The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/11/2020 - HOUR 1 - Brady, Jordan, Wentz, Tua

Episode Date: November 11, 2020

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Both my grandfathers. My grandfather, Clarence, was a command sergeant major. 30 years. My uncle CT. Most of my uncles, my father. Yeah, big military family. So thank you to all the veterans. Yeah, I get emotional.

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I think Michelle Rodriguez voiced it. Oh, so good. So let's start with this. Sometimes the personality you have as an outsider that gets you the job does know his work as an insider. Similarly, sometimes your greatest strength, which drives you to success. And once you have the success, you may not need it as much. So we would all acknowledge that Tom Brady's will. He's not the most talented thrower of the football.

He's not the best athlete of the football. He's the most willful player I've ever seen in football. He's still whining about being drafted in the sixth round. I mean, he didn't have a Super Bowl trophy. He's got a Super Bowl room with multiple trophies. And I've seen him cry on television in the last three years talking about it. He's the most willful person I've ever seen. He was willful in high school.

His dad tells you. He was willful in college. legit Michigan. He's willful at New England. And he's got all those trophies. But when Tom was being willful, the great thing is Tom was controlling Tom. Nobody controls Antonio Brown. And is that willfulness, Tom wants to prove everybody wrong in New England. He did. And then he goes to Tampa. Nobody. Nobody wants A.B. Is Tom doing it again? I'm going to prove all you wrong with Antonio Brown. The difference is Tom's willfulness was always led by Tom about Tom.

Tom now is trying to take a highly dysfunctional player that didn't work in well-run Pittsburgh or brilliantly run New England and trying to make him be Tom-like. And I don't know if it's possible. Ryan Shazir, who's a great linebacker for years, you know the story with the Steelers, was on the Ringer podcast, used to be a teammate of AB. And he said it's like dealing with a child as, a teammate of AB. I wish the best for AB, but at the time,

like, whoever's going to help the team, like, I wanted them here, you know, like, you don't want to be here, man. Best of luck in your endeavors, you know, and a few weeks later, I got blocked on Twitter and blocked on Instagram. I'm like, bro, like, I didn't even say, I wished you good luck.

And I was like, I'm not showing, like, no beef or, like, I'm not throwing no shade on you, but, like, bro, if you just, if you want friends that's going to tell you what you want to hear, that's not me. I mean, that's how a teenager would act. You didn't say stuff nice about me. I'm not following you on Twitter and Instagram. Again, I think the secret sauce, the Tom Brady, he's pretty athletic. He's got a nice arm,

but it's always been willfulness. Tom wants to prove people wrong. But I wonder now if Tom's trying to still do it on Antonio Brown and wide receiver, I'm sorry, it's not a need for Tampa Bay. Just think about this. Antonio Brown left the Steelers. How are they today? fine. Eight and no. He left the Raiders. Oh, big problem. Raiders are actually doing great. He arrived in Tampa Sunday. Did you watch? That's the worst game of Tom's career. He's moved in with him. He's got Tony Robbins now giving him pep talks. Tom always controlled Tom. That's when willfulness is great. But Tom can't control Antonio Brown. And Shazir went on to say, I don't think the minute it becomes about AB, that will not be a super bold team. And I worry about sometimes your greatest strength becomes a liability. Sometimes as an outsider, that personality doesn't work as an insider. And you can be willful, but that doesn't mean you can change dysfunctional people. And I don't think there's anybody needier in the NFL currently than A.B.

Antonio Brown. So this is interesting. You know, the LeBron Michael Jordan debate, you can criticize LeBron and it's okay. But boy, if you criticize Michael Jordan, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So it just makes headlines. And they're the two best basketball players I've ever seen. That doesn't mean they're the best at everything, but they're the two best basketball players I've ever seen.

Magic Johnson's third. Magic just isn't as good in his prime as a defender as Michael Jordan, who was great, or LeBron who was great. We even saw LeBron in this finals be a great defender. So Magic was never as good on the defensive end, which is only about 20 or 30 percent of basketball. It's mostly, you know, NBA is nobody stopped Kobe, nobody stopped Michael, nobody stops LeBron.

There's no such thing as a Michael stopper, LeBron stopper, a Kobe stopper, a Kareem stopper. By the way, Bill Russell didn't stop Wilk Chamberlain either. I mean, he was the best defensive player. It's an offensive league. That's 70, 75 or 80% of the game. But if you criticize Michael, watch out. And so a club shay-shay, it's very popular. Shannon Sharp's got a club.

Tuxedos are required. Club Shashay. Had Isaiah Thomas on talking about the best players he ever faced when he played. Who would you say are the five toughest players that you've had to? to face. Again, you know, and you can just go about a winning record, right? You know, magic, Kareem, okay, Bird, Bird, Dr. Jay, and then I would say Jordan. Oh, Michael's not number one. Let me defend Isaiah Thomas on this. Now, there's a reason at a boxing match, you'll have three judges, and as Joy knows, they sit on different sides of the ring.

Because you can see things differently from your view. If you're on this side of the ring, you may see a lot of the fighters up closely. Other side of the ring, you see a different fight. We've all watched fights, and one or two of the judges have a scorecard, and you're like, what fight did he watch? But we're watching on television with replays. He's down low. He could be on the wrong side of the ring and not have the same view of the fight.

That's why they have three judges, and they don't just have one, because fighters move around, they move toward their corner, And so from Isaiah Thomas's eyes, what is Michael Jordan? Well, let's just ask ourselves about basketball qualities that we admire, broadly. Is Michael Jordan the greatest winner of all time? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's not. Bill Russell won 11 titles. Michael won six.

Okay, okay, he's the best score of all time. Oh, no, no, no, no. That's Kareem, who was not only the best scorer, but had the greatest single shot. the skyhook. Okay, well, Michael does more things well than everybody. No, no, no, no, no. Even LeBron critics would acknowledge he's a better ball handler. He's a better rebounder.

He's a better passer than Michael. LeBron does more things well. Well, then, then Michael elevates people more than anybody. Oh, God, no. Magic Johnson, everybody was great with magic. That's why Magic went to 30% more finals than Michael Jordan. Well, he's the ultimate Iron Man. He's like Cal Ripkin.

And he never missed a, he quit twice. He was a great basketball player, perhaps the greatest ever. But in Isaiah Thomas's eyes, when Isaiah Thomas faced Michael Jordan in his prime with his pistons, Michael couldn't beat him. Michael couldn't beat him. By the way, he couldn't beat the Celtics either. And I've always said, there's two facts about Michael. It's almost sacrilegious to bring these up, but they're both facts.

When James Worthy and Michael were teammates at North Carolina, they won a championship. When James Worthy left for the pros, Michael stuck around. The following year, Michael's college basketball team with Dean Smith, it wasn't the best in state. North Carolina State won the title. He didn't even have the best college basketball team in state, Michael. And then he went to the NBA, and do you know how many playoff series he won without Pippin? For our radio audience, the answer is a bagel. Those are facts.

Michael won a title when he had Dean Smith and Phil. He didn't win with a lot of coaches. He didn't win with a lot of players. When he had a Hall of Fame number two and a Hall of Fame coach he won. The following year, he went eight years without winning. He had a bunch of good players. I had a bunch of quality coaches who won games. These are facts.

And the fact is Michael's not the greatest score ever. he didn't have the best shot ever. When he left, the Bulls were still very good. 57 wins to 55. When LeBron leaves teams, they disintegrate. But one thing that Jordan had, and to a higher level than anybody of my life, Michael was not only great, he was the best looking,

he was the most glamorous, and he had the greatest shoe campaign, which still resonates today. We moved off Joe Montana. Remember, Joe Montana was for Super Bowl. Super Bowls. He was four for four. Jordan's six for six. That's always the argument. But we moved off Joe Montana in a heartbeat when Brady won his fifth. In a heartbeat. Why? Because Joe Montana, like Jordan, was good-looking and glamorous. They're both good-looking

dudes. They're both glamorous guys. But Montana didn't have the Nike bulletproof shield, which deflects that likeability. I always said that about Ronald Ray. Ronald Reagan was the most liked president ever. Wasn't the best necessarily, but he was so charming and likable. Even his rivals liked him. His rivals wouldn't take shots at him. Any criticism, he once joked about bombing Russia. We all were like, oh, Judge Reagan, he's so funny.

Nobody else could get along. JFK couldn't have done that. Clinton couldn't have done that. Bushes couldn't have done that. Is that we moved off Joe Montana in a heartbeat. Four for four, perfect in the Super Bowl, three MVP's. the minute Brady got his fifth, even though Brady lost a couple. Because Montana didn't have the shield protecting him.

I think Michael and LeBron are the two best basketball players ever. Argue what you want. But I can go five and six and seven categories. He's not the greatest score. It's not the greatest winner. He didn't elevate teammates like magic. He's not an Ironman like LeBron. He didn't do more things well than everybody.

He's just a great basketball player that when he got to, Robin and when he got Phil Jackson, he was hard to beat. But I'll argue this. He never beat a great dynasty in the finals. He beat the Pistons and the Celtics when they got old and the Lakers in the West when they got old. You can say that. It's okay.

In Isaiah's worldview, when he was in his prime and the pistons were in their prime, Michael was just a super athletic guy that scored a bunch of points but didn't make anybody around him better. That's what he was. That's what he saw. It's like the boxing judge watches the fight from one angle. You watch it from another. That guy's crazy.

No, he has a different view of it. And Isaiah's view. And I know it's petty, but Michael's just as petty. LeBron can be petty. Magic can be petty. They're all petty. In his view, you can make an argument. Jordan was just maybe the greatest score.

But maybe not the greatest player. All right, coming up next. Oh, boy. Somebody else taking a shot at Carson Wentz. going to have a new thing today on the show. We're going to introduce a new thing. It's going to be called quarter bank. Not quarterback. Quarterbank, the bank of quarterbacks. And if we could pay them what they truly deserve, because I think what we pay them skews what we think of them. And I'll defend Carson Wentz on that coming up.

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Open your free. iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now car shield.com warranty runs out go there save 10% deductible may apply carshield.com code heard so um another article bashing carson wents the athletic shame shame shame shame they're saying oh he's just no good anymore I mean if you really deep dive dive on this stuff he's no good so uh I think he's very good I think he's a winner in their last 12 games, their favor this week, by the way, in his 13th. In his last 12 games, he's won or tied eight of 12, and that is with utter physical chaos around him on the O line, wide receiver, running back. I'm sorry he's not Patrick Mahomes, but Mahomes also has a better offensive

line, a more brilliant head coach, better weapons, a better defense, better special teams. So I'm sorry, he's not that. But I thought to myself, part of this is I like Dak. I don't like him for $37.5 million. If you paid him $22, I'd love that. I like, and you like Jared Gough the Super Bowl year. Then they paid him a lot of money, and everybody's like, yeah, it costs terrible. That money is part of this, right?

Like, what do you pay people? And it changes our perception of, okay, he's good, but he should not be making $35 million. So I want to introduce something called our quarter bank. I am the CEO of the quarter bank. I looked very bankish right there. Now, the bank, the bar set by the NFL is Patrick Mahomes at $45 million. He will eventually make that. So as a banker, that's more than I would like to pay, but that has been set.

That interest rate, that that's been set by the feds. So $45 million is the bar. So let's work our way off this. And I think by the end of it, you'll like Carson Wentz more. So if Mahomes gets 45, I would pay Russell Wilson then as a banker 40. He does not have the arm of Mahomes or the natural historic quarterback gifts. But he's a hell of a winner and at the line of scrimmage, he may be the best ever. Then I would pay $35 million to Aaron Rogers.

Been hurt more than Mahomes and Russell. I don't think he has their leadership skills. Has shown an inability to come from behind like Mahomes, who's a wizard at it and so is Russell. then I would pay three old veteran guys 30, not because they're the best, but they have proven to win divisions multiple times. They have innate leadership skills that have carried teams. They have multiple rings or at least one Super Bowl ring. I may not pay that for a long time, but at the quarter bank, I would pay them right now $30 million because of the need of their teams. Without them, their teams are not Super Bowl teams.

and then I would pay four, five young quarterbacks, $25 million. They're exceptional, but they don't have rings. They have holes in their game. Lamar, Kyler Murray, Deshawn, Carson, Wenson, Goff. Lamar, not a brilliant passer. Kyler Murray's never won a division. Let's win a few more games before we make him, you know, 30, 35, 4. Deshawn Watson can be really, really inconsistent.

Carson Wentz gets hurt a lot, and there are games. He looks awful. And then Jared Goff, who got to his Super Bowl, throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL, more athletic than people give him credit for. He's Matt Ryan with more athletic talent and a better thrower with the football. So once you put in the quarter bank,

when you put Carson in that category, it's like, oh, that makes a lot of sense. He wins his division. He's dealt with other chaos. even his rookie year, he won games, he wins games. He won seven his rookie year. When you, though, elevate him to the 35 million category, the Rogers, close to Russell, Brady,

yes, it feels outrageous. Just like DAC feels outrageous if you franchise tag him at 37 and a half. But if you paid quarterbacks in the tier, and remember, what you make for a living, folks, a lot of times is scarcity of jobs. is leverage, is timing. Let's face it, you go into a pandemic. You're not going to get a raise.

The stock market's up. You may get a raise. Carson Wentz, at the time, pre-pandemic, that's what they paid him. And he was, argue it or not, there wasn't a lot of people out there. Philadelphia knows you can't win without a quarterback. But I think if you look at the tiers and you look at Wentz in that $25 million a year category, you'd have no problem with him. He wins his division.

He's a winner. He's a unique armed talent. He's tough. He's got some leadership. Moxie. He's just right now paid at a level that skews our perception. Joy Taylor with the news. No.

No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. This has been a very interesting NFL season for the MVP race. And Dalvin Cook is the latest person to make his way into the conversation. According to Fox Bed, Cook is eighth on the list of potential MVP winners. So you have Russell Wilson at plus 120, Patrick Mahomes plus 210, followed by Aaron Rogers at plus 350, then Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Tom Brady, Ben Rathesberger, and then Dalvin Cook. The last running back to win MVP was Adrian Peterson in 2012.

He stole it from Peyton Manning. He had 19.5 boats, did Manning. Peterson had 30.5 votes. Dalvin Cook this season has 858 rushing yards. He leads the league, 12 touchdowns. He also is averaging 147. yards from scrimmage per game, putting him on track for 2,209 yards from scrimmage this season. So obviously, Russell Wilson is the frontrunner right now.

Depending on how these next few games go, I think Dalvin could move his way up. But when you're looking at the people that are in front of him, I think he would, I think he could have the potential to climb in front of Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, and Tom Brady. I don't know that he would get in front of Patrick Mahomes. Wrong position, wrong year. By the way, Kyler Murray, if I get that again, four or five, more times. He's going to finish top three. I mean, Delvin's having, he's clearly the best running

back in the league and he's having the best season of all running backs in the league. I would put him there with Derek Henry, but he's having a better season. I think he's statistically than Derek Henry. He's also a better overall back than Derek. Derek's just so physically imposing, but I think Delvin does more well. He just he has a different feel than Derek Henry.

But it's just a bad year for a running back to try and beat out that much quarterback talent. Because as much we're talking about how much Russell Wilson should win the MVP, Patrick Mahomes is having an incredible season as well. Wilson has 71.71% completion percentage, 29 touchdowns, eight interceptions. Mahomes, 66.9 completion percentage, 27 touchdowns, one interception.

So they're neck and neck, depending on how the rest of the season goes. We'll determine that, but he is Dalvin Cook having an incredible season. So NFL owners unanimously approved a plan yesterday to expand the postseason to 16 teams if a COVID-19 outbreak forces the regular season to, be shortened. Commissioner Roger Goodell confirmed after a virtual league meeting that every owner was an agreement on the plan, which will include eight teams in each conference making the postseason in the events that not all 32 teams can play all 16 games. I think by the end of the season, you get to see it just to add another playoff team to each

side. That seems fair to me. Obviously, the NFL is committed to finishing out the regular season as scheduled. The owners decided not to reseed teams once they qualify for the postseason, which had been an aspect of the proposal. So he stressed the main goal is through, you know, thorough contract or contact tracing and isolating people who have tested positive or high-risk contacts that they'll hopefully finish the season out and prevent any games from being canceled. But they have this plan in place in case any of that happens. They've done an amazing job so far. Obviously, there's had to have been some games moved around and rescheduled.

And it's been a lot. It's not been as bad as college football. Oh, God. No, God, no. It's been fine. we've had it sometime be honest with you when cam got it and they canceled a game i thought they overreacted it's i think it's been fine the NFL's burrowing through it it's going to be tough for the next two months because the cases are surging but you don't have a college campus to worry about college

football was an easy one to predict it was going to be a bit of a mess and it's just there's so many more factors going on in college and there is in the NFL guys are living together like it's it's just a different situation overall all the leagues have done a tremendous job managing it but they did put this in place in case they have to cancel any games so troy akeman understands how important a franchise quarterback is. And although Dallas is currently at two and seven, Aikman doesn't think they should focus on positioning themselves to draft one of the young quarterbacks. I think you coach to win. I think that's the objective. I think all those things kind of work itself out. The Cowboys aren't in need of a quarterback. I could see where maybe some

teams might look at this and say, well, you know, Trevor Lawrence is sitting out there. We'd sure like a shot at him. But I don't think Dallas is in the market for his services. Now he was the Cowboys' first overall pick in the 1989 draft. But right now the current order is the Jets, obviously, at 0 and 9, Jaguars 1 and 7. Cowboys 2 and 7

are sitting at 3, followed by the Giants of 2 at 7 and Washington. By the way, if you look at what the Cowboys need, they don't need, the five best players in college football are quarterbacks, a wide receiver from LSU,

a left tackle from Oregon, that's not what they need. It's a perfect ear for Dallas to trade down because what they need is available in the draft at like the 12th spot to the 27th. They need to focus on their defense and rebuild the offensive line. A great corner from Alabama, a couple of linebackers out there. Dallas doesn't need, if you look at the big boards being set up by like the Mel Kuyper's and Todd McShay's, the top five or six players, Dallas doesn't need those. They don't need another wide receiver, and you could argue they don't need a quarterback, and that's what's available at the top.

What they should do is trade down to like the 17th spot. It's a bunch of positions they need, which is a great guard from Wyatt Davis from Ohio State. There's a couple of defensive linemen and edge rushers later. So it's a perfect year for Dallas to trade down. But does Jerry, who loves stars and headlines, does he have an end of him to trade down? Well, it always comes down to Jerry.

But what also makes it interesting is if they're going to franchise tag, Dak Prescott, which would be a little over 37 million, I mean, you're not going to pay that to a young quarterback over the next four years. So if you do decide to go for a quarterback, you're going to be saving yourself money, and you may potentially be in a different situation. Now, I personally love DAC,

and I think he is the quarterback of the future in Dallas. And I also think that Jerry won't move off of DAC because of the injury as well. I mean, he's very well liked, and he's done a good job for them. Dak is not the problem in Dallas, as we're seeing right now. Otherwise, we would be talking about them picking in the top five. Joy with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Bring in Nick Wright, my buddy host, First Things First, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. We love bringing them on Wednesdays at this time. All right, so I led my show today. Ryan Shazier talked about Antonio Brown. I've said it before personally.

A thing I struggle. I'm not really one of those, you know, things that turn me off, you know, lists of things that drive me nuts. Very few things about people drive me nuts. neediness is way at the top of the list. I'm not going to babysit anybody over 18 years old. A.B. can be really needy. Shea's ears like, man, it's a lot of work dealing with him. And Ryan Shazir is a guy who was a good leader, a good player, a trustable source.

What do you make of his comments? Yeah, it makes you wonder why GM Tom Brady demanded he be brought in. It just strikes me as a lot. I mean, you got Mike Evans, who, you know, is averaging a fewer targets this year than Cole Beasley, and yet you're bringing in another wide receiver. And now, Brady loves him, and for reasons I don't totally understand, just like you were talking about the Cowboys list of needs, nobody would have put receiver, much less volatile, very questionable, more than questionable off the field problems receiver on their list

of needs. But they added him. And since they've added him, the results are their 0-1 in their biggest game of the year and they got annihilated in that game, and now they can't win their division. So I would say the early returns are not promising, but what I am hearing from my sources in Tampa is they believe once all the fair points are scored in that Saints game, they're going to be called victors. So I would hold off, you know, shoveling dirt on their grave, but right now it doesn't look good for him. Look at you, Nick Wright. So, you know, you and I, I think mostly is what I'm hearing. Yes, that's, yes, you know, so I think you and I mostly agree on DAC, the intangible stuff we love, but you start looking around the world at the Mahomes

and the Russell Wilson's, and there's just some stuff, you know, just don't stack up. Arm, you know, escapeability, Kyler Murray now. I said yesterday, if the Cowboys were an emoji, they're into their fields now. They would be the heart-eye emoji where they just like him too much. They've lost rational thinking. Do you think they're too loyal to Dak? Well, I think even if you are certain you're keeping DAC, you don't say what Jerry Jones said. You want the world to think you might draft a quarterback. Let's go back to a draft

you're very familiar with, Colin, when the Indianapolis Colts at the third pick were able to trade down to six very shrewdly and pick up three additional second rounders because the Jets wanted Darnold. Why were they able to do that? Because everyone knew the giants were not taking a quarterback at two. So even if the Cowboys are never going to draft a quarterback, they should make the world think they might because the point that you made, what they need is additional picks. What they need is to address the defensive side of the ball. The question I would have for Cowboys fans is this. This is not about DAC. If Patrick Mahomes were their quarterback this year, are they a Super Bowl caliber team? I say no. I think the defense has showed to be two poor

coached and too bad. And if that's the case, then you do have to consider, if you end up with the second pick and you can get fields, you can franchise DAC and immediately trade him for two first rounders and save close to $40 million so you could spend money on your defense, draft defensive players, have a cheap quarterback that maybe has the same or greater upside than DAC. I would at least consider it because the team right now, seems to be broken and bringing DAC back and having one blue chip player in the top five is not going to fix that. Speaking to quarterbacks, I thought I thought Kyler versus Tua was the best three and a half hours of football I had watched in a long time. I thought it was wildly entertaining.

Two different styles, although about the same size. What did you make of his second start? Yeah, I mean, I think how good is Tua going to look when he doesn't have to worry about the fact that he's playing for his job? I mean, once the audits. is over. I think he's going to be just fantastic. I thought Tua was great. I think Tua is right now the best quarterback in that division. And based on the 2020 season alone, Brian Flores has been the best coach in that division thus far this year. I think Miami's got a shot. I picked him to make the playoffs before the year. At this point, I think they have a shot at winning the division. And yeah, I thought Tua was awesome. You know, you just mentioned Kyler. I don't know if we're going to get

it or not, but in the, I don't know the universe where Carson Wintz is on that same quarterback tier as Kyler and Lamar. It was very confusing to me. I thought Kyler was awesome. And I think Arizona is scary, especially once they get a little more experience in these big games. All right. So you love basketball like I did. And I said, you can view something differently because you see it from a different angle. And where everybody that's, you know, 20 years old sees Mike Jordan on YouTube and didn't see any of his losses or missed shots. He's the greatest player ever. We have to live with LeBron's bad games, you know, the one he has a year.

And in Isaiah Thomas' eyes, when he says MJ is the fifth best player I ever faced, well, when he was in his prime with the Pistons and they were in their prime, Michael just shot a bunch, didn't elevate others and could never beat them. So I defend Isaiah that in your eyes, no, Kareem was unstoppable. There was nobody like Kareem in his prime. your take away. I kind of defended Isaiah today with his thoughts. Yeah, well, listen, Jordan and those bulls, as you mentioned, couldn't beat Isaiah's pistons. They finally beat them once once the pistons had aged out of contention after the pistons had owned them for the 80s.

And so, of court, Isaiah Thomas, what do all those players have in common that he mentioned? Those were the greatest players of the 1980s. Yeah. Jordan was not, one of those guys. Jordan was the greatest player of the 90s. And so, of course, I defend Isaiah. I'm also glad Isaiah included Dr. Jay, Dr. Jay, who I think is the 15th greatest player of all time, but nobody counts what he did in the ABA when he won three MVPs and championships in the ABA so people forget about how great he was before he even got to the Sixers in the NBA. But whenever, here's what I would say to the audience that is saying, ah, Nick and Colin, you're both just in the tank for LeBron.

The next time one of these types of shows is running a Jordan highlight reel. Count on your fingers how many of the highlights come against the pistons. Because there ain't none. It's him getting clotheslined. And the highlights, it's like, wow. Ask Byron Russell, who the toughest player he played against is.

I bet he says Jordan. Ask Cliff Robinson or Clyde Drexler. I bet they'll say Jordan. but the Pistons and the Celtics of the 80s had no problem dispatching of Michael Jordan. And we agree on a lot of stuff today. By the way, I'll throw on it. Look at my list here. Here, I'll ask you a question.

I didn't think there was much of a market for Cam pre-bill. I don't know if there's any market for Cam post-bill. He's not quite as dynamic the runner, although near the goal line, he's unstoppable. You tell me, what's the market for Cam in two months, three months? Well, I think a lot of it depends on how the next two months go. You know, I've always been high on Cam, but we talked about this yesterday on the show. Let's just say, alternate universe, after Flacco throws that interception, Patriots down seven driving the field, let's say Cam threw an interception there and they lose. There's a world that exists where that's the last start of Cam's career.

if they'd have lost to the Jets, he had played terribly, you know, in the games leading up to it, another turnover, they're two and six. They move on to Jared Stidham, even though Stidham's, I don't think going to be any good, but they at least, they turn the page, and there was a very cool market for Cam

going into this year. If this year ends poorly for him, I feel like the market, it's maybe not non-existent, but it's minimal. I think while the Patriots are hanging on for their dear lives to make the playoffs. Cam's future as a starter is hanging on by a similar thread. And I think we've seen how good he can be in some of these games,

but the consistency obviously hasn't been there. And I don't know Cam personally at all. But if I were Cam, I don't think I'd be enthused about the idea of going and being a backup somewhere. So I do think the next half dozen games are going to tell us a lot about Cam's future in this league. The well-dressed, well-coffed, sharp alert. How about that? Yeah, my hair's messed up. I didn't realize it until we started talking. I should have fixed it. My bad. But thank you. It's very stylish. We've got a little like a hip quotient. I don't.

So I never knock your hair because this is what you're looking at here. My fall hair piece. All right, buddy, good seeing you. I see you, man. Nick Wright. Coming up next, the best news of all for Tua and the dolphins. And it doesn't have anything to do with Tua. And I'll tell you that coming up. Plus, Joel Klatt next hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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So Tua is, I just feel so lucky sometimes so grateful to do this for a living because I feel like the NFL, which I cover about 70% of my show, 75 to 80% in season, about 50% out of season, is NFL show. We have all these young quarterbacks that are coming in. They're better than ever. They're 12, 13, 14 years old. They're getting 10,000 snaps a year. So two is the latest one we're talking about.

We've all kind of acknowledged Joe Burrell is going to be a hit. Justin Herbert's a hit. Josh Allen's a hit. Lamar's a hit. To some level, they're all working. And it's interesting. Albert Breer, you know, You know, there's a trend in the NFL right now.

And the NFL's been cyclical my whole life. We fall in love stuff. And then it always comes back to play defense, got to run the football. Toughness matters because the season ends in November, December, January. Don't fall in love with aerial attacks, September weather. Everybody at the end of the year is beat up, tired. You've got to run the football and play defense. So Albert Brewer was talking yesterday about Tua and that he's got this great defensive coach.

Everybody else wants an offensive coach. Sean McBag, Kyle Shanahan. at Zach Taylor and let's get offense and Andy Reed. And Albert Brewer made a point yesterday that, you know, defense on the coaching side with a star quarterback generally equals wins. If you look at Russell Wilson in Seattle and you look at Tom Brady in New England, playing for defensive coaches, right? What's the thing they have in common?

When they were young in their careers, those teams were built where those guys didn't have the weight of the world on their shoulders. What does it look like Tua has in Miami? Like, they don't need him to throw over. 300 yards every weekend. I was talking to a couple of dolphin staffers on Sunday night, and I think there were some interesting things that came from those conversations. And one of the guys that I talked to just kind of put it this way to me on how he performed down the stretch, it came down to three words. He's a winner. And it is interesting. Tua had his

great success at Alabama. Nick Sabin's a defensive guy, and then he goes and inherits Brian Flores, who again is a defensive guy and looks to be a very good defensive coach. So this may not be true anymore. But let's just go back and look at NFL history at the dynasties. So the first dynasty that I saw, I'm only counting the stuff that was on my television as a kid, was the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 70s. They won four in six years, 74 to 79. Defensive head coach, Chuck Noel, star quarterback Terry Bradshaw. The next dynasty was in the 80s. It was the 49ers. And you say, Colin, that was an offensive, offensive dynasty. Bill Walsh, Joe Montana. True, they won three. But George Seifert took over and won two more. He was a defensive coach. So 40% of

that dynasty was defense. The next was Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys in the 90s. They won a couple of Super Bowls. Jimmy was a defensive coach, Aikman, a star quarterback. The New England dynasty, which spanned 20 years defensive head coach and a star quarterback. Don Shula, defensive head coach, two Super Bowls. Tom Landry, Flex defense. Defense. Defensive head coach. coach, Roger Stauback, two Super Bowls. The Steelers, both Tomlin and Cower, defensive head coaches, with Ben, Super Bowls. Bill Parcells, one of the three best coaches of my life, defensive head coaches, Super Bowls. I'm not going to throw out Tony Dungey defensive Super Bowl star quarterback, Pete Carroll, defense star quarterback, because there's lots of one-offs on offense. But even last

year with the 49ers, you talk about Jimmy Garapolo. He got to a Super Bowl because of a defense. Kyle Shanahan may be an offensive wizard, but they took the ball out of their quarterback's hands. It was a running team and a defense that got them to lead in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. So the idea, right now we live in this world where it's like I get a wizard in college, offensive guy, but you start looking around. I would even say this.

As great as Andy Reed and Mahomes are, this team became unbeatable week 12 last year when their defense got good. And who generally makes a defense good? A defensive coach. That's his sensibility. An innate understanding of defense. defensive personnel in college, how to draft it, how to develop it. Pete Carroll, very good at drafting defense, developing. He may whiff on running backs. He may whip on offensive linemen.

But maybe the greatest gift Tua has is he's not going to be asked to win shootouts. I mean, remember this. This is just the start of Miami's defense. They're not even stacked yet. They don't have an elite pass rusher yet. They don't have a pro bowl interior defensive lineman. They've got one elite corner. So I think the great advantage for Tua is if you look at the history of football and what creates long-standing dynasties, it's usually a defensive head coach and a really high-end quarterback. The quarterback will eventually sort of run the offense himself. You know, in four years, we'll kind of run the offensive self. Flores takes care of the defense in special teams, and you win 27, 20 every week. That's what dynasties look like.

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