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Episode Date: November 12, 2020

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Joy Taylor is joining me. Tonight, NFL game, Fox, interesting, not real flashy, Tennessee, Colts, put playoff spot, division title potentially on the line. Big game, watch it. Joy, how are you? I'm great. This is a big game tonight. It is. Boring teams, but good. May Tennessee doesn't wow you, but I still

contend there are top six teams in the league, six-seventeen. Colts have a great defense. Tennessee is a good offense. So I want to start with this, Russell Westbrook. Like a lot of times, there's two stories. There's the story you see out to the media, and there's a story behind it, the truth. So there was these stories

yesterday. Westbrook, Westbrook, he wants to leave the rockets. Okay, I believe that. A lot of people are leaving the rockets. But it was funny where his destination was. Westbrook to the Clippers. No, that's an agent trying to, quote, create a market for Westbrook. A really good team's interested. Ooh, the Clippers are interested. Jerry West is interested. And no, they're not. That's an agent. It leaks the story so it creates a market. Yeah, the pathetic Knicks may be interested or awful Charlotte. Even the Charlotte rumor this morning. Oh, Charlotte loves him.

If they do, it's for one reason. Michael Jordan has Westbrook under his shoe brand and wants to sell shoes. He doesn't want a Westbrook to look pathetic on the market, not cool. They're trying to create this market. Everybody wants Westbrook. Oh, Westbrook, very valuable. nobody that's any good in this league is looking for a six three and a half guard that can't shoot the worst contract arguably in the league and can't play with top stars you know it's funny

when you hear this stuff i heard this for years oh chris paul tough to play with excuse me why we used to talk about blake griffin we don't anymore why the minute chris paul left Blake Griffin? I've never uttered his name until this moment. DeAndre Jordan was a thing in the NBA until Chris Paul left him. We don't talk DeAndre Jordan. Chris Paul's a winner. He doesn't have to win titles. I mean, Shaquille O'Neal, Magic Johnson, the late Kobe, Michael Jordan, LeBron have kept a lot of people from winning titles. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Warriors. A lot of guys don't win titles because you have these, you know, all-time top. top five players, top 10 players.

Chris Paul goes to Oklahoma City with a bunch of people you don't even know and they get to the playoffs. I always hear that Chris Paul is tough to play with. I don't know if he's tough to play with, but everywhere he goes, he wins. I'd love to have Chris Paul on my team. He's old school. He'll get in your face. He'll play defense. He'll yell at you.

He'll lead. He'll hit a mid-range jumper. Never afraid to take a big shot or guard the time. I love Chris Paul. Westbrook, I've never understood. here's the reality with Westbrook. And now all you people who are so mean to me, bigly, very, very hurtful, you have to admit four things. Number one, he was never a number one.

Since KD left in four years, he has a single playoff series win. Number ones in this league do not struggle to get out of the first round, even in the West. He's never been a one. Number two is he's a complimentary star. He just doesn't understand it. That's what took D. Wade from a really good basketball player to a three-time champ. D. Wade realized, oh, Shaq's better. Oh, LeBron's better. Westbrook literally joined James Hardin, and he took more shots than he took the year before.

He's a complimentary star, not the star. Number three is he shoots too much. Last year, he took the second most shots of his career, and he still shoots four threes a game. He should be scoring in transition, driving to the basket, some mid-range jumpers. that is it. No more threes. Everybody gets that except him. And number four, because he's hyperathletic as his athleticism wanes, he's not only not a number one, he's probably a number three on really talented teams.

I mean, he'd be a number three in the Lakers. Katie and Kyrie is a number three on Brooklyn. Stefan Clay, he's a number three on Golden State next year. He's a three. But there's a lesson to be learned here with Westbrook. stubborn and rigid never win in any industry. They never win. One of the most impressive things about Nick Sabin, the coach of Alabama,

is not that he wins football games. A lot of people have won. But these old coaches hit like 55, 60 years old and they get stubborn. Not going to change my way or the highway. Nick Saban mid-60s about four years ago decided, I am going to change my offense completely. We're going to spread it out. We're going to have four receivers.

We're not going to be a power running game. I'm going to have quarterbacks who are mobile. They can move around. And that's why he's the king. Westbrook's in his 30s and he's rigid. I get people that are older and rich and successful and they're like, I'm done. I'm just going to be me. I get it.

I understand it. I don't agree with it. I don't agree with people in their late 20s and early 30s who are like, I'm not going to change. So I think Westbrook will end up going to like the Knicks or Carolina. And Michael Jordan will bring him on simply to save his. shoe deal. That's what that's all about. That's about Michael, like, wants to make it feel like he's still cool and there's a market. And Westbrook will score a bunch of points and he'll, and he'll be hyperathletic and he'll, he's fun to watch. But there's a lesson to be learned here

is that people that cover the NBA fell for athleticism. Everybody's an athlete. The NBA is absurd. Seven footers now cranking up threes. Seven footers run the floor. Seven four Porzengis runs the floor like wings used to. This league's nothing but talent. Everybody can jump. Everybody can run. Almost everybody can shoot. Hyper athleticism doesn't make you a one or a championship player. And number two is players that adapt win titles. Michael Jordan scored a lot of points. Phil Jackson took over and said, Michael, you've got to share the ball. You want to score 50 or you want to win. And Michael Jordan. And Michael can be rigid at times, but Michael adapted. He started becoming a better teammate, started passing the ball to guys that were clearly not as good, the curs and the Paxons.

Tony Cooch, is that the lesson to be learned here, if you cover the NBA, hyper-athleticism does not make you a one. Just makes you fun to watch. And the lesson to be learned for basketball players is adapt and evolve. LeBron started shooting threes halfway through his career. He shoots more every year. He gets better every year. he was a freight train and now he's a really cool nimble train can take turns and shoot threes adapt is always the answer all right so that's maybe the last time i talk about this as you know on this show is i'm a defender

all things carson wens though i acknowledge he's reckless and drives me nuts and inartistic and sometimes is just frustrating throw a shoe at a tv frustrating but this is more about brett farb who has a weekly like a satellite radio show. Very few people who have ever played football are great television analysts. Aikman is. Collinsworth's really, really good, Chris Collinsworth. I think Tony Romo is really good. There's been a handful.

John Madden, and the reason is, because most people just play the game, they don't think it. Aikman thinks it. Chris Collinsworth thinks it. Tony Romo thinks it beyond just playing, right? And Brett Farve just played it. And he was great. But we never relied on Brett Farrv for insight. I mean, second year in Green Bay, he acknowledged,

I didn't know what a nickel defense was. My mom knew what that was. She hate sports. We relied on Brett for instinct. He's one of the great instinctual players ever. So yesterday on his show, he's got Nick Foll, somebody asked him whence Philadelphia. He went back to this inane argument.

I actually thought that they should have kept Nick Foles rather than Carson Wentz, just based off of production and where they got to. You know, they won a Super Bowl with Foles. And that was a little bit surprising. But they're obviously banking on his upside. You know, how many more years do you let it linger before you stick with him or you cut bait? That's interesting because that's what the Packers kept demanding Brett Favre do, linger about retirement, so they eventually cut bait with Brett who didn't like it.

No reasonable person thinks Foles, who, by the way, is two and eight since he left Philly, 13 TD's nine picks. He was 0 and 4 in Jacksonville. He wasn't as good as Gardner Minchu. He's now bad in Chicago, doesn't appear as good as Mitch Trubisky. I'd love to have a beer with Brett, play golf with him. He'd probably be fun to hunt with if I did that. But we do not depend on Brett Farr for insight. We relied on Brett Farr for incredible football instincts. But he threw 60 more picks than anybody else, often in the biggest spots in games. Greg CoSells watched film for 40 years.

A couple years ago he was on the show. He wouldn't even get into a debate. He refused to discuss it at length on my show. The Foles is better than Wendt's argument. It is a high-level talent at the quarterback position. Carson Wentz is probably a top three or four talent in the league in the position. I agree. Okay?

Last year, the Eagles were scoring well over 30 points a game before he got hurt, and he would have been the league MVP. He came back from an ACL. Who knows if he came back too early? You know, Nick Falls, there's an incredibly wide variance in Nick Falls play from week to week. He shouldn't be in the same conversation with Carson. I agree. So to me, this is not even worth a conversation.

This is like trying to tell me that two and two is five. We don't judge Jeremy Lynn because of one great month for the Knicks. Do we? We don't listen to a band who has one really cool song and think, oh, the Beatles or even Imagine Dragon. Like we know it's a one hit wonder. There's a term for a band that has one hit. Nick Foles is a one hit wonder. That's what he is.

He's a one hit wonder. He's not even a good band. He's a band that had one really awesome hit. Nice kid. Love to have on the roster as long as I don't have to pay him. And I'm done arguing with Brett Farve on Nick Foles and Carson Wentz. No reasonable person thinks that's a debate. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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Open your free. iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now this happens all the time in every business your business my business standards change the bar is raised hopefully the bar is raised in your industry and not lowered what is acceptable um not only just to be employed but to pay the good money and to have security and the san francisco 49ers and this feels very very legit to me not all the reports i'm hearing on westbrook feel legit this feels legit they are looking at quarterbacks and they like Zach Wilson of BYU, who by the way, I saw a couple years ago. He's very clever player. You know, got the height, got the arm, moves around. Little light, he's about 210 pounds.

But if you watch him play, especially with Kyler Murray and all this stuff, you look at him and you're like, okay, that works somewhere. I mean, you know, I've watched him play for the last couple of years, and my takeaway is he does a lot of these little clever, you know, he's got a little point guard in him. And it's, you know, he's a much, he's six three. So he's like got some Kyler, not Kyler the runner, but he's got some Kyler with a big arm. He looks like an NFL quarterback to me. And so this past weekend, he played very, very well. So here's the thing about Jimmy Garoplo.

And I think the bar is changing. First of all, we have a supply of quarterbacks now that there's so many. We're getting like four and five taken in the first round. There's so many. The supply is so great. And most of them are better sooner that the bar is being raised. And I think now, here's for a guy that gets hurt like Jimmy Garapolo, Aaron Rogers gets hurt, Carson Wentz get hurt, and Jimmy Garoppolo get hurt.

Garoppolo a lot. You got to give me a wow factor. So Wentz and Aaron Rogers get banged up, but there is a wow factor. You watch their arms and their arm angles, you're like, okay, 99% of the world can't do that. Garapolo's problem is he gets hurt a lot and there's no wow factor. Forget the fact that Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson never get hurt. Lamar doesn't get hurt. Josh Allen doesn't get hurt in the NFL.

That's the ideal situation. But if you are a guy that gets banged, that misses time, Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold, and Carson Wentz right now is much better than Sam Darnold. But Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rogers is better than Carson Wentz. You have to give me a wow factor. You can't just be, I'm hurt a lot and I'm solid. That's done. Those days are over.

And by the way, I like Garoppolo. but when he got hurt again, I'm out on him. If Carson Wentz had another serious injury again, even with his wow factor, I'm out on him. If Aaron Rogers has another serious injury, I'd consider being out on him. Like the new standard in the NFL is, if you get hurt, if Kirk Cousins got hurt, it's over. You've got to give me a wow factor because Lamar comes into this league with a wow factor. Kyler's a wow factor. Two of Sunday was a wow factor.

Josh Allen's a wow factor. That's the only thing saving Sam Donald right now. That's it. That's the knock on Baker. I get inconsistency and no wow. The only thing saving Donald right now, why somebody will pick him up, there is a wow factor. You watch him athletically sometimes.

Every game, two plays. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If you get hurt, where's the wow? And with Garoppolo, I simply don't see it. Accuracy, okay. Arm, okay. athletically marginal. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

Lamar Jackson yesterday was on the Rich Eisen Show, and one of the things he talked about, he said to Rich Eisner in the show, he said, hey, Rich, I'm hearing people call stuff out when I'm at the line. Like, he's going to run, he's going to run, he's going to run. Well, let's just be honest about that. Everybody does that with all the quarterbacks. That's what middle linebackers do. That's not because Lamar Jackson's totally predictable. if he was totally predictable, he wouldn't be 25 and 5 in his last 30 games.

That's not a knock on Lamar Jackson. Everybody's calling out stuff to everybody. That's what you do in the NFL. Teddy Bruske used to face Peyton Manning, and he said he was talking the whole game. He'd throw stuff out there just to confuse it. The whole game, they're guessing. So I'm not knocking Rich for the question or Lamar for the answer, but that happens all over the league. I am not going to just sit here and defend Lamar Jackson on numbers because I'd crush you.

The two losses this year are to Pittsburgh and Kansas City. so Baltimore has lost to teams with a record of 16 and 1. I'm not going to use that. I'm not going to use the fact that if you take out games Lamar Jackson has played in his career, not against Patrick Mahomes. He's 25 and 2. I am not going to use that.

I'm not going to mention that. In the games he's started, 30, he's 25 and 5. I would not dare be so superficial to mention that. Here's what I'm going to mention. Here's the numbers I'm going to mention. It's all about winning to me, right? Winning and staying healthy. He does both.

A lot of comparisons have been made to Colin Kaepernick, who, like, shocked us with his running ability, better runner than thrower, got to a Super Bowl. And I've heard comparison. Ooh, Kaepernick, Kaepernick had Greg Roman as an offensive coordinator. Lamar runs better than he throws. He's Kaepernick. And he's got Greg Roman.

It's the same kind of offense. Lamar Jackson is so much better than Kaepernick on five levels. So I put up Kaepernick's best year, 2013. He was great that year. That was his best year. And Lamar's best year. Folks, it's not close in anything. Lamar is a significantly better thrower.

66% completion of 58. One guy was 218. Two to one touchdowns, right? Lamar was 36 touchdowns to six picks. One passer ratings 91. The other is 113. One rushed for 500 yards. The other for 1,200.

He's a better runner. He's a better thrower. Here's the other two things. And I say this as it's sourced. I had a source for a year, no, two years, in the quarterback room for the Niners when Kaepernick was there. Lamar loves football. Loves to play it.

Loves to talk about it. Loves to work out. Likes to train. likes to practice. Lamar loves football. Kaepernick was hit and miss. My buddy that was in the film room was like, some days he loved it, sometimes he wasn't into it.

What did Jimmy Johnson, too? tell us on Monday. Passions everything. Do you care? Remember Jimmy Johnson was talking about what kind of coaches. Are you smart? Do you love football? John Gruden says that. Only guy that's ever loved football more than me is Andy Reed. Kaepernick didn't love football on a daily basis. Some days he did, some days he didn't. And that's from somebody who trained him and was in the quarterback room. Lamar loves it. Secondly, they have different personalities. Lamar's a leader. People like Lamar. People like being around Lamar. His teammates like him. His teammates defend him. Jay Glazer came out a year before Kaepernick was known as controversial.

and he stated, and Jay Glazer doesn't miss on this stuff. Cameron didn't have a lot of allies. He'd often eat lunch alone. He's kind of an odd guy. He's a different guy, a different personality. So not only is Lamar a much better thrower and a much better runner and much more consistent and a much better winner, he's much more passionate about it. He loves football.

I mean, you watch Lamar. I mean, he'll incomplete a pass on third down. He is so upset. You see him. He's like stomping his feet. He cares so much about winning. Kaepernick never quite had that. In fact, it's not quite. Kaepernick just didn't have that passion. I mean, Brady's in this thing for 20 years. He's still screaming and yelling at people. That's somebody that loves football. Lamar loves football. Some of these guys, they like it.

Tony Gonzalez always says a lot of guys in this league like what football can do for them. And they like football. Pays well. They don't love it. Hall of Famers mostly love. And the trajectory right now for Lamar, excuse me, he keeps winning. He'll get the Hall of Fame votes. And the other thing is leadership, and I can't quantify it, but it matters. Lamar's a leader. I'm not going to give you the 30 starts, 25 wins. I'm not going to give you the 27 games.

He's not faced Patrick Mahomes. He's 25 and 2. I'm not going to give you the numbers. He's 16 and 1, the teams he's lost to this year 16 to 1. I'm not going to give you those. I'm going to give you leadership. I'm going to give you a passing. If you're going to compare him to Kaepernick

and still fight for Kaepernate to get a chance, Kaepernick's not in the same galaxy. Not in the same galaxy. And he got to a Super Bowl. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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joining me live. All right, let's just break down. Let's go, let's go Saints Bucks. So let, I felt Tampa, let's start with Tampa. I really believe their right tackle is a, is a very good run blocker, gronk, I like Leonard Fernette, I like Ronald Jones. I think they should be more run-based, 55, 45, I really do. I see power running here with great receivers over the top.

Sunday, they just said, no, we're going to throw the ball deep. These are low percentage throws, and I thought, oh, you've lost your identity. You're not even sure what you are. That's what it looked like to me watching Tampa. It was an odd bunch of low percentage throws. They didn't establish anything. That's what I saw.

What did the film see? Well, there were a couple of things that the film showed. Number one, and it started with the first play of the game, their offensive line really struggled in pass protection, one-on-one individual pass protection across the board. And number two, they really struggled to win versus man coverage. The Saints committed to playing a meaningful amount of man coverage, and they struggled to win versus man coverage. Now, Evans has always had a difficult time with Latimore.

Latimore, who's not had a great year, he always gets up to play against Mike Evans and plays him very well. And even great quarterbacks, even first ballot hall of famers like Tom Brady, Colin, there's a cumulative effect of pressure. When there's bodies around you seemingly on every throw, you get uncomfortable being in the pocket, and you naturally start to play a little bit faster and you're just uncomfortable playing the position. And when you then look and you see that people aren't really open and you don't have to find window throws, that just exacerbates the problem. So they really struggle throwing the ball.

The question of whether they should run it more, that's a philosophical question. And maybe it's true. But this is with their weapons, this is who they choose to most predominantly be right now. Okay. Let's talk about the Saints. They ate up that Buck's defense that we acknowledge, especially up front, is very good. They had seemingly no troubles with it. So what did Todd Bulls do or not do as a defensive coordinator? Well, let's look at it from the perspective of the Saints first. What the Saints did is they predominantly lined up in base personnel. And they also, with their quick passing game, the ball gets out of Breeze's hand very quickly. So this is philosophical for a defensive coordinator. number one, most of your pressure packages do not come out of your base defense. They come out of your sub-nickel or your sub-dye, meaning five or six defensive backs. And the Saints played a lot in their base, so they kept the bucks in their base, which minimizes the pressure schemes.

And number two, the philosophy is that, hey, if a quarterback is going to get rid of the ball so quick, I'm not necessarily going to pressure them because whoever I use is a blitzer is not going to get there. The ball's going to be out, so I'm wasting a player. So that's a philosophy that a lot of coaches have when they play against quarterbacks that are very rhythmic and the ball comes out. You can be, I said this yesterday. The Giants play the Eagles this weekend. The Giants may be the best two and seven team I've seen in a while. Every week, I've watched them five times the entire game. won two of them and they could have won the other three. I watch a team and I see Miami last year, which is, you know, Miami last year needed more speed. They didn't have a true corner.

But at the end of the year, I'm like, man, they play hard. They're buying in. They're losing competitive. I got to tell you something. I don't think it's crazy to suggest the Giants this morning are the best team in that division. It's a great point because defensively is where you really want to talk about the Giants. Of course, everybody wants to talk about Daniel Jones, but I think defensively they've really improved. They are a very difficult defense column to play against. They have multiple fronts the way they use their players. They have blitz packages that are really interesting. There's a lot of disguise and late movement to get to specific coverage concepts. They're a tough defense to decipher and to play against. And I think that this is a very difficult

matchup this Sunday for the Philadelphia the Eagles, his offense we know has not been very good. Yeah, no, I mean, I'll tell you what, when you watch, I watched that Rams game was the first time I watched, and I'm like, oh, they're making Goff incredibly uncomfortable. And I thought, oh, this is, all

quarterback struggle with that, golf especially. I mean, Goff, when he's comfortable, wins, when he's uncomfortable, loses, and I do think Carson Wentz this week is going to be uncomfortable. I think the Giants are going to win this football game. I really do. I really like the Giants. When you play against them, you have to validate and confirm what the coverage is after the snap of the ball.

So you have to make your quarterback think that through really quickly. He has to, the term I use is eliminate and isolate. You have to eliminate what's not there and isolate what is there. But you have to do that after the snap against most defenses. And defenses don't want this to be the case. But against most defenses and the great quarterbacks can eliminate and isolate before the snap. The Giants are making you do it after the snap. All right, two has got two games.

They didn't ask much the first game. They asked a lot more the second game. Now, I did say this, Arizona's defense outside of Buda Baker, doesn't have a lot of elite players. So he was moving the ball up and down against, you know, not always a great pass rush. But Miami's offensive lines are work in progress. So let's give two a credit here.

What did you see? What did the film see show you that you liked? Well, I think the film showed me that Shan Galey understands exactly what two his traits and skill set are. Tua is really quick on his drop, plants that back foot. He's a rhythmic timing quarterback. That's his game. There's not a lot of mystery to what Tua's game is.

And I thought when I watched that tape, literally every throw, maybe with just one or two exceptions, the ball came out when he hit that back foot, which means that the reads and the throws were defined by the past game concepts. And they also did play action and play action boot. And that also fits his game extremely well. So I thought it was a great mix with Chan, Gale, clearly understanding what two is, that's the kind of quarterback he is. By the way, Kyler Murray, I watched him, his first game as a pro last year.

I'm like, okay, let me see another one. His second game, I came on the air and I told Joy, I'm like, that is, he's even more elusive than Russell Wilson and throws as pretty a ball. I think he's just getting better and better and better. I really do. I thought last week, despite losing, I think he's a handful. And I really think there's more to him. I think every time I about every third game, I feel like I get a different version.

What is the film saying on Kyler? Yeah, I think overall it's very positive. I think that he throws a beautiful ball. He's a very good thrower. He certainly has great movement. The designed run game is a meaningful part of what the cards do on offense. And of course, he's got scrambling, second reaction ability. I think for him to become great, and I'm not one who uses that term loosely,

he needs to become a little more consistent as a passer in terms of a ball. placement, throw after throw after throw. He had a very good game this week. And then on that critical third and one or third and two play at the end, which is by NFL standards, an easy throw, he throws it in the dirt. So I think that there's a lot to like about him. And he's special as a mover and can make really excellent throws. And I think he's definitely an ascending player. So it's interesting. The first month of the year, Josh Allen was completing 78 of his throws what you call downfield 15 plus. Yeah.

The next four weeks, he completed 25% of those. So I did some diving on this, deep diving. And when John Brown's available, he's a different quarterback. He's like the numbers change. And I watched them this weekend and I'm like, why am I getting this inconsistency for? Because he's always big and he's always got a strong arm and he's always mobile. Could it be that there are receivers for young quarterbacks that they feel very comfortable throwing to. And when they're not available, they're a different quarterback. And could it be that for Josh

Allen? Well, it's not just John Brown as a person. Here's what it is, Colin. This team lines up with four wide receivers on the field, what we call 10 personnel, one back and four wide receivers on over 20 percent of their offensive snaps. And that's with John Brown missing time. So they want to play meaningfully out of 10 personnel, and Josh Allen's passing numbers out of 10 personnel are off the charts. So when they're missing John Brown, they can't play out of 10 personnel the way they want to. And Josh Allen is very good as a spread quarterback. So this is just something tactically that they do exceptionally well. So while John Brown is a very good receiver, it's not just John Brown. It's what he allows them to do from a personnel and tactical

perspective. So your play of the week is with Ryan Tannahill. And we're talking about this. I love Tennessee at the end of last year. And I loved them at the start of this year. They lose close to the Steelers. And then they go out, and this often happens. You play a big emotional rivalry game. Next week, you're flat. They go out and play Cincinnati. They, I mean, eight minutes in, you're like, okay, they're just not here ready to play. And next week, last week they come out and they're very dominant early. And I believe that is what Tennessee is. I don't think it's Cincinnati. I think Cincinnati's a post-stealer result. So, and we've, and I've, and I've said this to Joy, is I was never a Tannahill

guy. Now I reluctantly embrace that he's good enough to win playoff games. So that's, if you're good enough to win playoff games, you're probably good enough to get to a Super Bowl. What do you make at Tany Hill is in Tennessee right now? I'll answer that this way. I think they're walking a fine line, Colin. I think that they have to be careful because the bottom line in the NFL is your past game,

and your run game have to be able to operate independently of one another any given week. They can't be dependent on each other for you to be successful. So in other words, you can't just have a pass game that works off Derek Henry. Your past game any given week has to be independent of Derek Henry and the run game. And I think right now they're trying to figure that out and working through that. Because if they don't work through that and their past game is just a function of their run game, it will not be good enough to win big games. So having said that, let's go to this big play because this was a great, great throw by Tannehill, and this was a slot fade to A.J. Brown, who's a very, very good receiver.

But this came on a third and two. And third and two is important for this play. They're in a two-by-two set, two receivers to each side of the formation. Because it's third and two, the bears are playing man coverage. It's a man coverage down in distance. Let's focus to the field side of the formation. And there's A.J. Brown in a wide slot with Buster's screen, a good slot corner matched in press coverage. Now, a slot fade is a very common route in the NFL.

All teams have it in their playbook. And you'll see that Buster's screen is with Brown. He's right with him in his hip pocket. This is when Tannehill delivers the football because this is a spot throw. He's not waiting to see if A.J. Brown wins. This is a spot throw, and you couldn't place it in A.J. Brown's hands any better than Tannahill did. That play was made by the throw. Good stuff. Greg CoSell, NFL Films, 41 years. Good talking to you, Greg.

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And they've had a lot of good ones. A lot of good ones. And it was a pro bowler, multiple time pro boulder, did some radio TV. He is now retired with his family in one of the most beautiful and undiscussed states in America, Wyoming. And he is joining us now live. So it's interesting. I want to talk to you. I want to start with NFC East quarterbacks because they're often discussed.

So I'll just, I'll give you the quarterback and you tell me, Chris, future, you'd pay him, you like him. Let's start with Daniel Jones. What do you see as a guy that played in this league for a decade with Daniel Jones today? You're the coach of the GM. What is he? I think he's Eli Manning with a little bit more athletic ability. there's some things that I really like about Daniel Jones. One, there's some toughness. The guy will take shots in the pocket. He'll make competitive throws and he'll fight.

He can move. He can make throws on the run. But he's a guy that isn't devoid of weapons. They've had some injuries throughout this year. But he's also a guy that I haven't seen that true spark from. And it's funny, you say that, but then you go, look at Justin Herbert. And look at all these young quarterbacks. Look at Kyle Murray.

Daniel Jones is just not a smart quarterback for me. So oddly enough, in New York, he's Eli Manning. Dak, what do you do with him? What do you see? I pay Dak. Dak's a guy that I've seen develop over the last five seasons. I think he's a true leader. I think he's beloved by everybody in that organization, including all of the fans.

And I think he's really become a very good quarterback. You look at Dak, who was really basing. with Jason Garrett in his first few years, ended up evolving. They get weapons around him. In his first year in McCarthy's offense, which this team has been bad, that team has been bad, but DAC excelled, made big play after big play, brought him back from some huge deficits. He's a guy that I think you have to have loyalty to. And when you pay a guy like that, it starts to set a standard. Now, the one thing, Colin, that gets tough is, can you surround your quarterback with the type of weapons when you start talking about a cap number that's like 14, 15, 16% of your cap,

which is what they're going to have to pay him. I've heard all the talk that if he had a huge season in this franchise year, he would have dictated a ton of money. He did. Five games was enough, I think, for people to see. Anyone will pay that. All right. Let's go to Carson Wentz.

I like him, injury prone. What do you think of him? I think Carson Wentz is one of those interesting guys that maybe isn't a good fit for Philadelphia. To me, it seems like there's been issues with Wentz since he went down and Foles came in, going back to that next year where they had the giant billboard of Nick Foles, and you could tell it hurt Carson Wences' feelings. He's a guy that's an incredible playmaker. Wence is a guy that can do anything you want him to do.

He'll extend plays. He's great off script. He can make every throw on the football field. But at the same time, he's a guy that makes a ton of mistakes. And like you mentioned, he's a guy that ends up injured all the time. So I think that you really have a question mark on what you want to do with Carson Wentz in the future. Someone will pay him because he's an outstanding talent. But I don't know if the fit's perfect in Philadelphia.

I've never heard anybody say that. That is interesting. And by the way, with his injuries, Howie Roseman would probably at this point take phone calls. If somebody was interested, Howie would probably take a phone call. Okay, now let's go to Washington. You're going to have a top six pick. They're going to take a quarterback, right? you'd think that they're going to take a quarterback i don't think that duane haskins is the future there

it's hard when you have two staffs and you can say whatever you wanted to say about the previous staff with gruden and the allen administration but when you bring in a new staff in rivera who's really respected around the league and duane makes it five games and now there's rumblings that it's not good in the week of practice and that he's not where they need to be and it's a huge it's a huge project. I think that's hard for a team with a young offensive coordinator and Scott Turner in his first year trying to establish identity, trying to install in meetings and say this is what we want to be, but then you have Duane that maybe isn't executing throughout the week in that fashion. It was a big gamble, I thought, taking Haskins when they took him

a year ago. A lot of people liked him, but a lot of people weren't quite sure based on one year at Ohio State with tremendous weapons and so many yards after the catch, my guess would be that they would move on from Duane. For them, I'm sure they're hoping to have some trade value in him. I'm sure they shopped him around the trade deadline and didn't get what they wanted. Maybe they will in this offseason, but there's also four or five young guys coming up. So Duane will be interesting how they handle that situation. Chris Cooney. I would guess you draft a guy, Colin. Yeah, no. But then you're looking at, is Alex Smith going to sit here again and be Patrick Mahomes number two for one more year in Washington, which I love for a young quarterback at times to let him learn behind a guy like Alex. Alex is as good of a guy as it gets, a good of a teammate as it gets.

He's a tremendous leader. He's a student of the game. He knows how to prepare and do everything the right way. I don't know if Alex is a top 20 quarterback at this point in his career, but he's a guy that you can plug and play if he's healthy. Yeah. Now I'm going to throw a couple of quarterbacks at you. A fascinating one, being around Washington. So Lamar Jackson is 25 and 2 in his career when he doesn't face Patrick Mahomes.

I just watched him against the Colts defense and he ate it up in the second half and that's a really good defense. And I know, like Baker Mayfield can hurt Cleveland. Philip Rivers can hurt the Colts. I watch Lamar and I'm like, he's imperfect. But God, he started 30 games. He's won 25. I watched him in the second half against the Colts. They couldn't stop him.

Like, have we gotten to a point where, okay, he's not Patrick Mahomes? He's healthy. He's dynamic. He wins a ton. He's harder to defend. I just, I keep hearing everybody moving off. I think he's twice the quarterback of Kaepernick. What do you make of Lamar?

So I think when Lamar came out and there was questions about what he was going to be, I said I'd take him number one overall if he'd do whatever I wanted. I said he'd be the best running back in the NFL. and he probably would have coming out of that draft or the best running back in that draft. He's not Patrick Mahomes. And I think Baltimore, to some extent at this point in his career, has to be a frontrunner type of team where they get out to leads early in games. But when they're in balance with that offense,

what Greg Roman does with that offense is absolutely outstanding. The way they run the football, the way they balance the run-action pass and some of the past game stuff with it is tremendous. Lamar makes plays in third-down situations throughout the year where, He can make some big throws. He can also be the, essentially be the checkdown and be the scrambling quarterback that's going to get you those yards. I would love to have Lamar Jackson be my quarterback. You're just going to develop an offense that isn't Kansas City's offense. And that's essentially what Greg Roman did.

Yeah. No, you fall where I do. All I know is he's got a superpower. If you got a superpower as a quarterback, Josh Allen's arm, Kyler Murray scramm, if you have a superpower and you don't get hurt, I'll figure it out. It's up to me as a coach to figure out how to use you. now let's go to a guy that I used to like, but I'm out on because he's hurt too much and doesn't have a superpower, Jimmy Garapolo. Where do you land with him? What do you think the Niners do? I think the Niners are going to move on from Garoppolo at the end of the year.

They're going to have a huge cap savings at the end of the year, some like $20 million if they move on from Garapolo. Now, I spent a lot of time around the Shanahan's and Kyle. I think he's an outstanding coach. I think he coaches quarterbacks as well as anybody. And I've actually heard they love Garapolo as a dude. They're not sure about what Garoppolo is as a player. And when I watch Jimmy Collin, I see a guy that I think is a slow post-snap diagnosed quarterback. Doesn't necessarily see defense really well once the ball's in his hands.

I think he's got a lightning quick release. And there's a lot of instances where it looks like throws are on time and he's clicking on all cylinders. But I think some of it's just the balls out of his hand so quick, even though he's late with his decision-making process. To me, Jimmy's another one of those guys that's also hurt all the time. And so now you're sitting here saying, do we go to CJ Bethard or do we go to Nick Mullins or what direction do we go in the situation?

I think Kyle wants a guy that he can truly stand behind as a quarterback. I'll be interested where they do go. You know, I don't know if he wants a rookie quarterback in San Francisco. Do they go out and try to trade for Cousins? That's almost impossible because Kirk Cousins has so much dead money at the end of the year. A year later, they possibly could. I looked around. There's a few guys out there that you could possibly sign,

but there's no sure thing for San Francisco. Maybe they do draft, but I'll bet you they don't have Jimmy Carapola. Are you surprised that Burrow and Herbert and Tuo with no preseason are this effective? I'm kind of shocked by Herbert. I'm shocked by it. Are you? I would say I'm a little bit shocked by Herbert. I think the prototypical quarterback stuff has been there.

Everybody saw that. He's a big, tall guy that can move incredibly well, that makes a ton of throws that did a heck of a job at Oregon. I think some of the question marks were, can he really dictate and demand the huddle? Can he really manage the line of scrimmage in the NFL? And, man, he's been so much fun to watch. I'm not surprised at all with Burrow. I mean, what they did at LSU and what was an NFL style offense, I think was awesome. What he showed last year was outstanding.

I think he's every bit the ideal quarterback from what he is in the media and what he says to his teammates to how he delivers on the field. He's a guy that they're going to love having in Cincinnati. And then two is, he was fun to watch a week ago. Yeah. You know, that was interesting. It kind of came out in Miami that they have to find out what they have in their quarterback. And then it was walked back a little bit. But I don't disagree with that.

You know, Fitzpatrick's not going to be the guy forever. they're a good football team right now. There's some more to find out on what two is going to be in Miami. One really slow game and one pretty outstanding game last week. They also have a defense that scores about every game. So they don't get as many possessions. You know, it's funny. Joey and I talk about this.

Jason Taylor was her brother, obviously, the Hall of Fame. We talk about this all the time, is that well-coached teams, they don't always win, but they get better. Like I think the Giants right now with Joe Judge, they're getting better every week. And I'm like, okay, that's well, they don't have to win games because they don't have a lot of weapons offensively. And I can watch a team like Miami last year at the end of the year, Chris, I was like, they're not great, but they won five of their last nine games. And I watched them. I actually think Joe Judge and Brian Forres, and I know it's early, right? I almost feel like, okay, this works.

Like when you watch, can you tell quickly, okay, players buy in, players don't. Am I jumping the gun on Joe, Judge and Brian Flores? or do you think it works? I think you develop a culture and a standard for what you want your team to be, and then you start to get the type of guys that are going to buy into that team. There are guys. Logan Ryan, a week ago, Joe Judge said, go take care of your wife. And Logan Ryan is so complimentary.

And then a week later, he tells Golden Tate get the hell out because you're begging for balls, so you're not even going to come to the game. Right. I like that he's sure in himself. I like that he's sure of his belief of the direction he wants to take that team. And I'm with you. I don't think New York is a terrible football team. They've lost a lot of close ball games this year.

By no means are they a playoff contender other than it's the NFC East. Right. But they're not going to win games in the playoffs. That said, Judge is building something there, and I think he's a very good coach. Yeah, no, I do too. All right, Chris, Kristen, beautiful Wyoming. I hope you're a skier. Are your kid skiers?

Are you a skier? I was a skier. I had that don't want to get injured to pay back your guaranteed money clause. You know you've got to pay all that guaranteed money back, like, pre-tax, if you get hurt skiing. So I didn't want to do that. Well, you played football at Utah State, so I know you've skied in high school, right? I skied in high school. I skied in college a lot as well.

Yeah. Utah, good skiing. Yeah, a lot of good skiing. Good seeing. Good talking to you again, bud. Good seeing you. Good talking to you. Thanks for having me.

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