The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/11/2020 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: November 11, 2020

-Tom Brady is trying too hard to make the Antonio Brown signing work-Colin defends Isiah Thomas after saying Michael Jordan was his 5th toughest opponent-The Quarter-Bank, what the top NFL QBs should be paid-The greatest "no" in sports history-Colin's Mid-Season NFL AwardsGuest: Peter King, NBC Sports Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The freedoms we have, the liberties we have, were fought for men and women around this country, often now serving outside of the country, outside of our borders. We salute you at Fox. Happy Veterans Day to all of those part of that military community. Saw it Sunday on Fox. It's a big deal here around these parts, and we appreciate you stopping by. My dad served. Joy Taylor is joining me.

She serves great herd lines all day. How are you? Yes, happy Veterans Day. Shout out to my sister in the Air Force, Grace, my cousin Sam and the Army. I was talking to both of them this morning. I come from a big military family. You are. Both my grandfathers.

My grandfather, Clarence, was a command sergeant major. 30 years. My uncle C.T. Most of my uncles, my father. Yeah, big military family. So thank you to all the veterans. Yeah, I get emotional. And by the way, the people I used to work for on Monday Night Football had a wonderful,

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So let's start with this. Sometimes the personality you have as an outsider that gets you the job does know his work as an insider. Similarly, sometimes your greatest strength, which drives you to success. And once you have the sense, it's. success, you may not need it as much. So we would all acknowledge that Tom Brady's will. He's not the most talented thrower of the football. He's not the best athlete of the football.

He's the most willful player I've ever seen in football. He's still whining about being drafted in the sixth round. I mean, he didn't have a Super Bowl trophy. He's got a Super Bowl room with multiple trophies. And I've seen him cry on television in the last three years talking about it. He's the most willful person I've ever. He was willful in high school. His dad tells you.

He was willful in college at Michigan. He's willful at New England. And he's got all those trophies. But when Tom was being willful, the great thing is Tom was controlling Tom. Nobody controls Antonio Brown. And is that willfulness, Tom wants to prove everybody wrong in New England.

He did. And then he goes to Tampa. Nobody. Nobody wants A-B. Is Tom doing it again? I'm going to prove all you wrong with Antonio. Tony O'Brown. The difference is Tom's willfulness was always led by Tom about Tom. Tom now is trying to take a highly dysfunctional player that didn't work in well-run Pittsburgh

or brilliantly run New England and trying to make him be Tom-like. And I don't know if it's possible. Ryan Shazir, who was a great linebacker for years. You know the story with the Steelers, was on the Ringer podcast. He used to be a teammate of AB. And he said it's like dealing with a child as a teammate of AB. I wish the best for AB. But at the time, like, whoever's going to help the team, like, I wanted them here. You know, like, you don't want to be here, man. Best of luck in your endeavors, you know.

And a few weeks later, I got blocked on Twitter and blocked on Instagram. I'm like, bro, like, I didn't even say I wished you good luck. And I was like, I'm not showing like no beef or like, I'm not throwing no shade on you. But like, bro, if you just, if you want friends that's going to tell you what you want to That's not me. I mean, that's how a teenager would act. You didn't say stuff nice about me. I'm not following you on Twitter and Instagram.

Again, I think the secret sauce to Tom Brady, he's pretty athletic. He's got a nice arm, but it's always been willfulness. Tom wants to prove people wrong. But I wonder now if Tom's trying to still do it on Antonio Brown and wide receiver, I'm sorry, it's not a need for Tampa Bay. Just think about this. Antonio Brown left the Steel. How are they today?

Fine. Eight and no. He left the Raiders. Oh, big problem. Raiders are actually doing great. He arrived in Tampa Sunday. Did you watch? That's the worst game of Tom's career.

He's moved in with him. He's got Tony Robbins now giving him pep talks. Tom always controlled Tom. That's when willfulness is great. Tom can't control Antonio Brown. And Shazir went on to say, I don't think the minute it becomes about AB, that will not be a Super Bowl team. And I worry about sometimes your greatest strength becomes a liability. Sometimes as an outsider, that personality doesn't work as an insider. And you can be willful,

but that doesn't mean you can change dysfunctional people. And I don't think there's anybody needier in the NFL currently than A.B. Antonio Brown. So this is interesting. You know, the LeBron Michael Jordan debate, you can criticize LeBron and it's okay. But boy, if you criticize Michael Jordan, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So it just makes headlines. And they're the two best basketball players I've ever seen. That doesn't mean they're the best at everything, but they're the two best basketball players I've ever seen. Magic Johnson's third.

Magic just isn't as good in his prime as a defender as Michael Jordan who was great or LeBron who was great. We even saw LeBron in this finals be a great defender. So Magic was never as good on the defense event, which, which is a defender. is only about 20 or 30% of basketball. It's mostly a, you know, NBA is nobody stopped Kobe, nobody stopped Michael, nobody stops LeBron. There's no such thing as a Michael stopper, LeBron stopper, a Kobe stopper, a Kareem stopper. By the way, Bill Russell didn't stop Wilk Chamberlain either.

I mean, he was the best defensive player. It's an offensive league. That's 70, 75 or 80% of the game. But if you criticize Michael, watch out. And so a club Shayshay, it's very popular. Shannon Sharp's got a club. Tuxedos are required. Club Shet Shay.

They had Isaiah Thomas on talking about the best players he ever faced when he played. Who would you say are the five toughest players that you've had to face? Again, you know, and you can just go back to winning records, right? You know, magic, Kareem. Okay. Bird. Bird. Dr. J.

And then I would say Jordan. Oh. Oh, Michael's not number one. Let me defend Isaiah Thomas on this. Now, there's a reason at a boxing match, you'll have three judges, and as Joy knows, they sit on different sides of the ring. Because you can see things differently from your view. If you're on this side of the ring, you may see a lot of the fighters up closely. The other side of the ring, you see a different fight.

We've all watched fights, and one or two of the judges have a scorecard, and you're like, what fight did he watch? But we're watching on television with replays. He's down low. He could be on the wrong side. of the ring and not have the same view of the fight. That's why they have three judges, and they don't just have one, because fighters move around,

they move toward their corners. And so from Isaiah Thomas's eyes, what is Michael Jordan? Well, let's just ask ourselves about basketball qualities that we admire, broadly. Is Michael Jordan the greatest winner of all time? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not.

Bill Russell won 11 titles. Michael won six. Okay, okay, he's the best score of all time. Oh, no, no, no, no. That's Kareem, who was not only the best scorer, but had the greatest single shot, the skyhook. Okay, well, Michael does more things well than everybody. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Even LeBron critics would acknowledge he's a better ball handler. He's a better rebounder. He's a better passer than Michael. LeBron does more things well. Well, then, then Michael elevates people more than anybody. Oh, God, no. Magic Johnson, everybody was great with magic. That's why Magic went to 30% more finals than Michael Jordan.

Well, he's the ultimate Iron Man. He's like Cal Ripkin. He never missed a... He quit twice. He was a great basketball player, perhaps the greatest ever. But in Isaiah Thomas's eyes, when Isaiah Thomas faced Michael Jordan in his prime with his pistons, Michael couldn't beat him. Michael couldn't beat him.

by the way, he couldn't beat the Celtics either. And I've always said, there's two facts about Michael. It's almost sacrilegious to bring these up, but they're both facts. When James Worthy and Michael were teammates at North Carolina, they won a championship. When James Worthy left for the pros,

Michael stuck around. The following year, Michael's college basketball team with Dean Smith, it wasn't the best in. State. North Carolina State won the title. He didn't even have the best college basketball team in state, Michael. And then he went to the NBA, and do you know how many playoff series he won without Pippin? For our radio audience, the answer is a bagel. Those are facts. Michael won a title when he had Dean Smith and Phil. He didn't win with a lot of coaches. He didn't win with a lot of

players. When he had a Hall of Fame number two and a Hall of Fame coach he won. The following year, he went eight years without winning. He had a bunch of good players. I had a bunch of quality coaches who won games. These are facts. And the fact is, Michael's not the greatest score ever. He didn't have the best shot ever. When he left, the Bulls were still very good.

57 wins to 55. When LeBron leaves teams, they disintegrate. But one thing that Jordan had, and to a higher level than anybody of my life, Michael was not only great, he was the best looking, he was the most glamorous, and he had the greatest shoe campaign, which still resonates today. We moved off Joe Montana. Remember, Joe Montana was four Super Bowls.

He was four for four. Jordan's six for six. That's always the argument. But we moved off Joe Montana in a heartbeat when Brady won his fifth. In a heartbeat. Why? Because Joe Montana, like Jordan, was good-looking and glamorous. They had both good-looking dudes.

They're both glamorous guys. But Montana didn't have the Nike bulletproof shield, which deflects that likeability. I always said that about Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was the most liked president ever. It wasn't the best necessarily, but he was so charming and likable. Even his rivals liked him. His rivals wouldn't take shots at him. Any criticism, he once joked about bombing Russia.

We all were like, oh, it's just Reagan. It's so funny. nobody else could get along. JFK couldn't have done that. Clinton couldn't have done that. Bushes couldn't have done that. Is that we moved off Joe Montana in a heartbeat.

Four for four, perfect in the Super Bowl, three MVP's, the minute Brady got his fifth, even though Brady lost a couple. Because Montana didn't have the shield protecting him. I think Michael and LeBron, are the two best basketball players ever, argue what you want. But I can go five and six and seven categories.

It's not the greatest score. He's not the greatest winner. He didn't elevate teammates like magic. He's not an Iron Man like LeBron. He didn't do more things well than everybody. He's just a great basketball player that when he got a Robin and when he got Phil Jackson, he was hard to beat. But I'll argue this.

He never beat a great dynasty in the finals. He beat the Pistons and the Celtics when they got old and the Lakers in the West when they got old. You can say that. It's okay. In Isaiah's worldview, when he was in his prime and the pistons were in their prime, Michael was just a super athletic guy that scored a bunch of points but didn't make anybody around him better. That's what he was. That's what he saw.

It's like the boxing judge watches the fight from one angle, you watch it from another. That guy's crazy. No, he has a different view of it. In Isaiah's view, and I know it's petty, but Michael's just as petty. LeBron can be petty. Magic can be petty. They're all petty. In his view, you can make an argument.

Jordan was just maybe the greatest score. But maybe not the greatest player. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

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Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Open your free, Our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Another article bashing Carson Wentz, the athletic. shame, shame. They're saying, oh, he's just no good anymore. I mean, if you really deep dive on this stuff, he's no good. So I think he's very good. I think he's a winner in their last 12 games, their favor this week, by the way, in his 13th. In his last 12 games, he's won or tied eight of 12, and that is with utter physical chaos around him on the O line, wide receiver, running back. I'm sorry, he's not Patrick Mahomes, but Mahomes also has a better offensive line.

a more brilliant head coach, better weapons, a better defense, better special teams. You know, so I'm sorry, he's not that. But I thought to myself, part of this is I like DAC. I don't like him for $37.5 million. If you paid him $22, I'd love DAC. I like, and you like Jared Goff the Super Bowl year. Then they paid him a lot of money, and everybody's like, oh, gosh, terrible. That money is part of this, right?

Like, what do you pay people? And it changes our perception. of okay, he's good, but he should not be making $35 million. So I want to introduce something called our quarter bank. I am the CEO of the quarter bank. I looked very bankish right there. Now, the bank, the bar set by the NFL is Patrick Mahomes at $45 million. He will eventually make that.

So as a banker, that's more than I would like to pay, but that has been set. That interest rate, that's been. set by the feds. So 45 million is the bar. So let's work our way off this. And I think by the end of it, you'll like Carson Wentzmore. So if Mahomes gets 45, I would pay Russell Wilson then as a banker, 40. He does not have the arm of Mahomes or the natural historic quarterback gifts.

But he's a hell of a winner. And at the line of scrimmage, he may be the best ever. Then I would pay $35 million to Aaron Rogers. been hurt more than Mahomes and Russell. I don't think he has their leadership skills, has shown an inability to come from behind, like Mahomes, who's a wizard at it, and so is Russell. Then I would pay three old veteran guys 30,

not because they're the best, but they have proven to win divisions multiple times. They have innate leadership skills that have carried teams. They have multiple rings or at least one Super Bowl ring. I may not pay that for a long time, but at the quarter bank, I would pay them right now $30 million because of the need of their teams. Without them, their teams are not Super Bowl teams.

And then I would pay four, five young quarterbacks, $25 million. They're exceptional. But they don't have rings. They have holes in their game. Lamar, Kyler Marie Deshawn, Carson, Wenson, Gough. Lamar, not a brilliant passer. Kyler Murray's never won a division. Let's win a few more games before we make him, you know, 30, 35, 4.

Deshawn Watson can be really, really inconsistent. Carson Wentz gets hurt a lot, and there are games. He looks awful. And then Jared Goff, who got to his Super Bowl, throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL, more athletic than people give him credit for. He's Matt Ryan with more athletic talent and a better thrower with the football. So once you put in the quarter,

When you put Carson in that category, it's like, oh, that makes a lot of sense. He wins his division. He's dealt with other chaos. Even his rookie year, he won games. He wins games. He won seven his rookie year. When you, though, elevate him to the 35 million category, the Rogers, close to Russell, Brady. Yes, it feels outrageous.

Just like DAC feels outrageous if you franchise tag him at 37 and a half. but if you paid quarterbacks in the tier and remember what you make for a living folks a lot of times is scarcity of jobs is leverage is timing let's face it you go into a pandemic you're not going to get a raise the stock market's up you may get a raise Carson Wentz at the time pre-pandemic that's what they paid him and he was argue it or not there wasn't a lot of people out there Philadelphia knows you can't win without a quarterback. But I think if you look at the tiers and you look at Wintz in that $25 million a year category, you'd have no problem with him. He wins his division.

He's a winner. He's a unique armed talent. He's tough. He's got some leadership. Moxie. He's just right now paid at a level that skews our perception. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

No. is a very powerful word. And the two greatest knows in the history of sports are Steve Kerr saying no to the Knicks. He went to the Warriors and created a dynasty. He said no, they offered no. The second greatest no is Bill Belichick being offered the Jets job and saying no.

Everybody thought he had it and going to the Patriots. And Belichick talked on WEEI Radio in Boston yesterday. It's the greatest achievement of his career saying no. One of the not only most defining, but moments of my career. And they're giving me an opportunity to come here. I mean, I couldn't have asked for anything more. So that wasn't a good situation for me, and I didn't want to be part of it. So I wasn't.

Two greatest nos ever, Belichick, Steve Kurt. Runner-ups, Coach Kay said no to the Lakers after they traded Shack, probably a smart move. Urban Meyer chose Florida over Notre Dame. I think that was a smart move. Those are runner-ups in the no category. but it does go to show how valuable ownership is. No one man, no one woman can overcome utter chaos or dysfunction. Pat Riley's won everywhere.

The only place he hasn't won titles is New York with a Knicks. He only got to one finals, as great as he is. It's just too much dysfunction with the Knicks historically, especially in the last 30 years, three decades, right? So if I had, you know, John Wooden, the basketball coach at UCLA, the pyramid of success in sports and in the NFL specifically, Specifically, the pyramid of success would look like this. The foundation and the most important part of it is ownership.

And we don't think about that. I've always said, owner, GM coach quarterback. Ownership's the most important. Getting a quarterback is number two. Coach is third. Belichick's won 43% of his games without Brady. And a GM, though valuable, the Patriots had a 20-year dynasty and didn't really have an all-powerful general manager.

I mean, Pete Carroll, Russell, Wilson winning games. Nothing against John Snyder. But, I mean, the draft is, let's be honest with you. It's a little bit of a crap shoot. I mean, the best drafters of all time hit on like 60% of their players. So, and that to me, that's kind of what it looks like. And if you think I'm wrong on that, think about this. Here's the teams that currently lead their division in the NFL.

Philadelphia, good owner. Kansas City, good owner. Pittsburgh, good owner. Buffalo, new but good owners. New Orleans, the Benson family, above average owners. Seattle, Green Bay, not an owner. Community owns it. Seattle, Paul Allen was terrific, wealthy, non-meddling.

He's passed it on to his sister. We don't know. But again, Pete and John run it, so you've got good, excellent stewardship. And then there's Tennessee, which I would not call great ownership, mostly because I wasn't a huge fan of Butt Adams. His daughter took it over. I'll let it play out. But what's interesting, last place teams in the NFL right now, Jets, Jags, Bengals, Detroit are four of them. Those are not well-owned.

So some of those teams have quarterbacks and coaches. The pyramid and the success in the NFL, owners, the most important thing. It is really hard. Whether you're an employee in our business or in any business, you just can't overcome dysfunction. It doesn't matter how talented you are. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd.

Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Peter King is now joining his football morning in America, NBCSports.com. So I told Joy this. I watched Tua and Kyler Murray. Best football game I've watched this year, college or pro, could not take my... eyes off it. And you had an interesting take on it that we may never see them again.

And you think they should play more often. It's insane that Kyler Murray and Tuatonga are not scheduled to play until the next United States presidential campaign in the fall of 24. I've long been critical of the NFL's schedule, particularly how the NFL basically ignores great AFC versus NFC matchups and, you know, allows them to be played only once every four years. So to me, what the NFL needs to do is to take that 17th game that they're going to start playing next year and use it. Put it in the hands of how Howard Katz, the Schedule Meister, and the people at the top of the NFL, and say to those people and to the television networks, we are going to give you six or eight games every year that are

going to be just prizes that are going to get great ratings and are going to be great for the fans. Tua and Kyler playing once every four years, that's, I don't want to say it's a sin. It's awful. Yeah, no, it was so much fun. You know, I was saying this yesterday is that when Brady left New England, there were signs he sold his house in August, but I think 75, 80% of sports fans myself included, thought he would just stick it out,

ride it out, two years, blah, blah, blah, he left. And I said to myself, in one year, exit strategies, it's a science, it's a skill to be able to exit at the right time, right? In one year, Belichick will have to face Sean McDermott,

Josh Allen, maybe a great young offensive coach and Trevor Lawrence and Tua and Brian Flores and he doesn't have a quarterback and I don't think they're getting one of the better ones in the draft and I said to myself, you can't win in this league without a quarterback. Belichick's winning percentage is 43%.

Pete Carroll fired twice before they got a quarterback. Go to the Jaguars, get Justin Fields, they'll let you run the whole thing, go to the chargers who can't sell tickets and get Justin Herbert. And I don't think it's crazy that we just saw Brady leave and we're all shocked. Bill Belichick, Chargers, Jags, I know this.

I saw Coughlin go. I saw Parcells go. Get to warm weather. No more Nantucket. No more Boston winners. Is it crazy to think Bill would be like, listen, I'm going to make a move. I want a quarterback and I don't know how to get one. Is it crazy?

I mean, look, it's not impossible. If Bill Belichick wants to go and is strident enough about it with Robert Kraft, I could see it happening, but I have no idea what's going on in Bill Belichick's head. I've not heard one indication that he's interested in leaving. And that is, look, remember, Colin, Tom Brady would not have left Foxborough if it were up to Robert Kraft. Okay? Robert Kraft did not want Tom Brady to go. And even though I think he probably has some tussles with Bill Belichick occasionally,

he doesn't want Bill Belichick to go either. So in my opinion, I think this is, it's an interesting talk show topic, but I don't know if there are many seeds of truth to it or even seeds of possibility to it. You know, we always call it overreaction Monday. Are we overreacting to A, B, joining the B, joining the B, and Tom having his worst game ever. Do we take anything out of it other than, hey, it happens, it's a bad Sunday? Or should we go, okay, biggest game of the year, first five possessions. three and out. They looked like they were forcing the ball downfield. Is there something there or not?

The protection of Tom Brady was the worst by far by the Tampa Bay offensive line the entire year. And Drew Breeze and, I mean, Drew Breeze completed passes to 11 different receivers in the first 20 minutes. You know, they, Tampa Bay could not figure out the New Orleans passing attack. And so I think it's easy to say, yeah, Brady's done. We had a nice run while it went. But this is Tom Brady was besieged play after play after play from what I saw on Sunday.

So I'm I am now on an island by myself defending Carson Wentz. Last 12 games, he's won or tied eight with chaotic injuries. I am told you think now you are no longer defending Carson Wentz who plays Sunday against. against the improved giants? You know, it's not like I would trade them or I would bench him. You know, first of all, you can't trade him. The trading deadline's over. You got to keep playing them and see if he will come out of this.

But, Colin, facts are facts. I mean, somehow, some way, this is a guy who's a 64% career passer coming into this year, who's now at 58. He's turning the ball over at a James-like frequency. He's got 16 turnovers in eight games. games. He's just, he's not the Carson Wentz that he was in the magic year of 2017 or when he's been very good since. He looks uncertain. He looks very unsure of himself when I watch him. And he's got to play himself out of this. But I mean, I can't sit here and say, yep, absolutely. Carson Wentz,

a top 10 quarterback. I mean, this is not two or three games we're talking about. You know, Josh Allen played four lousy games in weeks five through eight or whatever it was. And he played four great games early and then another great game on Sunday. So I only say that because I'm not saying this is forever, but the majority of time Carson Wentz this year has played lousy. So you and I were talking during the break is that I honestly feel like in my lifetime, and I started saying this about two years ago, I've never seen more great quarterback play early. I don't know if there's, I mean, there's almost no teams.

Even the Jets, Darnold, I think, has talent. Gardner Minch who has won games. It's go back to the years you've been covering this. I don't even think it's, was there an era where quarterback play was close to this good? Well, you know, when you first asked the question, you start, to think of kind of the late 80s as Elway and Marino are in their primes and you got Montana. And so maybe you got three top 10 quarterbacks of all time playing simultaneously. And so that was a great era, but I don't think there's any way it was as deep as it is today.

I think this is the deepest I've seen the quarterback position in my years covering football for a very simple reason. When you look at it, you look at a top. currently, currently, where even the bad teams, I mean, most of the bad teams, you know, have a good shot at having their future quarterback. Look, the New York Jets could decide. I wouldn't be shocked if they decide at the end of this year, we're going to trade, whoever gives us three ones for our pick, we'll take it because we love Sam Darnold. And a lot of people would say, oh my God, that's idiotic. I'm not sure it's idiotic. Sam Darnold is good. He's got a horrible

supporting cast. What makes you think it's going to be automatically better as soon as as Trevor Lawrence walks in the door? So I agree. I think the depth of good quarterbacking is solid. It's funny. I was telling Chris Spielman an hour ago, the Giants of the greatest two and seven team in the history of the league. I've watched them five times live. They won two of them and should have won the other three. And I sat there and I thought, I didn't know anything about Joe Judge, and I had my doubts about Daniel Jones and Dave Gettelman. One year ago, six months ago, I'm like, yeah, I don't know

a judge, I don't love Daniel Jones and Gettlement. Now I look and I think Gettlement had a good draft. Daniel Jones cut out one turnover a game, and Joe Judge is the Brian Flores of last year. They are better every Sunday. I got to tell you something. I look at the New York Giants today, and I'm like, is it nuts?

They could win this division. That's the best defense I've seen in that division. They could. I think it sounds crazy. They could win the division, Colin. I'll tell you what will make the difference, I think, is going to be Carson Wentz versus Daniel Jones. I really do. I think that is going to tell the tale. Now, the Giants have some catching up to do, and they're a terribly inconsistent offense. And they had one good day on Sunday. But just remember, we're only whatever 10 days away, 10 days removed from Daniel Jones handing Bruce Ariens a victory on Monday night football. And so look, this was the first time this past Sunday that Daniel Jones played a football game

out of, I think, 21 in his career that he didn't either fumble or throw an interception. So let's give him some time. You know, Dave Gettleman is 11 and 30 as a general manager. And I realize some of that's unfair. But life is unfair sometimes, too. 11 and 30 is not going to cut it. They got to play well down the stretch.

Yeah, Sunday could start it because the Eagles aren't explosive enough to blow anybody at it to field goal game either way. Peter Kingnbc Sports.com as always Peter, great having you on the show. Thanks. Thanks, Colin. One more herd?

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Best quarterback who can't rent a car means they're under 25. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, or Lamar Jackson. Not an easy one. I'm going to go with a surprise pick, Justin Herbert. Listen to this. Most passing yards by any quarterback in the first seven games of his career in league history. He has the only rookie quarterback to average 300 plus yards a game ever as a rookie. Nobody's ever done that. He's tied for the most 50 plus yard receptions. And this is with

an offensive line that's been hit or miss. I think he is the shock of the NFL quarterback season, the absolute shock. The quarterback who needs a realtor, Kurt Cousins, Sam Darnold. Jimmy Garapolo or Dak Prescott. We all need a good realtor. Nobody more than Jimmy Garapolo. The other ones have their issues, but Jimmy's coach has lost his trust, and he's got the fewest 20-plus yard completions

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But I haven't given them any love, and they deserve a little. How about the Panthers? A bunch of close losses against good teams. And here's where I want to give them credit. Four games this year with 400 plus total yards of offense. So whereas the Giants are the best two and seven team I've ever seen, they're not wildly interesting. Carolina's a good watch, bad, but really competitive.

Worst Packers' draft pick. Jordan Love, A.J. Dillon, Josiah, Dugarda, or all of the above. It deeply hurts A.J. Dillon. Here's my issue. They've already got Jamal Williams as a backup. And Aaron Jones, they didn't need to draft another running back. They've got two studs. Jordan Love could be good, but, you know, he's developing.

I get that. I don't understand it. He didn't have a touchdown. He's rushed the ball 25 times. He got 90 yards. They didn't need a running back. Best ex-patriot, Tom Brady, Brian Flores, Mike Vrabble. Easy for me, Brian Flores.

Last 17 games. This is a rebuild. Last 17 games, a rebuild and switching quarterbacks. He's 10 and 7. He's a really good football coach. They play hard. Both sides, every play. Worst ex-patriot.

Jimmy Garapolo, Matt Patricia, Bill O'Brien. I don't think this is terribly difficult. Matt Patricia. wore his hat on backwards. First game. Turn me off. Listen, you got to win games. He's 12 and 27.

And I think we all acknowledge Matt Stafford's pretty talented. And I don't think it's a great division right now. I think Green Bay is a first. finesse team that's beatable, Chicago can't go quarterback right, Minnesota, struggled defensively this year. It's just not working. All right. Best commercial. Bill Belichick Subway, Baker Mayfield, Progressive, Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rogers for State Farm or the Watt brothers for subway.

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