

Like those guys, those personalities are so big and so strong. You have to have a quarterback who can say, hey, dude, no, I'm not going to throw it to you. Right. But you've got to run hard on every route. And it's a really interesting mix there, right? the best Randy Moss ever was, was with Tom Brady. We'll see if the best, you know, Antonio Brown was at his best, when Ben Rathesburg kind of had control of that relationship.

We'll see now in Tampa. And I'm agree with you. I think that's what Odell Beckham Jr. needs. The problem is that he commands so much money. It's really hard to find a quarterback and a wide receiver at those levels that can coexist financially. Yeah, I think actually Baker and OBJ could flourish. OBJ will be back. He'll be back.

He'll be back. He'll be back. Somebody will get them. Wide receivers always have a landing spot when they're special. Doug Gottlieb after our show, Fox Sports Radio, good seeing you, bud, top of next hour, the herd hierarchy. Coming up next, though, you're going to think I'm crazy, but is it possible that certain franchises just don't know a certain side of the ball

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when I started my career back in Portland, I've talked about this. I talked about it at the other network. I talk about it occasionally here. I believe what I'm going to say is true, and I've spent more time in my life than I care to admit talking about this. teams become their cities.

They do. What do you know? Chicago stinks on offense my entire life. What do you know? The Rams, most of their good players, outside of Aaron Donald, or on offense. Every single charger team that was any good in my life, it's a beach city, was all about offense. L.A. has always got good quarterbacks. Go back to Vince Farragama.

Never been a problem. Chicago has always been about defense because Chicago's in the Midwest, and the Midwest is tough, and Chicago's blue collar, and I love that city. Working class, tough guys, and the fans love it, and that's what sells tickets, and that's what guys talk about over draft beers. Chicago's tough. The weather's tough. You've got to be tough to live in Chicago.

You don't have to be tough to live here. It's 72 degrees with a breeze at my house every day. Mohitos every day. It's easy living. In Los Angeles, you are fired as a general. manager if you don't understand that it's a distracted market with mountains and a beach in pros college sports you'll be fired but tom telesko of the chargers and less need of the rams man they can draft offensive guys if they couldn't they'd be fired ryan pace has got a problem

he's the jam of the bears and in that city it's become an offensive league he's not he's got no feel for offense it's not a matt naggy issue he'd be unemployed five minutes Chicago has my whole life has no feel for offense. That's not what the city is. The city's about hard work, head down, crappy weather, overcoming. Los Angeles, Jeff Fisher worked in St. Louis. He looked like a dinosaur an hour into Los Angeles. Nobody's selling defense here.

Even Pete Carroll was a defensive coach. He was Flash. Matt Liner, Reggie Bush, the wide receiver. They were a flash. program. This is a distracted market. LA is a home of stars. You need stars. It's distracted. You won't get people to games. If you can't draft them, you're out. We'll get a new guy. That's why Kauai is such a weird fit with the Clippers. He doesn't talk. He's more about defense than offense. Will it work? We'll see. But Chicago has no feel for offense. They never have. They traded

Kaleel Mack for picks, right? They got Kalee Mack and they gave up picks. The Raiders, a West Coast team, California team, went and got a bunch of good offensive players. because that's what the Niners were about with Bill Walsh. And that's what John Gruden's about. And it's what the Rams are about. And now the Chargers go out and get Justin Herbert, and that's what they're about. And Seattle's got a bad defense again, and they're about offense in Russell Wilson. And Arizona's about offense.

That's the West. It's distracted. We've got college, pro sports, beach, mountain you've got to sell tickets. Pro teams everywhere. College teams everywhere. But in the Midwest, I know you think it's crazy. There's never been a Great Laker team, a great Laker team that wasn't flag. There's never been a great Detroit Pistons team that hasn't been tough, the bad boys.

They were always defined by, Boston's the same way. Boston's a tough town. Got to punch you right in the forehead in Boston if you disagree on politics. Boston's Belichick, you know, you say Brady, but they were really built. They always had great defenses. Ask Tom Brady. They didn't always have great offenses. Randy Moss Welker and Brady was that two to three year window.

It was led by offense. It's always been led by defense. First six years, last four. So the reality is Chicago's got no feel for offense. They haven't my entire life. Their defense outscores their offense. That's who they are. And to me, they've got to go.

They got to coat. The only two things offensively they have, Alan Robinson and Matt Nagy, they got to get a new GM. They got to turn this franchise upside down. The league has changed. They got to go become offense. They've got to think more west. They've got to think more sunshine. This, you know, Mike Ditka's popular there.

Tough guy. All the Chicago legends. You go on that Bears team. What were they about? Defense. Even their quarterback was headbutton people. That sells in Chicago. But the league has changed.

They got to start over in the front office. You keep Matt Nagy. You keep Allen Robinson. Certain organizations have a feel for one side of the ball. New England's always had a feel for defense with Belichick. But even Seattle, a West Coast team, Pete Carroll's defense, What are they? It's all offense. I think Chicago, Nagy, Alan Robinson, keep everything else.

They got no feel for it. What a shock. They get Kaleo Mack, the Raiders get all offense. Their defense, two years later in Chicago, carries the team. Again, it always does. Maybe I'm nuts. I think about this stuff. Heard hierarchy next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob

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