The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/23/2020 - HOUR 3 - Burrow, 3 words

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

Update on Joe Burrow's injuryThree word game: Colin describes the NFL games over the weekend in 3 wordsGuest: Tony Gonzalez Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good stuff. First two hours flew by. Howie Long, Trent Dillford, Peter King, and a Monday. We're doing this in a radio studio for the next few days. Abundance of caution. I was on a Sunday football show for Fox. Somebody had tested positive, so I've taken three or four tests since then all negative, but can't go back into the building for a week or two, so we'll see what happens. Abundance of caution.

Joy Taylor is joining me, and Joy, how are you this morning on a Monday show? It's flying by. I'm doing good. It is flying by. I'm looking forward to tonight. It was a big weekend of football and really looking forward to the Thursday games as well. Some good ones. So, you know, it's so funny because everything in sports is to avoid dynasties.

You know, if you look in pro sports, if you're number one, you draft last in the first round. But the reality is there's just 5% of America is either smarter, works harder, better funded, has geographical or revenue advantages. And there's dynasties in every business. Retail. Our whole government doesn't want a dynasty. Amazon owns retail. three or four companies, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, own tech. Dynasties happen.

You can't avoid them. And it's just the reality of it. When the Lakers get rolling, it's a more appealing brand. And this weekend, I think LeBron James now is the deepest team he's ever been on. The Lakers went out and stole Montrez-Harrell from the Clippers, a six-man of the year, Dennis Schroeder, second-place six-man of the year, Mark Gassall, a Morris twin, is back, right now the Lakers today go nine deep. They could actually start a game without LeBron and win.

They could start AD, West Matthews, KCP, Dennis Schrooter, Montres, Harrell, and bring Mark Nassau, Kyle Kuzma, Alex Caruso off the bench. They could win a game. I'm not saying they'd be a big playoff team. They could win games without LeBron. This is the best deepest roster he's ever had. Miami had three stars, but no size and shaky at point card. This team's got everything.

Schroer can give you 18 points a game, 27-year-old starting the team. You've got Mark Gassal and AD are both big, excellent low-post defenders. Gassal's also a great passer. LeBron's the best player in the game. AD could be the second or third best players. You've got Star Power. KCP had a very good bubble playoff. They are loaded.

They got younger. They got deeper. They got less crazy. Rondo and Dwight Howard are out. They'll shoot the ball better this year. And I look at it this morning and I'm like, I don't think LeBron's ever had eight other guys on a team. I don't know if he trusts Kuzma, but Gassau, Montrez-Herald, A.D.

West Matthews has hit playoff shots. Like, it's a real basketball team. And once again, the Lakers look like they're defending champs and they are stacked. They are stacked. So, unbelievable weekend for the Lakers. And it's, you know, the Dodgers just won the World Series. They've won their division seven straight years. They went and got Mookie.

Who's dominating college football? Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame's real good. You know, it's like if you look at tennis, we've had men's dynasty. Serena was a woman's dynasty. It's the same four or five great international soccer teams. It doesn't matter if it's retail, it's tech, it's sports. You're always trying to avoid, you know, unfair playing field. Same team.

You look at Kansas City right now. They're not going anywhere for 10 years. Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, good luck. If you get the right people, you put them together. There's just a finite number of people who are truly great at their job. Right now, the Chiefs have several. And what a weekend for the Lakers. I mean, that is a, they are stacked.

My other thought from the weekend was, my wife uses this saying sometimes. she'll say, I'd rather adjust to your absence than be frustrated with your presence. She told me that line the other night. We were just talking about sometimes if you're in a company situation and you just somebody doesn't work. And she's like, you're better off adjusting to their absence than being driven crazy by their presence. And this is why Carson Palmer years ago for the Cincinnati Bengals said, I'm going to retire if you don't trade me.

I'd rather adjust to life without football than be annoyed being a member of the Bengals. Trade me or I'm retiring with years left. And that was Carson Palmer's ultimatum. I'm just not going to do this. I'd rather adjust to a life without football than deal with this nonsense. And that's why I said with Joe Burrow, I said, be very careful. I never forget when he got drafted and they took a shot of his family. I'm like, he doesn't look that happy.

It's the Cincinnati Bengals. It is not a coincidence. The Browns, the Lions, and the Bengals have been a train wreck for 20 years. It's not a coincidence. Not great owners. Owners that won't pay for elite front offices. Elite front offices, they don't have them so they don't find the elite coaches. The best people in the NFL want to work with the best people.

Right? Like the best people want to work with the best people. And so you get these franchises that nobody's going to take. No really high-end football coach is going to take to the big. Engels job. Why would you? They don't pay. They won't pay for a top GM. If I'm a coach, you get a Zach Taylor. You're not getting to Sean McVeigh. Sean McVeigh had options. You get a shot, Zach Taylor. It's not like people were lining up for Zach Taylor. And that's what you get with these, like the Lions. What elite coach is going to go,

if Urban Meyer was on the market, you're going to tell me Cincinnati and Detroit get the first call or the Jets? And so I always say this. In the NFL, be very careful about firing your and turning over, turning over, turning over, turning over, because it turns off people. Great coaches want stability. And if you're constantly firing coaches, I mean, nothing against Kevin Stefansky. But it's not like he's an A-plus candidate for a coach. He may work.

Same with Zach Taylor, Matt Patricia. You kind of get what you get. So I watched him this weekend, and I like a lot of these young quarterbacks. Tua's look good. Herbert's look good. Josh Allen's looked good. Kyler Murray's looked great. Joe Burrow looks good.

But the one I worry about, the one I worry about is Joe Burrow. That's what I worry about. Cincinnati has no history of supporting a great young quarterback. Prove it to me. Carson Palmer was the last great one you had, and he won it out. By the way, Joe Burrow, latest from Adam Schaefter, the MRI to Joe Burrow revealed more damage than anticipated. He tore his ACL, he tore his MCL, and suffered other structural issues in his knee as well.

You go to a better team, you get a better coach, you get a better O-line. There's just four or five teams in the NFL. You get a B-minus coach. You get a C-plus GM. They don't, I mean, again, the best scouts in the league, they don't want to work for the Lions. they don't want to work for the Bengals. They don't want to work for the Jags. And so it's just, that's why I say in the NFL, who's your owner?

Who's your owner? That'll dictate everything. You got a good owner. He'll get a good GM and the GM will have, hey, look at my owner. We have stability. I mean, it's no shock that Andy Reid gets fired in Philadelphia. Where does Andy Reid go? Andy Reid had $20 million in the bank.

Where does he go? He goes to Kansas City. The Hunt family's excellent. Brett Veach. Like Kansas City has a history of not winning a bunch of Super Bowls, but being stable. Of being a stable franchise. So I look at Joe Burrow and the news is lousy this morning and it's like,

this is what we worried about. Bengal nonsense. This is what we worried about. I don't worry about Tua getting benched. I don't worry about Justin Herbert. Most of these young guys, I don't worry about Kyler Murray. Cincinnati, I told this story last week, years ago, A local high school football team, Mulder High School in Cincinnati, had an indoor facility.

The Bengals didn't. T.J. Husmanzada has come on this show before and said he got there. They shared jockstraps. That's what they did. They shared jock straps. They didn't have gatorade. You had to just find water fountains. I mean, that's the organization's history.

So I said, if I'm Joe Burrow, I would have pushed back. Eli Manning pushed back. Elway pushed back. And they were both rewarded. Sad. Toracel, MCL, brutal. I actually DMed him last night, Joe Burrell. It made me sick to watch him.

It just made me sick to my stomach. And again, it's not like second-guessing. This is like first preaching. Everybody knew it was good. We're all saying it. This is brutal. It's going to be Andrew Luck. Give him the playbook.

Save us. Brutal. Just ridiculous. Trent Dilfer. Oh, my God. Did he deliver a bombshell in the second hour? We'll revisit that. coming up.

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That I looked to was Keith Jackson. Remember him? Yeah. Yeah, he was my guy that I looked up to. I used to watch all his games. And then when I got into the league, I started looking at Kellan Winslow, Kate. Because, you know, he's a little bit before my time. I was born in 1976.

he was in the early 80s. But yeah, Keith Jackson was my guy. He was the one who I really looked up to. Why did you choose football over basketball? Because you played for the, you were a good basketball player. Well, I don't think I chose, it chose me. I wasn't good enough to be a basketball. I was good, but I mean, I couldn't.

Football, they were like, hey, you'll be a first round draft choice. Basketball? I don't know, kids. Maybe you'll make a team. But you'll be floating around the league. So I kind of was just one of those things. I loved the, you know, actually I loved. basketball a little bit more. I like football a lot, but it was like, hey, for your future,

if you really want to have a chance to do something great, you've got to go play football. So it was kind of like one of the – it's kind of an easy decision, actually. So the Steelers have the defense, the Chiefs have the offense, but both are good on the other side of the ball. If the Steelers play the Chiefs today, who would you like and why? Oh, God, that's the great matchup, right? That's what we hopefully see in the AFC championship game as of right now. But I would say – I'm going to go with the Chiefs, and not because of the play for them. I mean, right now the way Patrick Mahomes is playing, no matter what happened, it seems like they are always in a position.

It's like when they got the ball last night, you just knew they were going to go down there and score. It was way too much time with that offense. He's in such command of it, and Andy Reed is in such command of calling plays right now. It's so much fun to watch. But I just, that's what scares me about this Chief's team right now. It seems like they're in the same position they've been in the last two years. And, you know, two years ago when he won MVP, Patrick Mahomes, they lost in the playoffs because they couldn't stop anybody in the AFC championship game. And then last year, the defense kind of started to figure it out and played well enough.

And hopefully that's what happens now. But I really like Pittsburgh. That defense looks great. But I don't think anybody right now can stop the Kansas City Chiefs on offense. They're the best offense in the league. Yeah. You know, you were lucky. First of all, you played for Atlanta.

they were smartly own and smartly run. And though you didn't win championships in Kansas City, historically, it's been a well-run organization. You know, so I think you've done better than most in terms of your coaches, your quarterbacks, your owners, your GMs. But I look at Joe Burrow and I say to myself, I feel bad for that kid because, let's be honest, if you would have gone to Jacksonville, there are places, Tony, you could have gone, and you would have been a decent player, but we would have never talked about you.

because you wouldn't have had like a Matt Ryan to get you the ball. Like, did you ever have friends in the NFL that played for lousy organizations? And what was it like for them? Did you talk? Did you have friends like that? I don't know about friends. I remember, God, I'm blanking on his name. He played it at Hardy Nickerson.

I'm sorry. Yeah. So he's a great example of that guy who's just so underrated at the linebacker position, one of the best ever play. but most of you haven't heard of him because he played for an organization that wasn't good at the time. And that always kind of scared me a little bit. And Kansas City, we were always good. We were never great, but we were always pretty good.

I was able to stay on the radar a lot of people. But yeah, those type of players, I look at them all the time. And I know a lot of people don't like it. But when you rock the boat a little bit, when you say, hey, I'm tired of losing, we need to get out of here. that's when you get traded. If you play good guy and you keep your mouth shut and you keep your head down and you try to say all the right things, the team's just going to keep you. I don't know if I'm making sense here, but this is what makes squeaky wheel gets to oil.

So those type of players and those organizations, it's kind of like what happened with Eli Manning when he was like, I'm not going to go to San Diego. I'm going to go to the Giants and I'm going to go win two Super Bowls is what happening. It was like the best decisionary. It's unpopular at the time and people can frown upon it. But those type of organizations, it is what it is. You got to get out of there, or they better do something drastic to prove that they're going to go the right direction. Otherwise, I say you try to get out of there.

Yeah, I mean, do you regret not being more outspoken early in your career because the chiefs were having quarterback issues? I don't know if I regret it, but I guess I kind of do. It is what it is. But I did finally figure it out because I asked for that trade in Kansas City towards into my career. And the only reason I did that, because I really did only think I had two years left. And I was like, I cannot do this anymore. I'd rather retire than keep losing because I'm never, because my window is closing. And I finally stood up and spoke out and said, hey, I went out of here.

And of course, the backlash came where Kansas City still to this day, there's people in Kansas City that don't understand that. And they can't, they don't like that. They don't like me because I ask to leave. but you have to do that. You have to think somewhat selfishly when it comes to your career because next thing you know, you can be like, well, damn, I spent my whole career and I never had a chance to go out there and do something great.

Yeah. So, yeah, people get mad at players, though, for that. They get mad at Tio or they get mad at these players that are outspoken. But in the end, those players, they do get traded, and they do end up on good teams. And it seems like it works out half the time for these players that are loud. Tony Gonzalez, the Hall of Famer. So I was watching one of the games I got right.

It doesn't happen very often. I picked the Colts to beat the Packers, and the reason I picked it is because I thought the game would be ugly, and in the second half, just the Colts literally were a different team. They just 14 play drive, 10 play drive, 8 play drive. And it's funny, Tony. You've got to take me here. You only have 15 minutes halftime,

and you probably get about seven to talk. how can the Colts spend all week in a game plan, not play well for a first half, talk for seven minutes, and then totally change their identity. What the hell happens at halftime in seven minutes? Take me to your career. Did you ever go in half time getting your butt kicked? You'd make a little adjustment,

and you're literally dominant for the next hour and a half. Yeah, the answer. Because it happened so many times. I don't know if it's the fire and brim speech because that happens periodically where the coach will come in and just tear your butt apart, the team apart, saying you're playing like crap, you're not being physical, you're missing your assignments, you're dropping. And then the team will go out there and turn it around. But I've also been chewed out at a half time we go out there and we play even worse. But I do think that's where the really good coaching comes in. That's where Bill Belichick shines.

Andy Reid shines. It seems like they're going to go on to halftime and make that adjustment. And like, okay, this is where we keep consistently getting beaten. Let's address it. But there's also a spiritual shift, a soul shift at halftime that can happen too as well. And that comes from the players, the leadership to go, hey, guys, we're not playing. But like, we're the damn right now. What the hell's going on?

Let's go out there and turn it on this second half and get back in this game. And, you know, that's probably. what happened with the Colts because they did. That was two different teams from one half to the next. Yeah. So players often talk amongst themselves, but they don't talk to ownership or a GM. Do you think if you really sat down with Carson Wentz and said, dude, off the record, like a teammate, do you think he's probably once out of Philadelphia, the papers are killing him, the talk shows are killing him, the Nick Ful's statue, he lost Frank Reich, his coach. like I look at Carson Wentz right now and he's just he's lost and I think he's talented

Sam Darnold's talented that's not working do you think Carson Wentz deep down knows it's not going to work in Philadelphia or do you think he's still buying into everything crossed his fingers hoping it does well if he's if he's buying into everything and just going blindly hey it's going to work out it's going to be great that that's that I believe you can't you can't have you have to question the direction of your franchise. What are we doing? And what's realistic?

And how much time do I have left? Can I be part of a rebuild? Do I want to be part of that rebuild? Or do I just want that fresh start? You have to ask those type of questions constantly. Otherwise, you take the risk of just descending into mediocrity and through a career that you look back and go, damn, what the hell happened?

I look at back at my decision. I loved my time in Kansas City. loved it. I loved the people. I did not want to leave. But at the same time, it was at that point. Like, I don't know how much time I have left. I don't know if this, I don't believe the franchise is going in the right direction with the hires that they just made. And it turned out, I was right. And it turned out of the and I was right. And, you know, I'd been around long enough at that point. I knew what would make a good team or a bad team. And, and, uh, and I had that hunch. And I turned out to be right. And I'm glad I was able to get out of there. I still, but I didn't take away from the love I had of Kansas City. And looking at Carson Went, he's. He's got to ask. He's himself those questions. He's got to be honest with himself and go, is this the best position for me and the team? I mean, I don't want to stay here and be mediocre, and I'm sure the team doesn't want me to stay here and be mediocre. Maybe they need a fresh start, too. I mean,

it's not a totally selfish thought for him to ask that maybe I just need to get out of here. Maybe I need to get the hell out of here and get a fresh start, and they'll be better for it, and I'll be better for it, and we both can win. Yeah. You know, it's funny. In New Orleans this weekend, and there was a story that some of the players thought James Winston's should have started. And Sean Payton was like, no, I'm going to start, I'm going to start Tayson Hill. And Tayson played very well, and he's very quirky. He's like a better version of Tebow.

He's a better athlete. He throws better. But Tebow won seven straight games until people saw enough film on him and saw, okay, this is what he can't do. It's like Kaepernick. Once you saw a film on Kaepernick, you can figure him out a little bit, but the element of surprise, unique works. And Tayson's Kaepernick, Tebow. It's very unique.

Nobody else played the position. like that. Were you ever, it's funny that any player would second guess Sean Payton, but players tend to think they know as much as coaches. Are you surprised he went with Taysam Hill? And did you ever doubt a coaching decision before a big game? Yeah, of course. Of course you doubt that. You look at, I mean, we've all been around. I've been playing this game a long time and you have your opinions and you say, okay, well, I've seen what this guy does in practice and do you really think this is going to work? I am with Sean Payton for going.

First of all, you paid him. I don't think he had any choice. You have to start Payson Hill because you paid him way more money than you did Winston. And obviously you saw something in him. I didn't think he was going to play as well as he did. He played a lot better than my expectations, but you're right. I think now you've got the tape on him. You know what he's comfortable with.

You know what he likes. He's better prove that he can throw that ball down the field to go along with those legs of his making those plays. But he's part of that new quarterback, that Tyler Murray, that Lamar Jackson, that running, like you said, Tintibo, except he can throw a little bit better. But I applaud Sean Payton because a lot of people were second guessing him. But he stuck to his guns and obviously he showed he was right. But I can't wait to see what happens from here on out. Tate Mill, the tape's out. Now let's see how you follow it up. He threw the ball better than I thought. I'm watching some highlights here. He actually threw the ball better than I thought.

He did. I'll give him cry. And they dropped some balls, too. Yeah. I would say that. Like, you know, you could tell the balls that they did drop, those balls were coming in hot. Yeah. A little mustard on that because they're used to probably do Breeze throwing that ball without all that touch. I mean, he's probably one of the greatest touch passes in the history of the NFL.

And now you've got this rocket cannon arm. A guy's going to have to make that adjustment. But he threw the ball really well. It was impressive, man. He did way better than I think anybody expected. Yeah. The Hall of favor, Tony Gonzalez. Fox Sports. Good talking to you, bud, in the Monday.

Yeah, yeah, take care, but I'm going. Yeah, Taysamill was better than I thought. He was. You know, he's Tibo, but if you look at the physical, he's faster than Tibo. So Timo was always like a 4-7-5 guy. Tebow was a good athlete, but he wasn't a great athlete. Michael Vick was a great athlete. So Taysam Hill's a great athlete.

He's fast, and he throws a better ball than Tibo. So when people used to fall in love with Tivo, my takeaway was always like, well, what does he do great? He's not a burner. He's not. like a tight end that runs. He'd be a, he wouldn't be a, he'd be a, like, he doesn't run as well as Travis Kelsey. He wouldn't even be a fast tight end. And that's not a knock on, Tebow.

He's a great college quarterback. But the NFL, you're asked to make harder throws downfield and Taseham Hill made him yesterday. It's like, all right, it's better than I thought. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, sad, sad news, Colin.

Joe Burroughs incredible rookie season is over. He got an MRI today, which revealed more damage than when's originally expected. He reportedly tore his ACL, MCL, and suffered other structural damage in his knee. That's awful. So his season is over. It is awful. I mean, obviously it's awful when anyone gets injured. But, you know, I love Joe Burrow coming in to the draft.

Obviously, had an incredible season last year with LSU. showed almost immediately that not only was he the future of this franchise and clearly a franchise quarterback, but he is one of those special players that he could actually elevate a team all on his own. Now, obviously, as this injury has shown, he needs pieces and help around him, as is everyone, but he has that extra special something that he doesn't need everything to be perfect. He's a playmaker and he's a winner, and he won over the locker room and the franchise and fans right away.

clearly a leader. It's just really sad. You never want to see a guy's season go down like this and, you know, he's leading and rookie of the year. And it's just, it's just devastating. It's, it's sad. And, you know, I don't know how this changes and turns around for him next year either. You know, he tweeted that, you know, he just can't get rid of him that quickly and, you know, thanks to love, he's going to be back next year, see you next year. But he was sacked 32 times and hit 77 times this season. Both are third most in the lead behind Carson, and Russell Wilson. Carson Wentz has had his share of injury situations. And Russell Wilson, like, we know what he's dealing with there. They're just kind of in a little bit of different

situations. But Bengals are great at 26th and past blocking and 12th and run blocking this season, according to pro football focus. I just don't know how dramatically that changes next season. Like if you're Joe Burrow, after you recover from this, which obviously he will, how are you looking at the franchise and what they're going to do moving forward? Well, here's the good news. Drew Brees, John Stockton, Tom Brady, and Michael Jordan, all had really bad injuries to their legs, or what, three of them to their legs, Drew Brees to his shoulder. So we have a history of guys having really ugly injuries early, getting rehabbed and returning and having and being better than ever. So, you know, Jordan missed a year, broke a leg or a foot. And so this stuff happens. The difference is, I just don't know if I trust the Bengals. And I have every reason to be cynical because I've watched football for the last 40 years. Oh, yeah, that's totally what I mean. I mean, I think he's going to come back the same, if not better.

I mean, guys have injuries. The NFL you're going to have injuries. It may end up being a blessing that he had this type of injury earlier in his career as opposed to later. But to your point, what are the Bengals going to do to improve the situation for next year? We don't want to see another Andrew Luck type of career situation. They have to make some dramatic change. changes. Not only does he deserve that, but I mean, the organization, the fans deserve that. Like, you went all in and got the guy. You have the quarterback now. So make the moves, be aggressive

in the offseason to put pieces around him, to protect him, and make sure that he can be successful there. Otherwise, if I'm Joe Burrow, I'm going to start having conversations very early in my career about getting out of there. So the Cowboys finally snapped their four-game losing streak with a 31-28 upset over the Vikings. Zeke Elliott led the way with his first 100 rushing yard game for this season. And Annie Dalton threw for 203 yards and three touchdowns in his return. He was all fired up on the sidelines. The Cowboys are now tied with the Giants and Washington at three and seven behind the first place Eagles. So the NFC East is Eagles at three, six and one. The Giants at three and seven, Cowboys at three and seven, and Washington at three and seven.

If you took an all-star team from that division, I would argue it couldn't beat the Chiefs. I'm serious. There's a couple of defensive linemen for the Washington. You could have a good defensive line, a great defensive line. That organization, Joy, is just four dysfunctional families. Now even the Giants coaches are fighting. Yeah, I mean, you could definitely put together, you could put together a solid defense, I think, with. Fletcher Cox.

Yeah, Dexter Lawrence, Fletcher Cox, Chase Young, Ryan Carrigan. I mean, even some wide receivers as well. But, yeah, I mean, if you're looking at, you're looking at the quarterbacks in the division. You look at the offensive lines in this division. The running games in this division, especially now, you know, the Giants are really Giants and the Cowboys, Zeke's not been running the same, and Saquan-Barkley is out for the season. But if you look at the rest of their schedules, the remaining schedules, I mean, the Eagles have the Eagles have the worst. They have Seattle, Green Bay, New Orleans, Arizona, Dallas, and Washington. They're not going to go to the plan.

Their next floor games are absolutely brutal. Giants is a bit lighter. Cincinnati, Seattle, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Dallas. I like that. You could go fight. I think they could beat, they'll beat Cincinnati, Arizona at home, Cleveland. The way Baltimore is playing in Dallas, I think the Giants can win, one, two, three. They could go four and two. They could become a seven and nine football team.

Absolutely. I think Washington might have the easiest remaining schedule, but I just don't trust anything that's going on in Washington because they have Dallas and Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, Carolina, and Philly to finish out the season. I mean, this is not a great division, and it's going to be a one and done in the playoffs for whoever does win it, but it's going to come down to the last week likely for this division. So finally, we are here in Los Angeles, and the Lakers have been very busy in free agency and made some big moves this weekend. They signed reigning six-man-the-year Montrez-Harrell to a two-year deal. They brought him Wesley Matthews on a Wednesday,

one-year deal and Marcusal has reportedly agreed to a two-year deal as well. They also re-sign Contagius Caldwell Pope. Obviously, they traded for Dennis Schroeder last week. They did lose Rajan Rondo and Dwight Howard in Free Agency and traded Danny Green and Jabelle McGeefe, but have clearly re-uped their roster. And Marquith Moore's tweeted today that he is also returning to the Lakers. He tweeted, run it back, hashtag Lake Show. The rich get richer.

I like the aggression. I like all of these moves, actually, and especially the Montres-Harrell move is just, my favorites, obviously, are Montres-Harrel and Dennis Schroeder, but a lot of good pieces that they added to a championship team. Well, it's the deepest team, I think LeBron's had in terms of, you know, the two things we complained about last year with the Lakers is they felt old, so they got younger.

And the second thing was, do they have a third score? Well, now, Schroeder of Montres-Herald, you've got to score off the base. bench and a third score. So they solved their, because they did feel creaky at times last year. They felt old. Rondo and Danny Green now, they're both gone. So now I've got Kuzma's pretty young. KCP's in his athletic prime.

Montrez Harold is young. I would say Schrooter's in his athletic prime. So I got four really athletic guys with a lot fresh legs. I feel like this morning it is a deep. And LeBron doesn't love young players, Joy, but it's like, it's a really, really nice mix of young athletic guys and smart veteran guys. Well, he doesn't like young inexperienced players that haven't figured out the league yet. You know, these are young players, but they know how to be role players.

They know how to contribute without, you know, the egotistical problems. They know how to be coached. And one other thing that they like about the, I like, about the moves that they made, is one thing that we liked about the Clippers, other than just their depth, was that their toughness and physicality. Well, you added Montrez-Harre's Harold. you added Marcus Saul and you have Wesley Matthews.

These are great moves that add a lot of muscle to your team as well. So I love what the Lakers are doing. Yeah, great weekend for them. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Sometimes in sports, you'll see teams.

Rams did this a couple years ago. They start adding pieces and you're like, how do they afford all this stuff? It's Rob Polenka. Managing the cap. Nice job. Tip of the cap. Three-word game on best for last to close out.

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We call it the three-word game. I believe you can succinctly describe every NFL game in three words when pressed, and here we go. Philadelphia, Cleveland, where's the sun? Three straight games at First Energy Stadium with weather issues, but the Browns are seven and three through ten games. That's the best in 26 years. Nick Chubb has missed several games, but it's his fourth with 100 plus rushing yards. And when he runs and runs well and he did, big run in the second half, they win. Detroit, Carolina, Detroit Mock City.

First shutout in the Matthew Stafford era, he was sacked five times against a rebuilding franchise where most of their talent is on the offensive side. Bingles, Washington, Borough deserves better. Most completions and pass attempts in the NFL, not as a rookie, as a quarterback. 13 TDs, five picks with a bottom five offensive line. Adam Schaefter tweeted, tore his ACL, his MCL, worse than expected. Tennessee, Hail the king. King Derek Henry, 133 rushing yards. He not only leads the NFL in rushing yards, he leads in yards attempt. There's no reason to hold off on him.

Attempts in yards, he's the king of the NFL. Atlanta, New Orleans, 6 and 0. That's the Saints record last two years. Teddy Bridgewater 5 and O. Taysam Hill 1 and O when Breezes out. The Saints have a seven-game winning streak. It's the longest active streak in the NFC. They just hammered Atlanta.

They've hammered the bucks twice. And Taysam Hill doesn't make a ton of mistakes. Helps the defense, and that's why they chose him. Pittsburgh, Jacksonville. Big versus Mac. Mike Tomlin said this isn't a Big Ten versus Mac game. Yeah, it is. Here's what's remarkable.

In the storied history of the Steelers, I find this remarkable. This is the first time they've been 10 and 0. I can't believe that. I grew up with unbelievable Steelers teams in the mid-70s. For the record, Chase Claypool, rookie receiver in the Super Bowl era, first receiver to score 10 plus touchdowns in his first 10 games. games. Patriots, Texans, all on Deshawn. First win for Houston against the non- Jaguar opponent. Deshawn Jackson or Watson, excuse me. Watch, are we going to show the run into the

end zone? Good God, did he take a shot? Twenty-eight to 37, 122 passer rating. The ultimate life preserver. Is this it? Oh, what? That is just, oh, my Lord. Lord. Deshawn Watson was on his game. Jets Chargers, haircut, didn't hurt. Justin Herbert at 277 passing yards in the first half alone. A career high, 366 passing yards. He is the first rookie quarterback ever. This is something with two plus touchdown passes in each of. of his first seven games.

He is really special. Dolphins Broncos, tough for Tua. Listen, 11 for 20, 83 passing yards, sacks six times. They went three and out five times and eight drives. And I do believe with Tua, he doesn't have the arm of Herbert. He doesn't move around like a burrow or a Josh Allen. There's a way for Tua to win in this league, and that is get great defense. he didn't get it as well played from behind high altitude cold weather probably the coldest game

he's ever played in not good for two of cowboys vikings shock of day first time the cowboys have scored 20 plus points in the game since deck press got left they pounded the football 180 rushing yards and i thought they were clever andy dalton played well cd lamb played well i thought Dallas came in with a little bit of an offensive identity. We're going to run the football. And I thought in the red zone, some really clever play calling. So, I mean, the team has fight. They look prepared.

Minnesota's defense isn't what it has been the previous three years, but nice performance. Packers Colts packed it in. Green Bay dominates the first half and scored just three points in the second half in overtime. That was a key fourth down that Aaron Rogers missed on. A little more hurried in the second half. Colts had a 14 play drive, a 10 play drive, and an 8 play drive. And I won't blame Aaron for this. He just sat on the bench and watched most of the second half. At some point, quarterbacking is about rhythm and timing. There's no way in the world.

And by the way, after that 14 play drive, he was 3 and out. After the 10 play drive, he was 3 and out. They just never saw the ball in the third quarter. And by the time the fourth came around, they'd lost all momentum. Finally, Kansas City in Las Vegas, too much time. Chiefs got the ball back, trailed by a field goal with a buck 43 left in the fourth. Mahomes drove 75 yards on seven plays. Mahomes accounted for all 75 yards. That's what he does in one of the most entertaining and well-played quarterback games.

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