The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 12/09/2020 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: December 9, 2020

-The Cowboys are a mess and will be for a while-Covid hurt the good programs in College Football, not the great ones-Lamar Jackson is special, the criticism of him is absurd-Colin has the same problem with the Steelers he always has-There is a franchise that would be a perfect fit for Carson WentzGuest: Joel Klatt, FOX Sports CFB Analyst Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Always fun. Live in Los Angeles, this is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio, and FS1. New haircut, boy on the air. New haircut. Very proud of it. It looks very nice. you. Very professional. I have

no idea what day it is. What day is today. It's it feels like Friday because we had football last night. I loved it. People complaining about too much football. It's like saying that too much bacon. Like just more, please. I thought it was great. That's a great comparison, yes. I love it.

Yeah, it was awesome. And it was great to see Lamar Jackson out there playing well. Yeah, that's enough bacon. Really, I'm done eating the most delicious meat ever. Really, I'm done with bacon. All right. So, two ways. to look at the cowboy loss last night. Let's be optimistic. This is the way

Jerry Jones is looking at it this morning. Listen, we had 10 more first downs. You know, our field goal kicker was lousy. And our offensive line is hurt. We still won time of possession. Heck, Andy Dalton got us within range of, we thought winning this game for about

three and a half quarters. I mean, who can win with the injuries we've dealt with on the offensive line? We got more first downs. We rush for over 100 yards. We won time of possession. With Andy Dalton, we were good on third down.

This is, listen, we'll solve our defensive issues in the draft, and we're eventually going to get a better kicker than that stuff. That's one way to look at it. That's how Jerry Jones and the Jones family probably look at it this morning. There's this way to look at it. Dallas had 12 days to prepare for Lamar Jackson, who had had one practice, and the Ravens rushed for nearly 300 yards.

that's another way to look at it. Or that Dallas's head coach is not very inspiring. Dak Prescott's good but not like really, really good. The defensive coordinators are whiff. Special teams now are below average. I also look at this league financially. And there's one thing in the NFL you cannot do. Pay great money to average your good players.

Here are the six highest paid Dallas Cowboys. this morning and tomorrow morning. The six highest paid Dallas Cowboys are Dach, DeMarcus Lawrence, Amari Cooper, Zeke, Zach Martin, and Tyron Smith. And I love Zach Martin. Everybody else gets paid more than their production and value. Just for comparison.

Just for comparison. And just like a salary cap is just like your home budget. You'll pay a lot for a mortgage if you got a house in a good neighborhood with a good school. You'll pay a little bit more money for a car. If it's incredibly reliable, you got it on a reasonable lease. You don't want to overpay for that stuff. So those are the six highest paid guys.

What would they do on the market? Would DAC have a big market at $38 million? DeMarcus Lawrence at $25 million, Amari at $20? There'd be no market. Zach Martin would have a market. Zach Martin would have a market. So let's go now to the Kansas City Chiefs. They appear to be well run.

Here are their six highest played guys. Patrick Mahomes, Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Tyree Kill, Travis Kelsey, and Honey Badger. I'll just give you a heads up. On the market? Yeah, they're going for top dollar. The Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rogers, David Boktiari, Kenny Clark, Zadarius Smith, DeVontay Adams, Preston Smith. By the way, they didn't pay a ton for Zadarius or Preston Smith.

So those are not huge contracts. They're not paid that much on the market. All of them get the money they come. currently make, some more. Let's go to the L.A. Rams. Aaron Donald, Jared Goff, Jalen Ramsey, Robert Woods, Cooper Cup, Andrew Whitworth. Whitworth hurt and old. He wouldn't get a ton on the market, but he is a left tackle, so he'd get offers on the market if he was there for a year or two. Total team leader. You can complain about Jared Goff all you want. Would they be better? With a quarterback you'd never heard of? Jared Goffs won 65% of his games and got to a Super Bowl.

big picture long term five-year plan Dallas has a lot of issues and primarily the number one issue is they're paying a lot of money for good players some are aging and are hurt a lot Zeek's not close to what he used to be Colin come on DAC got hurt that changed everything

you were one and three with DAC this year you were eight and eight with DAC last year with all six highest pay players, you got one wild card win with those cats. That's it. You get to give me more than that. So Dallas has, to me, I look at Dallas and well our quarterback got hurt is not good enough. You look around the NFL. Seattle's highest paid people. Russell Wilson. Okay. Jamal Adams, Carlos Dunlap, Bobby Wagner, Tyler Lockett. Now, Tyler Lockett is more, is a little at this point because

D.K. Metcalf is so great, Tyler Lockett feels a little overpaid. But if you look at his salary, it's not like a Demarcus Lawrence salary. Dallas has major problems. And I've said, okay, give me a solution. The solution is,

you got a really good draft pick. You're going to finish with the top five draft pick. You've got two choices with that draft pick. One of them, trade it and get multiple picks to get cheaper on the roster. Or two, get a quarterback. Here's Jimmy Johnson last night in the pregame show. I think the number one priority, you know, they've got to sign Dack Prescott to a long-term contract.

Not a franchise tag because that will eat up too much of a reduced cap. Now, I haven't said that, you know, I don't expect them to have this high a pick in the draft in the future. So I would not bypass a franchise quarterback in the draft. Quarterbacks are valuable. Go ahead and take one if one's there when you're picking. And let him sit behind Dack Prescott for multiple years. This is not, listen, baseball survived when the Yankees were irrelevant in the 80s. The NBA was fine when the Lakers pre-Lebron were irrelevant for about four or five years.

Football is going to be fine without the Dallas Cowboys. But Jerry Jones likes to be front and center. And this, Troy Aikman said it at the end of last night's broadcast. There are a lot of issues and not a lot of solutions. When the solution is, all right, let's sign DAC who we like to a contract, stretch it out so it's not as punitive. It's not a great solution. He's good.

He's not special. He's not going to overcome this defense. Overcome average coaching. He's not that special. So I think you're going into a really, really average half decade if things don't change for the Cowboys. So last night, I didn't actually watch this. I saw it this morning because I was watching the game and doing stuff. The college football playoff rankings come out on Tuesday night.

So I saw it on Twitter. Alabama 1, Notre Dame 2, Clemson, 3, and Ohio State 4. You know, I've really noticed this, and you're really seeing it in sports, is that COVID has been difficult for everybody. It's not been easy for anybody. But does everybody realize Alabama, Notre Dame, Clemson, and Ohio State, with or without COVID would be here? You really see it in college football and sports.

COVID is unraveling average. Below average, maybe slightly above average. But the only thing COVID has done to college football, Trevor Lawrence missed a week. Clemson probably beats Notre Dame if they have him. I saw a story this morning, What airlines have handled COVID the best? Delta and Alaska Airlines, my two favorite for the last 20 years. Well run is well run, even in crisis.

Netflix, Apple, Tesla, Shopify, DocuSign, Amazon have all crushed. college football. Everybody complains about the cancellations and I can't believe this and I can't believe that. Look at sports. The Dodgers have been one of the top run franchises in baseball, seven or eight straight division titles. COVID, they won a World Series. LeBron James, COVID, won the NBA championship. Tampa Bay Lightning by hockey people, considered really one of the great franchises, rock solid top to bottom for the last five or six years, won the Stanley Cup. Look in the NFL who's good today. The Steelers, the Hunt family, the Packers, the Saints are always well-run, the Seahawks. Like COVID's bad, but I look at college football, and everybody said, what about Michigan? Michigan's not great. Michigan's good. What about Penn State? They're good.

What about Oregon? They're good. Brian Kelly's great. Dabo Sweeney's great. Nick Sabin's great. Ohio State football's great. This thing's been tough on everybody. But when it's all set and done in sports, it's the Dodgers, it's the lightning,

it's the big dogs in college football, it's LeBron James, it's the Chiefs and the Steelers and the Packers and even the Patriots with all this mess, they're still in the playoff hunt. So I'm not saying it's been easy, but, you know, people are complaining about Ohio State and not playing enough games, folks, COVID or not, this is exactly. what college football would look like. There's been one little difference. Trevor Lawrence had to miss a game.

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One of the reasons I like football, it's just about winning games. Like, it's nothing against, like I like baseball playoffs, but so many baseball fans are into all. these stats and on base and your whip. By the way, I got, you know, I got plenty of whips at home that don't have anything to do with baseball. Anywho, I like winning. Like, that's everything. When I put money down, I put a Hyundai on a game last night. I don't care about anything but W. Lamar Jackson is 26 and 7 as a starter. Give me a break on, you don't like the way he throws. In California, when you're driving in Los Angeles, there's this freeway called the 405. And sometimes you get traffic jams. And I'm always jealous of motorcycles. They just weave in and out of

traffic jams. He's the motorcycle on the 405 during a traffic jam. When somebody is great at something, and by the way, last night his passer rating, if you're into stats, his 101.1.8. It's not like you can't pass. When you're amazing at something, I'll allow you to be so-so at something else. Shack was so dominant and powerful, I could live with this crappy free throw shooting. And it was awful. Tom Brady is incredibly unathletic. But he's so good pre-snap in and out of trouble. I'll live with it. Tyree kills the fastest guy in the NFL.

I'll live with the fact he's not going to win many jump balls. He's tiny. Probably not a great blocker. Amazon Prime. Their content overpriced a bit. Okay. Doesn't blow me away. But good God, I order something.

And 15 minutes later, someone of their drones drops it off at my house. I mean, I'll live. This kid is the motorcycle in the train. traffic jam on the 405 in LA. He's weaving in and out of stuff. By the way, you put his passing numbers up. He passes well enough. Okay, if you look at his NFL rank right now, TD Interception in the first three seasons,

his third in the NFL is passer rating is fourth. And I don't know how they, you know, I don't even care about how you figure out a passer rating. His record now is much better than Josh Allen. We get, this is not baseball. He wins games. When you give me something, it's like when you go buy a Ferrari, you give up gas mileage concerns.

You give it up. You move to Phoenix. It's going to be hot in the summer. But the other nine months are great. There are no perfect quarterbacks outside of Russell Wilson's even too small. Aaron Rogers can be a little aloof. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, he's the perfect one. Good luck.

Needle haystack. Good luck. Did you know he was the perfect one three years ago at Texas Tech with a losing record? So, cowboy fans defend DAC to the. the core. He's not an elite thrower and not an elite runner. Lamar does something that's not available on the market.

There's nobody that electric. I'll live with the passing stuff. He makes enough throws. He made one to the corner last night that was great. They were good on third down. He seems to be good on third down. John Harbaugh talks about, I mean, the guy had one practice last night and helped engineer a running game

that created 294 yards. Well, the one thing you do know about Lamar, you're going to get everything he's got, you know, and that's really all he can ask for. He's going to give you whatever he has, and it turned out they had a lot tonight, and that was good to see. I don't think you could predict that. He came out to practice. He looked good in practice. He was strong and healthy, and I'm just impressed with the fact that he was on top of the game playing so well. He'd been studying, obviously, the whole time he's away, and he played a great football game.

Two things I like about Lamar. He plays with urgency. Like when I watched Lamar play, this was my knock on Jay Cutler. I talked about this yesterday. It's been my knock sometimes on Sam Darnold on Baker Mayfield. Sometimes they don't play with urgency. With Lamar, he makes every field play like it counts. That's big to me. Even when he makes mistakes, he plays with urgency. There's no casualness to the way he plays.

I love that. The second thing is he's incredibly coachable. He takes criticism. He doesn't get defensive. He owns it and he gets better at stuff. So those are really big things to me. He plays with urgency. When he fails on a play, he's men.

mad at himself. He doesn't point fingers. He's pissed. But he's not yelling at you. He's not pointing fingers. He's mad at himself. And the other thing, and boy, this is big to me, he doesn't get defensive about criticism. He like owns it and then goes in the offseason and tries to fix it. So he's not perfect, but he's 26 and 7 as a starter. You can talk about whips all you want. I'm just, you know, it's your private to me. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Mike Tomlin used to drive me crazy.

He used to drive me crazy. Not that he wasn't a good coach. We all know he's Hallfamer. But the team's role was loose. And then I've come to a point with Mike Tomlin, because I'm curious guy, I want to get better and smarter, that the stuff that Mike Tomlin controls

is never the loose stuff. It's always the offensive stuff, which tells me it's Big Ben. Because every year, the Steelers develop defensive players. I never look at the defensive stats and think, oh, they are underachieving. It's Pittsburgh's offensive stats. And Mike Tomlin's a defensive coach, like a Tony Dungey or a Bill Belichick,

you hire a coordinator, and you kind of let them take it. And so Mike Tomlin is so good. John Gruden and Tomlin are so good interviewing. everything's in nine second sound bites everything is quotable and he is getting tired of this epidemic of dropped passes with the Steelers it's been so bad for the last month and tomlin talked about it they can catch the ball or they can get replaced by those that will catch it you know and it's just as simple as that like i often said man i expect guys to make routine plays routinely and when there's a pattern of that not happening then we got to look at

at you know who we're throwing the ball to you know the coaching of catching the football for those who are employed to do it at this level is not something that I got a lot of patience for it's so good so here's the thing Pittsburgh's like you know I got football team no your offense drives me crazy the playoffs are all about details they're not about the most talent new england wouldn't be a dynasty if it was about talent it's not about talent Pittsburgh's have more talent than New England most of the last 20 years. But they are first in the NFL and drop passes, and they're near the bottom in yards per carry, which is another efficiency stat.

Yards per carry doesn't mean you have the best backs. What it means is your blocking techniques can hold people for 4.2 yards of carry. So once again, Pittsburgh's issues are on the offensive side. They drop too many passes and their yards per carry stinks. I know their offensive lines not bad, and I don't blame Tomlin for this. So this is why when I watch Pittsburgh, I see a team that can't run and drops the ball,

and they're not buttoned up. The Saints and the Patriots are always buttoned up. Now, they lack components. New Orleans doesn't throw the ball over the top. New England outside of the Rani Moss years has never been terribly dynamic on the outside. But I always feel they're buttoned up. Once again with Pittsburgh, I feel like offensively,

you're going to play a Kansas City that does all the little things well or in New Orleans that does the things well if you got to a Super Bowl and Pittsburgh's talented but doesn't do the little things well. And so they just did just and I used to really bag on Tomlin about this, but the more I inspect it, it is mostly offensive side of the ball underachieving. And I like the way he addressed it. By the way, the Carson Went's topic is fascinating. So Nick Wright was on. He just mentioned this and he's right. He said there's a perfect place for Wens to go.

It's the Colts. It is the place to go because they're paying Philip Rivers $25 million a year, Jacobi Brissette 21, the backup. So it's $46 million. You'd save $10 million getting Wents, right? And they're pretty much a young roster. The other thing is people will think, well, that is cost prohibitive. No, it's not.

What's cost prohibitive is Philip Rivers and Jacoby Brissette making 46. If Wence goes back and works as well as he did with Frank Reich earlier, that's market average. The other thing we do, we know, you and I know this, not only in football, but life. Environment matters. Leonard Williams was traded from the Jets to the Giants. He is a significantly better player. Same house. Goes to the same stadium.

He's a better player with the Giants than the Jets. Why? Coaching and culture. Ryan Tannehill, in Miami to Tennessee. It's like a different player. Last year he was like a pro bowler at times. Why? Different culture.

I wrote somebody else down today that made me think of that. There's another player somewhere. Oh, Minka Fitzpatrick. Miami couldn't figure out where to use him. Pittsburgh brings him in. The first game they had him, he had like a PXX. So Minka, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Tanny Hill. We know that Wents right now in Philadelphia.

He doesn't connect with his coach. He doesn't connect with his coordinator. He's a small town kid in an angry northeast city that's loud and outspoken. It doesn't work. So just change the environment. Leonard Williams to the Giants. Make a fat Patrick to the Steelers. Ryan Tanna Hill to the Titans.

Carson Wentz. It's not a bloated contract with that offensive line. Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor, that GM and that coach. If he works, $35 million is exactly what you'd pay. a top 12 quarterback in the NFL. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care where you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand-new podcast, the Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health,

purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, I'm Joe Rodano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! Please!

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Oh, cream of chicken suit. Hey, cream. Cream a chicken suit. This. This, this. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Cultura podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown. and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery

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Joel, and I love having him on. He's have 44 quarterback records at Colorado. Most of those have been wiped out, I'm sure. But it's still great to have him on. Joel Clatt, the voice of college football, the well-appointed man who comes on with nothing but information. What's up, man? How are you? I'm great. Let's start with this. Wait, can I go backwards real quick? Okay. Did you say Cleveland's in the top 10 in your league? Yeah, because I think

Baker's a, I think Baker now that he's playing well is interesting. He's been very nice to Cleveland. No kidding. You know, people love me there. They don't admit it, but they do. No, I've actually been there. They don't. Joel, he put the Cleveland Browns above the Steelers in the Heard hierarchy this week. Well, that's questionable in and of itself. But, you know, he might

be trying to let Cleveland he's trying a little too hard for your affection you know what I mean anyway so let's I want to say this about Ohio State so there this happens um doesn't happen a ton in sports but there are moments where tiger was actually bigger than golf for a while like he left tournaments and they shut down one in Colorado and the masters lost half its audience so and it's rare Michael Jordan left the NBA didn't have in the next Michael and they lost 50% of their numbers. So he was at least worth the league, his value. So I look at Ohio State this morning.

And my takeaway is, if I was Ohio State, I'd be like, I don't care what the conference says. The bottom line is, I want to get to the playoff. Yeah. I think they've, I'm going to say this respectfully because our network has the Big Ten. They've outgrown the Big Ten. In a lot of respects. And yet, I think that they're also sensitive to the fact that, you know, this is not new, right? Big Ten is not new. This was not just put together. This is not like the PAC 12 in this iteration where it feels kind of new. Like the Big Ten has history to it. And so much, I mean, Michigan, Ohio State have played every year since 1917. And so I think that they're at least sensitive to the fact that they don't want to throw that out because of one year. But the Big Ten has done no favors to Ohio State at all. Give me an example.

they first and foremost Ohio State was fighting for them to just be patient at the beginning don't do anything rash like cancel the season you're right and they did it anyways you're right okay and so then Ohio state had to fight to even get back on the field this year in order to potentially play for a national championship and once they got that momentum going Ohio State was fighting for an early October start and the Big Ten punted on that and they wanted to go later in October

Well, when you go later, now you don't have any wiggle room. And in terms of Big Ten teams, Ohio State is the only team in the Big Ten that has lost two games, not on the scoreboard, obviously, but gotten canceled because of COVID issues at other schools. They're the only one that has had two games now. That's a good. Postponed because of other schools issue. Now, they had one postpon it because of their issue in the Illinois game. But in terms of Maryland and now Michigan, it would be the opposite side of that.

So if Ohio State says today, talk to the hand. Right now, all we care about is Alabama Clemson, Notre Dame. We're moving past your conference and your issues right now. I would defend them on that. But what would they do? I guess that would be my question. In what regard?

Do you want them to just go find a game? Well, my thing is, or no, why do I need to find a game? You butchered it. The playoffs going to let me in. I'm going to be led into the national championship, that grouping. So why do I have to appease you, the Big Ten? everybody knows I'm one of the four best teams. That's what I care about for the rest of the year.

Yes, but I still think that they need games, right? One more. Maybe one more. And we'll see if I've caught some wind that they're going to change the six game rule and Ohio State will be able to compete for the Big Ten championship, which they should. You're exactly right. They missed out on the Maryland game, the Illinois game,

and by the way, the last two Michigan games have been over at half. Trust me, I've been there. They're a 30-point favorite for this one. That's exactly right. And the one thing, though, here's, and Ohio State fans are not going to like this. If you do get a scenario where Florida, although unlikely, beats Alabama. That's the problem. And Clemson beats Notre Dame.

Yeah. And you're only sitting at six games, or let's say five games. And they don't change the rule. And they don't let them into and they just get some crossover game next year. And they're a non-champ six and O, big 10 Ohio State team. They could get passed. Now, there I'm okay with. it. If they get past because Bama loses and it's an argument like, hey, we still think you're

great, but there's just more, I've seen more quality from somebody else. But my thing is, I can see Ohio State this morning. I'm defending them. They look the part. They are the part. The games they missed are irrelevant blowout games against the Illini and the Terps. And we fail to realize also. And listen, I get labeled a Buckeye defender and that's fine. I mean, they're a great program. They're on a historically great run right now. They're clearly in the class of Clemson and Alabama. And Notre Dame is on a great run right now.

And I think it's better when we've got some of these northern teams that are playing great football. Totally great. Okay. So having said that, let's just keep in mind now that as great as Alabama has looked, they have had the ability to develop, right? It wasn't not, listen, I'm old enough to remember that in their first four games, they gave up over 600 yards to Ole Miss, right? And everyone was like, well, maybe this defense isn't as good as we thought.

And then all of a sudden they've corrected those deficiencies on defense. They've gotten better. Mack Jones has even gotten better. Now Alabama looks great. Well, let's afford at least in some vein the same opportunity for development for Ohio State. Everyone's like, well, in their fourth four games, did you see how many yards Indiana through four? Well, one, Indiana is a really good team. They are.

And they proved that last week by not having their quarterback and still beating Wisconsin, basically in the back of their defense, right? So that team is a really good team, which means that the win for Ohio State over Indiana is a really good win. And then let's also remember that last week without three offensive linemen, a defensive end, a safety and their starting linebacker without their head coach and three more offensive assistants, they went out there and hammered Michigan State who had just beaten Northwestern the previous week. So they got a lot better last week. Let's give them at least that opportunity for growth, which was afforded Alabama early in their season. So when I walk on the street, people walk up to me and go, hey, you're America's honesty broker. And so when everybody was kissing up to BYU,

That's hilarious. I was here saying I will defend two, three, and four lost SEC teams over an undefeated Mountain West team. And you guys all love BYU, and they lost to something that sounds like a soap. Coastal Carolina or something. Well, Coastal Carolina, by the way, has two top 20 wins. Oh, well, they do. They do. That's a fact.

Listen, you want to be the honesty broker? I just brought you facts right in the middle of your forehead. They beat Louisiana who beat a top 10 team Iowa State this year and they beat BYU. Beat Iowa State. God, that put up a plaque for that. The committee thinks Iowa State is really good. They have ranked at seven. Look, we're showing highlights.

I can't believe it was not on cable access. The point being... How about this being the point? Hold on. Time out. How about we just afford them an avenue for the playoff or let them break away and have their own national championship? Okay, that's fine. I don't want to hear the Mountain West has to be afforded a chance at a national

championship. Why? Why? Because they went undefeated and never played in a stadium with more than 22,000 people? This is an awkward position because I am a, when it comes to big conferences, I'm a snob. Like you, like I'm a big conference snob. And I don't think that the group of five schools play a requisite schedule or have a requisite roster to be able to compete in a four-team playoff. I just don't, right? I think that you're taking an opportunity away from a more a realist. Maybe that makes me a realist. But I will tell you that it's beginning to, it's beginning to, this whole notion that the playoff was in some way also an avenue for those little guys to play, right? We were sold that and that's just a lie. So, so here's the thing.

One of two things, college football, either expand the playoff and create an avenue for a group of five team to at least go compete. If you want to, if you want that so badly, then then at least make a legitimate avenue or let them break away. And let's create two divisions of major college football where you've got those schools vying for an 18th playoff in a national championship, which I think would create more interest in those schools and those games and let the Power 5 go and have their own playoffs. So let me ask you this.

This is funny. So when they started this playoff, I missed this conversation. One of the arguments was it'll give little guys a chance to get in? Who made that argument? I would never interested in that. It was a false argument, but that was one of the arguments that this expanded playoff because there were no, because it wasn't just two teams and it was now four teams and we're going to take just the four best and there's no criteria of having to win your conference. That this is going to create an avenue where a little guy could get in there and it's like, no, that's false. That's absolutely false.

The opposite has happened. The opposite has happened. We think less of little guy, which again, I don't feel I'm being a snob saying I like Miami. beach better than living in Nebraska in the winter. I think it's a nicer place to live. I don't think it's being snobby. Is it being snobby? It's rude. Well, rude, but that's not snobby. No, but you are America's rudeness broker as well. I'm just saying the idea that I'm supposed to be, hey, Colin, you have got to consider the Mountain West. I do consider it to have beautiful campuses. The Mountain West is not being considered right now. It's more the American with Cincinnati and then you've got the coastal and the

Sunbelt. By the way, there's a path for USC to potentially make the playoff. Just saying. I have a lot of connections there. I've tried to be kind. They'd get their doors blown off by any of these good teams. Possibly. But what happens if Bama wins, Notre Dame wins,

and Ohio State wins out? Who's the fourth team? Florida. With two losses? Yes. Oh. Florida plays USC tomorrow. Who are you taken? I think Vegas would put Florida as a

five-point favorite. Okay, let's put Florida in. So we're just going to have Vegas do it. Oh, wait, time out. If that's your pushback, for years I've been saying this. Games have to matter. Games have to matter. They do, I said. And so we can't just put, I mean, they lost to Texas A&M. By the way, your better argument would have been, well, let's put Texas A&M in because at least Texas A&M beat Florida on the football field. It's only have one loss. All right. I'm not anti-USC. Don't marginalize me. Love them dearly. The luckiest team in the country during COVID, Bama, Notre Dame and Oregon got knocked off their schedule.

They are lucky. I'm just telling you that if you do get a Bama win, a Notre Dame win and Ohio State wins out, like, who's the fourth team? Then you go find an SEC team. So you want an A&M in that regard? I have no problem with A&M in that regard. Okay, that's fine. I'm consistent with this.

That's fine. And you laugh, but there have been nights. I've had two people come up and say, hey, your America's a honesty broker. That's how people view me. I'm very proud of that. Okay, one more thing here. What time do we have? One more thing.

Oh, oh. So don't you think it's kind of coy? So this has not been a great year. I like Harbaugh, right? But I know the game he's playing. So, you know, this is a funny game. So Jim's in trouble. That team's just a gravel road of nothing.

And all of a sudden this week, Harbaugh up for five NFL jobs. and all of a sudden, Jim's signing an extension at Michigan. He leaked that story so he could sign an extension. Well, the extension was worked on in February. Maybe he knew they were going to be bad. Well, he pulled out of those extension talks because of COVID and the upcoming financial issue. Then why did all of a sudden this week, Jim, NFL teams keenly interested in Harbaugh, were in week 12?

Michigan is not going to fire Jim Harbaugh. They shouldn't. So the only way that they part ways is if it's amicable and Jim has a landing spot in the NFL. So this might be, listen, and I know that there are ongoing extension talks. This is true. There are extension talks with Jim and Michigan right now. Now, from what I've been told by sources close to it, they are not very close on the money. Michigan wants to take them way down and base salary and make it an incentive-laden contract.

You've got to beat Ohio State. Because of this year? You've got to win a division. Oh, come on. You've got to do all these sort of things to make the money that you're making right now. So from what I've been told, he's thinking to himself, well, do I want to do that or just go back to the NFL? And so he's weighing that right now. From what I've been told, the ball is in Jim's court, whether he wants to accept this extension from Michigan, which would be a three-year extension, or move on and go try something else.

I will say this. This is a good one. I would accept an incentive-laden contract if it said you've got to win a bowl game and you've got to beat Michigan State. I'm not putting, I got to beat Ohio State in there. Because Ohio State's a better program. That's like asking Auburn, you got to beat Bama. I don't know the specific language. I'm just saying in an incentive-laden contract, I'm sure that there's some language in there about beating certain teams, winning certain divisions, potentially a conference crown, potentially a playoff berth, so on and so forth. You set 44 school records at Colorado. You were known as loving to

check down the swing pass. That was old swing pass. Swing pass clat. Is that right? What one of you proudest of setting? Well, I left as, well, first of all, I was a walk-on, and then I left as the all-time leading passer. Okay, but what stat you did you like the most? Give me one that really means something to you. Most fourth-quarter comebacks. Now, that's good.

So you're clutch. I was clutch. You're pretty good on this show. Now, now the downside is, first three quarters, you were really struggled. That might not be far from the truth, folks. So you're the most fourth quarter comebacks in Colorado football history? At the time, yeah, I don't know if that's been passed or not. That's quite a stat.

You were the L-Way of Colorado football. There you go. And I grew up idolizing L-Way. I grew up in Denver, so the Duke was my guy, you know? By it pains me to see them struggle the way that they struggle. I know. Listen, when you're our age, I'm a little younger than you, but when you're our age, L-Way is, L-Way is all of our idols.

I was the high school. Everybody wants to be. John Elway is it. And of that group of quarterbacks, he stands a, he's still a top five quarterback all time, in my eyes. Okay. You know what's funny about this? And this is just a weird thing.

More players want to be Steph Curry than LeBron because LeBron physicality, you can't be LeBron as a kid. So kids want to be Steph because they look and think, I can be Steph, I can run around a small guy, shoot. Brady is great as he is. I don't think he's the idol of a lot of quarter. backs because Elway had, there were so many things about him. Stanford, the arm, the drama.

Like with, and this, more people want to be Farrv. Brett Fav, I think, is what a generation of kids wanted to be Brett Fav and Elway. Brady's better than both statistically, but I don't think kids idolize Brady as much. Think of it this way. John Elway was 20, 30 years ahead of his time. If he came out now with his build and athletic ability, an arm, people would be talking about him as the greatest quarterback prospect ever. Go look at YouTube, Warren Moon in 1974.

If you can, I was there, I was in the stands. Warren Moon was 6-4, mobile, with a rocket arm. Yes. People aren't that. Warren Moon, nobody watched. And lost half of his career in Canada. In Canada. I totally agree.

By the way, when he got to Houston, you remember his Houston teams and Denver and Buffalo, like they had some unbelievable AFC matchups. Back in the day when the NFC was winning every single Super Bowl, it was like Houston, Denver, and Buffalo were playing unbelievable AFC playoff games. And by the way, and the Browns with Bernie Kozar under Marty Schottenheimer. I'll give you, I'll give you an example. Want to hear an Lway story? True story.

First NFL game I ever went to. Do we have any music for Uncle Collins' story time? So when I was a kid, we didn't have a little. lot of money. And I was mostly a Husky fan over a Seahawk fan. I love college football. And I don't know really why, because I don't know, because Husky's around longer or something. I don't know. And so I went to my first Seahawk game of the Jones family and I sat first row, third deck. I got there early and John Elway was there. In the old kingdom. And they had the big Seahawk logo. Yeah. Bad AstroTurf, Jim Dorn, Steve Large at Sherman Smith, Jack Batera.

So we get there early. It is two hours before game time. I have binoculars. John Elway in a half shirt, a half-see. Those were cool back then. I still wear them, but most people don't. John Elway in the middle of the Seahawk helmet, the earhole, at the 50-yard line, and I'm not making this up, was flicking his wrist and hitting

the little flag in the corner. Oh, yeah. And I mean, and I mean, and I'm not joking. Fine. Five. Oh, yeah. 50 yards. And he was aiming for the flag. The pylon. The pylon. And hitting it about every four.

throw. Do you remember the wide receivers for Denver back in the day? Mark Jackson and Ricky Neteel. And they had a tight end Mowgli, if I recall. No, he was a linebacker. Mowgli was a Clarence K. was a tight end. He had run into off the field problems. Haven Moses. Havon Moses was there.

Dan Reeves, who was the head coach for the Broncos back then, in like 86, 87, Kubiak was the backup. Gary Kubiak was the backup quarterback. And he would throw the ball on one-on-one routes and also into all those wide receivers a lot. And then John would come in and they would start dropping the ball because John threw the ball so hard. So Dan Reeves put in a, if you're a starter,

you're not allowed to catch a ball from Gary Kubiak in practice rule. And so those starters had to either catch it from the jugs gun, marked all the way up to 10 or Elway. That was it. And so they would just shred those old Newman gloves, those old leather gloves. They went through tons of leather gloves, but you'd like that. Dan Reeves, you're un, no starter can catch.

a ball unless it's from John Elway or the Jugs Gun. So we learned today, when I walk down the street in Manhattan Beach, what do people call me? A weirdo, because you've got a half shirt on. Those are back, by the way. Once again, a little head of the curve here. All right, get out of here, Clats for guys?

What game you got this week? What game you got? Oh, high school, they love them. Game? It's not official. It's not official. I can't say anything. 2020 college football isn't official. By the way, watch it up for. UCLA and Iowa. There it is. Bring it up.

They don't play. Wisconsin plays Iowa, don't they? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. UCLA in their game against USC and Iowa against Wisconsin and their game. All right. Just gave you two upset alerts. Hey, folks. Why does he not? Why get to follow? Folks, they'll almost be an upset.

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