The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/10/2020 - HOUR 3 - Playoffs

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

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And I always say, is your marriage good? If your marriage is good, go for it. If you're on the rocks, just buy a new home. It's too much construction. So he's got a good marriage. He's got a smile on his face going through a brutal two years. I want to start with this. You've been on good teams.

Jimmy Johnson said this. Sometimes you show up and you just get your arse kicked. And I look at Tampa and I'm like, nothing about that was. good. If you were a buccaneer the next morning, can you just get over it? Is that easier to get over than a close loss? I'm not, when you lose the way they lost, I don't think it's easy at all, considering the way opening weekend went for them against that same Saints team. And so it was like, oh, they won't play this bad again. There's no way the Saints can beat them this way again. And they beat them worse than they did the first game. And so for me, it would be tough to get over

this. But obviously we have to. It wasn't a competitive game. They could, they had no answer for the Saints. They couldn't do anything. And for me, until they start to beat really good teams, just going to always have that thought in the back of their mind, like, are we really as good as we think we are? Because if they get behind against another good team by double digits, that Saints game is going to be in the back of their mind. And a guy like Brady, maybe not because he has so much success. But the majority of that Bucks roster has been on that team, they're going to revert back to, oh, man, here we go

again, type of field. You know, it's interesting. Joy and eye on Antonio Brown are like, you know, we'll just play. We're not going to make any predictions on this. I did feel like that they were forcing it to him. And I felt like Mike Evans got, who I

think's the better player right now, the bigger, easier target, big catching radius, and then throw much to him. And this is what worries me, receivers want looks. It's a real thing. Like, right, you guys are the NBA players of the NFL. You break the huddle first.

You're the most athletic guy. Like, you can ignore an offensive guard. They always get ignored. But when Mike Evans doesn't get looks, I'm like, that ain't good. That ain't good. And this is what worries me. So go back to your career. You had the kind of personality with Ocho that you could, you understood it,

but you still wanted your looks too. and there were games that you felt forgotten. And I felt like, why are they forcing it to A-B? It's week one. Like, did you sense that at all? I don't think they were forcing it to A-B. They didn't have a lot of snaps in the first half. They were three-in-out, three-and-out, three-and-out.

So they didn't get a lot of, they didn't get to run a lot of plays. Now, with that being said, you don't want to have Mike Evans doubting where he stands. That's the biggest thing is, okay, yeah, I was okay with AB coming on a team, but I still need my looks. And so I believe what needs to happen moving forward is when you go over the first 15 plays of the game, we all know as receivers. We look at the script and we say, ah, okay, they're trying to get me the ball on play three. Oh, they're trying to get me the ball on play seven. As long as you have plays that you feel are designed for you, whether you get it or not, you feel okay about that. But they need to get first downs in order for that to come to fruition.

And they were so bad in anemic on offense, they had no chance. But yes, they need to make Mike Evans feel like we are trying to get you the ball. Whether it happens or not, make him feel that way. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. You know this a lot because you've been at these high school football camps. You've been, you kept telling us over and over, you're like, Colin, Justin Herbert's going to be unbelievable. you kept telling us you're like this kid is unbelievable

I watched Tua and I'm like that kid hadn't played in a year and a half when you watch all these young guys come in and they are good now are you shocked or have you been seeing this for five or six years at these camps they're just smarter kids I'm not shocked at all and we've talked about this before is these kids are seeing different coverages in high school in these seven on seven camps they're getting so many throws, so many different looks. Yeah, the speed of the game is different, but the looks are somewhat similar, albeit they're not disguising as much. So they have an idea of where to go with the

ball when they see certain covers. They seek a single high safety. We're going to work this side of the field. We see a too high safety. We're going to work this side of the field. And so that's what it is. These guys are getting so many throws before they get to college and seeing so many different looks that when they get to the league, they're ready to go. It's just more of the mental capacity and slowing yourself and calming yourself down. Once you do that, you see what these guys are doing now. And, you know, we talked about this. Joy and I talked about this.

Quarterback play, they're better. They're better earlier. I actually think the offensive coaching in the NFL is better than 10 years ago. And I watched Cam last night, and I'm like, he's not as dynamic a runner. You know, it's a efficiency league as a thrower. Is there a market for Cam Newton anymore in this league? it's it's going to be it's hard to look at what he's doing with new england and say cam is this or cam is that i thought he was very efficient last night he didn't throw a touchdown but if you look at new england's receivers and this is no disrespect to me of their receivers their starters would be a backup on probably every single team that's not new england yeah and that's not being disrespectful you look at julian edelman he had his best game of his career with cam newton is his quarterback not tom brady jacobby fired last night.

Best game of his career with Cam Newton as a quarterback. Cam needs a really, really good supporting cast. Cam needs a receiver that when they play man-to-man, I know I can go to him and he's going to get open. Julio Jones, Devonte Adams type of guys. He needs one of those guys. He needs a defense that's going to keep him in the game. Nobody is the same player when you're 8, 10 years into your career that you were when you first

started. But there's still a place for him because he showed last night. without weapons that other guys have, other teams have, I can still get the job done. Listen, Dallas, we were saying, the Cowboys are now, they remind me a little of the Lakers, huge brand. You have a singular family that owns them. And to change their trajectory, the Lakers made a seismic move. They fired magic.

They went and got LeBron, and they just said, we got to start this thing over. And Dallas keeps saying we want DAC. and my takeaway is, listen, man, Russell Wilson, since he got to a Super Bowl against New England, he hasn't won back-to-back road games. You got to build, you got to rebuild the offensive line, their best players aren't performing, DAC's coming off, you know, a major injury. Like, how do players look at Dallas? Like, when you look at New England, they're cold.

They're cold-hearted. When I look at Dallas, it's like, they're family. They're kind of into their fields. Like, how do players look at the Cowboys? How do you look at them as well-run, not well-run? I look at the Cowboys as a well-run organization, a team that I would venture to say 90% of the league would mind playing for it. There's a handful of teams out there that you would want to play for organizations. The Cowboys are one of them.

The Steelers are another. Those are just teams that you know you would assume are always going to be successful. The Cowboys, they have hit a rough patch. and expectations of the Cowboys have probably been hired than they should have been last year. They were supposed to be this good team. And they just weren't as good as people thought they were going to be. But because you look and everybody keeps talking about their O line, this and that, their O line hasn't been good.

They're always injured. They're not able to run the ball. And Dack has done well considering what he has worked with very good receivers. But up front, they haven't been that dominant offensive line in a few years now. They're going to have to rebuild that. If they do give Zach, DAC that extension, they're going to have to make a decision on Zique. I don't believe you can keep both of them at the price they're at

or at the price that Dak wants to come in at and what Zeeq is at and be successful. So I believe a decision will be made. If they sign that to an extension, I don't believe in Zika Elliott will continue to be on the team. Or the thing we threw out there is move Amari Cooper, because CD Lam's good, Michael Gallup's pretty good, go draft another receiver. Amari Cooper, but I can't pay

Zeke, Dak, and Amari Cooper. I can't have those three, I just can't do it in the NFL. Coupe or Ezekieli, one of those two guys, and you're right, one of those two guys, if you can move them, but do you see anybody wanting to take Amari Cooper's contract on? I don't know if that's, if

teams will be willing to take. He's a hell of a player. He's going to get open in one-on-one. He's a guy that every team would like to have on their team, but at that price, do they want them? You know, Bill Belichick can't draft a receiver to save his life. Amari Cooper?

I'll holl at me. I got you. Bill, you holl at me. I got you. Come talk to me before the draft. Bill, I got you. Good seeing you, buddy. Good luck with your house. Colin, I appreciate enjoying you. Take care. You guys keep the great work up. All right, thanks. He's been two years now. He's

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Well, lots of NBA news is about to start creeping in again. It feels like the season just ended. But the NBA draft is next Wednesday. I just saw this. Lamello Ball's going number one. Well, there is some growing consensus that he will be the number one overall pig, according to ESPN's Jonathan Givanoi. The majority of NBA front offices believe Lamello Ball will be selected first overall in the draft.

There's still some question as to whether the Timberwolves will make the pig or whether another team will trade up to get Lamello. The Bulls, Pistons, and Thunder have been named by NBA executives as teams that would be possibly interested in trading up to take him. According to Fox Bet, Lamello has the second best odds to go. Number one, Anthony Edwards has the best odds. He's from Georgia. Then James Wiseman at plus 700 from Memphis.

Denny Audvia at plus 3,000 and Obie Toppin from Dayton at plus 5.000. Anthony Edwards is an interesting player. I could see him going to the Warriors. The Georgia kid. I think Lamello is, Anthony Edwards and Lamello Ball are the two biggest names in this draft. This draft is kind of interesting because obviously we didn't have the same kind of buzz about the draft as we usually do.

And it's just kind of weird. Like the Warriors have a high pick, as you mentioned, and it's just a different year. But I really think if Lamello goes to the right place, he is going to, he already has a star factor to him. I think if he goes to the right place, he can develop and he has some players around him that can, some veteran players that can elevate him, he's, he's going to be very good wherever he lands. But you don't have, you don't, last year's draft had two guarantee hits. John Morant Zion, nobody disputed they can play.

There's a little more prospect here to this draft. Yes. A little more downside. Lamello's, I've seen a ton of his highlights on YouTube. He's fun. He's a fun player. He has a similar. kind of experiences as Luca did. Obviously, he didn't play in college, but he's been playing

for the past two years against professional players internationally. Much better shooter than Lonzo. He's got a nicer shot. Yes. So NBA Free Agency begins at 6 p.m. Eastern on Friday, November 20th. That's next week, two days after the NBA draft and the regular season is December 22nd with a 72 game season. So NBA seasons right around the corner. It's approaching. Cam Newton has looked like a much improved player over the last. two weeks, and after the win last night, he talked about what has changed. I'm getting tired of sucking. I was a competitor.

You know, what your standard is and, you know, taking pride in your work. That's what it comes down to. You're not being able to, you know, hold your head up because you're thinking too much. That's one thing. But at the same time, you're solely responsible for the performance that you put up. I just did my job today. And that's what it's supposed to be each and every week. I told you, I felt good for Cam last night.

Obviously, that was not the most beautiful game of football that we've ever seen played. And the stakes were much higher for the Jets than for the Patriots to lose that game. Even though players don't tank. People argued with me last night, the players don't tank. Well, no, the Jets players wanted to win, they thought they had it. Yes. It's incredibly disappointing and frustrating to be on a team that's losing every single week. And when you have an opportunity to win, you still lose.

But for Cam, he was 27 and 35, 200. 174 passing yards and two rushing touchdowns. He's run for 66 touchdowns in his career, which ties him for 40th in NFL history. Number one amongst quarterbacks. Second is Steve Young with 43 and Aaron Rogers with 28 at third. He's had eight rushing touchdowns in seven games this season. So he is improving.

It was a bit of an issue there. And then the next three games, they have the Ravens at the Texans and the Cardinals. It's come down to Buffalo in Miami, obviously, in this division. Yeah. But this is really, what's happening

with the Patriots this year is not that surprising. I didn't think the Patriots were going, I thought they were going to be the worst team in the division because I didn't think the Jets were going to be this guy. We both did.

We both. Yeah, I mean, I picked them for last in their division and the Jets, as usual, surprised me with their in aptitude. I mean, I just, I'm more rooting for Cam this season. Not that I'm rooting against the Patriots,

it's just that we knew what the Patriots were going to be this season. I'd still like to see Cam play well enough to get an opportunity next year. So the Cowboys are two, and seven putting them at the top of the draft order for 2021. Stephen Jones was asked about the potential of drafting quarterback with their first pick.

Dax's our quarterback and I mean, we're so fired up about him and, you know, him leading us in the future and we're focused week to week. Neither Dack Prescott or Andy Dahlner under contract for next season. So the Cowboys will have to decide whether to tag Dach Crescott again in 2021 at a cost of 37.6.8 million. or let him hit free agency. So it's kind of become a question of if they can actually afford Dak Prescott with the salary cap going down. Like it's not glib here. They cannot afford Dax, Zika, and Amari.

Why didn't they trade Amari at the trade deadline with all those good young receivers? Like Cedric Wilson, C.D. Lamb and Michael Gallup. You could go into a season, draft one more at some point. You can't have three guys that make that much money. quarterback running back wide receiver. You've got to save money somewhere. Well, I mean, you could sign Dak Prescott to a long-term contract.

Then I got to get, I still have to make up some of that salary because Zeeks's not the player he was. So I'm paying a massive number for a good running back. They got to scale back. They got too many guys making way too much money. Well, they would currently have the third

pick in the draft. I trade down and get two picks. Jets, Jags, Cowboys, Giants. Obviously, that could change us. If you were going to go with Zach, if you're going to go with Dak, here's what I would do, Dallas. I'd find somebody and say, give me two twos. You can have my one because I don't have to pay twos. And by the way, a second round player is a starter in the NFL immediately.

And then you signed Dak to a long term or you'd franchise them again. They don't need first round picks. They need players. They're becoming what the Rams got last year. Like seven guys make a fortune. You have no depth anywhere. The Rams went to the Super Bowl and then the Rams were like still decent team. and now they're still a competitive team.

Tyron Smith left tackle making a fortune. Never available. It's just got four major contracts potentially on offense. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Jim Gray is here chatting about his new book, Talking to Goats.

Michael Jordan, Ali. Tom Brady, that's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement

to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream,

this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, Follow at Clifford and a TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown

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If you're watching the latest season of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, you already know there's a lot to break down. Gorsha accusing Kelly of sleeping with the merry men. They holding Kay Michelle back from fighting Drew. Pinky has financial issues. I like the bougie style of Housewives' show. I think it looks like it's going to be interesting. On the podcast, Reality with the King,

I, Carlos King, recap the biggest moments from your favorite. reality shows, including the Real Housewives franchise, the drama, the alliances, and the T, everybody's talking about. As an executive producer in reality television, I'm not just watching it. I understand the game. As somebody who creates shows, I'll even say this. At the end of the day, when people are at home, they want entertainment. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. He's a multiple Emmy winning sports reporter. His name is Jim Gray, and you've seen him at the biggest boxing matches at the biggest sporting events for many of our lives.

He's got a new book. I can't read to read it. It's called Talking to Goats. The stories, it's not about zoo animals. It's about the greatest athletes of all time. Jim's first interview, he was 18 years old, was Muhammad Ali, who was the biggest star in the world. He is now joining us live, and we appreciate that. All right. How'd you get Muhammad Ali at 18 years old? What's the secret sauce to that, Jimbo?

Hey, Colin, thanks for having me. Well, I was a sports intern for the ABC station in Denver, KBTV, and my internship expired, and they were converting from film to videotape. So all the union guys took the buyout. And so a bunch of people who didn't really have any idea what they were doing became videotape editors. I was in my edit room one morning very early, getting ready for the draft, a Red Miller show. He was the Broncos coach, lady named Sue Tuz, the assignment editor, came running in. She said, I'm at Ali's two and a half hours early at the airport, run out and get him. Well, Ali was getting ready to fight Spinks, and then he was going to fight a Denver Bronco named Wild Al Zado.

I'd never done an interview before. So I went into the weatherman's office, tried to find a coat and tie, couldn't find anything. Went out to state with an international airport. Did the interview with Ali after the first question. He said, you're the one that's doing this interview? And everybody started to laugh. Well, Colin, that just made me. feel so much more comfortable because I had gone from nervous about interviewing the most,

the most visible and famous person on the planet to now they were laughing. But they weren't laughing at me. They were, you know, laughing to make me comfortable, the whole entourage. And so after the third or fourth question, he said, you sound like the local Howard Cosell. Colin, that was the greatest compliment I had ever had in my life. And it gave me so much confidence. I took the interview back to the station. The news director was a man named Roger. Roger Ogden for ABC there. He looked at the tape, and he was with me for about 45 minutes, and he looked at it again, and he said, huh, we're going to put you in this tape on the air.

It's barely adequate. So I tell everybody I've been barely adequate ever since. The only athlete that rivals him in terms of flair and greatness, Muhammad Ali, is Michael Jordan. They're both like great-looking, stylish, thoughtful, smart. What was it like to interview Jordan? He was always impeccable. I mean, I never once saw Michael have a bad public moment. He always was great.

He'd pat every youngster on the head. You know, when he'd walk out of the building, you know, back when there was proximity, he'd sign autographs. He was nice to the security people. So interviewing him, Michael, Michael was just, you know, easy. He was easy to talk to. He was easy to be around. I know his teammates in the last dance have a different portrayal.

But in terms of how he was with me and with the media, he was great. And he was just terrific in all those years that we had him on NBC. And, you know, in the pregame meetings where he would come in and Marv or Ahmad would interview him. He was just a perfect, perfect gentleman. And then a few times that I got to be with him outside of the court in Barcelona. when we played golf on a few occasions. And he was just great. There was nothing intimidating off the court about Michael Jordan.

What about here's somebody that's interesting. Mike Tyson, you interviewed him after the bizarre earbiting Evander experience. Now that had to be odd, right? That was quite odd. And that was one that was one that I knew when it was going to happen after he bit the year that nothing like this would ever happen again. And, you know, he left the ring.

and didn't talk in the ring and we went back underneath. I was working with Showtime where I still do the boxing. And David Dinkins, who is the producer, was in my ear. And he said, see if you can get Don to get him to come out. So Don King brought him out. And Colin, it's the only time that I have ever seen actually somebody who is alive and I could see their skull. That's how deep.

That's how deep over his eye the headbutt was and the wound that had opened. You could see the orbital bone in his skull. And that's why he felt he had to bite Evander Holyfield. That was the reasoning he had that he had to retaliate. So we did the interview and I took it in chronological order and asked him what had gone on. And finally, well, was that the proper response to bite his ear? And he answered the question. And I've always had tremendous respect and admiration for Mike Tyson because at his worst moments,

and he's had some bad, despicable moments. At his worst moments, Colin, he always had the wherewithal to stand there and answer the questions. He didn't hide behind some PR person. He didn't come out with a statement four days later. He stood there and he took his medicine and he gave you a response. And that's very, very rare. Were you surprised the pushback? I certainly was the LeBron decision interview created.

I still can't figure out why the nation imploded. I thought LeBron looked nervous and thoughtful. Were you shocked by kind of the national response and the anger at LeBron? Yes, I was. And like Rich Paul has said to me and Maverick Carter, none of us had a crystal ball. None of us could foresee what went on there. And could we have been more sensitive to the fans in Cleveland? Absolutely.

And could we have explained better that we were giving away millions upon millions of dollars, the biggest donation ever in the history of the Boys and Girls Club? Yes, we could have. So yes, we could have done better. but to make LeBron into a villain, it was wrong then, and it should have never occurred. And if you look at that show now and what the decision has become, that was the moment. It was the Kurt Flood moment for this generation of player empowerment and of the birth, really, of communicating through social media and the rise of the Players Tribune and just how things go now,

the reverberations of that show and the passage of time, the NBA players and all, of sports, every player in sports owes a tremendous debt of gratitude to LeBron James. Talking to goats. Now, we know you've done Tiger and we know you've done Brady, and I'm going to save those for people to buy the book because I want an autograph copy as well. But I got to ask you this. I remember interviewing Charles Barkley when I was a local reporter, and I knew he was going to be a star. He was so funny. He made fun of my shoes. He made fun of me. You just knew. You're like, that guy's going to be hysterical on TV. Is there anybody that's not a that you interviewed and you just loved.

You just went home and you know that that's that that maybe we wouldn't talk about or maybe a lower star or somebody perhaps you haven't interviewed you want to. Well, you know, Charles was great. And I say in the book that Charles was the most entertaining, most fun guy to be around. And we used to go up and down the rambles at night in Barcelona at the Olympics and then hung out with him a tremendous amount. And type, he, uh, uh, Mike, Tyson threatened to kill me on the air, and 45 seconds later, he kissed me on the cheek,

and I'm still trying to figure out look more disturbing. Charles Barkley kissed me on my cheek twice on national television, and for no apparent reason, at least Mike was trying to make up for threatening to kill me. Charles did it, and I still don't know why he did it. But to answer your question, I mean, there's a lot of guys who I've walked away, and I thought, you know, that's what a pleasant, really great guy. And, you know, they're superstars, too. I mean, Brady is as nice a guy and as cordial as anybody you'd ever want to meet,

Wayne Gretzky, Julius Irving, Joe Namath. I don't know anybody who's more comfortable who's been a bigger superstar who forced a merger of a league and brought the AFL to the Super Bowl that we now see that Joe Namath. And a guy who was really understated, but who had just an incredible heart and really didn't seek the limelight or anything. I love spending time around marvelous Marvin Hagler. He was really special, Colin. Oh, yeah.

You know, my first job, not want to waste time here. My first job at a college was covering boxing. So instead of going to your usual first job in Midland, Texas, I got to cover Hagler Sugar Ray Leonard, and I've always thought of it as the great career break. Now, I made about $8 an hour, and I lived on Peanut Brittle. But both of us started basically for free. The book is called Talking to Goats.

Buy it. I want a copy. This is just great. Jim, absolute pleasure. The Emmy winning. sports reporter, sportscaster of the year in America in 1997. Great seeing you. And thanks for stopping by our show.

Colin, thanks for having me. Love your show. Appreciate it. All right. You bet. Yeah, I felt like his first interview was Muhammad Ali. And for a lot of you listening to me that may be 20 or 30, Michael Jordan and Muhammad Ali, Muhammad's the only athlete of my life that I think is bigger

than Jordan. Remember, we didn't have cable television. Yeah, that's for sure. Muhammad Ali was the most known human being. I think he's the most famous athlete of all time. If you took Muhammad Ali today with his ability to talk, and by the way, he poked back at the media. He took political stance. He would be like LeBron, but funnier.

He was funny. He was generally funny. He was like a comedian, his timing. But also, I mean, you have to think when we have social media now, the access that you have to athletes is completely different. like as famous as he was in a time where everybody didn't have a TV and like there was just there was just nothing like it newspapers ABC NBC CBS that's it yeah that Fox didn't it we didn't have a network I think he's the most famous athlete of all time I think Jordan second yeah rec tech grills rec tech with a queue dot com built by grillers four grillers check them out

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