The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 11/24/2020 - HOUR 1 - Buccaneers, Arians, Bengals

Episode Date: November 24, 2020

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I'm doing the radio show, the TV show from the radio studio because of an abundance of caution. We had a little Fox Sunday stuff. We had somebody test positive, even though I've tested negative three times a week since then. We're just going to be cautious. I'm going to move over to the radio site today tomorrow yesterday. Joy Taylor, how are you? I'm great.

That was a great game last night. Not quite the ending Tom Brady was looking for. No, yeah. You know, it's interesting. So, and Joy, I think you and I are like in this regard. I and it's just is it DNA is it parenting I don't know I'm not a stubborn guy like if something doesn't work I move off it because losing's embarrassing nobody likes to lose in sports in life nobody likes to lose so I don't really get stubborn people that go back to the same old thing when it doesn't work is it ego is it I don't know what it is I don't have it in me I can't explain stuff that I don't embrace and so social stubborn guy I don't get. I never have. Politically, I'd vote either side. Candidates bad. I'm not, I'm not in Cub Scouts. I don't wear a hat and a uniform. I'm not 12 years old. I'll go to the

other side. If something's not working, I'll go to the other side. I own me. You don't own me. I'm always trying to be flexible because I want to win. Last night, Sean McVeigh, flexible coach, Bruce Ariens, inflexible coach. I'll give you an example. So it wasn't a person. It wasn't a night for the Rams. They went on the road. They could not run the football and they forced their young quarterback to throw 51 times. That is not ideal in the NFL. On the road, good defense. Throw it 51 times. You have no running game. But Sean McVeigh does something, Ariens does it. Number one, McVeigh always moves the pocket. What's it do? It keeps the defense on their toes. he has a lot of motion and deception slows down the defense keeps him on their toes

and if the running game's not working and the protection suboptimal they have a lot of safety valves and dump off plays Bruce Ariens let's do more deep balls 66 plays by Tampa six had motion I mean at some point Bruce Ariens look around the league put guys in motion, be deceptive. I know you can't roll the pocket with Brady, but you didn't roll it much with James Winston, who's much more athletic than Brady. 66 plays, six were in motion.

And I watched that game last night, and my take it was that was a coaching mismatch. Tom Brady was one for nine with two picks on throws over 15 yards. That's not what works for Tom Brady. That's never been what works for Tom Brady. Tom Brady likes to control with, highly efficient, high percentage throws.

Bruce Ariens lives on throw it up in the air. And by the way, Tampa came into the game missing their best offensive linemen. So you know you're probably and facing Aaron Donald, knowing you're probably going to get less time to throw. And by the way, there were the makings of a bad game for the Rams. They couldn't run the football. They're on the road. It's Monday night football.

You're facing the goat and a good defense. and you ask Goff to throw 51 times. But there were two head coaches. One had safety valves. Cooper Cup 11 catches. Like I just thought it was a coaching mismatch. Now, it should be noted, Tampa's 7 and 4. There are 11 weeks in.

I went this morning and checked. I predicted they would be a wild card team and go 10 and 6. So if you look at their schedule, they'd look like they're actually going to go 11 and 5. But what would concern me if you're Tampa, if you look at the NFC playoff picture right now, It's a bunch of smart offensive coaches. It's Sean Payton.

It's Cliff Kingsbury. It is Sean McVeigh. It is Matt LaFleur. These guys are much more motion, much more deception, much more roll the pocket. It's very much a 2020 NFL game. And you can blame Tom Brady for all these interceptions. But I went and looked this up this morning. The last, the three previous jobs Bruce Ariens had, the starting quarterback had a career

high in interceptions. James Winston had 30, Carson Palmer 22, and Andrew Luck 18. And Tom Brady's on pace to have 50 in a career high. So that would be four straight quarterbacks who have their career high in interceptions. I'm over no biscuit, no risket. I'm over it. Like it's low percentage throws that did not describe the New England dynasty. It was high percentage throws.

McVeigh, high percentage throws. I just lower percentage throws equals less efficient, equals less consistent. If you start looking at what Tampa Bay is right now, you don't know. Every week it changes. Why? Because they run so many low percentage offensive plays. And so much of it is dependent on protection and who your opponent is. So it's, again, you can.

You can blame Brady for all the picks, but Andrew Luck, Carson, Carson, Balmer, James Winston, and Brady are all going to have career highs and picks with Bruce Ariens. And I watch McVeigh, he moves the pocket, he's got a lot of motion, there's constant deception, it keeps the defense on their heels, and if it breaks down for golf, if the protection breaks down, he's got safety valves. Here's Arians after the loss. I thought he called a good ballgame. We just got to execute better.

You know, when guys are open, we got to hit them, and we can't miss re-coverage. We got to protect a little bit better when we do have guys deep and let him hit that guy instead of have that pressure that costs us the interception. Maybe it's not always the pressure that causes the interception. So I was looking at the standings this morning, and, you know, we're 10, 11 weeks in. And this is about the time we all kind of know who's really good and who's really bad. And there's a bunch of stuff in the middle that'll sort itself out. But I think there's an understanding in the AFC that Kansas City and the Steelers are the best two teams.

And I would not deny that. I think Pittsburgh wishes they could run the football more consistently. But if you look at the AFC playoff picture, I don't think anybody denies this. The Steelers and the Chiefs are the two best teams. But when you go over to the NFC, playoff picture. The people go, there's a lot of Packers, the Eagles. No. I think

we now know who the two best teams are, the Saints and the Rams. And I say that because when I watched the Rams last night, everybody in the NFC right now, there's an issue. Seattle no pass rush

struggles in the secondary. Green Bay doesn't play well when it's physical football. Tampa Bay, old school head coach, It's a lot about the matchups inconsistent week-to-week. Arizona, young, but still feels like they're a draft away from competing defensively. Philadelphia, Giants, don't waste my time. The Rams and the Saints are the only two teams in the NFC, like the Steelers and the Chiefs.

What's their whole? Both have good special teams. Both have a pass rush. Both have good secondaries. Both have coaches who have gotten to a Super Bowl. I don't have a coaching issue. I don't have a defense issue. I don't have a back-end secondary issue.

I don't have a special team issue. Both have above-average offensive lines. Both can run the football on most Sundays, and if they can't, they can throw the football. The knock on the saint is they don't throw it down the field much. All right, but they went 13 and 3, 13 and 3 the last two years, and they're now 6-0 with backup quarterbacks. It's not killing them. And the Rams, when Goff doesn't get great protection, he got pretty good protection last night, he can struggle. Welcome to the NFL.

That was true of Brady and Peyton Manning in their prime. When I look at the Rams and the Saints and the Chiefs and the Steelers, I don't see a hole. Again, I wish Pittsburgh could run the football more consistently. I wish Andrew Whitworth was healthy at left tackle, and Goff does need to be comfortable he was last night. the Saints don't throw it downfield as well as I'd like. In Kansas City, they fall into traps a lot falling behind, but the good news is they can always catch up. I mean, they've all got something they could be better at.

But you start looking at the other teams, like Green Bay. They can't play physical football. Seattle, they can't stop anybody. You know, Baltimore doesn't play well from behind. I think we have a final four. I think we know who the four best teams in the NFL are right now. And it takes a while to figure it out. And I think most of you agree with the first three and a lot of you disagree with the Rams

because the Rams aren't a real popular historic franchise. They weren't popular in St. Louis. I mean, they're the second or third most popular team in Los Angeles and that's saying something as an NFL franchise. But I got to tell you something. They draft incredibly well. The receiving core, the coach, the old. line, tight ends, running back, secondary.

Their linebacking core is okay. Everything else, they're good. They can match up with anybody. They're good. That's what I see. Coming up next, Trent Dilfer doesn't hammer many people on my show, but he did yesterday. And he brings up a point about how you coach and how we should coach. But you got to be careful.

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Totally rando, I know. So Tampa's an ensemble cast. Am I being too critical of Bruce Ariens? Just think about this. So the NFL is a weekly business. Every week you have a game. In the movie business, it takes six months to get one two-hour movie. That's not the NFL business.

That's more like the World Cup. but in the NFL business and in the TV show business, you get four days to work on one show. And then right after it's done, you get four or five more days to work on another show. And most of the television shows, even the good ones, Succession, Breaking Bad, Parks and Recreation, Seinfeld, everybody loves Raymond, like legendary shows. It took till year two, three, for it to pop.

This is an ensemble cast. It's a bunch of coaches, Gronk, Brady, Ariens, new quarterback coach, thrown together with no preseason. And they're on their way to be 10 and 6. Good, not great. Isn't maybe that

what they're destined to be in year one? And this was always bound to be better in year two. I mean, one of the cast members, A, B, joined the show mid-season. One of them, Leonard Fernette, joined the show right as they were Starting filming. No preseason.

Three and a half months in. Old school coach. Old school quarterback. That sounds like 10 and 6. It doesn't sound like the Kansas City Chiefs. So, you know, again, the NFL is like the TV business, not the movie business. You prep for four days, you get a show. Okay, it's done.

Let's not celebrate. Prep for four days. And by the way, a lot of those. show, Seinfeld, everybody loves Raymond's, Breaking Bad, Succession, Parks and Recreate. Funny one week, flat the next. Oh, that makes

a lot of sense. No direction to next. That's what Tampa Bay is. Most of us had them at 10 and 6. You predicted them 9 and 7 and 10 and 6. I predicted them at 10 and 6. I've said this before. With parenting,

the days are long, but the years fly by. In the NFL. The games are crazy, but the season's predictable. I mean, look who's in first place right now. Kansas City, Green Bay Packers, Seattle's Seahawks are a playoff team, so are McVeigh and the Rams. We all predicted Buffalo had a chance to be a playoff team again. Like even the surprise teams, Miami isn't that big of a surprise. So, again, when you look at what they are, a weekly business thrown together with no preseason, maybe I'm too critical. Maybe 9 and 7.

This is not going to be the chiefs of the Steelers. You don't have the same GM working with the same quarterback and the same coach and the same defense. This isn't Kansas City. This is like year three or four with these guys. This is what you get when you throw a bunch of guys together. You get good one week, awful the next. Really good one week, competent the next.

That's not good. That's pretty good. Maybe that's just what they're supposed to be in your. one. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Tua was benched on Sunday after struggling against the Broncos for most of the game. Brian Flores made it clear that after the loss, it was a performance-based decision for one

game and reiterated that he is the starter going forward. Flores said he's a developing player. We have a lot of confidence in him. That's why he's the starter. He played well, and I expect him to continue to play well. I expect him to bounce back. A developing player. I don't know that everyone's making a massive deal of this. Yeah, I haven't heard anybody over yet. I think everybody's got it.

I think we're all looking at the same way. Two is young. Hadn't played a year and a half. First road bump. He's fine. Isn't that like everybody, I think that's kind of everybody's take, right? Well, also, you have to consider the circumstances

around the dolphins this year. They're different than Burrow and Herbert. If Herbert struggles, like he did in week 10 in his eighth start when he went 20 of 32, 1807 yards, two passing touchdowns and one interception, that's his worst stat line. Joe Burrow, week 5, 19 of 30, 18, 183 yards, one interception, two fumbles, almost sack seven times. But those teams are not very much in the playoff space. Right. So you can let them continue to start after a bad game because they're developing and

It doesn't matter if you win or lose the next few games. You're not in the playoff hunts. The dolphins are very much in the playoff hunts. Like, they needed to win that game. And if you put Fitzpatrick in, close the game out because he's going to just continue to get hits stacked as many times as he was, and he's struggling, win the game,

live to talk about it another day, and deal with it next week. So they're in a different circumstance. I think the initial reaction was a little confusing because he looked like he might have been hurt when they took him out, which is obviously a lingering anxiety with Tua, based off of how his last season in college ended.

But I think everything's going to be fine. And like we said yesterday, Tua is the type of player that can handle this kind of situation. Not every quarterback can do that. It's often why there's a long discussion about when you start a rookie quarterback. Because if he does struggle and he needs to take him out, does that crush his confidence? I don't think that's a situation with Tua. Plus, they play the Jets this week.

Yeah, I mean, the other thing is this is why maturity matters. It's why I didn't like Baker or James Winston out of college is that it's hard. your first two years in this league, you get the crap kicked out of it, you're often on a bad team, you get benched. Like, that's why you have to be a grown-up to be a quarterback in the NFL. That's why I'm so harsh on your Johnny Manzelles and Baker-Mayfields. I'm like, are you emotionally stable and disciplined enough to handle being benched, crushed, hit, and losing a bunch? And I think Tua checks all of those boxes.

Herbert and Burrow, check all of those boxes. Yeah, they do. So the Steelers and Ravens are heading into Thursday nights game on very different trajectories. Pittsburgh is undefeated at 10-0 and Baltimore has lost three of their last four games and are on the outside of the playoffs. But Mike Tomlin isn't concerned about the Ravens heading into this game feeling desperate. He said we are all desperate to win this week. We respect everyone in a level of desperation and urgency.

Everyone has as we step into the stadium and are ready to match it. The Ravens are having a very surprising season. They're six and four. They're third in the AFC North. Obviously, they lost to the Titans last week. 30 to 24 in overtime on that Derek Henry run. And it's gotten a little more complicated now because they're running backs. Mark Ingram and J.K. Dobbins are on the COVID list and will not play.

Yeah. So it's very much must win game for the Ravens just got more interesting. Yeah, this game historically is always, it's always close. This has been a field goal game. Most of my last 10 years, it always feels like Rayvens. Raven Steelers is a field goal game. So I kind of look at it. I think, oh, Pittsburgh's going to win going away.

And then I think it's a short week. Neither team will play great. And by the way, at a short week, you're not going to see any gadgets. These guys are going to go back to the basics on Thursday night. You know, like Arizona-Seattle play. They know each other. They're divisional rivals. Like Seattle, Arizona tend to play close games.

I think Baltimore, Pittsburgh will be a very close game. I take Pittsburgh to win it now with the running back issues. but I think we're all freaking out about Baltimore because our expectations were higher. They're like an inch from the playoffs and the AFC. They can change the dynamic and the narrative to Thursday night if they win. Take a deep breath with Baltimore. It's troubling, but they're still okay. It's certainly troubling.

They're in the hunt with the dolphins at 6 and 4. The wild card right now is Titans, Browns, and Raiders. And obviously the Steelers, Chiefs, Bills, and Colts are. are at the top of their divisions. You're absolutely right. If they win this game, we all calm down. Everything simmers, and we're having a different conversation about Baltimore. But that's why it's really a must-win game for Baltimore after their last four games.

And it's the Steelers. So, like you said, this is a rivalry game. AFC North. These are the two circles on the Steelers and Ravens schedules every year no matter what, no matter who they're playing that season. But the running back thing is very complicated to me, especially considering, like you said, They're not going to make it extra complicated on a short week, and having Mark Ingram and J.K. Dobbins out is massive for the Ravens. So Cam Newton has six regular season games left on his one-year deal with the Patriots.

And when he was asked if he's hoping to stay in New England's after the 2020 season, he, in New England-like fashion, avoided giving an answer. Man, I have interest in winning the Arizona Cardinals game. How about that? There's so many things that I don't want to even harp or dwell. I even think, as the Bible says, my coroneth over with just trying to focus on the near future rather than the far future. Good answer. That's exactly what you should say. That's a perfect answer.

Exactly what you should say. It's a perfect New England answer, but it's an all-around good answer. That's not what Cam Newton is thinking about right now. And obviously, before he was taken out due to COVID, we were having completely different conversations about Cam Newton and the Patriots. I think overall, the bigger picture is what is Bill Belichick's plan long term for the Patriots. They have seven picks in the upcoming draft. And, you know, depending on how much they're able to move, Cam Newton might not be the worst option for them for another year. Now, I do think that there's going to be a lot more movement

at the quarterback position similar to this past off season in the NFL, which was pretty unprecedented. But with all the new quarterbacks coming into the draft and all the teams that may be looking for a quarterback this year. I think Cam Newton will end up somewhere. I don't know if it's the Patriots because I do think Bill Belichick has a master plan that we won't know about it until it's all over, similar to him bringing Cam Newton there. But he's just not have to play out the season and he's right. Just focus on the next week. Good stuff. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Good stuff today. Nick Wright's, my buddy. First things first. He's going to join me now. Brought to you by Mercedes-Benz.

the best or nothing. And Nick Wright is now joining me. So it's interesting. Sometimes, Nick, you get these trades in any sport. It could be any sport. And it just doesn't make that big a news. And we are in the middle of an NFL season. And so an NBA trade is big on Twitter,

but it's not going to be on our shows very much. And I look at what the Lakers did by getting Dennis Schrooter. And I said this last week. I'm like, wow, that's like a huge. move for a defending champ to massively upgrade from a position point guard that can run the show. And then they add Montrez-Harrell. And Mark Gassal is a very good low-post defender. And I wake up this morning, and I think to myself, does everybody understand that the

defending champs got significantly better over the weekend? Am I hyperbolic here? No. Did you see the same thing? You're not hyperbolic at all. I'm great to talk to you, as always, Colin. They are the massive favorites. They were the favorites before Free Agency.

Now you have to ask yourself if you could have them or the field. Would you rather have the Lakers or all 29 other teams? I think they're the favorites against the field. Here's the story for LeBron James teams the last decade. Can you survive the six to ten minutes a game here? off the court. If the answer to that question is yes, you win the title. And this team not only can survive those minutes, but I think they can win those minutes. Right now, Colin, Kyle Kuzma is their 10th man. They address all of the needs. And the other element is this.

Teams in the West got better, but the contenders in the West didn't get better. The Nuggets lost Jeremy Grant. The Clippers got no better. The Warriors unfortunately lost clay. The Rockets are, you know, who knows who's going to be on the rockets. The Jazz stood, Pat. So, yeah, the Suns got better, right? The Timberwolves got better out west. But those teams aren't competing.

The contenders that got better are all in the east. Milwaukee got better. Brooklyn's going to be way better. The Sixers are going to be better. The Celtics, I don't think they got better. And the heat got a little bit better. The one major loss the Lakers had, Colin, is Avery Bradley. and with respect to Avery, they won the title without it.

I mean, I don't blame him for not being in the bubble, but there's no question about can they win without them? Well, they did. So, yeah, it was a masterful offseason by Rob Polinka, and the Lakers, I would be barring an injury. I would be shocked if they don't win the title, and I'm saying that before the season even starts. No, I felt the same thing.

And I did yesterday. I had nine guys. I said this generally, and you put it, it better, but I looked at it and I thought, you know, LeBron could not play and they could win a game because with AD, Mark Nassau, and Harold, they're big enough, and they've got enough perimeter guys they could score. So I agree with you. I will ask you this. Can I add one thing? Go ahead. Go ahead. Harold, listen, Harold has some limitations, and he wasn't on his best in the bubble. I think some of that was the rust and some of that was the loss of his grandmother, which really seemed to affect him.

But Harold's biggest weakness is he is not a rim protector at all. He's a bad defensive player. The Clippers could not cover up for that because they had no other rim protection. You know how you cover up for that? Playing with Anthony Davis. And so when Anthony Davis doesn't like playing the five, right? So he's going to be on the court a lot with either Gasol or Harrell. What teams typically try to do is put their center on Anthony Davis,

and then what teams would do last year is put their power forward on Dwight or Javail and essentially say, if you want to run post-ups to Dwight or Javail, because you have a size advantage, fine, if that's not an efficient possession. Montres Harrow will eat that alive against an undersized power forward. So he fits with the Lakers more than he fit with the clippers, given how the teams built. Nick Wright joining us. So it's easy to blame Brady for the picks, but I'm going to throw something at you. Okay. So Carson Palmer, career high in interceptions, Bruce Ariens is coach. James career high in interceptions, Ariens is coach. Andrew Luck career high in interceptions, area and his coach. Brady's on pace for 15 interceptions career high, Ariens is coach. As the McVeys and the Lefleurs and the young coaches have come into this league, the old school, you know, No biscuit, risk it, over the top, low percentage throws.

It's not as quarterback friendly in 2020 as people think. And Brady is being asked at 43 to throw the ball deep behind a hit-and-miss offensive line is that Arients is more responsible for this than Brady. Yeah, I mean, I definitely make that case if I was a dyed-in-the-wall Brady apologist. So, yeah, I mean, that's all you've got left at this point. Here's the reality, Colin. If you have a pass rush, the Bucks offense can't function. If there's no pass rush, they can look amazing.

Watch the Panther game. Watch the Raider game, the second half in particular. If you cannot create pressure, Brady looks like he's 33, not 43. But the moment there's pressure, even the tiniest glimpse of it, and I don't blame him, the guy's not in the business of getting hit anymore. That game's sealing interception, he wasn't. been pressured, but his center had just gone out of the game. I think he anticipated the pressure and got rid of that football.

And I am old enough to remember when if you are giving the ball back to Tom Brady with two minutes left down, up only three, your best case scenario is overtime. And instead, Brady had a minute 50 second and ten with a timeout in his pocket, 25 yards from field goal range. and he punited him to Tampa Bay. And he could have had a third interception in that game that was dropped, he could have fumble in the end zone that somehow was called an incomplete bat. Their best offense was trying to bait the rest into calling pass interference penalties.

I mean, listen, man, if there's a pass rush, the bucks are going to lose. And that doesn't even get to. I'd love to hear it here. I didn't hear the beginning of the show. I assume you led with it an evisceration of Tom Brady for once again snubbing the opposing quarterback. I mean, if there's sportsmanship dead in America, what's happening, you know, I didn't even notice. So he didn't shake Goff's hand last night? Again, you didn't notice?

So listen, here's what we know about Tom Brady. When he wins the Super Bowl, he shakes hands, he shook Goff's hand after that Super Bowl. The three Super Bowl's he's lost, he didn't shake Eli's hand, he didn't shake Eli's hand, and he didn't shake his hand. This year, he didn't shake his hand. He was like, no, I only really do that with guys. have a relationship with, despite the fact that when they beat Justin Herbert, they had a nice, long, warm embrace at midfield, even though he met Herbert that morning. And then last night,

he pouts and salks and storms off the field after a loss. So, listen, I gave him a pass for the Foles one, because if you remember, that was, he didn't know what down it was game. So in Brady's defense, he thought it, maybe he thought it was half time. So he's going in locker, it was like, oh, damn, I forgot. Last night, I, I didn't. don't know how you give him a pass for it. But, you know, nobody asked him about it because the media is a bunch of Colin Coward that just love him so much. God forbid you have a tough question.

So maybe we'll find an answer at some point. Nick Wright joining us. Hey, by the way, so I like Wentz more than you, and I support Lamar more than America. But I was thinking this morning that with Lamar and Wentz, it's not that they lack talent. With Wentz, he's too damn reckless. and with Lamar, we're waiting for him to kind of break through and adapt to the latest challenge of rookie quarterback faces. But this morning I was thinking to myself, good God, I started listing teams that, now remember, these are teams I'm in a list that aren't having private calls or meetings or concerns about their current starting quarterback.

And I got down to Kansas City, Seattle, the Chargers, Arizona, Houston. That's not long. Not long list. Green Bay drafted a quarterback, so they have them. And Pittsburgh's thinking about Darnel as a backup, so they have them. Could I just say this about Wenz and Lamar? It ain't a talent thing. It's a what everybody in the league not name Kansas City or Seattle or the Chargers are thinking this morning,

which is everybody's always worried about their quarterback. So I think that's fair. And listen, I think some of the Lamar stuff is concerning. but I there is to me there is still enough good even within the bad that you have optimism I am to me it's a five alarm fire with wins okay I that in the people think of wince a lot of them think of Nick Foles because of the Super Bowl run but I want to remind America of a different Nick Foll's stretch 2014 13 games I think with Chip Kelly 27 touchdowns two picks you remember that Colin, that's unbelievable Mick Bowles run.

Yeah. There was nothing like that any other point of his career. Is there a chance that we're going to look back on Carson Winston and say the dude had an amazing 13 game stretch in 2017 when we said he was a league MVP. But that's just not who he is. He is a turnover machine, 14 picks, 10 fumbles. It's really, really concerning. And if you're Philly, I don't know if you've looked at the contract.

I know you study SpotRaff every night. But next year, it is $35 million to keep him and $60 million to move on. So he is their quarterback next year. And I just, I mean, all he had to do was take care of the football against Cleveland, and he couldn't do it. He hasn't been able to do that. And by the way, I know we're out of time. Just speaking to Cleveland, I'm just curious, have you, as it?

it dawned on you yet that you currently live in a world where Baker-Mayfield's team has a better record than Tom Brady that washed over you? Have you let that happen? Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. Not overly happy with it, but I can acknowledge, hey, I picked Cleveland to be nine and seven and make the playoffs, so it looks like they'll win 10 or 11, but the shock of the division to me is Baltimore, not Cleveland. I kind of like Cleveland. I think Stefansky next to Gruden's my coach of the year. So I think he's done a great job acknowledging what they are and what they're not. I got to run, buddy.

Good seeing you. Good talking to you. See you guys. Bye. All right. Nick Wright. Didn't see him. Just talk to him.

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So, you know, it looks pretty dire for his. Cincinnati, they screwed it up. And it was, this is not second-guessing. All of us had this fear. It was very much Andrew Luck. Bad offensive line, throw it 45 times a game and get smoked. And he's not quite as thick and as durable, in my opinion, long-term as an Andrew Luck. And by the end, he had to retire. Here's the good news. It looks like the draft order is pretty concrete, is pretty established at the top. Jets, Jags, Bengals. That's going to be the top three picks. Bengals aren't winning many more games without Joe Burrell.

They may not win any. And the Jax and the Jags, they don't want to win games at this point. I mean, they're not playing Sam Darnold. I think we can all figure out why. Now, at four, the Cowboys are starting to play well. Washington 5, they play each other. One of those teams are going to win. Chargers, Giants, Falcons, Dolphins, Panthers.

These teams are too good. They're going to win at least one or two or three games. I think the Dolphins can win four more. Jets, Jags, Bengals, is set. Here's the great news. The Bengals, at least for the time being, do not need a quarterback. Burrow will be back. What does the draft provide this year at the number three pick? Penae Sewell, a great left tackle. The Bengals have one really good offensive line. Lineman. Jonah Williams. He's a left tackle. You could move him right. Or maybe Penae Soule,

you move him right. But what they need, is the first player that's a non-quarterback available. He's a house. He's Jonathan Ogden. He's in Anthony Munoz. It's a no-brainer. He is the best left tackle prospect probably in several years. So they need a left tackle.

They've already got one. Play left or right side. You've solved the tackle issue. Go ask Cleveland. Cleveland got two tackles this offseason. It's a different football. ball team. But here's other good news. When you have the third pick, you have the third pick in all the rounds. If you go to the top of the second round, the best guard in the draft is

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Their defense, get it in later rounds and get it in free agency. You're not paying burrow anything still. You can spend money on defense. But your two needs are very getable. Penae Sewell's a great left. tackle prospect. Jonah Williams, move him to the right side. He's the Alabama kid who got hurt but played well this year. And then you have Wyatt Davis, top of the second round, probably still available. You can saw, between Jonah Williams, Wyatt Davis, and Penae Sewell, you're done.

You got your offensive line. These are really high-end prospects. So that is the good news. What you need is available right to you. You don't need a quarterback. And the Jets and Jags, need quarterbacks. That's what they're going to draft. And remember, they're not a mile away. The Cincinnati Bengals led Cleveland this year. They lost in a shootout. Cleveland's a good team. They led the Colts this year. Colts were a good team. They led Washington. This is a team that has one massive deficiency offensive line. They're good enough at running back. They're good enough at wide receiver. They've gotten better on defense. That's free agency. That's later rounds. First two picks should be stars.

There's two stars at the exact positions you need. They're really bad. Guard center, guard right, tackle. They don't grade very well. They grade pretty well left tackle Jonah Williams. So that's the good news. Yeah, the top three picks in the draft are set. Everything else after that is teams that are just too good.

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