The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/10/2020 - HOUR 2 - Herd Hierarchy, Trevor Lawrence

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

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So great, right? It's freezing in our studio this morning, so Skip Bayliss likes, you know, he likes like 12 degrees in here. So we walk in every morning and it's like Siberia. It's Anchorage. And then Joy and I from warm weather places. Like, you know, I spent a lot of years in Vegas, you in Miami. We like it warm. Yeah, so I'm wearing a sweater today.

But I also, unlike you, have a heated blanket. I don't. Every day. So it's cold in L.A. today, though. It was cold last night. I went out to dinner. I'm like cold, not like we're complaining cold. It was legit cold.

It's like 40 degrees. Yeah. This is a shame. It had to be one day of the year. It wasn't perfect for us. So, you know, by the way, when I do the herd hierarchy, His Goulet knows. I used to work at another place.

Thankfully, don't. And they would do a top 10 list every week. And it was just basically all the undefeated teams were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And I'm like, those aren't the best teams. There's no context to it. Sometimes you get scheduling. So a lot of times teams will win. I'll move them down.

Who'd you beat? How'd you beat him? Teams will lose and I don't move them down. It's like, well, they lost an overtime game. So mine's not based on anything other than like when I watch them play. I kind of go, would this team beat that team, beat that team, beat that team? So with that, I present the herd hierarchy. Heard hierarchy.

Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. I moved the Raiders down after a win. If it wasn't for a bobble, they lose to the Chargers. You know, listen, they've won three of their last four games on the road. There's something to them. You know, they beat Kansas City, 13 straight games with 300 plus yards.

Derek Carr, top five, complete. least in percentage. I like them. I think there's a way for them to win. I don't think they're good enough defensively. And I think as we get into Thanksgiving and beyond, defense becomes a much bigger deal. They're a good football team. I think there's a ceiling with them. I've seen them get rolled by Buffalo and Tampa at home. But I like them. I don't love them, but I like them. I thought if not for a bobble, they lose this past weekend. And it's like Mark Schleris said. When they do a little bully ball in offense, control it, they can win. But I see. I see some cracks here, and I thought they were a little bit lucky this weekend.

Number nine. I think the Dolphins would beat the Raiders today this morning if they played. I think their head coach is great. They've got two defensive touchdowns the last two weeks. That leads the NFL. I think they have a better defense than the Raiders. I think similarly, they'll be very efficient at quarterback. I think they play as hard as anybody in the league.

I mean, from special teams to defense, they got a lot of different ways they can score and beat you. I just like what Miami's doing. And I think if they played the Raiders over the next month, I think they'd give them fits. To go to Arizona and win that game in two a second start blew me away. Miami 9. Number eight. But I think they would lose to Tampa Bay. Let's not go crazy on Tampa Bay.

Tampa would beat Miami because of their experience at quarterback. Tampa's got a reality now. They're really inconsistent and they're a wild card team. And they're 0 and 2 against the Saints. That's their reality. Now, their defense has forced the most turnovers in the NFL and is tied for the most interceptions. But even their defense has been inconsistent. On their good days, they can beat anybody.

And on their bad days, they're embarrassing. That's why I put them at number eight. Number seven. But I think the Seahawks would beat Tampa because despite what I saw in Buffalo, Seattle had won their last 10 East Coast road trips. Here's Seattle's issue. They're bad against mobile quarterbacks. And Brady's not mobile.

I think they'd beat Tampa. First team in NFL history to score and allow. 23 points in nine consecutive games. So their games are all shootouts. The Seahawks don't play a normal game ever. All their games are whack. All of them. They're all crazy.

Their defense has allowed three different quarterbacks to throw for 400 plus yards this year. It's all the mobile guys. But I do think with Carlos Dunlap on the defensive line and Jamal Adams, they will get better defensively. I think this game this week was weird. They had two big divisional rivals. The Niners and the Rams this week, and it was a sandwich game out east,

and they played awful. But I think if they played Tampa that has a pocket quarterback, they would win. Number six. But I think Buffalo would beat Seattle. How do I know? Because I just watched them. Buffalo's two teams. When John Brown is playing and healthy at wide receiver, they are a handful.

When he's not, they're not as dangerous offensively. Josh Allen's playing well. They're on a three-game winning streak. Let's be fair. They've only lost two games, Chiefs and Titans. They're good. I like their coach. The quarterback is good.

when he's got his full arsenal of people. That includes John Brown. Their defense isn't great. But again, I think good coaches elevate what you are. So if you're average defensively, can you be at least situationally okay on defense? I think Buffalo can. Number five. You know, I could put the Saints number one after this weekend,

so I don't want to overreact. But they aren't a five-game winning streak. I thought their defense finally showed up. They have Emmanuel Sanders and Michael Thomas back. and this is a big Vegas thing. Second best yardage differential in the NFL. So they've outgained their opponents by almost 650 yards. Vegas loves that.

Basically, when you go into games, you win the yardage. If you do that over the course of the season, you win 10, 12 games. And you get, right now they're a number one seed. So I don't want to overreact to it, but I love what I saw from their defense. I thought it was like, okay, and let's be honest about it. They've been all beat up at wide receiver for a month. So now they're healthy. it's a different looking team.

Number four. But listen, here's my thing with Green Bay. I know what they are in their good days. I know what they are in their bad days. But they usually have good days. So I think they're going to win 13 games. I think they're going to be the number one or two seed. I think Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams right now

are the most lethal quarterback wide receiver combo in the league. I love Aaron Jones. There's so much I like about this team. I just don't think they're good in a phone booth. But I think a couple of the teams they don't match out well with are like Baltimore, Tennessee, you know, Pittsburgh. Oh, they're in the AFC. So I think a lot of the teams in the NFC, they do match up.

I think they match up with the Saints fine. I think they match up with Seattle fine. So the teams I don't love how they match up with, the Niners are all beat up, and the other ones are in the AFC. Number three. Ravens. It's funny, everybody's telling the Ravens style. I want to read you two things.

31 straight games, they scored over 20 points. It's the longest streak in the league. and you're all telling me how bad their offense is. And 21 consecutive games, they've had a takeaway. That's the longest streak in the NFL. We've got to slow down on Baltimore. They give you 27 points a week minimum, and they take them all away from you.

Lamar was 10 for 10 against the Colts in the second half. They're not perfect offensively when throwing the ball. But they're fine. They lost to the Steelers by a play on a turnover plagued afternoon. I still think Baltimore is one of the four. best teams, three best teams in the league. Number two. Steelers. They drive me nuts, but they have the most sacks.

Multiple touchdown passes for Big Ben. Everybody's close. They're too emotional for me. But I will say this. Just got a bunch of good players. They draft them well. They develop them. I've been critical of Mike Tomlin before. Sundays, why? That was, that's why I stayed away from that bet. Everybody's got to take the Steelers.

No way am I taking the Steelers as a two-touchdown favorite. But I will say this. There's only one great team in this league. Everybody else we can argue over your eight, no, I'll put you at two. Number one. I think they're their own category. Head coach A-plus, quarterback A-plus, weapons A-plus, defense A-minus, Kansas City. There's nothing not to like.

They play well from behind. They play well with a lead. They had a little bit of a hiccup and a shootout to the Raiders. I really like what they're doing with Mahomes. The average NFL quarterback throws 35 times a game. He's now throwing 30. So they're building a running game. They're protecting it.

There's just nothing I don't like about them. That is, you know, it's funny. The last 20 years we had a dynasty that was efficient but kind of boring. They're the opposite. They can be efficient, but their big play, I don't see a weakness. You know, once they start playing defense, injuries, that's it. Chita gets hurt Patrick Mahomes gets hurt

Travis Kelsey it's a problem right now best team in the league and then there's nine other good teams that probably on their best day couldn't beat him

there you go Joy any arguments I think I would move the Saints up on Green Bay just because I thought about that I don't like Green Bay's run defense at all

no I mean that's totally fair I didn't want to overreact to Sunday yeah no no it's understandable but I like it by the way that's only switch I would make did the Packers beat the Saints

Yeah, they did, didn't they? I didn't even count for that. But that's not what we're doing. That's not how the hierarchy works. I mean, listen, Buffalo, I put him one spot ahead of Seattle. It wasn't just the game. It's that Seattle is too dependent on Russell Wilson. Whereas I felt like Buffalo had other options beyond Josh Allen.

So there you go. I feel pretty. I like seeing the dolphins up there. Today, dolphins play Raiders. I take the dolphins. We're November now. It's November. Defense matters.

Keep your eye. This will become a big thing. Health. Like, for instance, Seattle is seven. Let's be honest about it. If Seattle's running backs are healthy. If Chris Carson is healthy. That's a big if with them.

I know, it's a big if. But if they are, I could put Seattle in the top three or four and feel great about it. When Seattle goes into a game and they're all banged up at running back, which is sort of like every week, I don't like him. much because they become totally dependent on Russell Wilson. I do agree with your point about Green Bay, though, because they don't match up well with physical teams. But they're all out east.

They're all in the AFC. They're on the AFC now. And it used to be San Francisco. Okay, they're not a factor. So all the teams that are roadblocks for Green Bay are either in the AFC or like that are going to be in the playoffs. Yeah. Right.

But I don't think L.A. Rams is a bad matchup. I don't think. Green Bay Seattle play right now. You're taking Green Bay. It's, uh, it depends on if Seattle's running backs are healthy, Seattle. They're not, I take Green Bay. Can Seattle, when their running backs are healthy, they're a physical team. When they're not, they become a finesse team.

It's like Russell run. They become Arizona. Seattle is Arizona when the running backs aren't healthy. And Arizona is not going to beat Green Bay in a shootout. Right. But when Seattle's running backs are healthy, they're a little more like Baltimore. Well, I mean, that's also the weakness of Green Bay. Yeah.

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You know, I said this to start our show today. When Brady left New England, I was shocked. Now, a lot of you guys that are on the inside weren't. You know, the house was for sale, all that stuff. But I think a lot of us were like Tom's a system guy. He loves it. It's very much about, you know, the grind, and he's a grind guy. And I look at Bill Belichick.

And as much as he's great, Pete Carroll was fired twice when he couldn't get a quarterback. Couldn't win in Seattle pre-Russle Wilson. Belichick's won 43% of his games. And I don't see a solution, Albert, at quarterback. They're not going to run back, Cam. They're now out of the running for the top three quarterbacks and probably Zach Wilson at BYU. If you look at their draft spot today,

and they're going to beat the Jets again. And I say to myself, Jacksonville would give him everything. They'd give Bill the GM, they'd give him the coach. Old guys like to go to Florida. The Chargers, by the way. Chargers, Albert. Cannot sell tickets in L.A.

You got LeBron, Kauai, the Rams, USC, and I think you can't win in this league if you don't have the right quarterback. Even Belichick can't. And I think to myself, what's the solution, Albert, this morning at quarterback for New England? I don't see it. I don't know. Like right now, I think you have to give it a go with Cam over the next seven weeks, see what happens. I think they very much are going to give them the chance to hold on to that job. We'll see what happens.

Obviously, they've had to change their system quite a bit. bit. But you're right. There's a lot of uncertainty past that they obviously don't have him signed past this year. I think we would have seen War of Jared Stedham by now if they really had any sort of belief left in him. And so then you look out at the veteran market, maybe somebody like Jimmy Garoppel who comes available. Maybe they look at Jacoby Brissette, who's going to be a free agent out of Indianapolis has background in their system as somebody who could be a bridge option for them. But other than that, I mean, you really are looking at the draft. And the one that is, I think, nice for some teams about the draft now. I think coming into the year,

this was like a two plus one draft class, right? Like at that position, it was Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and maybe Trey Lans. Now I think you've got maybe as many as six quarterbacks that could go in the top 50 picks. Those three guys, Zach Wilson from BYU, like you mentioned, Kyle Trask from Florida and Mack Jones from Alabama, all could be first or second round picks. And so I think right now they've got to just sort of keep their options open.

I know it was an advocate for signing cam to maybe a three or four-year deal. I still don't think that that's off the table if he starts to play. way better, but you're right. The future is very uncertain at that position for them. And without the quarterback in the NFL, like you said, you're nowhere. You know, it's interesting. I noticed this. I didn't think it was a coincidence. When LeBron arrived for the Lakers, suddenly the Clippers went out and got two stars, the Ram started signing big free agents. The Dodgers finally spent big money, mokey bets. It's like, okay, it's a competitive, distracted, deep sports market in L.A. LeBron moves in.

You want to get in the LA Times? You want to get on talk radio. You got to go get stars. And so I look at New York. And how do you catch up if you're the nets to the Knicks? Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving. And I look at the Jets. They're dead in New York.

How do you catch up to the Giants? Trevor Lawrence. I think some of this, Albert, feels like a business move. And Joe Douglas, the GM's not going to have much of a say. Like, is that crazy? Well, it would be, I think it would be valid if Trevor Lawrence wasn't this otherworldly prospect. And, you know, I think I've said this to you before. And I think it's, I think sometimes people get this part mixed up, right?

Like, this isn't we talk about somebody this way every year kind of guy. This is John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence. This is a once in a decade type of prospect. And so I think there's that, there's that, of course, it's a huge factor here. The other thing, Colin, is, are you sure about Sam Darnel? Because you're going to have to make a $25 to $30 million decision on him in May if you are going forward with him as the quarterback. And you'd be locking yourself into him for the next two years. And so I think from a football standpoint, it would make all the sense of the world.

I think it'd almost be malpractice not to take Trevor Lawrence. But you are right. It would help on the marquee having Trevor Lawrence to sell yourself in New York. And by the way, if they are going to be looking for a new coach, which seems like a distinct possibility right now, They're going to be competing with some franchises that aren't complete dumpster fires. Like, I don't view Atlanta as that bad a franchise. I don't view Houston as that bad a franchise. And so if they're in competition for some coaching candidates,

what better lure would there be out there than having a 21-year-old kid like Trevor Lawrence to build around? You know, so I watched Kyler against Tua. I said it was probably the most entertaining football game I've seen so far. You've got a lot of sources around the league. Kyler's officially a hit. It works. There's no arguing now. Kyler works in the NFL. Herbert Burrow. It's working. Tua was the one we're like, I don't know. But I tell you what, if you look at the history of the NFL, Albert,

quarterbacks that are good with defensive coaches win a lot of these Super Bowls. And I looked at Flores and Tua. I got to be honest with you, what are you hearing around the league? As I watched that, I thought, boy, this is interesting. It's really interesting you bring that up, Colin, because if you look at Russell Wilson and Seattle and you look at Tom Brady in New England playing for defensive coaches, right? What's the thing they have in common? When they were young in their careers, those teams were built where those guys didn't have the weight of the world on their shoulders.

They didn't have to throw for a million yards because those teams were built a different way. What does it look like Tua has in Miami? Like, they don't need him to throw for 300 yards every week. In fact, his first start, the defense scored a touchdown, set up another one, and they sported a touchdown on special teams. And so I think some of the sensibilities of defensive coaches lead them to build teams that way. And that can actually help your young quarterback more than having a great receiver or a great tight end for them to throw to just because

mentally they go into the game knowing, I just got to do my job and we're going to be okay. So I think that that's a part of it. And as for Tua specifically, you know, I was talking to a couple of Dolphin staffers on Sunday night. And I think there were some interesting things that came from those conversations. Number one, they really liked how he adjusted on the fly. They He lost a tight end, Durham Smyth, and a receiver, Preston Williams in game. They really, really liked the way that he adjusted as things went on and was able to kind of roll with the punches there. And one of the guys that I talked to just kind of put it this way to me on how he performed

down the stretch, it came down to three words. He's a winner. They already see that just half the season into his NFL career. Yeah, well, that's what Sabin said. He's a winner. Not ideal size, not a huge arm, not the cageous runner. He's a winner. So, you know, you look at, I saw a story the other day.

It may have been by Ben Volan. He said, you know, Brady, I thought the Tampa offensive game plan was weird. So Tom generally likes, he likes to get his completions in. He likes to get into a little bit of a rhythm. Then he can go over the top. Tampa came in and just low percentage, deep pros. And I was like, this is just not Tom. And listen, Aryans called him out a little.

And Ben Volan's article says, is there a power, strong? what do you make when you watch that performance it's beyond losing it feels like are there kind of a are there disconnecting points here arian style tom style at all i think there were probably a couple things that were like i actually was encouraged with what we had seen over the weeks previous to this one so you know i don't want to make sweeping conclusions based on what was a really really bad sunday night for them against the same fact i think we saw some of the things that we're encouraging, just as far as Brady's willingness to go down the field, obviously Bruce Ariens' offense has always been conducive to that sort of thing. So we saw that. I think one thing that's interesting about this one, though, is what happens when you're playing

from behind, right? Like, Brady's always like to sort of spread the ball around. He's like to have control of things. He isn't the type of quarterback who's going to try and get everything back in one throw. And I think playing from behind can kind of stress coaches and quarterbacks in different ways. And so, you know, I think now this kind of puts them at an interesting crossroads because now they've seen it. What happens when things go awry? They've got to decide who they are in those spots. And so I think that that's where you saw a little bit of that disconnect.

Whereas when you're up by three touchdowns, it's easy to go down the field, right? Like, hey, let's try this and see if it works, if it doesn't, no big deal. It's a lot different when you're playing from behind. And so you would hope at least that now guys like Tom Brady, Clyde Christensen, Tom Moore, and Bruce Arias can go back and look at that and say, we really got to figure out who we want to be in those sorts of spots because it wasn't working on Sunday night. Yeah. Okay. If we all acknowledge Kansas City is the best team in the league, a quarterback, a coach, I think their defense is playing it in a level, A weapons. Who is your second best team in the NFL this morning?

I still think it's Pittsburgh. I put Pittsburgh number one in my power rankings because they're undefeated. But I still think it would probably be the Steelers just because they're more competitive. complete than they have been. And I do think there's a ceiling there. I think that there's like, they've got a ways to go before. They're really hitting on full throttle. And one of the reasons why, I still think there's another gear they can hit with those young receivers. And it looks like they've got three really good ones. Yeah. Ju-Jew Smith, Schuster, Deonti, Deonti Johnson, and, and obviously the rookie Chase Claypool. And so really good defense. It looks like they've got the defense fixed. The running game's working. And now I think there's even another level that they can reach

with those three young receivers. They haven't gotten there yet, but I do think that there's a room to grow there where they can grow a little bit more. And I think when it comes to kind of ranking these teams and stacking them and competing for championships, it's about who has the least flaws. And I look at the Steelers roster,

and I just don't see a whole lot of holes. Devin Bush might have created one at linebacker, but Vince Williams is a really good player in there for him, and they were able to trade for Avery Williams. And so I think they're the second most complete team and the second best team in the league. beyond the Chiefs. Albert Brear, good talking to you as always. Monday morning quarterback. Thanks, man. Awesome. Thanks, college. You know, we were talking about the Jets and Trevor Lawrence, and his point

is, when you get an L-Way or an Andrew Locke, like you're Peyton Manning, like just, at some point if you're a general manager, I said this with LeBron and I feel like this. And this happens maybe once a decade in the NBA and once or twice a decade in the NFL. If you're a general manager, you draft a guy to protect your legacy. A lot of people like Carmelo Anthony. You draft LeBron and

if he doesn't go, you won't be stained forever. Like if you draft Carmello and LeBron becomes great, even if Mello's great, nobody thought that Mello had the ceiling of LeBron. Like with Trevor Lawrence, and I like

Sam Darnel, he'll end up with a cult of the 49ers in Atlanta. He'll end up somewhere in a better spot, right? But you have to protect yourself sometimes. Just make, don't outthink the room. I see Cliff Kingsbury. I love him, but he out thinks the room so often. It's fourth and one.

Give the ball to Kyler. Stop giving it to running backs. Give it to Kyler. Sometimes you just, in life, don't out think the room. The obvious stuff, and it's very, most of life, you know, there's one or two things just do. Spend less than you make. treat others like you'd like to be treated. Be very wary of pushing back too much on authority.

Authority likes to fire people. So there's certain basic rules in society you kind of know. The rest we can argue about. If you get a Trevor Lawrence, you get a LeBron James, you get an Andrew Luck, just take it. Like it's over. Like just take it. You're protecting yourself. Because the owner in New York, he wants Trevor Lawrence.

And so they're going to take him, regardless of what Joe Douglas want. They're going to take Trevor Lawrence. And by the way, that would be one of the rare instances. As a GM or a coach, I'd be like, okay, you're probably doing me a favor, taking it off the table. He's just too good. Look, we've been talking about this kid for three years. Last year, one of ESPN's draft experts came out and said, oh, I struggled against LSU. And I went on the air and mocked that person.

He got mad at me. My take was, stop. That's a bad topic. Like, he's number one. He could literally rip his leg up. tomorrow and as long as he could rehab he'd still be number one. Like he's number one. Let's just, it's LeBron.

You get once a decade a sport not a team, a sport gets this. You take him. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. Staying with those jets. Not the prettiest game.

I got it was so bad. But interesting. Interesting. Can't argue interesting. Joe Flacco had some moments. What was that big throw late? You're like, what are you doing? Well, I didn't say they were all good moments. I like New England coming down the field with screens.

They're running these little short screens and they're all getting 15 yards. Well, Patriots won 3027, despite the Jets having a 10-point lead midway through the fourth quarter. Fell apart for the Jets, Patriots got a field goal. As you mentioned, Joe Flacco threw an inexplicable deep pass that was intercepted. and then Cam Newton led the Patriots on a scoring drive to tie it. Jets quickly went very strange three and out. And the Patriots went on to win a walkoff field goal. The Jets are currently 0 and 9 and hold the first pick in the 2021 draft.

You know, watching the end of that game, I felt good for Cam Newton. I don't think it matters to the Patriots really because the Patriots are not a good team. But it felt good for Cam Newton, especially after the way that the Bill's game ended. He's been struggling. but I also feel really bad for these Jets players. Like they're 0 and 9. That's a game that as players, we know the organization's tanking, right? But players and coaches don't tank.

The only time of the coach will be tanking is they're really not tanking. They're rebuilding. Yeah. And that's when they're in a very secure situation. And they want a quarterback. They want a quarterback. Yeah. The front office and the coach are on the same page.

We're going to trade off these players. You only do it in football for a quarterback. You don't do it for a quarterback. Pomeo Mac, you wouldn't do it for Randy Moss. You'd do it for a quarterback. No, but like, look at the dolphins last year, right? It's like tank for two. They were clearly rebuilding.

But it wasn't a complete tank. Like, they played hard. Brian Flores was building a culture. They clearly had, similar to what the Giants are doing this year, and they're not tanking. But they're in a rebuild. Like, you want to get better every week. You want to show signs of life and fight. That's not what the Jets are doing.

They're clearly tanking, but players don't tank. They don't. They do not tank. Adam Gase is not tanking. He's probably not going to be there next season. And what he's putting on tape right now is not good for his future. And neither is it for Jets players. So I feel bad.

I've been around a team that was almost so in 16 with the Dolphins. And that is a miserable existence. So I did feel bad for the Jets players because that felt like a game they could win, despite it being obviously a really hideous football game. but the tank is still alive. So Jets fans are happy and the front office is happy. It's a good loss. It's a good loss if you're a fan

or the front office. So Bruce Ariens showed early in the season, he's not afraid to publicly criticize Tom Brady. And he seems to be at it again after loss of the Saints. Within being the best receiver on this team, why isn't Byron making a more concerted effort of getting Mike involved in the passing game earlier? Mike was open.

a bunch in that ballgame. He just didn't, he didn't get targeted. That's all. He was open. Mike was open. He had six targets. I know, but it was, I felt this too. I felt like they were trying too hard to get it to AB.

Like, this is the downside of superstars. I felt like this is the OBJ thing. Like, you know, it's not that Landry doesn't get targets and stuff, but I felt like, okay, Antonio Brown's been there three days. Mike Evans has been there four years. Mike Evans should get 12 targets a game minimum. Yeah. Antonio Brown should be an absolute compliment to what they already have going on.

It didn't feel like that in the first three series. I mean, this whole game was weird. It five rushes all game and one was a kneel down. It was just absurd. It goes back to what we said yesterday. Take me somewhere. What are you trying to do with your football? You can tell in the first two series of the game, oh, this is what they saw in film.

Tell me after the first five series of Tampa what they were trying to do. it's just a bunch of weird low percentage throws. That's the opposite of Brady's skill set. Such a weird. It was a no game plan. It was on top of them getting blown out,

which you obviously never want to do. It was just a really bad loss. Like they needed to win that game. They're a wild card team now. That's what they are. Period. And so to not only lose that game and now be a wild card team,

you lost in that fashion. So you've lost twice of the Saints now. They have ultimate confidence if you meet again. It's just, it was just a really weird game plan. So as far as him criticizing Brady, sure, I guess you could say in a way he's criticizing Brady and more he's

criticizing Byron Lefich, but it just felt like a forced situation all around. It was not a well-rounded game plan to begin with. Carson Wentz has made it clear before the Eagles Week 9 by that he is going to continue to play aggressively and that his team is prepared to live with his high-risk

approach. He was asked about his mental approach when it comes to deciding whether or not to give up on the player, continue to make something out of nothing. It's a fine line that I'll be walking, you know, and probably never have solved fully my whole career. You know, I think that's just the nature of who I am and the player I am and how we play and how we do things around here. Well, there are three, four and one this season. He's 58.4 4 completion percentage, 1,833 yards, 12 passing touchdowns, and 12 interceptions. Not his best season so far. They have had a ton of injuries, but he himself has also has also had.

had a lot of injuries and talking about his kind of reckless style of play. He had a concussion this year. He is reckless. He and Darnold are reckless. Fractured back, ACL, LCL, Tare, chest and rib fracture, a hand and wrist fracture. Deshawn Watson's not reckless. He just runs around and gets hurt. Darnold and Wentz sometimes forget their quarterbacks.

They're like, I'm a linebacker. It's like, no. You don't have, like Kyler. You're the same size. I know. The other guy that's about to tackle you. It does not mean that you are the one who should be taking that hit. It's almost like, no, everybody likes a tough guy.

But if you're married to a tough guy, it's 42 years old, you're over bar fights. Like, it's great to have a man in an alpha, but like Carson Wentz and Darnold, don't run over people. That's your $4 billion franchise. I mean, there's a time, time in place for everything, right? Right. There's a time when you're on the goal line.

Yes. huge play in a huge game. Cam last night. Get in there. And you just boom. Bulldoze someone. But not. But a random like play in the second quarter of a regular season game. Just get down. Two weeks ago, Darnold against the Chief runs right down the middle of the field and gets

smoked. Sam. It's a blowout. Roll. Slide. Like, what are you doing? So it's whatever it is. Don't get it. Wendez does this. It's like you guys, these are four billion dollar franchises. They can't win without you. Learn to slide. I just, some things I think you just

can't get away from to his point. Like that's just his nature. I just, I don't think it's a sustainable style of life. Where do I? Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

You know, and some of this is Carson Wentz grew up in hunting territory. He's a man's man. He was in New Jersey. He was literally hunting by the interstate. Somebody found him like duck hunting. Sam Darnold was a linebacker in high school. It is their nature.

They're not these like, you know, they're not these like finesse quarterback. and, you know, Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson played baseball, which is sliding, nobody's getting tackled. So Wentz and Darnold, they're just physical dudes. They like to get smoked. I mean, that's great if I need you to go, you know, tackle that venison and, you know, but you know who doesn't like to get tackled?

Mahomes played baseball, Kyler played baseball, Russell Wilson play baseball. Baseball players don't like getting tackled. They get mad if you knock him out at second base too hard. So it's like the baseball quarterback thing, The mindset is I've been sliding my whole life to avoid getting hit. You get some of these guys like, Andrew Luck, I remember one time he said, I love getting the first big hit.

I'm like, nope, not the right answer. But it's great. Like I don't, you don't want a soft quarterback. You want somebody you can take a hit and get back up. But that's not how to put, that's not the position. Like, if you're getting hit, that's actually a bad thing. Take a hit and seek a hit are two different things. Yes.

Sam Darnold sometimes I'm like, Sam, this is not Oceanside High School. You're not playing linebacker. Get down. But I think also when you're a 6-4 guy and you weigh 230 pounds and you walk around America and you're much bigger than the average guy and you're lifting weights all day and your alpha, you just kind of forget in the moment, oh, they're all bigger than me. Well, sometimes they're not bigger, but just they're, the defense is meant to hit you. Right.

Like it's not the position that you play. By the way, why the NFL is an incredible shape going forward. And I was reminded of that and what they've really done that the NBA, used to do well, but I don't think does as well as they used to. And the NFL's taken over this category, and that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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I'm not joking. Not to show his age, but, you know, I'm old too. So, Wilts Chamberlain and Jerry West played. And then I fell in love with Dr. Jay. And then it was Bird and Magic. And it was Jordan. Then it was Shaq and Kobe. And there was the Reggie Millers and guys who aren't quite that good but are fascinating.

The Charles Barkley, Scotty Pippin. So the NBA has always lured me in, not necessarily for urgency. I mean, there's 82 regular season games. I can not watch most games and be okay. But it lured me in because of stars and style. Dr. Jay didn't play anything. like Michael. Bill Walton didn't play anything like Kareem. Wilt didn't play anything like Akeem. Shack was his own persona and style. So the NBA has always sucked me in because you have

all these kind of unique artists and these styles and these stars. Again, I don't watch it because of urgency. I would watch the NFL as a kid more and as I've grown up because the games matter more. There's few of them, right? But I think the NFL, and they may have just kind of lucked into this. I'm not saying they get a ton of credit for it. But it's really turned. And I was thinking this morning I wrote a list down, is that almost all these guys have a different style. It's very NBA.

There are 11 current quarterbacks in the NFL. They're not all the best. If they're on, I turn the channel and they're quarterbacking. They have the ball. I stop. Three of them are old guys, Big Ben, Breeze, and Brady. I turn the channel, they have the ball, I stop. Cub Lumber, middle-aged.

Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers. Totally different games. And then the young guys. Mahomes, Kyler, Lamar, Tua, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert. They have the ball. I'm not moving the channel. Sunday, I got two against Kyler.

I mean, that to me was like, you know, watching Goodfellas. It was like three and a half hours of joy. 11, and I like DeShon Watson, but he doesn't do that for me. Derek Carr, I like. He doesn't do it for me. There are 11 quarterbacks in the NFL right now.

If they have the ball and I'm turning the channel, I stop. That's powerful. That's what Wilt did to me. That's what Dr. J. Michael, Magic, Kobe, Shaq. James Hardin does not do that for me. And it's funny, LeBron still does. Iverson did.

Barkley did. But it's funny. The NFL has become. the NBA, they've stolen away. I can't think of 11 guys in the NBA have stopped the TV for. Now, some of it's urgency, right? The games don't matter as much.

But Kauai Leonard, is he playing tonight? Hardens game, drives me nuts. So does Westbrooks. I mean, the NBA put Janus. This is what the league did. They put Janus playoff game at noon. They're telling you that people aren't interesting. In fact, I found one of the most wildly entertaining teams,

Miami. Miami was fun. I don't even know who the guys are. It was like Jimmy Boller in a bunch of known. names. Guys were in college an hour ago. It was fun. It's just what the NFL, and what I think the NFL is doing, and I thought about this over the weekend, is what I did as a kid. It wasn't just that the NBA had stars, but they were different. Wilt was a flake. He was flaky. Dr. J. was acrobatic, and he didn't play like anybody. And Kobe and Michael looked a little alike, but Magic didn't play anything like

Barclay. And Barclay didn't play anything like Bird. And they were just all unique flakey. and styles, and Russell Wilson doesn't play anything like Aaron. Breeze doesn't play anything like Lamar. Like, there's 11 different NFL quarterbacks. I stop the television. That is power. That's why those guys are going to get shoe deals and big deal. If you can get me to stop.

Because I bounce around, all I do Sunday is just bounce around game to game to game to game. You know, it's fascinating. And it's like, Cam, I would put ahead of Deshawn Watson for me. because is it the fall of Cam? Is it the end of Cam? That's kind of fascinating. I almost put Cam on the list, and I thought, I just thought, no, you didn't quite have it.

I mean, last night was a very easy game to shut off for me if I wanted to. But it is, and I'm not saying the NFL gets a lot of credit for this. It may just be, quarterbacks are, you know, I said this earlier. NBA guys, high school, one year of college, pros. They come into the sport not ready to play unless you're like LeBron. the high school quarterback play, because all the seven-on-seven camps, is so good that the college quarterbacks go in the NFL. They're not only ready to play, they're ready to win.

So maybe it's cultural, and the NBA doesn't deserve to get criticized for. It's just the culture change, and the NFL doesn't deserve credit. But I'll tell you what, the NFL to me today feels like the Star League, and it never did my entire life. MDrive for Men.com, stay lean, eat right, supplement, take it every morning. One scoop every day as well. MDrive Start.com. Good shake. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,

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