The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/16/2020 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: November 16, 2020

-The Seahawks couldn't win a game without Russell Wilson-No reason to worry about Lamar Jackson losing to Belichick in a monsoon-The Cardinals turnaround couldn't happen in any other sport-Tom Brady g...ot a huge break-Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrongGuest: Michael Vick, FOX Sports NFL Analyst Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:39 This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening today. Thanks for joining us. We're on Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio, and FS1. One hour from now, Colin was right, and Colin was wrong. Plenty of both today. and Joy Taylor is joining me on a Monday. The weather is now becoming a factor in the NFL, which is just another element to this league,
Starting point is 00:03:04 which is the world's best league, I think. Joy, how are you? That was brutal. Last night. At the end of the game, when you couldn't even see them, we have the most amazing technology, right, in the world. You cannot see them on the field. It was insane.
Starting point is 00:03:20 And Lamar actually threw the ball about as well as he's thrown the ball. It's incredible. So I'll get to that in a second. So, you know, it's interesting. Sometimes I'll make a prediction or you will make a prediction or Joy or John will make a prediction. And it just takes a while for it to happen, right? Like you're like, I always joke my wife, she'll walk into a restaurant and she'll be like six weeks. It's not going to work.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Feng Shui is bad because she used to work in that industry. And, you know, the restaurant will survive for a while. But over time, she has the ability to kind of, having been in that business, go, this doesn't work. The menus off. The bathrooms aren't clean. It's going to be about six weeks to eight weeks, and it'll fold. And I felt like with the Seattle Seahawks, the first month of the year, first five, six weeks of the year, my prediction was this franchise now doesn't do much well outside of Russell Wilson.
Starting point is 00:04:12 He's the life preserver on a failing organization. Now, finally, week nine, you see Seattle, they're becoming what I thought they would become. It's why I like the Rams this weekend. ask yourself, what do they do well outside of Russell Wilson? The Rams do a lot of things well. They're clever offensively. I'm not sure there's a team in the NFL deeper at tight end and wide receiver than the L.A. Rams. They're 31 and 0 when they lead at half.
Starting point is 00:04:40 McBey is. They play well from behind. They play well from ahead. They have the best fourth quarter defense in the NFL. They have the best corner in the league, the best defensive tackle in the league. The Rams do a bunch of things. If Goff had to sit, have the best puncher in the league. If they had to sit golf for two weeks, you figure they could
Starting point is 00:04:59 win a game. Could Seattle win a game in this league without Russell Wilson? Pete Carroll's defense, that cover three now is obviously the league has figured it out. They gave away the farm to get Jamal Adams. A player I like, but he's a safety. Their last two first round picks won, Rashad Penny is an absolute bust at running back, and the linebacker from the big 12 is not playing much. What do they do well? You tell me because I don't see it. So you can blame Russell Wilson, but this happens all the time. I used to say this about the late Kobe Bryant when Shaq left.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Kobe wanted to be the man. He didn't want to be the only man. They had to get him Powell Gasol. If you have a good corner like the Rams do and you can shut down D.K. Metcalf, what do you rely on? The running backs are always hurt. The tight ends aren't dynamic. The offensive line is very mediocre outside of left tackle.
Starting point is 00:05:53 they have no pass rush. They don't have a lockdown corner. They've got a couple of great defensive players, but there's 11 guys on the field. They've got two stars. What do they do well? The Rams have better special teams. The Rams have a better offensive line.
Starting point is 00:06:07 The Rams have a deeper wide receiving running back and tight end core. The Rams, I think, have a much better offensive coach. This is what I thought Seattle was going to be this year, which is good but not special. I've had two NFL GMs tell me this in the last two years. And these are good GMs. These are loaded rosters. We can never figure out what the hell Seattle's doing on draft day.
Starting point is 00:06:32 What are they doing? It makes no sense. And Bucky Brooks came on last week. And we talked about Pete Carroll's defense, which, by the way, it's gotten progressively worse year after year. Here's what Bucky said about it. When the Seattle Seahawks went on that glorious run early in 2010, when their defense, the Legion of Boom, was playing at a high level.
Starting point is 00:06:52 They did something that was unconventional. They played a cover three system that was very simple. It was something that you would see in high school games on every Friday night, but they did it better than anybody else. When you see the Seattle Seahawks have success, every team in the league started stealing from that. So now more teams get used to seeing that scheme. More teams get used to understanding how to defeat that scheme.
Starting point is 00:07:16 And so you have to continue to, ball. Seattle is one and three against winning teams. Because winning teams, Buffalo, Arizona, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, winning teams do multiple things well. Miami, great special teams, terrific defense. What does Seattle do well? Russell Wilson will take the heat today.
Starting point is 00:07:43 He is a life preserver. I don't think this team can win a game in this league. Kansas City lost Mahomes last year for games. They can win games. They're still competitive. I've seen Miami win games this year with Tua and Ryan Fitzpatrick. I don't think Seattle wins a game in this league without Russell Wilson. Go ahead, blame him.
Starting point is 00:08:00 What do they do well? Kansas City does multiple things well. Steelers. Miami, Buffalo. Russ is cooked. If you have a good corner and it can take D.K. Metcalfe out, Russ is cooked. All right.
Starting point is 00:08:15 So Lamar Jackson. One of the reasons people don't like to take risks or chances is because if it fails, people will call you an idiot. People are afraid of being called out. So most Americans take a safer path. And that's okay. If that's good for your anxiety levels, you just don't want to get ripped. But you want to know how you get rich in America. And I don't just mean financially rich.
Starting point is 00:08:47 but how you get rich and enriched is taking chances, separating yourself from the pack. Now, even the biggest risk takers, the Elon Musk's, the Steve Jobs, have failed massively. But Baltimore takes this risk with Lamar Jackson. He's a better runner than a thrower. And a lot of people want to be right. And every time Lamar loses, that doesn't work. It does not work. But yet Josh Allen losing.
Starting point is 00:09:18 who is more like your classic quarterback, big, big arm mostly throws. I never hear anybody bail on Josh Allen. Lamar Jackson lost to Bill Belichick in a monsoon in Foxborough. Why would I change my opinion on him? I look at the stats. He was good on third down. He dominated time of possession. He was 24 or 34 and a 99 quarterback rating.
Starting point is 00:09:41 He lost to Bill Belichick in a monsoon. Okay. This is interesting, though. So first of all, Belichick deserves credit. He had Buffalo on the ropes two weeks ago, and he just beat the Ravens, and he was a play from beating Seattle in Seattle earlier in the year. New England's not tanking. They're, that Belichick's good enough to win games.
Starting point is 00:09:59 But here's a prime example. There's a lot of things I worry about with young quarterbacks. Sam Darnold can't stay healthy. Baker Mayfield, their coaches have taken the ball out of his hands. I worry that Joe Burrell will never get support in Cincinnati. I worry that Justin Herbert, the owners will never pay $9 million a year for a big-time coach. I don't worry about Lamar.
Starting point is 00:10:21 He's dynamic. He's passionate. He works hard. He's pissed when he loses. He's got a good coach, a great owner, Steve Bouchade. They have a very good defense and they draft exceptionally well. I don't worry about him. But it's funny because the more conventional quarterbacks, we don't dump on as much.
Starting point is 00:10:38 But here's what's interesting. So Lamar has faced Belichick twice. And in my lifetime, no coach gives young. young quarterbacks, worse games than Belichick. In fact, that's not even arguable. I think he's like, I think he's 28 and 3 against the like rookie quarterbacks in the last like 20 years. Josh Allen of Buffalo and everybody's still in on Josh has faced him four times. He's been awful three of them and bad once.
Starting point is 00:11:06 He faced him two weeks ago. Josh Allen two weeks ago, no touchdowns a pick, a 65 pass rating 11 for 18. You didn't bail on him. Lamar has faced him twice. Last night, Lamar goes 24 or 34, 250 yards, and 98 quarterback rate. Well, I mean, in a monsoon. But it just goes to show. This is why people don't take chances.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Because with Lamar, every time Lamar has a bad game, y'all bail on him. It's like, I worry more about Joe Burrow ever getting legitimate support. Cincinnati's an organization that refused. I don't even know what the latest is. They wouldn't even build an indoor practice facility. Have you seen the weather in Ohio? We're not even the December yet. There was a high school,
Starting point is 00:11:54 Mulder High School is a legendary football program in Cincinnati. Legendary High School. They once had a coach Jerry Faust, Notre Dame High School from high school. They had an indoor practice facility. The Bengals didn't. I worry about Joe Burrell getting support. Listen, I live in Los Angeles. I know the people.
Starting point is 00:12:10 I know the Spanos family. all this, but I worry about them committing fully to a world-class coach or finding the next Brian Flores or Joe Judge. I don't worry about Lamar. Lamar's fine. He's different. I thought he threw the ball in a monsoon. He worked better than 90% of the windshield wipers worked last night in New England.
Starting point is 00:12:29 But it's funny that when you take a chance and something's a little different, every time he struggles or loses, I didn't think he struggled last night. He just lost. They couldn't finish drives. We bail on him. And to me, this is what. people don't take chances. Because if you do,
Starting point is 00:12:46 and by the way, nothing's linear. I mean, even if you don't take, even if you take the classic quarterback, you know, the Peyton Manning, the Eli Manning, the classic pocket quarterback, they have bad games, bad years, bad stretches, but nobody calls you out for it because that's the safe
Starting point is 00:13:01 pick. That's what we know. That's history. But if you take something that moves a little, throws a little quirky, is a little different who runs a little, man, the wolves come out every loss. And I look at Josh Allen, he's awful against Belichick. I look at Lamar Jackson, who's younger than Joe Burrow, and I'm like, oh, he's good against Belichick, he's fine, he's one-on-one.
Starting point is 00:13:21 It's not man overboard. He's never unraveled. He's different. But listen, as Cam Newton said after the game, Belichick, he's just good, and he's really good in monsoons at home. Listen, everything that coaches throughout the week, it tends to come. come up and, you know, I'm beginning to think he either has like a Staples easy button or a Buffalo Wild Wings button or just a straight direct line to the football guys because he's like
Starting point is 00:13:54 a football whisperer when it comes to anticipating what the game is going to be like, how we need to win and things like that. Joey and I talked about this Friday. You just knew all week that Cam and the Patriots, no chance Baltimore is going to roll. Cal was efficient. New England did what New England did. There's never been a game that I can remember that I watched the weather as it started. And I thought, oh, this is going to be, this is literally that Belichick, if he was a meteorologist, a globalologist, or whatever they call people, if he was a Doppler, if he was a human Doppler, he literally, that is the weather that you would want in New England to beat the Baltimore Ravens. You couldn't see. It's perfect New England weather. Lamar's fine.
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Starting point is 00:18:42 Most guys don't want to play in Memphis or Charlotte. They like to play in L.A. LeBron liked L.A. Magic liked L.A. Shack came to L.A. Kareem came to L.A. Markets matter. In the NFL right now,
Starting point is 00:18:53 here's where the five best young quarterbacks are playing. Cincinnati, Arizona, Buffalo, Kansas City, and Baltimore. Beyond not flashy. Like, no, think about that. Oh, by the way, the most talented guy, maybe in Green Bay. And for a long time, the most accurate guy was in small market in New Orleans. Oh, by the way, some think one of the greats of all time played in Indianapolis, Peyton Manning. You know, if the NFL was the NBA, the Cowboys, would just go get the best players.
Starting point is 00:19:24 But they're a wreck right now. And Arizona's fascinating. So that's the first thing that makes the NFL great. It's not about money. It's not about market size. Draft the right quarterback and get him a good coach. and you become Miami really fast. Arizona is a remarkable story.
Starting point is 00:19:40 But here's what I love about Arizona, and their general manager, Steve Kime, did something that men struggle with. I'm seeing it a lot in politics. A real man can admit when he's wrong. Just own it, fellas. Haffy in the country. Just to own it.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Steve Kime admitted I whiffed on my draft picket quarterback. I'm going to redraft a quarterback. That's what Ryan Pace and Chicago couldn't do with Mitch Trabisky. He couldn't admit he whiffed. Everybody knew 10 games in. You whiffed. Steve Kime did what men don't like to do
Starting point is 00:20:17 and GMs hate to do in pro sports. You know last year's first round pick? You really whiffed on that. Start over. That to me defines a man. Like that's one of the things to me. Oh, I just whiffed. I just made a mistake.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Not going to hide, I'm not going to, you know, hide behind. Development. I mean, we, the offensive line. No, Josh Rosen and Kyler Murray. It's not close. It's nothing against Josh, but it's not close. This whole thing in Arizona, think about this. One year ago, Steve Kimes was on the rope.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Cliff Kingsbury couldn't win in college in the crappy Big 12. Forget the NFC West. One year later, they get the right guy, Kyler gets better, and here's where we're at. And it all starts with the general manager who just owned it. He's like, hey, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this Kyler Murray guy's not as good as Josh Rosen. I'm not going to do that.
Starting point is 00:21:20 I'm not going to pretend to make me feel better. I am going to roll the dice on a college coach who got fired by his alma mater because the world's changing. By the way, he also did this with his coach. Remember he hired Steve Wilkes? Like one year in, he's like, I made a mistake. I'm starting over. Got a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:21:39 I made a mistake. This league is about coaching quarterback. He moved off both positions in one year. Nobody does that. That's not the way the NFL works because general managers are trying to protect their arses. But the fact that Arizona, we can all give Kyler Murray a pat on the back and he's great. He's great. But the GM here twice with the two most valuable positions moved on.
Starting point is 00:22:01 off them in a year. That does not happen in the NFL. People try to defend their draft picks and their coaching picks forever. And that's when you unravel. That's when it's like, okay, year three with a bad coach, that's three bad drafts, bad. It happens. Hiring coaches in this league is a 50-50 proposition at best. Brian Flores mostly doesn't happen. That's not the way it usually works. You give a guy a coaching job. He's never been a coach even in high school. And two years in, you're like, Is he the third or fourth best coach in the NFL? It's not the way it works. It's not the way it works with Tom Coughlin.
Starting point is 00:22:35 You hire a guy from Boston College and he beats Belichick and Brady twice in the Super Bowl. It doesn't work that way. It usually looks a lot like what Cleveland's done for the last 25 years. Just a couple years doesn't work. New guy doesn't work. What the Jets have done for the last 25 years. Four years. Like Pittsburgh is not the way it works in this league.
Starting point is 00:22:54 New England's not the way it works. So I just think it's if you look all the young, quarterbacks are right now. NBA and NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball, this would never happen since the Arizona, Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore. By the way, do you want to see, here is that Kyler Murray to D-Hop play. Here's the, here's the radio call, Cardinals Radio. Murray back to throw, flushed out, rolling left in trouble, slips a tackle, got to launch it. He does, left side, into the end zone, jump ball, and it is, is it caught? Is it caught? Oh my goodness, it's The Andre Hopkins caught it.
Starting point is 00:23:31 He caught it for a touchdown. With one second left, I can't believe it. You've got to be joking me. Once again, Arizona's game was the best television product in America. If the Seahawks games are all weird, the Arizona games are all riveting. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Michael Vic, now joining me. Brought to you by Mercedes Ben's the best or nothing.
Starting point is 00:23:58 It's so interesting because, Michael, I'm looking around the league now, and I see a lot of Michael Vicks. I see guys who aren't the classic 6-4 and guys that can move. Let's start with this. I defended Russell Wilson today. I said, take him off this team. How many games are they went? I can tell he's pressing.
Starting point is 00:24:15 So let's go back. I'm not sure if it was Atlanta or it was Philadelphia. You had a team that couldn't stop anybody. And I want you to take me. Was it Philadelphia back about six, seven years ago? It was Philadelphia 2012. And you couldn't stop anybody. Tell me what it's like when you're a quarterback,
Starting point is 00:24:35 knowing you have to win by shootout. You feel like you've got to do everything. You feel like the onus is on you. To pass it, to run it, to direct the offense, to lead touchdown drives. You almost feel like you've got to make up for what the defense is not going to do. That season, I can vividly remember being 3 and 1,
Starting point is 00:24:56 getting off to a good start. I was cooking. I was playing well. Even the guys around me was playing well. Even with the offensive line shuffle that we had going on, we was holding it down. And the defense was doing the same, but you could still see the flaws.
Starting point is 00:25:13 And, you know, it was a lot of high-scoring games. And it started out well, but it didn't finish. Well, we finished four and 12. We started out 3 in 1, and then we lost a bunch of games. But I just felt like I had to do everything. I had to be perfect. And I know Russ is feeling that. It's a natural thing as a quarterback when your defense is not playing as well.
Starting point is 00:25:32 And when you're getting knocked around and getting hit, you start trying to do too much. Become careless with the football. You start throwing into traffic. You start trying things. And, you know, it's sort of a natural progression, you know, as a quarterback to try to, you know, play the hero. And I know that's what Russell is doing right now. It's unfortunate. But sometimes this is how the game go.
Starting point is 00:25:53 So I'm not worried about Lamar, Jeff. Jackson. He lost a Bill Belichick and a monsoon. I think the Ravens have other issues. What is your take? Because we loved Baltimore last year, but I don't think the onus is just on Lamar. Are there things that you worry about? Do you worry about Lamar? You know him very, very well. What do you worry about them? I don't worry about Lamar. When I look at the game last night, you know, Lamar was very efficient in the passing game, even though it was a monsoon coming down and it was inkling weather. I was never a good pass of the football in the rain.
Starting point is 00:26:26 You know, Lamar has a big hand, so obviously, you know, the grip was there. He threw the ball well. He ran it well, over 300 yards of total offense, but Bill Belichick has a way of taking away the things that you do best. What I am concerned about with the Baltimore Ravens is the run defense. Yeah. The Patriots is physical at the point of attack last night, and, you know, we know we talk about all the time.
Starting point is 00:26:50 The team who has the most success in the run game, is going to have the direct correlation to winning the football game. So, you know, I'm not worried about Lamar. I think they need to pick it up in a couple different areas. But I honestly say this. If it was a dry night last night, I think they would have had a better chance of winning. And there was some drops and some plays that wasn't made.
Starting point is 00:27:10 It was the fumble that Ingram had that, you know, it's not on Lamar. It's on the offense as an entirety. So, you know, they just got to keep pushing forward and kind of put the game last night behind them. Yeah, that's how I feel. So the one guy that runs around in this league, I think you're much faster than Russell Wilson, but I watch Kyler, and I do see some of Michael Vick.
Starting point is 00:27:34 You know what I mean? Like you weren't the classic 6-3 guy. You would outrun defenders. Russell doesn't outrun defenders. Russell, you know, he runs smartly, but he doesn't outrun anybody. Kyler outruns dudes. When you watch Kyler Murray, what are things, I mean, are, Do you watch him and think, man, he does that better than me?
Starting point is 00:27:55 Do you see yourself on him? You know, I put myself in Cala's shoes, and if I would have had that spread system, spread offense, because the offense, he's running, it looks fun. You know, it's dynamic. You know, it's totally throwing defenses off. And, you know, obviously you have to have the right guy behind the center in order to make you working. Cal is that guy.
Starting point is 00:28:17 He, you know, he's got exceptional speed and quickness. You can't see him behind the offensive line. And then when he raises up the throw, he's throwing a football accurately. So, you know, this guy is going to take the league by storm. He's going to continue to play and ascend in the right direction. He's going to continue to get better. Sky's the limit for this guy. And Arizona, you know, is in really good shape in terms of their schedule
Starting point is 00:28:43 and the future of a Kalimari and quarterback. I see a lot of him and me, man. But, you know, I will say he's doing it a lot better. Well, I think you said something that's interesting is that he is hard to see behind the line. Like there is a deception part to Kyler Murray that's real. Now, Tua is not being asked to do as much. But I got to tell you, in terms of judgment, you know, a lot of this league, Michael, is, and you've been there, you have a quarter second.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Whatever it is, Tua makes really good, quick decisions. What do you make of the dolphins and Tua so far? I think starting with Tua, you know, on top of him making good decisions, it's his vision. You know, somewhere like Kyle Murray, you know, you know, us guys in that six feet of less category, we got to be, you know, good decision makers, but we also have to have the vision because we're not 6-3, we're not 6-4, we don't drop back and just see things developing. We got to see it pre-snap, and we got to see it.
Starting point is 00:29:49 it happening as we drop and as the play is going on. And it's not the easiest thing. You know, you got to naturally find passing lanes and that's what tour is doing. Yeah. And it's acquaintances, accuracy. So I think all that bottled up together makes him who he is. And the fact that, you know, he's, he's left-handed doing it, makes it even sweeter for me to watch. But this kid is just, you know, he's a diamond in the rough. And, you know, we was talking about a couple weeks ago, him being on the audition. Well, I think he's past that audition. I think the Miami Dolphins can move forward with him.
Starting point is 00:30:24 You know, fortunately for him, they have an incredible defense. You know, I think they're excelling all three phases of the game. And all tour has to do is just do his part. And, you know, from the decision making, you know, he was the same way in Alabama, through the ball, accurately made good decisions. And, you know, it's a direct parallel right now to the NFL. He's doing the same thing. It's been no drop off.
Starting point is 00:30:46 So he's only going to continue to get better. He said the game is getting easier for him. And hopefully it continues to stay that way. Yeah, you make a really good point. It's like Alabama. Throw 25 times, complete 18, don't make any picks. Alabama's always got great defense. There is a parallel between what Brian Flores is about.
Starting point is 00:31:05 And by the way, Brian Flores is a Belichick disciple. Nick Saban's a Belichick disciple. It is, and I'm sure there were phone calls about this. I think you're right, too, is doing the Alabama thing. So, all right, Michael, great seeing you, 13 years, four Pro Bowls Michael Vic. Thanks, buddy. Thanks, God. One more herd. The herd streams
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Starting point is 00:31:39 which we thought they would. Christian McCaffrey was out. Carolina is a total rebuild. And they'd come off a horrible performance the week before. So you knew they were to have a very focused week of practice, Tampa Bay did. But they also won because Drew Breeze has banged up for about three weeks. So think about this. Do you know who's going to decide this division?
Starting point is 00:31:57 Not Brady. Not Breeze. Not Matt Ryan. James Winston. Because in the next three weeks, the Saints would James Winston play Atlanta twice. And Atlanta's hot. They've won three or four. Start looking at New Orleans schedule.
Starting point is 00:32:12 They'll beat Denver. We know that. They're going to beat Denver. Denver's not a good football team. but they play Atlanta twice the next three weeks, and James probably starts both those games. And it's going to be very interesting. Remember, I said this last week about Tampa.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Tampa, nobody, I don't care who it is, including the Steelers. Outside of the Chiefs, I wouldn't give any team in the NFL a shot. Even with COVID, where there's no crowds, to win back-to-back-to-back road games, especially if it's against good quarterbacks and good coaches. And in the NFC, you got a lot of good coaches and a lot of good quarterbacks. Tampa Bay is not going to win. three straight road games as a wildcard team. They have to win the division.
Starting point is 00:32:50 They've got to get a home game. You can win a couple roadies. Remember, the Super Bowl's in Tampa. And if you win the division, your first playoff games in Tampa, you can win road games. But you're not winning three straight roadies. So they need a break. They got it. Is that now Atlanta is on fire and Atlanta plays the Saints twice and the Saints are on a backup
Starting point is 00:33:11 quarterback. If it was Teddy Bridgewater, like last year, I'd feel great. With James, I don't know how I feel. He could be very good. But when I watched this division, the two things that jumped out to me with Tampa, they got a bit of a break here. They really did get a bit of a break because you know they won't be as efficient with James as Breeze. Why would they be? He just got there. There's no preseason. He hasn't had the snaps. He hasn't had to practice snaps. So it's not going to be great. And Atlanta right now offensively is really, really good. But the two things I didn't like about Tampa, they corrected both of them. I think
Starting point is 00:33:44 this is a power football team. I think this is cake and the passing is icing. This team last week was all icing and no cake. They wouldn't run the football. I thought yesterday Ronald Jones and Furnett, they figured it out. We're really very capable of owning the clock, running the football about 55, 57% of the time. And I thought Tampa went back to that, which of course, once they did, opened up all the passing lanes for Godwin, A.B. Gronk and Mike Evans. That was the first thing. And the second thing I noticed is when you give Brady protection in a running game, they're really, really good. So the key for Tampa is going to be, is their offensive line able to create a running game and give Tommy time? Because when you have a running game, they can't cheat.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Nobody pins their ears back. The linebackers have to play the run. And so I think they kind of solved two issues. They went much more power, which gave Tom more time, which opened up all they're passing. And they got a huge break. So like the Atlanta Falcons and James Winston are going to control this division. And in the next three weeks, we could have a new leader. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.
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Starting point is 00:35:34 I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions. my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement
Starting point is 00:35:51 to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.
Starting point is 00:36:10 The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim?
Starting point is 00:36:46 Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.
Starting point is 00:37:06 I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you're just so, y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. So, you're finishing that sentence. And yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, learn the hard way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games.
Starting point is 00:37:40 And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing.
Starting point is 00:38:00 And we're still chasing it, and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns. Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro.
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Starting point is 00:38:36 Every Monday, I admit, where I will have some right. some wrong. Here we go. Where Colin was right. I've been very streaky on Blazing 5 this year and I had a great week. I took the Giants to beat the Eagles straight out. I thought Tampa would roll convincingly Carolina. I thought the
Starting point is 00:38:53 dolphins would keep it rolling and I everybody likes Seattle and I didn't. I said if Jared Goff is comfortable the Rams always win I picked and by the way I'm 6 and 1 on RAM picks this year so I'm now up to 24 wins, 25 losses and a tie I've already seen the numbers this week. Not sure
Starting point is 00:39:09 if they're as good as last week, which I said was the best numbers this year, but they're good. Where Colin was wrong. I've been selling this whole rebooting thing in New England all year, and I thought they were going to be a five-win team, but are now four and five. And the reality is outside of the Steelers in Kansas City, this is a league of good, but not special teams. And they play defense. And with Cam and bad weather, they run the ball. And they're pretty efficient. They're not going to, they had Buffalo on the ropes two weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:39:37 they had Seattle on the ropes, is that when you have a league with a bunch of good teams, go to Foxborough with bad weather, Bill Belichick, you got a young quarterback, he makes it rough. And they did. They may be rebooting, but they did dominate time of possession. They ran for 175 yards, and they're still a very effective team if they can get the right circumstances. Where Colin was right? I said it last year. Week two of last year, I said, you've got to.
Starting point is 00:40:07 to watch this kid in Arizona. I said, I know you all love Mahomes. I've never seen a quarterback play like this, Connor Murray. I said, I'm the only guy that doesn't live in Arizona that watches every snap of the Cardinals games. Now the rest of you are seeing. I've never seen a kid play like this. He's not Russell Wilson.
Starting point is 00:40:25 He's way faster than Russell. I mean, he runs, he's like a running back. He's like 30% Russ, 50% Michael Vic. I think he's more entertaining to watch than even Mahomes. I think we've seen quarterbacks that share some of Mahomes' traits. I said it week two last year. I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen a player like this in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:40:50 He's not the best player yet. But his style, there is no comp. And it's not Russell Wilson. That's not it. Where Colin was wrong. Getting harder and harder to defend Carson Went to the Eagles. Listen, yesterday they ran the ball really, really, well. So he had a running game. He had some of his receivers back and he had no touchdowns in a 73
Starting point is 00:41:11 passer rating. I also think Doug Peterson got worked by Joe Judge. But he's got to be more consistent. Yesterday it wasn't hero ball. He just missed on some throws. And again, I like him. But look at that throw. That's just a bad NFL throw. He missed open guys yesterday. I mean, that's a terrible throw. I thought Daniel Jones was fantastic yesterday and looked by a long shot. shop like a significantly better NFL quarterback, significantly better, more accurate, more zip, more athletic. You know, I still like Wince's talent, but it's not clicking us. Somebody said in our show last week, Chris Cooley, the former Washington tight end, he said,
Starting point is 00:41:52 I don't know if this fits. And after yesterday, I'm like, I don't know if it fits either. Where Colin was right. I've been on this all year. Tampa's a power running team with really good perimeter weapons. Yesterday, they finally commit to the running game, and what do you get? Ronald Jones is an A running back. He can have an occasional fumble problem, but he is great.
Starting point is 00:42:12 And Leonard Fournett is a really strong number two. Gronk's one of the best blocking tight ends, and it's an above-average blocking offensive line. This is a run team. They should be running 55 to 56% of the time, not throwing it 60% of the time. And I like their receivers. But yesterday when they finally committed to the run, what do you know? All the receivers had great games.
Starting point is 00:42:36 So I think Bruce Ariens and Brady are struggling, identifying what they are. And I thought for the first time this year, maybe the second time, I'm like, okay, they're getting it. They should be a power running team with the ability to, and by the way, did you notice Brady yesterday through a lot of deep balls? Didn't connect on a lot of them. But Brady is seeing it. When the run game is this effective, you have, it sucks everybody up to the line. and it creates huge over-the-top opportunities. Now, he didn't hit on them yesterday,
Starting point is 00:43:06 but that's what they should. A power-running team that'll go over the top, not a team that goes low percentage over-the-top plays to start games and then can't run because they're behind. Where Colin was wrong. I said all summer, Drew Locke, I think he's going to pop. I see some special here. He ain't it.
Starting point is 00:43:24 You know what he is? He's got the Baker-Mayfield issue. He thinks he's a lot better than he is. So he's loose. He's kind of cocky. He plays like he's better than he is. So he lacks a sort of humility when he plays. And Baker's got this.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Baker thinks he's more athletic than he is. Whereas Tua, I think, is starting to get, like, there are limitations to what I can do athletically, so I have to be super accurate. And Drew is way too loose, way too sloppy. This doesn't work. I mean, he had 10 picks in five games. And I don't, it's really bad early.
Starting point is 00:44:01 in games, where he should be on script, where he should have things he knows he can do well. He gets himself into huge holes every week with bad decisions. Where Colin was right? I never felt Baker was the number one pick. I said Baker Mayfield's a complimentary piece to a really good running game, and Cleveland's finally figured it out. Cleveland yesterday, now obviously weather was a big part of it. When they rushed 30 or more times, Baker's 5 and 0, fewer 1 and 3.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Baker Mayfield was a second to a third round talent. he is a complimentary Case Keenham piece. You can win games with a very good coach and a sturdy defense and a great running game. That is when Case Keenham has flourished. Have you noticed with Cleveland? This bad weather actually plays into Cleveland's hands. They're allowed to take passes off. Don't have to worry about any grumbling.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Run the football. It's when Cleveland's at their best. Where Colin was wrong. I've always liked Jim Harbaugh more than everybody else. this isn't working. Now, I will say in defense of it, James Franklin's a good coach. His team's a mess this year.
Starting point is 00:45:04 PJ's a good coach. His team's a mess. Some of this is, the Big Ten is all over the map. But you can't keep getting blown out. Wisconsin had the deal with a massive COVID outbreak. They couldn't practice on their schedule. And they hammered Michigan.
Starting point is 00:45:23 And they can't get the quarterback right. I can't figure that out because Harbaugh. you would think of all the positions as a former NFL quarterback and an alpha would get the quarterback right. But it's not working. Again, what do they do well? What do they do well? Right now, Michigan does nothing well. Where Colin was right?
Starting point is 00:45:45 Said a couple weeks ago, the New York Giants are the best bad team in the NFL. They're the Miami Dolphins of last year. Everybody bailed on them in September. This is a good football team. and stop banging on Daniel Jones. He's really, really effective if you give him any time to throw. He throws a beautiful football. He doesn't have a huge arm.
Starting point is 00:46:09 He's a very effective runner. And Dave Gettelman, you guys all crushed him for that OBJ trade. He won that trade. They got Dexter Lawrence, an excellent defensive lineman. They ended up getting, Jabriel Peppers, is a box safety who's third on the team and tackles, good on special teams, and a starting guard. Cleveland didn't get much out of that deal. The Giants won that trade.
Starting point is 00:46:31 They are absolutely fundamentally the best three and seven team in the NFL through 10 games I've ever seen. If this team had more athletic ability on the perimeter, they're kind of pedestrian on the outside, I think they can win a playoff game. I just don't know if they have the next level. Where Colin was wrong. I have been very critical of the Lakers front office. I got to give him credit. Reportedly, they have landed Dennis Schroeder, a point guard.
Starting point is 00:47:02 He's really good. He's athletic. He's only 27. He's an average double digits since his entire career. He'll give you 18. I thought he was at times their best playoff performer for OKC. It's a very nice piece. And the Lakers are absolutely better.
Starting point is 00:47:15 And according to reports, they gave up a 28 pick in this crappy draft. And Danny Green, who I like, but he's old and he's expensive. This is a really. really good deal if it's consummated by the Lakers. It makes them younger. It makes them more athletic. It makes, they got a playoff experience guard. And he's a double-digit score. This is what he's been in his entire career. This is a really, really good get for the Lakers if Rob Polenka can pull it off.
Starting point is 00:47:45 I saw that story this weekend. I'm like, are you got to be kidding me? Because what they don't really have at point now, they need younger legs. They've got to be more athletic. and now all of a sudden, Avery Bradley comes back with Dennis Schrooter. Now, that's a formidable back court with the best front court, LeBron and A.D. in the NBA. So now all of a sudden, now that team, then this Laker team, it's like, oh, Avery Bradley, Schrooter, Kuzma, LeBron, AD. All right, that feels like a championship team. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite.
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Starting point is 00:48:39 We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
Starting point is 00:48:56 Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:49:19 On the Look Back at a Podcast. For 1979, there was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me I'm Sam J and I'm Alex English Each episode We pick a year unpack what went down
Starting point is 00:49:30 And try to make sense of how we survived it With our friends Fellow comedians And favorite authors Like Mark Lamont Hill On the 80s It was a wild year
Starting point is 00:49:40 I don't think There's a more important year for black people Listen to look back at it On the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts A win
Starting point is 00:49:50 A win is a win I don't care what you're saying Yep, that's me, Cliford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:50:13 So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at Tickford. Podcast Network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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