The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/12/2020 - HOUR 1 - Westbrook, Favre, Jimmy G, Jackson

Episode Date: November 12, 2020

The problem with Russell Westbrook is he never evolvedColin strongly disagrees with Brett Favre's recent comments about Carson WentzJimmy Garoppolo simply doesn't have a "wow" factorColin defends Lamar JacksonGuest: Drew Bledsoe Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Even some interesting NBA stuff. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, Fox or Sports Radio, IHeart Radio and FS1. Greg CoSell one hour from now, NFL meets sandwich. Joy Taylor is joining me. Tonight, NFL game, Fox, interesting, not real flashy, Tennessee Colts, but playoff spot, division title potentially on the line.

Big game, watch it. Joy, how are you? I'm great. This is a big game tonight. It is. Boring teams, but good. Tennessee doesn't wow you, but I still contend there are top six teams in the league, six-seventh. Colts have a great defense. We'll see. Yeah.

Tennessee is a good offense. So I want to start with this, Russell Westbrook. Like a lot of times, there's two stories. There's the story you see out to the media, and there's a story behind it, the truth. So there was these stories yesterday. Westbrook, Westbrook, Westbrook, he wants to leave the Rockets. Okay, I believe that. A lot of people are leaving the Rockets.

It was funny where his destination was. Westbrook to the Clippers. No, that's an agent trying to, quote, create a market for Westbrook. A really good team's interested. Ooh, the Clippers are interested. Jerry West is interested. And no, they're not. That's an agent that leaks the story so it creates a market.

Yeah, the pathetic Knicks may be interested or awful Charlotte. even the Charlotte rumor this morning. Oh, Charlotte loves him. If they do, it's for one reason. Michael Jordan has Westbrook under his shoe brand and wants to sell shoes. He doesn't want a Westbrook to look pathetic on the market, not cool. They're trying to create this market. Everybody wants Westbro.

Oh, Westbrook, very valuable. Nobody that's any good in this league is looking for a six, three and a half, guard that can't shoot. the worst contract arguably in the league and can't play with top stars. You know what's funny when you hear this stuff. I heard this for years. Oh, Chris Paul, tough to play with. Excuse me? Why?

We used to talk about Blake Griffin. We don't anymore. Why? The minute Chris Paul left Blake Griffin, I've never uttered his name until this moment. DeAndre Jordan was a thing in the NBA until Chris Paul left him. We don't talk DeAndre Jordan. Chris Paul's a winner.

He doesn't have to win titles. I mean, Shaquille, Neil, Magic Johnson, the late Kobe, Michael Jordan, LeBron have kept a lot of people from winning titles. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Warriors. A lot of guys don't win titles because you have these, you know, all-time top five players, top-10 players. Chris Paul goes to Oklahoma City with a bunch of people you don't even know, and they get to the playoffs.

I always hear that Chris Paul, is tough to play with. I don't know if he's tough to play with, but everywhere he goes, he wins. I'd love to have Chris Paul on my team. He's old school. He'll get in your face. He'll play defense. He'll yell at you.

He'll lead. He'll at a mid-range jumper. Never afraid to take a big shot or guard the time. I love Chris Paul. Westbrook I've never understood. Here's the reality with Westbrook. And now, all you people who are so mean to me, bigly, very, very hurtful, you have to admit four things.

Number one. He was never a number one. since KD left in four years. He has a single playoff series win. Number ones in this league do not struggle to get out of the first round, even in the West. He's never been a one. Number two is he's a complimentary star. He just doesn't understand it.

That's what took D. Wade from a really good basketball player to a three-time champ. D. Wade realized, oh, Shaq's better. Oh, LeBron's better. Westbrook literally joined James Hardin, and he took more shots than he took. took the year before. He's a complimentary star, not the star. Number three is he shoots too much. Last year, he took the second most shots of his career, and he still shoots four threes a game. He should be scoring in transition, driving to the basket, some mid-range jumpers. That is it. No more threes. Everybody gets that except him. And number four, because he's hyper-athletic

as his athleticism wanes, he's not only not a number one, he's probably a number three on really talented teams. I mean, he'd be a number three in the Lakers. Katie and Kyrie is a number three on Brooklyn. Stefan Clay. He's a number three on Golden State next year. He's a three. But there's a lesson to be learned here with Westbrook.

Stubborn and rigid never win in any industry. They never win. One of the most impressive things about Nick Sabin, the coach of Alabama is not that he wins football games. A lot of people have won. But these old coaches hit like 55, 60 years old. and they get stubborn. Not going to change.

My way or the highway. Nick Saban, mid-60s, about four years ago, decided, I am going to change my offense completely. We're going to spread it out. We're going to have four receivers. We're not going to be a power running game. I'm going to have quarterbacks who are mobile. They can move around.

And that's why he's the king. Westbrook's in his 30s, and he's rigid. I get people that are older and rich and successful and they're like, I'm done. I'm just going to be me. I get it. I understand it. I don't agree with it, but I get it. I don't agree with people in their late 20s and early 30s who are like,

I'm not going to change. So I think Westbrook will end up going to like the Knicks or Carolina. Michael Jordan will bring him on simply to save his shoe deal. That's what that's all about. That's about Michael, like, wants to make it feel like he's still cool and there's a market. And Westbrook will score a bunch of points and he'll be hyper-athletic and he'll, he's fun to watch. But there's a lesson to be learned here.

is that people that cover the NBA fell for athleticism. Everybody's an athlete. The NBA is absurd. Seven footers now cranking up threes. Seven footers run the floor. Seven four porzengis runs the floor like wings used to. This league's nothing but talent. Everybody can jump.

Everybody can run. Almost everybody can shoot. Hyper athleticism doesn't make you a one or a championship player. And number two is players that adapt win titles. Michael Jordan scored a lot of points. Phil Jackson took over and said, Michael, you've got to share the ball. You want to score 50 or you want to win. And Michael Jordan.

And Michael can be rigid at times, but Michael adapted. He started becoming a better teammate, started passing the ball to guys that were clearly not as good, the Kerr's and the Paxons, Tony Koo Coach, is that the lesson to be learned here, if you cover the NBA, hyper-athleticism does not make you a one. just makes you fun to watch. And the lesson to be learned for basketball players is adapt and evolve. LeBron started shooting threes halfway through his career.

He shoots more every year. He gets better every year. He was a freight train. And now he's a really cool, nimble train. You can take turns and shoot threes. Adapt is always the answer. All right. So that's maybe the last time I talked about this.

as you know on this show, as I'm a defender all things Carson Wentz, though I acknowledge he's reckless and drives me nuts and inartistic and sometimes is just frustrating. Throw a shoe with a TV frustrating. But this is more about Brett Farve, who has a weekly, like a satellite radio

show. Very few people who have ever played football are great television analysts. Aikman is, Collinsworth's really, really good, Chris Collinsworth. I think Tony Romo is really good. There's been a handful. And John Madden, and the reason is, because most people just play the game, they don't think it.

Aikman thinks it. Chris Collinsworth thinks it. Tony Romo thinks it beyond just playing, right? And Brett Farv just played it. And he was great. But we never relied on Brett Farv for insight. I mean, second year in Green Bay, he acknowledged, I didn't know what a nickel defense was. My mom knew what that was.

She hates sports. we relied on Brad for instinct. He's one of the great instinctual players ever. So yesterday on his show, he's got Nick Folls. Somebody asked him Wents, Philadelphia. He went back to this inane argument. I actually thought that they should have kept Nick Foles rather than Carson Wins, just based off of production and where they got to.

They won a Super Bowl with Foles. And that was a little bit surprising. but they're obviously banking on his upside. You know, how many more years do you let it linger before you stick with him or you cut bait? That's interesting because that's what the Packers kept demanding Brett Farve do, not linger about retirement.

So they eventually cut bait with Brett who didn't like it. No reasonable person thinks Foles, who, by the way, is two and eight since he left Philly, 13 TD's nine picks. He was over. going for in Jacksonville. He wasn't as good as Gardner Minshu. He's now bad in Chicago.

Doesn't appear as good as Mitch Trubisky. I'd love to have a beer with Brett, play golf with him. He'd probably be fun to hunt with if I did that. But we do not depend on Brett Farr for insight. We relied on Brett Farr for incredible football instincts. But he threw 60 more picks than anybody else, often in the biggest spots in games.

Greg CoSells watched film for 40 years. A couple years ago he was on the show. He wouldn't even get into a debate. He refused to discuss it at length on my show. The Foles is better than Wentz argument. It is a high-level talent at the quarterback position. Carson Wents is probably a top three or four talent in the league. Yes, I agree.

Okay? Last year, the Eagles were scoring well over 30 points a game before he got heard, and he would have been the league MVP. He came back from an ACL. Who knows if he came back too early? You know, Nick Falls, there's an incredibly wide variance in Nick Falls play from week to week. He shouldn't be in the same conversation with Carson. I agree.

So to me, this is not even worth a conversation. This is like trying to tell me that two and two is five. We don't judge Jeremy Lynn because of one great month for the Knicks. Do we? we don't listen to a band who has one really cool song and think, oh, the Beatles or even Imagine Dragon. Like we know it's a one hit wonder. There's a term for a band that has one hit. Nick Foles is a one hit wonder.

That's what he is. He's a one hit wonder. He's not even a good band. He's a band that had one really awesome hit. Nice kid. Love to have on the roster as long as I don't have to pay him. And I'm done arguing with Brett Farrv on Nick Foles and Carson Wence. No reasonable person thinks that's a debate.

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very, very legit to me. Not all the reports I'm hearing on Westbrook feel legit. This feels legit. They are looking at quarterbacks and they like Zach Wilson of BYU. Who, by the way, I saw a couple years ago. He's very clever player. You know, got the height, got the arm, moves around. Little light, he's about 210 pounds. But if you watch him play, especially with Kyler Murray and all this stuff, you look at him and you're like, okay, that works somewhere. I mean, you know, I've watched him play for the last couple of years. And my takeaway is he does a lot of these little clever. You know, he's got a little point guard in him. And it's, you know, he's a much, he's six three. So he's like got some Kyler, not Kyler the runner, but he's got some Kyler with a big arm.

He looks like an NFL quarterback to me. And so this past weekend, he played very, very well. So here's the thing about Jimmy Garoplo. And I think the bar is changing. First of all, we have a supply of quarterbacks now that there's so many. We're getting like four and five taken in the first round. There's so many. The supply is so great. And most of them are better sooner that, the bar is being raised. And I think now, here's, for a guy that gets hurt, like Jimmy Garoppolo, Aaron Rogers gets hurt, Carson Wentz get hurt, and Jimmy Garapolo get hurt. Garoppelow a lot.

You got to give me a wow factor. So Wentz and Aaron Rogers get banged up, but there is a wow factor. You watch their arms and their arm angles. You're like, okay, 99% of the world can't do that. Garapolo's problem is he gets hurt a lot and there's no wow factor. Forget the fact that Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson never get hurt. Lamar doesn't get hurt. Josh Allen doesn't get hurt in the NFL.

That's the ideal situation. But if you are a guy that gets banged, that misses time, Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold, and Carson Wentz right now is much better than Sam Darnold. But Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rogers is better than Carson Wentz. You have to give me a wow factor. You can't just be, I'm hurt a lot and I'm solid. That's done. Those days are over.

And by the way, I like Carapolo. But when he got hurt again, I'm out on him. If Carson Wentz had another serious injury again, even with his wow factor, I'm out on him. If Aaron Rogers has another serious injury, I'd consider being out on him. Like the new standard in the NFL is, if you get hurt, if Kirk Cousins got hurt, it's over. You've got to give me a wow factor. Mar comes into this league with a wow factor. Kyler's a wow factor.

Two of Sunday was a wow factor. Josh Allen's a wow factor. That's the only thing saving Sam Donald right now. That's it. That's the knock on Baker. I get inconsistency and no wow. The only thing saving Donald right now, why somebody will pick him up, there is a wow factor. You watch him athletically sometimes.

Every game, two plays. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If you get hurt, where's the wow? And with Garoppolo, I simply don't see it. Accuracy, okay. Arm, okay. Athletically, marginal. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, speaking of someone who had an injury but had a wow factor, Tua, fought back from a devastating hip injury that could have threatened his football career. One year later, he's two and O's a starter in the NFL, and he's reflecting on his difficult journey. I don't know if I'll ever be my old self. you know, because when something dramatic like that happens, you know, it's just a continuous process, I think, for me, making a decision to decide to play again or not.

So I'm just blessed to be here. He said they were making a decision to decide if he was even going to play football again or not, not too long ago. And now he is a starter in the NFL. And we were talking about this a little bit yesterday. a big part of coming back from injuries is the mental aspect of it. You have to trust your body again. And if you're an athlete, there's an added element of your job, right? Like if you or I tears in Achilles or ACL or something,

like it's going to be a huge inconvenience to our lives. I've done it as a radio producer. It was awful. Like you can't do anything at work. It's like another job. You have to leave your work and then go to rehab. And if you don't do it, you could not walk right ever again. Like it's a process, but you're likely still working or you're,

you're being taken care of in some way. If you're an athlete, this is literally your job. So it's your job to rehab and come back, but you're also not able to do what you do, which is play your sport. So there is an added level of anxiety of, am I going to be, is it going to happen again as soon as I get hit, you know, Alex Smith,

like, you know, people are watching. They feel a little bit of anxiety watching you. And a hip dislocation is, and he had a hip dislocation and a posterior wall fracture. Literally a year ago, was November 2019. Obviously, Bo Jackson is the most notable player with a similar injury, and it ended his career.

Dennis Pitta, tight end for the Ravens, suffered multiple hip dislocations and fractures in his career. And the last one ended his career in 2017. I feel like it's just a, it's a big side relief to see Tua out there moving around. And he looked more mobile than I feel like I saw him in Alabama. Because this was, I mean, even talking to Trent Dillfer, this was the fear with Tua, is that he's going to try and do things. that he's not athletic enough to do.

But in this game, he looked like he has the awareness of not only when to get down, but went to kind of even the hit that was kind of like, oh my God, they're both closing in on him. He got underneath it. Yeah, and through the record, I never bought into the Bo Jackson concerns. Bo Jackson was a power runner who took shots. Tua may, I mean, two will probably get hit once a game. But once a game you get popped. Bo on a good day was getting hit 12 times, 13 times, 15 times.

It's a hard comparison. Yeah, I so, I mean, Tua, the key with Tua, we all knew he was accurate. We all knew that. That was never the argument. The question was, where's the wow? And when you watched him instinctively in the red zone and his quick,

you know, this is what Dilfer said. He's very intellectually, physically, very twitchy. Like stuff just is very natural in short spaces. And it was like, okay,

that's what he's talking about. Like, that's what I saw. And he's not tighter the runner, but there was wow there. There were two or three wow plays. And that to me is, even if he got hurt,

I'm like, okay, Wentz, Aaron Rogers. I can deal with some injuries. I saw some wow. That was the big revelation to me. I saw some wow. And we're in a really unique space in the NFL, the quarterback position now, where the standard, like you still kind of look for the pocket passer, big guy, you know, strong arm thing. But it doesn't have to be that to be successful.

This is why I defend Jared Goff. Matt Ryan's a pocket passer. If you watch Jared Goff, you watch Jared Goff. He actually throws the ball beautifully moving. And the McVeigh moves the pocket two out of three plays. So when anybody bangs on golf, I'm like, he's not that much of a pocket passer. They roll him 60% of the plays, and he's a very good thrower of the football moving. Derek Carr is better in the pocket than moving.

But you saw this weekend. Derek Carr can move. So, you know, you don't have to be a great athlete, but can you roll the – Philip Rivers, you can't roll the pocket. You can literally not roll it. Tom Brady, you can't roll the pocket. And if you're not the best athlete, to the point with Tom Brady, how do you see the game? What is the intellectual side of the game?

Then you've got to be like way up Penn House. So Antonio Brown played 39 snaps in his buck's debut, and Bruce Ariens wants to have that number decrease going forward. He said his pitch count was a little higher than we anticipated. We tried to go two minute early in the ball game just to get some life, so his pitch count was up a little bit, but he handled it really, really well. I'm hoping we're not throwing the ball that much this week. so hopefully his pitch count goes down.

Yeah, I would say, I would say that's probably generally a good idea to throw the ball a little less. I still contend if I have Leonard Fernett and Ronald Jones, why can't I run the ball 58% of the time and pass it 42? This offense is now becoming a passing offense. Does everybody understand how talented Leonard Fernett and Ronald Jones are? That is a great running back tandem. Fernette's never gotten the love because he came out with McCaffrey, and McCaffrey is so spectacular as a receiver and runner. We forget that Leonard Fernett's still a thousand yard back.

I think Tampa Bay is losing itself a little. This should really be one of the few teams in the NFL if you said, and I know you got Mike Evans and God, I get it. But Gronks, the arguably, a top five tight-end blocker, the Iowa right tackle they got out of the draft, is a better run blocker than a pass blocker. I've got two elite running backs. Like to me, this team has lost sight of what I think they should be, which is a

control the clock, run the ball, and then occasionally go over the top to Mike and A, B, and Chris Godwin for touchdowns. Well, you've got to have some balance, too. That game plan was insane. You ran the ball four times. Like, technically it was five, but one was a kneel down. So you ran the ball four times. It's the opposite of what I think they should be.

I think the cake is the run game. I think the icing is Mike Evans A.B. and Chris Godwin over the top. Six targets each, a touchdown each. In my opinion, you can't have cake without icing. Antonio Brown had five targets, three receptions for 31 yards. Finally, the Patriots host the Ravens on Sunday night. And according to Fox Fet, New England is a seven-point underdog. A Patriots opponent has not been favored by that much in Foxborough since they hosted the Rams in 2001.

And since Gillette Stadium opened in 2002, they've been home underdogs just five. times and never by more than three points. Okay, so I haven't bet Patriot games this year. This is my favorite New England Cam bet of the year. First of all, Cam against Lamar is going to want to prove to people. I still got it. You're not the only guy that can move around. Secondly is New England's still playing high-level defense.

Go ask Buffalo, who just routed Seattle. Go ask Buffalo. Go ask the Raiders. This is a football team that's still playing good defense. This is going to be an ugly, low-scoring game, and Baltimore is going to win it. But to give New England seven points here makes no sense. I'm going to, for the first time this year, take New England. I mean, it is a lot of points.

Now, obviously, the home field is a little relative. What's the weather in Boston? If it's crappy weather, it's going to make it more of a run game. No, I'm with you. They still have a decent defense. And, I mean, obviously, they're playing the Jets, last week so you can't get too dramatic, but they did win 30, 27. Cam had just 27 to 35, 274 yards, 16 rushing yards and two rushing touchdowns.

So I didn't think of that angle, but that is kind of interesting. Lamar talked about Cam this week. It's like the OG Superman. Don't you think a little something there? If Cam was playing Kyler or Lamar, he'd be like, maybe a little older than you, but I'm going to really play inspired football. And he's going to hear all week, Cam's heard all week. Oh, Lamar Jackson's unbelievable.

The ball. And Lamar had no passing touchdowns last week. No, no, they're not going that way. He had no rushing touchdown, 58 rushing yards against the Colts who have a very good defense. All right. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

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I was saying to Joy, when I look at the personnel of Tampa, I actually see a running team that can burn you over the top. Last week, I thought they completely abandoned the run. Drew, have you ever been in a situation where you actually went to a coach and said, we don't run it enough? We're losing our identity. I mean, is that something quarterbacks do? Not generally.

I mean, we're still a little bit selfish. First of all, you know, thanks, thanks, Joy for the shout out to the pocket passers. I feel like we're kind of dinosaurs these days, so I really appreciate that. But, you know, there are times, yeah, when now I was always with defensive head coaches. So I was with Parcells and I was with Pete Carroll and I was with Belichick. They all loved to run the ball and play defense.

So I was always on the opposite side. They, hey, come on, let me throw a little bit. But, you know, when you got a guy, like we had Curtis Martin for a little while, like, why not hand it to that guy? that works pretty good, right? And then, you know, there are times when you look at it, you're like, okay, hey, look, this is working. Let's go with it.

And then there are other times, you're like, hey, this one ain't working. Let me throw it to Ben Coates a few times. Yeah. When I look at Tampa's personnel, I think they have underrated backs, and I think their offensive line, their center and their right tackle, more road graders than pass protectors. So that's just kind of my opinion. So when I watched Kyler Murray and Tua play this week,

and I've got to be honest with you. That's the most fun I've had watching a football game. all year. And I had reservations about Tua. I did. He's not very big. He doesn't have a huge arm. And he's got some wiggle, but not a ton. Were you surprised at all that his college game appears to translate very well to professional football? Well, no, he played college football at Alabama, you know, Colin. I mean, so it's not like he was going from, you know, Alcorn State into the NFL. He was playing at Alabama, which is about as close as you can get to an NFL team. But, you know, I watched him play in college.

And there are a few things I look for when I watch quarterbacks. Number one is how accurate are they? And a lot of times at these top schools, that accuracy can be hidden because guys are wide open. They got a lot of time. But, you know, I watched two a play. And he was hitting guys right here a lot. Yeah. And so that part is huge, huge.

But then you also, you look at the way that he sees the field. And he doesn't, you know, a lot of times you watch a college quarterback, though, they'll lock on to a guy. They go zone read. And they're going to throw it to that guy or they're going to run it. Well, I watched to his eyes in college. He's seeing the entire field. And so that really was not a surprise to me that his game was able to translate that quickly into the NFL game. Yeah.

What do you make of Kyler Murray, who's probably the opposite of you in terms of what you did. But I will say this, these baseball guys, I think he throws an absolutely beautiful football. And even though he may play differently from you, what do you see with Kyler? Well, first of all, I'm offended, Colin. I mean, I was pretty explosive. No, I love Kyler's game. And first of all, he's got that athletic ability that is complete and utter mystery to me. But as a pocket passer, I look at this guy, man, he throws it really, really nice.

He throws it really accurately. He's got plenty of arm strength. And he also seems to see the field and throw it on time really well. So I'm a huge fan of this kid's game, man. I really, really am. But, you know, I think Steve Young has said it many, many times. He didn't learn to be a great quarterback until he learned to work from the pocket first. And then, you know, pull it down and make those plays with his legs.

And Kyler's showing the ability to do both. I think he's got a huge future. And he's really fun to watch. You know, Drew, it's interesting. Aaron Rogers has been banged up a little bit. Eli Manning never got hurt. Aaron Rogers hurt, Farrve never was. Garoppolo hurt.

Joe Montana, not as often. Is it genetics? Is it luck? Is there a reason Brady and Eli and. Fav, you know, they just don't get hurt. And then some guys are hurt a lot. Because I sit here and I watch it if I ran a football team and I'd think, I'm about done with Garoppolo's injuries. Is he fragile? Is it his fault? Like, you played in this league for a decade and a half. Were there guys, Drew, that just, it's just, they just have high ankle sprains easier than you got him. Yeah, it seems like there,

there are some guys that just seem to be overly susceptible. You know, part of that, is just luck, as you indicated. Some of its genetics. And then there's another component to it. And Russell Wilson, who I know you love and I love, you watch the way that he plays. You don't see him get hit hard. He protects himself.

You know, Carson Wince is sort of the opposite. He's big, strong, athletic dude. But man, he gets hit hard a lot. And so there's also that component of protecting yourself and understanding that the best ability is availability. and not allowing yourself to get hit hard. And I think some of these guys have to learn that. You made four playoff appearances just as a Patriots quarterback,

and I've always believed that football, November football on, it's almost a different league. You know, September, October, it's sunny, there's no wind, you can get away with an average arm. Now you can't. Now you've got to throw the ball through crappy weather, and the strong-arm guys, the guys that can, you know, the farves. That's, you had a big arm.

So take me to how the game for you changed as you moved toward Thanksgiving. Did you prepare differently? Were there throws you wouldn't make? How did you change mid-season going forward? Because you're going to play in snow now at some point for some of these guys. Well, first of all, when I got to Buffalo, anytime Jim Kelly and I were down around Dan Marino, we like, dude, I mean, you threw the ball in Miami.

How easy is that? Come throw the ball in Buffalo in November and December. remember and then talk to me about all your passing yards, Danny. I hope you're out there listening, but, but yeah, it does, it does change. You know, it becomes more about ball security. It becomes about field position. You have to understand as a quarterback that some of those chances that you might have taken earlier in the season when the weather was better, you're not going to take.

And, you know, when you're, and then you also take, you know, like in Buffalo, for example, now you've got wind, you got some wet. and so, you know, it makes it really hard as a quarterback because if it's windy, you generally just throw it harder and you can cut it through the wind. But if it's wet, you've got to throw it softer so you guys can catch it. Well, if it's windy and wet, now you're really in a predicament. So then you just have to come back to just protecting the football and hoping that you can play some field position and win it at the end. By the way, you're one of the two or three great quarterbacks in the history of the PAC 12. You also coach high school football in Bend, Oregon, so you know the ducks very well.

Justin Herbert, to me, has been shocking. Joe Burrow, we knew who could play and would have to. What do you make a Herbert? I just, I mean, to me, he may have the second or third best arm in the league. He's a four-point biology mate. I mean, I watched that kid play, and I am like, I thought he would be good. I am shocked how good he is. Well, I think you got to go dig into the archives, Colin,

because I think we talked about these quarterbacks last year, and I'm pretty sure I predicted that Herbert was going to be awfully good. I watched him play out here a lot. I was not a big fan of what the ducks did with him. Offensively, I really felt like it was, at a lot of times, they wasted his abilities and his talents and their ducks offense. But when I watched him, it's like we talked about earlier, I watched the throws that he made.

A lot of times he's throwing the guys that were really tightly covered, but he's putting the ball in the right place. Tons of velocity. And then he has that added element. He's an athlete, too. You saw in the Rose Bowl last year. He basically won that game with his legs. So I'm really, really happy for him.

Everything I know about him, he's a great kid. In spite of the fact that he played for the ducks, I'm really cheering for him. And I think he's in a good situation. I think that the chargers are set up to put some guys around him, which ultimately that's going to determine his ceiling. By the way, double-back winery. Are you at your winery right now? I'm actually not today.

I was up there just a couple days ago. We've been doing a bunch of virtual wine tasting. So if you're ever wanting to do a virtual wine tasting, Colin, I'm your man. Doubleback. Is it doubleback.com? Is that the site? Doubleback.com. That's the site, man.

Thank you. You bet. Good seeing, you, Drew. Thanks, Colin. Talk to you soon, bud. You bet. Drew's probably in my lifetime, Warren, Moon, and Drew Bledsoe are probably the best pack 12 quarterbacks of all time.

Just raw talent. Herbert, maybe three. He's that good. I mean, he's, it's crazy. And, you know, it's funny about this. This is what you and I talked about, is that Oregon has a very conservative offense. they did. And then in the Rose Bowl, when there was no more games left, Oregon's like, okay, just do what you want to do. If you just go back and watch a replay of the Rose Bowl,

which is kind of fun. Like a guy stars in the NFL, go back and watch the Rose Bowl. Folks, he's Trevor Lawrence. He does all the stuff Trevor Lawrence. I don't even know if Trevor Lawrence is a four-point biology major. Like, this is what Trevor Lawrence going to look like. Big arm, big kid, runs well, smart. And he started for three years. So you're getting a guy with a lot of college starts. He's seen every defense. Herbert is, I mean, Burrow is good. There's no question, but nobody thought Herbert was going to be this. I think he has now, he leads the NFL in 300-yard passing games.

There was no preseason. The bowl game sold it for me. Like, go to the Rose Bowl. Wisconsin had a great defense. Flummoxed them for three and a half hours. They couldn't figure out what did he was making guys miss all over the field. The Rose Bowl is like, when you watch the Rolls Bowl now, if you went back today and watched it, you'd be like, oh my God, of course.

He was so much better than all the other players on the field. And he won senior bowl MVP. So again, nobody watches that. We're not watching the Senior Bowl. But if you go to the Rose Bowl, you're like, Wisconsin could not stop him. And Oregon runs a conservative offense. They don't have great NFL receivers. They don't have great NFL tight ends.

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and one of the things he talked about, he said to Rich Eisner in the show, he said, hey, Rich, I'm hearing people call. stuff out when I'm at the line. Like, he's going to run, he's going to run, he's going to run. Well, let's just be honest about that. Everybody does that with all the quarterbacks. That's what middle linebackers do. That's not because Lamar Jackson's totally predictable. If he was totally predictable, he wouldn't be 25 and 5 in his last 30 games. That's not a knock on Lamar Jackson. Everybody's calling out stuff to everybody.

That's what you do in the NFL. Teddy Bruske used to face Peyton Manning, and he said he was talking the whole game. He'd throw stuff out there just to confuse it. The whole game, they're guessing. So I'm not knocking Rich for the question or Lamar for the answer, but that happens all over the league. I am not going to just sit here and defend Lamar Jackson on numbers because I'd crush you. The two losses this year are to Pittsburgh and Kansas City. So Baltimore has lost to teams with the record of 16 and 1. I'm not going to use that. I'm not going to use the fact that if you take out games Lamar Jackson has played in his career,

not against Patrick Mahomes. He's 25 and 2. I am not going to use that. I'm not going to mention that. In the games he's started, 30, he's 25 and 5. I would not dare be so superficial to mention that. Here's what I'm going to mention. Here's the numbers I'm going to mention.

It's all about winning to me, right? Winning and staying healthy. He does both. A lot of comparisons have been made to Colin Kaepernick, who, like, shocked us with his running ability. Better runner than thrower got to a Super Bowl. And I've heard comparisons. Ooh, Kaepernick.

Kaepernick had Greg Roman as an offensive coordinator. Lamar runs better. than he throws. He's Kaepernick. He's got Greg Roman. It's the same kind of offense. Lamar Jackson is so much better than Kaepernick on five levels. So I put up Kaepernick's best year 2013. He was great that year. I was his best year. And Lamar's best year. Folks, it's not close in anything. Lamar is a significantly better thrower. 66% completion of 58. one guy was 21-8, two-to-one touchdowns, right? Lamar was 36 touchdowns, that's six picks.

One pass-er ratings 91. The other's 113. One rushed for 500 yards. The other for 1,200. He's a better runner. He's a better thrower. Here's the other two things. And I say this as it sourced.

I had a source for a year, no, two years, in the quarterback room for the Niners when Kaepernick was there. Lamar loves football loves to play it loves to talk about it loves to work out likes to train likes to practice

Lamar loves football Campernick was hit and miss my buddy that was in the film room was like some days he loved it sometimes he wasn't into it what did Jimmy Johnson tell us on Monday passion's everything do you care remember Jimmy Johnson

was talking about what kind of coach is are you smart do you love football John Gruden says that only guy that's ever loved football more than me is Andy Reid Campernick didn't love football on a daily basis some days he did some days he didn't. And that's from somebody who trained him and was in the quarterback

room. Lamar loves it. Secondly, they have different personalities. Lamar's a leader. People like Lamar. People like him. His teammates defend him. Jay Glazer came out a year before Kaepernick was known as controversial. And he stated, and Jay Glazer doesn't miss on this stuff. Cameronick didn't have a lot of allies. He'd often eat lunch alone. He's kind of an odd guy. He's a different guy, a different personality. So not only is Lamar a much better thrower and a much better runner and much more consistent and a much better winner. He's much more passionate about it. He loves football.

I mean, you watch Lamar. I mean, he'll incomplete a pass on third down. He is so upset. Like he gets, you see him. He's like stomping his feet. He cares so much about winning. Kaepernick never quite had that. In fact, it's not quite.

Kaepernick just didn't have that passion. I mean, Brady's in this thing for 20 years. He's still screaming and yelling at people. That's somebody that loves football. Lamar loves football. Some of these guys, they like it. A lot of guys, Tony Gonzalez always says, a lot of guys in this league like what football can do for them.

And they like football. Pays well. They don't love it. Hall of Famers mostly love. And the trajectory right now for Lamar, excuse me, he keeps winning. He'll get the Hall of Fame votes. And the other thing is,

leadership, and I can't quantify it, but it matters. Lamar's a leader. I'm not going to give you the 30 starts, 25 wins. I'm not going to give you the 27 games. He's not faced Patrick Mahomes. He's 25 and 2.

I'm not going to give you the numbers. He's 16 and 1, the teams he's lost to this year, 16 and 1. I'm not going to give you those. I'm going to give you leadership. I'm going to give you a passing. If you're going to compare him to Kaepernick and still fight for Kaepernick to get a chance, Kaepernick's not in the same galaxy. Not in the same galaxy.

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