The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/04/2020 - HOUR 2 - Harbaugh, Jets

Episode Date: November 4, 2020

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By the way, I'm going to shout out to all the guys and women on the election coverage. You have to use those touch boards, those touch screens, because I've done that before, and that's no day at the beach. That thing can go haywire. And that John King guy is doing stuff, and I'm like, that guy is worth his weight in gold. I did not watch a second of election coverage. I ate a giant plate of pasta and binged about 11 episodes of Shits Creek last night. Well, that's funny show. Wife loves Anne loves to. And by the way, Anne at 4 o'clock, she never does this, says, I'm going to open a bottle of wine. And I said, why, darling? She's like, going to be a long night. Yeah, I unfortunately ran out of red wine last night, which is a tragedy, and I was not going to leave my house.

So I switched to a martini. Those are good, too. Yeah, I had a good night. Did you see the number one Google search? That was one of the top Google searches in America last night. This is funny. This is great. Liquor store near me.

I'm not joking. It's a stressful time right now. Of course it is. And listen, we're divided. I don't think some of this division is terrible. I think I like when half the country is this and half the country is that. I don't want to live in a country where everybody's on one side. I like the arguments, but I just don't.

Yeah, no, we should be able to disagree. But, you know, unfortunately, we're past that point. It's divided. We can't disagree on anything. Although I think we can all agree I look good in red, and I'm not turning that over to anyone. You look fantastic. Thank you. I like the glasses, too.

Very professional. Okay, before we get to Joel Klatt, so I do a Super Bowl bubble. I start about week five, six, seven, eight, and I've always done it the same way. I always believe there are eight teams capable of winning the Super Bowl until this year. I don't. I eliminated two, one yesterday, Green Bay. They didn't do anything at the trading deadline. I've seen them play physical teams.

Minnesota rat in them, Tampa ran in them. Last year it's the same team. They didn't address it in the draft. Here's my Super Bowl bubble. Four teams, I think, can win the Super Bowl. Tampa, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Seattle. I'll put Green Bay, Baltimore, Tennessee on the fringes because I do think if they stayed really healthy and a Seattle fell apart physically, you know,

Tennessee, Mahomes gets dinged up. I think those teams are the next best. That's only seven total. You lost the Rams, too. You can't get blown out every other game. So that's my Super Bowl ball. I don't buy the Saints I haven't all year, especially when it gets cold. They'll have to go in the road.

There'll be a two or three or four or five seed. They're not going to win in Philadelphia. So that's my Super Bowl bubble. And I will say this again. I'm not a real jealous person. You know, that's just I got my fault, but I'm not real jealous. but I would get, if I was in this industry, and I thought I had at least as much or more talent than everybody else,

and I never got support, I do here. I never got a guest booker, I do here. I never got a good co-host, I do. Or a great producer, Goulet. And I felt like, all my rivals, they always get all, and I don't. I'd be a little bitter. Aaron Rogers, I don't blame him. He's looking at Brady, and Brady had a great defense his entire time of New England.

and he goes to Tampa and it's great. And Tom was in New England. They made deals and Tampa makes deals and they get him A-B. And Aaron's like, can I just get a Will Fuller? Can I get a second round pick for a linebacker? Like I get a little bit of bitterness. This is why I've always said I hate the franchise tag for quarterbacks. I hate it.

Aaron's trapped. I can't go anywhere. I do not like the franchise tag at all. I don't think it's fair that I worked my tail off in college. You get me for four years and then you can keep me for two more. If you're a lousy franchise, I hate it. Aaron Rogers, after his first contract, by the end of it, should say, do I like my GM? Do I like my owner?

No, I'm out. But I get a little resentment. I would get a little bit of it if I'm Aaron. I mean, listen, he's lost to Colin Kaepernick. Campernick had a loaded roster. He lost to Jimmy Garopolo. Garopolo had a loaded roster. Like he's lost Matt Ryan.

He's better than Matt Ryan. Matt had an organization that would spend money and get picks. And so I get it. But my Super Bowl bubble this morning is four teams. Seattle, Tampa, and the NFC, Pittsburgh, Kansas City. Because Green Bay didn't do anything at the trading deadline. All right, every week, you know, this week I have a feeling. There's an old saying there's a term called eat crow.

I rarely have to. But I'm not going to lie. The Harbaugh thing's not great for me right now. Or Joel Clatt. Let's bring him on the voice of college football. Joel Clatt, Fox Sports. It is, we are literally now, you've heard of Gilligan's Island, it's Harba Island, and we're the last two on it. And I think it's in my rearview mirror at this point.

Okay, so let's look. That wasn't good Saturday. Okay. My goodness. All right. We both like Mel Tucker. You played at Colorado. I thought he made him big and physical very quickly there.

Yeah, he toughened that program up. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. And then he immediately, I think, at Michigan State, retained what they were under Dantonio, which was a team that would rise to the occasion against Michigan. In large part, Mark Antonio built his whole reputation as a coach off of the fact that he beat Michigan. Yeah. And he beat them fairly consistently.

And now Mel Tucker has done it in his very first opportunity. With somebody else's players. And by the way, it wasn't that close, to be honest with you, because Michigan couldn't do any of the things that Michigan did well against Minnesota. And Michigan State played great football and had a great plan. They were attacking those corners, Rocky, the quarterback played pretty well. White on the outside, a true freshman wide receiver. He was sensational. And then a huge shout out to Antoine Simmons, the linebacker for Michigan State.

Did you know that he played his high school football literally across the street from the big house? There's a high school right there at Pioneer High School. Those of you in Armour, you know exactly what they didn't recruit him? He didn't really want to play at Michigan. And it came down to kind of Ohio State, maybe Michigan State ends up in East Lansing. He's been a really good player. He's played a ton of football for them. And as a senior in the Big House plays one of his best games, 11 tackles.

kudos to Antoine Simmons. That was a great performance. I've been watching Pioneer High School football for years. Have you? Have you? Interesting. Okay, so let's ask this. So I heard this years ago. I'm going to give you a little sourcing. I have a labyrinth of sources. I bet. I bet. I mean, I literally have to say to GMs in the NFL, stop texting me. Oh, I'm sure. So I heard this a couple years ago about Harbaugh when he was in the NFL. Okay. And then I heard it from a friend of mine who knows Harbaugh really well and just happened to be, let's say, in the last 20 years on one of his Okay. Harbaugh holds fewer meetings under people.

He's really quirky. There's things he does well, but it's not like other programs. He doesn't coach it like Urban or Nick. And they were like, listen, it's a different thing. Our meetings aren't as long. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I look at Michigan and I think something's not working. They're too inconsistent.

They haven't gotten the quarterback right yet, which I don't get. Michigan's a great school. but you tell me there's something not working here. You tell me what it is inside the secret sauce that's not working. Is it easy? He too quirky is a guy. Well, it's interesting that you say that because it's really working exceptionally well

outside of Michigan State, Ohio State, and bowl games. Well, that's like Sam, I'm great except when I'm on the air. No, listen. I got to be good on the air. I understand that. And that's a huge. issue. And I think Saturday's loss for Michigan was a low point under Harba. Hor is worst loss. In particular with the way that Michigan State had, you know, a coaching

staff that came in late, a lot of new players. It does not look good. I will tell you this, that, and I've said this on your program before, a lot of, a lot of the hate that Harbaugh gets is, is deserved because a lot of people think and his contracts suggest that they should be playing at the very top end of college football, the Ohio State end of college football, the Alabama end of college football. And they're just not that type of program. They're not. And I've said this before, but if you're just looking for Michigan to get back to doing Michigan things, they're actually doing that. If you actually look at their history. Except actually beating Michigan State, because they don't have to beat Ohio State. That's true. If they were beating Michigan State,

just that, they'd be okay with it. And they would still be like, I wish we could beat Ohio State, but remember Ohio State's on a historically great run. But just to give you some kind of context of what I'm talking about. And this is not an excuse because they're underperforming right now and that's not okay. Right. And Jim understands that and he understands that that was a terrible loss. I'm sure of it. However, Michigan's won 12 football games one time in the history of their program. Once. Once. And they shared a national championship because of it. Brian Greasy, of course, and that great team that was undefeated in 12 and 0 under Lloyd Carr. Just give you some context. Ohio State has won 12 games eight times this decade. It's a different level. It's a different level. They're

recruiting at a different level. And right now, Michigan is not there. And that drives people insane because they felt like Harbaugh with his salary, with his ability to recruit in particular early, that they were going to get to that level. And that's the expectation. If that's the expectation, then you're falling short. And that's frustrating for them. And I don't know how it's going to end there. I think that they're not going to fire him. I don't think that they would, but I wouldn't be shocked if he, you know, stepped away. I would not be surprised at all if in a matter of a few years, Jim Harbaugh is not coaching anywhere and driving around the country in an RV. And I'm not joking. That's not being, like, I'm not being sarcastic there. That's not a joke or a knock. I'm dead

serious. Like, I don't think that if it's not going to work at Michigan, Jim's not going to go anywhere else. He's going to drive around the country in RV. Like, that's again, not sarcastic. Trust me, I'm two bad segments from doing the same thing. Okay, so let's go. I'm actually excited for this. USC Arizona State, early game, nine in the morning. I'm going to have my English muffin, my burn English muffin, scramble eggs. Joyce apparently going to be on her third martini.

Yeah, yeah. So let me just say this. Herm Edwards. Probably not. Well, that's true. It's going to be 9 a.m. Herm Edwards has worked. They play real.

I'm not going to tell you something. You may not watch Pac-12 football. Herm Edwards, they're the second or third best recruiting. program right now in the PAC 12. I think Arizona State has a chance to win that game. Yeah, I do too. Not that, listen, I'm calling that game, so I don't want to get too overboard here, but that's a lot of points. I'm just saying. I've done a lot of games this year so far, and only one home team has won. Not just covered or it. Only one home team has won the game. That was Ohio State or Nebraska. Every other game that I've done, the road team has come in and

win most of them multi-touchdown underdogs. And I think Arizona He's catching 10 and a half. That's the last I'll say. That's the last I'll say. You know what I'm talking about. You guys out there. Okay, so, Herm has worked, and think about it from this standpoint. Why?

It's a great question. They understood that the point in college football is recruiting. That's number one. And within recruiting, there's really two elements that players care about. Championships in the NFL. Boom. Okay. And so everything they did and built was to create a scenario where it was going to mimic and feel like the NFL. This is going to, I am the CEO. This is what we're going to do.

Are their meetings or NFL style of meetings? There are players that go to the league like Brendan Ayyuk has had a lot of success early because he comes from a college program that feels like an NFL program. That's kind of how they operate. And that's why it's worked. And think about this. the juxtaposition, it was not the exact same day, but it was close, where Kevin Sumlin and Herm Edwards were hired the same offseason. And everybody to a man were like, oh, that's a home run for Arizona. What is Arizona State doing? And now you look up a few years later, and it's clear that Arizona State kind of won that hiring battle.

I'm going to throw something at you. I'm going to, America, get ready for this one. The reason Herm works. people didn't think Pete Carroll was going to work. People didn't think Herm's going to work. This is why. In politics and in college football, can you deliver a message?

What are you? When I look at Pete Carroll, USC was swimming, and Pete's like, competition Wednesday, compete every day. I'm going to change your life. It totally popped.

Yeah. Herm, I'm going to get you the NFL. There you go. And think about it. He is a message deliver guy. No, no, he can. You know, Benjamin goes to the NFL, gets drafted by the Cardinals. You know, like, they're going to have some more players that get drafted.

By the way, they have two true freshmen running back that are going to play, running backs are going to play Saturday. One of them, they got kind of right out from the nose of Ohio. Like, he was a five-star highly rated recruit in Ohio. And Arizona State gets him. You're like, what in the world? Well, let me tell you why. It's because they're selling the NFL at Arizona State.

and it's working right now. That's going to be a great game, by the way. Those two teams are the best two teams in that division. And folks, I don't know if you've paid attention to college football, but right now, if the PAC 12 gets an undefeated team through their conference, they're going to go to the playoffs. So if I'm Arizona State and USC right now, I'm thinking, why not us? I know that sounds crazy, but why not us?

All right. Can Clemson beat Notre Dame without Trevor Lawrence? I'm less concerned. I know this is going to sound like heresy. I'm less concerned about Lawrence than I am. They've got a couple of defensive players that have been out. Skolsky, who's kind of their defensive captain. I believe it's Tony Davis, one of their defensive linemen,

probably their best defensive linemen, at least as it relates to a couple of the coaching staffs that have played them already. By the way, true freshman quarterback, no big long camp. And on the road against a big physical Notre Dame team. They're very. They're very big, right? And they can run it and they can ball control you. They can play physical on the defensive side.

They got length in the secondary. Now, if Trevor's playing, I clearly favor Clemson. And I think that that's pretty obvious. But Notre Dame has got a great shot. And by the way, they might need this game desperately. Because remember, in the ACC that are not doing divisions, it's just going to be the best two winning percentages are going to play in the ACC championship game. That looks like it's going to be Notre Dame and Clemson,

regardless of how this game winds up this week. well, the playoff committee's not taking Notre Dame if they lose twice to Clemson. They're just not going to do it. So Notre Dame's only path to the playoff is beating Clemson at least once this year and their best chance is clearly going to be at home with Lawrence. What's the weather like? I don't know, actually. I haven't seen that in South Carolina.

I mean, I'm sure it's charming. It's November in Indiana. I know it's supposed to be bad here in L.A. this weekend. What would be bad? Windy and rainy. 60 degrees. Oh, I like Arizona State in the upset then. Wow. Interesting.

Okay. So what do we got there this weather? weekend in the South Bend. Saturday, 70 degrees. What is it? Low of 50. Oh, God, then Clemson will win. Okay.

I thought it was going to be like nine degrees in snowing. I'm like, that's a Notre Dame win. Well, I wouldn't be shocked if Notre Dame wins that game, but like I said, look at those injuries on the defensive side for Clemson. I think those are going to be a bigger factor in particular with Notre Dame's ability to run the ball and control the game with their offensive line.

All right. Do you watch election coverage last night? I did. I was flipping around. I was watching some film. I think I'm probably like most Americans, very eager for this. God. Right? Oh, I'm just, I just want to wake up one day and not talk about presidents. Sure.

Can I just go to the grocery store, go to Costco, get a big tub of mayonnaise and sit there by myself and enjoy it? Top of mayonnaise. I tell you what. And just have tuna fish sandwiches all day. The dietary habits right now of what's going on on this show are very interesting. I just don't want to talk about presidents every day. I've done it for four years. I just want to go have tuna fish sandwiches, crackers, talk to my dogs, and pour

Heineken. Well, you have to talk to your dogs after a tuna fish sandwich because that's the only people that will talk to you after a tuna fish sandwich. Am I right? You're right, Joel Platt. I feel bad. All of you that wait every week for me to, you know, stuff calling into like a locker or something like that didn't really happen today, so I apologize. No, I mean, listen, we don't manufacture that. I know, I know. But it still disappoints me because I know there's so many people out there that just take such great happiness and joy, you know, when I can come in here and bodybag you for a while. When you go on around the country and you talk to these very talented coaches, they scold you for talking to me like this.

False. This is a politifact fact check false. This is a four Pinocchio claim that Collins is. What a coach is every single person. Now you're not much less coach. I mean, this is. What do they say? Hey, keep giving Colin crap, man. Hold him to the fire. Man, I love it when you stuff them into a locker. And I'm like, yeah, me too. I'm not by nature, a bull. at least I hope not. Maybe some would disagree with that, but I do like bullying Colin. It's not what my sources say. I got a lot of them. Literally, I turn my phone off sometimes because they GMs in the NFL. Roger Goodell won't stop texting. All the texts from the GMs that text me around the league. It's amazing. All right, buddy, good

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Green Bay just lost. Chicago's not going anywhere. They're feisty. Good stuff. All right, let's not waste any time. Joey Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Herdline News. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. There wasn't a whole lot going on at the trade deadline yesterday, but the dolphins made a couple of moves. They traded wide receiver Isaiah Ford to the Patriots for a conditional sixth round pick in 2022. And they acquired running back to D'Andre Washington and a conditional seventh round pick in 2021 from the Chiefs in exchange for a conditional 2021 six round pick. Now at first glance, it would look like the Patriots were making a move to bolster their skill positions. I think it's a bunch of phoniness.

I think it's looking like they want you to think that they're still competing. but that guy's he's talented. He was a good third down receiver for Miami. He's talented. But, I mean, again, he should be your number four receiver. There's also, you know, the Flores-Belichick connection there. So, you know, just a little movement of some pieces around. Dolphins need some depth at running back.

Yes, they're starting running back Miles Gaskin is expected to miss three games with an MCL sprain. DeAndre Washington at three carries for five yards, one reception, two yards. Only played a one game with the Chiefs this season. But as you mentioned, it's just to add a little depth there and make some. around the trade deadline. So Jimmy Garoppolo is headed to the injured reserve list and could be done for the season after injuring his ankle again last weekend against the Seahawks. But Kyle Shanahan said he didn't have any second thoughts about bringing Jimmy G. back too soon. When you have those high ankle sprains that you re-injure him a lot, but it was a different way that

he did it. So it's basically doing it all over again in a different way. So I don't regret bringing him back in any of the times, you know, but he redid something in the Seattle game. And it was bad, tried hard to come back and I'm glad the docs want to let them because it ended up being worse than we thought. Listen, everybody in this league plays hurt. I mean, you just, if Jimmy probably pushed, you wanted to play. This is not a Kevin Durant situation. Right, right. Yeah.

This is like, this is the NFL. You're going to play through injuries you probably shouldn't be doing any kind of physical activity on. And he is expected to make six weeks with the high ankle sprain. He's gathering some other opinions while trying to determine if he needs surgery. But he's out and essentially, the 49ers season appears to be over. Now they have Nick Mullins, so, you know, it is still a Shanahan system. But Jimmy G is obviously better than him.

That's why he's the starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers. The division is the Rams are now going to be better. Arizona's better. And Seattle's way better. So it's over. And, you know, in the NFC, like you're not going to sneak your way in at this record at this point in the season without your starting quarterback. The 49ers also shut down their facility today after a positive COVID test.

the game is obviously still scheduled for tomorrow. So we were talking about this over the past couple weeks, that it looked like we reacted too soon to what was happening with San Francisco. But this is just a year that they're going to... They're falling apart. They're falling apart physically. Sometimes it happens. I don't think it's anything too dramatic to react to,

but you look more macro, what do you do with Jimmy G? Because there was already some questions coming into this season about Jimmy G, which I thought was a little bit exaggerated because they were. just in the Super Bowl and one throw away from winning the Super Bowl. But I always struggle with that one play thing because it's kind of like, well, that's the play that the guy would make if you had the guy. Right. Right.

So it may seem small and kind of insignificant that he didn't make that play. Like you were in the Super Bowl, you were just one play away, you did dominate the chiefs for the most of the game. But what do you do? Like, what do you do with Jimmy G at this point? He's always injured. He wasn't really lauded like that to begin with.

I think they're going to engineer some kind of move to get Sam Darnold. I really do. I think Sam Darnold is going to be a 49er or Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan's much more expensive, but I think there's going to be a robust market for Sam Darnold, and I think the Colts are going to lead it, and the Niners are going to be

second, and Washington's going to be third. And if I'm Sam Darnold, I would much rather go to Kyle Shanahan. And the Colts O-line than where he's currently at. Yeah, and over Washington as well. You know, I do think that Washington is trending in the right direction. They are ways off, obviously, from the 49ers. He's a defensive coach.

I want Frank Reiker Shanahan. I'll take an offensive coach. I really feel like Sam Donald kind of fits more with the Colts. He feels like a Colt. Tough guy. Quarterback, yeah. I agree with you. Yeah.

San Francisco 49 is a little bit of a glamorous franchise. That's not who he is. He's a beach volleyball player. He was a linebacker for a while. I mean, Donald's a tough guy. In fact, he did something last week. I would have scolded him. He ran just headlong into a couple of chiefs to pick.

He's a very reckless player. Yeah, like Sam. You're not a linebacker at the Huntington Beach High or wherever you're words. San Juan Capistrano. You're not describe him as a finesse. No. No. He is not a finesse quarterback.

He weirdly kind of reminds me of Carson Wentz in a lot of ways. Yes. That's exactly what he ruined. That's a good comp. He's a reckless, high ceiling, reckless. You're getting turnovers. and sometimes you're like, just slide. Just slide, just get down, and it kind of gets down sort of clunky anyway.

Yeah, that's a good comp. But he does have the potential to elevate a team. But he did see that with him last year. Has an it quality, physically will make throws and plays. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, he beat Dallas and the Raiders. I think it was last year. There were a couple of moments, you're like, God, if Donald had anything to work with.

Finally, Darryl Morey is the new president of basketball operations for the 76ers and could be looking into bringing a familiar face to the organization. Philly is reportedly expected to have interest in pursuing a trade for James Hardin. The Rockets are currently not shopping their star, but Theromori already making headlines. We thought he might step away from the game for a little bit. Nope, right over to Philadelphia. I would love this move for Philadelphia.

Yeah, but what do I get in Houston? I'm giving you the best score in the game. You've got to give me more than Ben Simmons. No, they probably will. But I also think both of these organizations, while they have two stars, they've clearly reached a place where some kind of dramatic movement has to happen. It can't just be moving the coach out. Obviously, they need to make some moves, adjust what they have going on,

because neither one of them can get over the hump with what they currently have. There's no denying that they both have talents. Both of these organizations have a lot of talent at the top, but it needs some restructuring. There's a reason why Darryl Morey left. There's a reason why the coaches are no longer there, right? They've reached a place where they need to redirect. So I don't think even if you didn't get enough for James Hardin,

that it would be the worst situation because you kind of need to go in a new direction. Is this even going to happen? Who knows? Vacca this is even out there kind of tells me that these conversations are already being had. But, I mean, if I'm James Hardin, that's not the worst situation for him. Yeah. I actually believe it would work. Oh, no, I think he and MB to be great together inside outside.

And I think the East is going to start being really, really competitive next year. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. I was talking to a buddy of mine yesterday, and we were, it was Gottlieb, actually. We were talking about this. It's like, does everybody understand this darn old Trevor Lawrence Jet thing is becoming a really big story?

It's becoming, this is going to be a humongous, highly rated NFL draft. This could break records because Trevor Lawrence is, great and Justin Fields is great. So you have two A plus guys and the kid at North Dakota State, my guys tell me he's a very good prospect, B plus A minus, whatever. So it's really interesting. So yesterday, Joe Douglas, the new GM of the Jets, somebody asked him about Sam Dardell in the future and here's what he said. Can you say for sure now that Sam will be your starting quarterback next year? Look, I mean, we're trying to get through the next eight games. I mean, again, my feeling on Sam hasn't changed. you know, we have to do a better job of surrounding him with talent.

I have no problem saying that he's, he is our best quarterback and our quarterback for the future. Okay, so whether you believe that or not. So just to give you some perspective, you could get a haul for Trevor Lawrence if you kept Donald. So right now the Jets, and I'm only going to count four rounds, because GMs will tell you after the fourth round, there's a lot of finger crossing. And that's for the guys like Pete Carroll that are good with personnel. Like fifth round, great players generally historically aren't available in the fifth round. There's one or two guys every fifth round that's good.

So, you know, in the NFL, first round guy should be a pro bowler. Second and third should be starters really, really fast, immediately, really soon. And then a fourth round guys, a little bit of a project, but should make the NFL. Fifth round, your fingers crossed. But, you know, we've had a lot of good players in those rounds. So right now the Jets have two first rounders, a second rounder, two thirds, and through the Giants, one pick in the fourth, potentially two. So two in the first, two in the third, two in the fourth, one in the second, seven picks in that top four round.

It's a lot of players. The Jets could give up the number one pick to the Jags who want him and get the Jags two picks. So the Jets already have two first round picks. They could get the Jags, they'd go down to three and get the Jags 20 first pick from the Rams without confusing you. The Jets could end up having, this is just this year in the first round picks. round, the third pick, the 21st pick, and the 31st pick. That's just what you'd get for the first round. And if you start looking at what the Jets could get with that, to give you some sense of,

we're going to keep Darnold and move, let's just go to the first round to simplify it. Right now, the number three pick would be Jamar Chase, a wide receiver, LSU. Receiver issue solved. 21st pick, Alex Leatherwood, tackle Alabama, who you could move inside. Offensive line, back-to-back ears, first round tackles. Probably issue solved. Number 31 pick, Darian Kendrick, cornerback, Clemson, speculating, but he drops there. Cornerback, they need one, solved.

So you could solve, and you're going to have the most cap space in the NFL. So I'm just saying, keep Darnold. If I just took the first round, you'd have three key starters and the most cap space in the NFL. I'm not counting the fact they'd have a second, two-thirds, two-thirds, and they'd probably get another first round pick for next year. So keeping Darnold, you can get a haul. But I do think, as Peter Schrager said, boy, do you need to be able to sell something in this city and they are just losing steam?

There's not a lot to support and chase and market right now. It's Darnold and nonsense. So, you know, my gut feeling is they go get Trevor Lawrence. All right. Akeep Taleb, one of my all-time favorite guests. Nobody keeps it more real than Akeep Taleb. He's going to be joining me next halfway through the NFL season. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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My kind of feeling is, you know, right before Thanksgiving, what you see is what you get. We kind of know who's good who's not. Were you ever on a team that in week eight got significantly better or worse two months from now? No, never. I feel like by November, you know what you got. You know if you're a good team. You know if you're a contender or you know if you're working on next year. I can recall

I can recall Bill in meeting saying that, you know, the football season starts in November. Like, this is when it really cranks up. The good teams are really trying to be good. The decent teams are trying to be a good team. And the bad teams are just getting ready for next year,

man. The guys check out. So, no, what you see is what you get. You know, it's funny. I said this about Green Bay. They're like a convertible sports car. They look good in the summer and early fall. But once it gets cold, you've got to put it away and get your SUV out. And Green Bay, to me, is kind of a finesse team. They play a certain way. I don't think you can win in the NFL against

these Baltimore's, Philadelphia, Seattle, Pete Carroll, the, you know, the Steelers. It's physical football. Were you ever on a team that you thought, man, we're too soft, we are not physical enough? Like, like, I think you either have that DNA on a team or you do not. Did you ever plan a team that you thought was good, but not physical enough to win a Super Bowl? I don't know. I don't know if I don't know if I played on bad teams before, but I don't know if us not being physical. I'm thinking of my Tampa teams, my New England teams, my Denver teams and my Rams teams. I don't know if I ever was on a team that wasn't physical enough. I mean, we had some bad quarterbacks and some bad coaching, but me personally, I've never been. I've

on a team that wasn't physical enough. But it's possible, man. It's soft football teams out there. And when you play against soft football teams, you definitely can feel it. You can feel like these guys softest. They don't stand on aggression and violence out here on this field. So you can feel it when you play against those kinds of teams.

You can. So you can tell. You can tell when you're playing a soft football team. Definitely. That's interesting. So Stefan Gilmore, I thought, was going to get traded at the deadline. Like you, he's a playmaking corner. Many suspect he's past his prime.

When you watch Stefan Gilmore, is he still elite in your opinion? I think he's very elite. He's trying to backdoor a defensive MVP season. So, man, as players, man, we deal with pressure all the time, man. Pressure of taking care of our families. Pressure are performing well on TV. And the more awards you win or the more money you make, that's just the more pressure that's put on you, you know, the more eyes that's watching you.

So you're coming off the best season of your life, probably college, high school, any season you ever played in. He's coming off the best season of his life. So it's hard to, you know, it's hard to follow that up, man. So, I mean, and I don't think he's playing bad now. I think D.K. McHav had a pretty good game against him. Besides that, though, gill is gill right now. So I'm surprised. I'm surprised no team didn't trade for him.

I think it probably was a high asking price from New England because Bill knows what he has with Gil. So you got traded about eight years ago, bucks to the Patriots at the trading deadline. So Antonio, and you went to a good team and they had stars, okay? So Antonio Brown now is going to a team and they've got stars. So your first two weeks, Akeep, when you went to this star-studded really good team in New England, is it weird? How do you ingratiate yourself to the guys? Like is it a rough couple of weeks?

I don't think so. I'm a people person, Colin. So I think the locker room part took care of itself. I just went in there and I was me. And as far as on the field, you know, you just want to show guys what type of player you is. So, man, I probably, my first two weeks of practice was real hard, hard practice, a lot of film.

I was out there by myself. I didn't have to worry about my kids or anything. So I just learned that playbook. I watched a bunch of tape just watching the defense and seeing how the defense play. So, man, I think it was like you got to prove yourself. You want to prove yourself to them group of guys. You want them guys to be able to believe in you. So that starts in practice.

That's starting the meeting room. But you're going to be yourself, man. As far as what type of person you are when you go in that locker room, if you're a quiet guy, you're going to be a quiet guy. If you're a social guy, you're going to talk to all the guys. So, I mean, AB going to fit right in. I think, man, he's a social guy. All the guys know him and what they're going to love about him and respect about him is he's the hardest working player in the NFL.

That's what the bottom line is that's what you can't take away from AB. He outworked any receiver you want to put in front of him. His workouts will go longer than any receivers in the NFL. So guys going to love him and respect him for that. Was Brady good to you when you first arrived in Foxborough? He was great, man. It was great. He came, introduced himself in the locker room. I even thought I was going to have some offense, Colin. I remember staying after practice, me, Tom and Bill, throwing back shoulder phase and corner routes. I'm like, oh, man, I'm going to have me a package. I was excited. Hey, so Tom, he took care of me, man. He always went out of his way to come, you know. Make sure I was good. Make sure if I needed anything around the city, let him know. So, man, he was super receiving, man, when I got to New England. I love hearing that.

So I don't know if Tua is going to work. He's a little short. He doesn't run around a lot. I like my quarterback's a little bigger, and if they are short, I like him to run. I'm just telling you, if you're small like Kyler, then you got to move. You got to move.

What do you make it, Tua? Do you think it's going to work? What do you make of it? I think he's a starter, man. He's a leader. I think at quarterback position, it starts with being a leader, man. It starts with guys believing in you,

guys being able to, you know, depend on you to win games. And it was bad. It was bad. I want to say it was bad, but it was a weird game against the rounds. You know what I'm saying? He didn't have to do much. So I know the coordinators kind of had a pamper on them.

They're like, you know, we're making players on defense. We're running punts back. We're getting great field position. We don't have to do much. So he didn't have to do much. But I think that the playbook will open up a little bit more this week against Arizona. I think he could do it, man. And if you play on the stage like Alabama and you win national championships and things like that,

that's the telltale sign right there. You can't play for Alabama and be a starting quarterback. And that's like a mini NFL stage right there, that SEC. So if you can handle the pressure of the SEC and Alabama starting quarterback, I think you can handle it. You could play in the NFL. You said we had a minute left. You said he had a certain personality.

There's leadership. Can you sense that early from a quarterback like, That's an it guy. Like he's a man's man. That's a it guy. I think you can, man. You know right away, and Nick Saban knew. That's why he had him as a starting quarterback.

So I think it kind of goes off colleges. If you're a guy who's at New I'm saying, a smaller college and NFL guys just don't look at you as an it guy because you didn't make it to that stage. But I think once you make it to that SEC, Alabama, Florida State, Florida, Ohio State. Once you make it to that stage, NFL guys know he's a it guy. great seeing you bud Akeep to leave nice having you on appreciate it Colin it's always a pleasure man 12 NFL years pro bowler for five of them

10 picks taken back for touchdowns Akeep to leave it's one of my favorite people I tell that every time I love Akeep There's just no BS with him Like I tell everybody's BS in everybody Your boss BS is you Your politicians BS in you Can't trust polls, you can't trust this

Akeb says something I know it's real I know he's telling me something that's real He's not going to BS me He's just giving it to me straight there is something there is something interesting about that though like I don't know how women judge women but there is something about certain guys walk into a room and they just kind of feel it you can kind of feel the whether they're just telling the truth you can do it well no just yeah like he said too has kind of got a leadership thing there is something to be said for some guys just there you look there's a presence about oh yeah absolutely do women talk about presence? Yeah, I mean, it's just a confidence thing. I don't know that it's, it depends on how it comes off. You know, if you're extremely confident in a room full of obviously insecure people, it might come off as arrogance.

Right. If you're extremely confident in a room full of other confident people, like, you know, a room full of professional athletes. And you are supremely confident. That's important. That's what a leader is. Oh, that's interesting. Keep to leave. Peter King last hour.

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