The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 12/10/2020 - HOUR 2 - Patriots-Rams, Harden

Episode Date: December 10, 2020

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. Hour 2 live in Los Angeles. This is The Heart. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I'm not going to get into something because the audience doesn't care,

and I really don't care. There's a rumor going around. There's a bunch of stuff on the internet. Some of it may be true. Some of it's absolutely not true. I'm not going to get into it. I don't think that helps. What?

Well, one of them's not true and one of them could be. Listen, you just have to, I am somebody that keeps the focus on the ball. Joy Taylor, that's what I do. Focus on the ball guy. Keep your head in the game, Colin. You know, I am so into, and not just because it's at Fox, I am so into tonight's game. Belichick humiliated Sean McVey. The Patriots are bizarrely successful this year.

The Rams should win this game. In fact, this morning, I thought about this. If you put the top 10 players in this game, and this is not just pro football focus, but it's pro football focus grading and who I believe are the 10 best players in this game at their position. Aaron Donald's number one, Jalen Ramsey, number two. So those are the top two players.

Best defensive linemen in the league, first or second best corner. Stefan Gilmore, not having a great year, but I'd still respectfully put him three. It's hard for me to separate Robert Woods and Cooper Cup. They're both excellent. I think Cups got more catches. Michael and Waino, the rookie offensive lineman has been a huge shocking surprise for New England. Then I put the John Johnson, the third, the safety for the ram, Darius Williams, the corner, right tackle Rob Haventstein.

He and Shaq Mason are a coin flip. Most of their best players in New England are offensive line. But if you went to like wide receiver and the tight end groups, New England doesn't have a single wide receiver who could get on the field on the Rams wide receiver group. They don't have a single tight end. So in terms of running backs, Damian Harris is the only one I'd give you. And he carries to.

So in terms of wide receiver running back tight end. And the skill positions mean more than ever in the NFL. I would absolutely say slam. Damian Harris running back for New England is the only player that could get into the rotation for the Rams. And golf right now is a better quarterback than Cam, I believe. So if New England wins tonight, it's frightening. It is, New England doesn't throw the ball. Doesn't have an elite pass rusher.

Chase Winnevich has three and a half sacks. Does not have a single go-to dependable wide receiver. And the Rams defense is incredible. Incredible. The secondaries. I mean, it's incredible. If they win tonight, it's the league should just say, okay, we're going to disband, start over without Belichick because we can't compete. Greg Kosell joining me now live.

He does every Thursday if you're a bet football, it's fantasy football. You just love football. Greg Kosell joining me live, 41 years NFL films. So when I watched the Rams and I've seen every snap because I live in Los Angeles, I've seen every snap. They're talked about a lot here in town. They always look kind of the same. It feels like a lot of motion, a lot of sets. They move golf all over the pocket.

I feel like I see the same 12 plays over and over. But when you look at film, are they the same team we saw a couple years ago in the Super Bowl? In terms of what you said in terms of sets and those kinds of things, yes, to a large degree. But I think the difference is this. When they played the Patriots in the Super Bowl, Colin, the foundation of what they did was the run game and Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley was still great at that point. And Belichick structured his game plan, particularly his defensive front, to stop the outside zone run game and stop Gurley. The Rams are a little different offensively now.

They throw the ball far more by choice. The foundation of their offense is not the run game. Do they want to run it? Of course they do. But it's not the foundation. And what they do a lot more of, which they did not do two years ago, is empty sets. They put Goff in empty sets. They spread the formation.

The only other quarterback who's been in empty more than Jared Goff this year is Ben Rothesberger. So they're a different offense than what they were when Belichick pretty much shut them down without an offensive touchdown in that Super Bowl. So we'll see. My guess is Belichick's approach will not be the same as it was in that Super Bowl. Speaking of the Rams, the Giants were, I think, like, one in seven, and the Giants lost to the Rams. And I watched that game at SoFi. And I sat there, and I remember I came in the following Monday on the air, and I said, when one of the shows that week, and I'm like, boy, giants for a team of the bad record, they gave the Rams real physical issues.

And I had somebody on Mark Schlereth recently said, you know, a couple of these Belichick guys, Joe Judge and Brian Flores. they're confusing quarterbacks. They are confused. Just like Belichick does, what do you see with the Giants that you like? Because they lead their division, and they have played for six weeks. They're a real football team.

Well, and you failed to mention Patrick Graham, who's the DC for the Giants, and he also has a Belichick pedigree. And what they do is they're so multiple with their fronts, and that's a Belichick thing, being very multiple with your fronts, not as multiple with your coverage, is a little more coverage consistency,

but they're very, very aggressive up front. a lot of pre-snap movement, a lot of what we call amoeba fronts where there's no defender with his hand in the ground or maybe one defender with his hand in the ground. That makes it very difficult for the offensive line to identify five players that the offensive linemen are going to block. They don't really blitz a ton and they don't play a lot of man coverage, but they're really difficult up front and they're physical. They're really physical and competitive. and on defense, obviously, that matters. So they do a lot of good things tactically, and they really caused problems for Seattle last week.

A team that we, and we said this when they were two and seven and three and seven, the Giants are Miami, is that they're better than their record. They were bad for September and most of October, but this is a real football team with a bad record. And we said that when the Giants were bad. Miami last year started out like 0 and 8, but every week they got better. So Miami's going to play Kansas City and Mahomes.

They've given every quarterback issues, what can they do against Mahomes? And that is going to be fascinating to see what they do against the Chiefs because Miami has played a lot of man coverage. They like to Blitz. But keep in mind, Brian Flores was also on the staff in New England when they beat the Chiefs. And I remember a game in which they literally double Tyreek Hill on every single play. My guess is they might feel very comfortable with Eric Rowe, who's a big physical kind of hybrid corner safety. He's their tight end matchup. They could feel comfortable with him matched man to man on Kelsey and then take their chances with Hardman Robinson. But we've seen what Bill

Belichick has done. Flores was on that staff. So we'll see. This to me is one of the most fascinating unit matchups of the weekend because the Chiefs brings so much firepower on the outside and Kelsey is having an unbelievable year. I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the best third down quarterback in the league. The dolphins have far and away the best third down defense in the league. So there are so many dimensions and elements to this game on that side of the ball. Taysam Hill. People compared him to Tebow and my takeaway, he's a better athlete and a better

thrower, but I never really viewed him as a franchise quarterback long term. he throws it a lot better than I thought. How do you view him today opposed to a month ago? Well, let's keep one thing in mind, Colin. Only one team this year gets a buy, correct? That's the way the playoffs are. So he's not playing. This is not an audition.

He's playing because Sean Peyton believes he's the best quarterback on that team after Drew Breeze. That's why he's playing. And last week against Atlanta, the second time they played them in three weeks, Sean Peyton gave Taysam Hill more in terms of the route concepts, in terms of what they asked him to do in the passing game, and he threw the ball well. Now, it's three starts, so no one should make a judgment about his whole career, Colin, but certainly they're expanding him a little bit, and we'll see what happens this week against the Eagles. But I thought Taysam Hill threw the ball well last week. And in fact, one of the touchdowns he threw, the one to Jared Cook, was the exact same play, formation, play.

Play design, play concept, as Drew Bree is hitting Jared Cook for a touchdown week eight against the bears. Wow. So I never want to overreact to Monday night football. It's the standalone game usually. It wasn't this week. But there's a history where people just overreact to Monday. It was hard to watch Josh Allen and not go, oh, wow. It was as good a performance by any quarterback in any game I'd seen this year.

That what my eyes told me. What did the film say? And I would agree with that. And there's a, you know what the reason is? We know he's got a big arm. We know he can move around. So what's the reason, Colin? Ball placement.

Always the thing that people spoke about with Josh that concerned people ever since he came out of Wyoming. You and I, I believe, talked about it when he was coming out of Wyoming. And that was the issue. And his ball placement now this year in particular has been pretty much every week. I think one exception, but pretty much every week, his ball placement has been very precise. You know, I learned one thing in a conversation with Troy Aikman,

who we both know years ago, and Troy told me you can do everything right as a quarterback, but if you can't put the ball where you want to put it, you've got nothing. And Alan is big. He's everything you want. And now his ball placement has caught up to all those other things. And when he places the ball the way he did the other night,

he is, you think, God, this guy could be really special. Yeah. You know, I have defended Lamar Jackson. He's 26 and 7 as a starter, and he's still only 23. And I said this the other day. I put up with Shaq's lousy free throw shooting because he was so powerful. Amazon Prime's content is average and expensive, but they can get anything to my house in three hours. So I put up with everything.

And I look at Lamar, and in a freeway traffic jam, he's the motorcycle that can scoot through it. He is so unique athletically. and he's mostly okay throwing. And I think, you know, we all harangue this constantly, but I'm like, folks, he's 26 and 7 as a starter. He does have, though his accuracy has hit and miss, he does at times have a really nice touch. Are we spending too much time, you know, going over and over this?

He can't throw the ball stuff. I don't think we're spending too much time on it. He is a quarterback. I mean, in an ideal world, you'd like your quarterback to be a pretty good thrower. Now, does he have to be the best thrower in the league? He does not. And obviously, there will be games like the other night. They played a bad Cowboys defense in which the run game can be absolutely dominant,

and you don't need him to make great throws. Now, obviously, the touchdown to Brown was a great throw. And he's capable of those kinds of throws clearly. But he's not really a great thrower at this point, and he's got some mechanical issues that need to be worked out. we'll give him, I think you can give a lot of people Mulligans this year because of the nature of the season and the fact that practice is not the same and the offseason certainly wasn't the same. So I don't want to judge his whole career based on this season,

but there's no question that he needs improvement as a passer. And that's, I don't think, put aside the one lost record. That's one of those, you know, as a phenomenal one lost record, Alex Smith, we never talk about Alex Smith being a great quarterback. Yeah. So you've got to just be careful about throwing out one lost records. Yeah. So the point is, if you evaluate the player and you isolate his traits, he needs to improve as a passer.

By the way, Jalen Hertz considered a very good athlete, but, you know, I mean, Nick Saban moved off him for two. Right. Right. Will Philadelphia's offense when you look at film, will it look different? Forget the completions, but will they'll be, will it be a different offense with Hertz than Wentz? I'm sure they'll incorporate and integrate far and more designed run game concepts. You know, when I did Hertz coming out of Oklahoma in my evaluation, and again, I'm not one of those guys that says a guy stinks or he's great. I don't do that. I try to think of all the

possible variables. And I thought to myself, okay, what is he going to be in the league? Do you have to sort of structure an offense like a Lamar Jackson offense? Or over time, can you see this guy developing and maybe being like a Dak Prescott because he does have the same kind of body type. So I'm not sure, but I think early on, you're going to see a lot of design run game dimensions. And I also think you'll see him leave the pocket when he doesn't need to and make plays with his legs, because that's what he can do best right now. All right. And finally, boy, coaching matters. Baker Mayfield probably played. It was the most important game of his career. And I thought he, by and large, played very well. He has cut down significantly on the

mistakes. And I know it's the play of the week. And your, you're just thoughts overall on Baker and what you saw. Well, I'll tell you, when you started by saying coaching matters and you're 100% right because what did everybody think? They thought, okay, it's a Nick Chubb, Derek Henry game. The Browns come out. They hand the ball to Chubb. But they had studied, obviously, the Titans defense leading up to the game. And the Titans cannot rush the quarterback. And they're not very good in the secondary. So what did Kevin's DeFansky and staff do? They said, you know what? Yeah, we're a running team, but this week, we can throw the football. So we're going to come out and throw it because that's the weakness of the defense we're playing. That's smart coaching. And this play

actually that we're going to show, and we can show it right now, this was the play that really changed the game because the Titans had just made it 177. And the very next play, he hits Donovan People's Jones for a 75-yard touchdown. Beautiful design. Again, this is coaching. They had three tight ends on the field, what we call 13 personnel, one back and three tight ends. The only wide receiver on the field was People's Jones. And he was split to the boundary side of the formation. And there was Breon Borders who was matched up on him, a corner that struggled at times this year. Now, Amani Hooker's critical here. Look where he's lined up. He's the only safety, the post safety. He's away. He's on the opposite side from People's Jones. So what do the Browns do? They run what we

call power run action. Okay, gap scheme, the guard pulling, run action. Look at Hooker. He is at the line of scrimmage. So now, what do you have here? What's left? One on one on the outside. There's no safety help at all, and it's a stutter go. And this is beautifully executed by People's Jones, runs right by borders, and this becomes pitch and catch because he's so wide open. But again, coaching, design, scheme, use of personnel, use of formation, really, really well done. Good stuff. Greg CoSell, NFL Films 40 years. Good talking to you, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. See, we got a Baker play. It just took a while, but we got a Baker-Mayfield play.

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saying that aside from the Super Bowls, he is probably the greatest player ever. Aside from the Super Bowls, those are sort of important. The things that we all play for. Rogers couldn't help but smile when he was asked about the comments, though. I love Barbie. He's such an interesting, unique guy as well.

He, you know, he shoots from the hip. So, you know, he kind of says it's on his mind all the time. It's fun to be back in touch with them and to have that friendship and that kinship, and I appreciate anything that he says. Oh, look how happy. He's so happy. So cute.

Little bromance. I like it. I think it's nice because, you know, the stories were that he wasn't very welcoming to Aaron Rogers. Well, first of all, if you were Brett Favre and all of a sudden this really talented kid shows up, and by the way, he's younger and hipper than you, he's California, he's good looking, he's young and hip, You're a good old Southern boy. And he's kind of a, the story is, you know, Aaron would, you know, throw a poke a few things in his ribs. I'm not blaming Farr for all that.

Aaron probably loved poking far. That's his personality. I mean, I don't think it's outside of human nature for anyone to be a little prickly in that situation. I just think it's cute that they're friends now. But aside from that, I mean, I think there are some people who believe that Aaron Rogers is a better. overall quarterback than Tom Brady. Before the Atlanta Super Bowl, we were still having the conversation who was better. Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady with all of the Super Bowls that Tom Brady had before that

Super Bowl. I just like, after that Super Bowl, we all was just kind of like, okay, he's just the best. He's the goat of quarterbacks. Not the most talented. But the most, the greatest player of all time, I think a lot of people give that to Lawrence Taylor. Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice.

Yeah, you know, it's different. In basketball, the reason Magic LeBron and MJ and Kobe are so often called, like, greatest players and stuff is because they just have more talent. But in football, we tend to talk more about productivity. Well, that's why the Jordan conversation has lasted for as long as it has, because he did have the productivity and the championships and the talent. That's right. And so I think, I don't think, if you're asking me, Most talented, let's just change the topic to most talented quarterbacks of my life. I would say, Marino 1, Elway 2, boy, Mahomes is way up there.

Aaron, Favre, I wouldn't put Tom in that. So again, you're talking talent. You know, Aikman, again, Aigman was a really good quarterback. But why do we do that with Tom? Is it just because we just consider him so unathletic? I think because quarterback, we ask quarterback, for instance, Peyton Manning, literally changed football. Peyton was so smart, it was like Gary Kasparov with chess. You had to put him against the computer. So I think Peyton changed the game intellectually,

and it forced coaches and other teams to go, God, this guy is literally going to the line with four plays. So I look at quarterback. I think Peyton's the smartest. I think Dan Marino is one of the most gifted, talented guys. I think if you asked Troy Aikman, he would tell you, he would look at Dan Marino and go, like, some of Dan's throws, and I think Rogers tends to fall in the Dan Marino class where the ball comes out of his hand faster. It's almost like if you took a seed, a big seed, and you press your fingers together and it squirted out. That's what the ball looks like. It just looks better. It just looks better. And I think Aaron, you know, to remarkable how many people think I don't like, Aaron. There's things that bother me, and I think I was the first to notice some

body language stuff. But in terms of talent, I think I could make an argument that Mahomes, Aaron Marino are about as talented in Elway as anybody I've ever seen. It's really also tough to have the who's the best football player conversation. Without a bunch of wins. Well, no, I mean, just like who's the best player? Like, you have the whole, you have defense. Like, it's the best defensive players, the best quarterback, like a wide receiver is not going to play defensive end. Like the positions are so different, whereas in basketball, LeBron plays all the position. Aaron Rogers, or excuse me, Aaron Donald, the biggest gap in this league is Aaron Donald and the next best defensive line. So that's probably the better conversation.

Yeah. Who has the biggest separation between one and two? And it would be Aaron Donald. And Reggie White in his day. The second best defensive lineman was not close to Reggie White. So the Dolphins defense has been good this season, but they'll have their hands full with the Chiefs on Sunday. Brian Flores has experience facing the Holmes and the Chiefs from his time with Patriots and he knows this game's going to be a challenge. Yeah, I remember it was hard to stop them. It's still hard to stop. It's harder, probably harder to stop them now.

They've got a little bit of a killer instinct. You know, Mahomes has got it. Kelsey's got it. I wish we could have 14 defenders. That'd be nice. I like Flores making a joke, which is a completely straight face. They're tough this season. Number two in scoring offense, number one in total offense,

number one in passing offense, 16 in rushing offense. But the offense defense is playing really well. They have this number two scoring defense. They're kind of middle of the road and total defense, passing defense, and rushing defense. But they are number two in takeaways with 21. Only the Steelers have more. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's of all the layers of offense, coaching check, quarterback play, protection, weaponry.

It's just they're A and all of them. And that's very rare. They're a A and all of them. They really feel the Chiefs like a team. Like there's moments with the Steelers where I'm like, everything's not quite fluid yet. Yeah. It doesn't feel like, I feel like the defense is there,

but offensively I still feel like there's like just some stuff that needs to be worked out. You can see that with the Ravens. You can see that with really every team. The Chiefs feel like they all got it. Like they know each other. They know where they're supposed to be. They just feel so comfortable and fluid offensively. So they're going to be a problem.

But I do think this is going to be more of a competitive. of game than people think the Chiefs and Dolphins. So the Nets are reportedly on James Hardin's list of teams that he would like to be traded to. The move would obviously reunite Hardin and Kevin Durant, formerly the Thunder, together, but Katie isn't giving those rumors much attention. He said, I don't think about James Hardin at all. He doesn't play on our team.

I like that. That's actually the right answer. It is. It is. Hardin has reportedly expanded his list of preferred trade destinations, in addition to the Nets and 76ers, he would be open to join the bucks and the heat. Well, that's where he wants to go.

That's nonsense. Milwaukee, he doesn't fit. Jimmy Butler and James Harden. Jimmy Butler would resent James Hardin's game. I think they could make it work. But the only way you're coming to the heat is if you're buying into what's going on with the heat. Otherwise, the heat aren't going to do it.

That's not the type of organization they are. First of all, Nightlife Hardin in Miami. Sammy? I mean, look, he's earned that reputation, so you can't. Hard pass. There's no way he hasn't earned that reputation. That's, it's definitely something. A little bit of NBA news from Woage. Paul George has signed a maximum contract extension with the Clippers that'll guarantee him as much as $226 billion over the next five years. Well, you better start playing better in the postseason. That is a commitment. Clippers are all in. They're all in. Joy with the News.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So I've said this. There are certain awards in sports that I think have value. I'm not a big awards person. Like I watch the games.

I bet the games. I love data. I love mock drafts. I'm not really an award guy. And I've said this. Joy and I have both worked in like local radio and stuff. You know who can play and who can't. When the red light comes on,

this is just a little red light right here thing. It's on right now. the red lights on, are you a player or not? Some people are terrified. Oh my God, I don't know what to say. Some people aren't. Awards are subjective Emmys and local TV. None of that stuff ever matter. All the best people I work with were too busy breaking stories to worry about a resume tape and winning awards. I just don't care. Sports is the same. And there's a handful or okay. But the worst award in sports is the NBA MVP. because it's called most valuable. And I'll give you an example.

This year in the NFL, I would give it to Aaron Rogers and then Patrick Mahomes. If they were on the open market, everybody would want them. I mean, all but like one or two teams, right? Like that's how valuable they are. Everybody would want Mahomes if he's on the market. Almost everybody would want Aaron. In baseball, Mookie Betts or a Mike Trout. On the open market, if you could afford them, everybody would want them.

in hockey, and I may get this name wrong. Leon Drysidal. Boom! Everybody would want him. Heisman Trophy, Joe Burrow. If you offered him to the nation, a lot of people would want him. James Hardin, in the last four years in the MVP, has finished third, second, first, and second. The Lakers, he wouldn't work.

The heat, I don't think it fits. Milwaukee, I don't think he fits. Golden State couldn't use him. How would you have Steph, Clay, and Hardin? Where does he fit? Would you really want him to take the ball to Luke's hands? No. He wouldn't fit in Denver.

They have a point center. Valuable is LeBron. LeBron is water. He's a car. You can't get anywhere without LeBron. LeBron is basic transportation. Everybody needs a car. Hardens a speedboat.

Oh, it can be fun. but where do you put it? How many places can you own a speedboat? Miami and Miami? Like, speedboats are cool. They're not valuable. They're not necessary. So this is why I've always thought this award is nonsense.

Hardens a great talent, but valuable? He almost fits nowhere. You have to have a different system with him. You literally have to create an entirely different offense. He will take the ball. away from other players. Jimmy Butler plays so hard on both ends. He'd play with Hardin and his Ole defense.

He would resent him. Jimmy Butler's whole thing is total commitment, 40 minutes, both ends. So that award is you'd have to remake your whole team for Hart. There's a lot of guys in this league. It's amazing who gets love and who doesn't. Chris Paul all hears people whining about him. Everywhere he goes, he wins.

all I hear people whining about Chris Paul, he wins. I thought we cared about winning, that and betting and winning. That's all we care about. Urban Meyer, Ohio State is in. Urban Meyer is joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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I can remember when he was coaching at Utah, and I used to cover the Oregon Ducks, and I would tell my friends, whoever this Urban Meyer guy is, he is working the PAC 12. I think he beat Cow one year and he beat Oregon, and they were good teams with good coaches like Jeff Tedford and Mike Bellotti.

And I remember telling people, I'm like, this guy, you watch these games, he is working these staffs. Urban went on to win a couple of national titles with the Gators in Florida, who were really good this year with Dan Mullen, and he won at Ohio State. And I always love this staties.

He's one of three coaches to lead multiple schools to a title. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Pop Warner. If you're ever in a category with Pop Warner, you've had a great career. And Urban's now joining me live, Fox College Football. So let's start with this, Coach. Urban, I said I thought Ohio State deserved to be in. It wasn't their fault for a couple of the cancellations. The Big Ten was willing to evolve and adapt.

Were you surprised the conference did adapt? because they could have easily not done that. Well, the Big Ten, they came out very rigid. Remember when the commissioner said that we would not revisit playing? They did revisit and they're playing. Then all of a sudden you have that 21-day rule for the athletes when the other conferences had 10 days for the COVID, people that got COVID. And then the six-game rule, you know, I think that showed great flexibility

and conversation among the Big Ten conference. You know, if there was not a head-to-head, this would be a problem. but there was a head-to-head and they beat Indiana. Indiana played two more games. I'll tell you what, Colin, my heart, all of our hearts go out to Indiana. That team was a special team. They beat Michigan State, the Wolverines, and Penn State in three weeks in a row. And now this would be the year they could have a chance to go compete for a championship

and they won't have it. Yeah. You know, Justin Fields, you know, there's been three quarterbacks since I've been a sportscaster that I've said you have to pick number one. John Elway, Andrew Luck, and Trevor Lawrence just feel different to me. Now, Justin Fields is really good, and in any other year I'd have him number one. He'll probably be the second quarterback taken. My question is this, beyond me watching games, tell me about Justin Fields that I don't see and don't know.

Well, I think when you start talking about franchise quarterbacks or picks, it's got to be more than just the ability to play. It's got to be, can he be a leader in the locker room? because that will never change that position he has to lead. What I noticed about Justin Fields, especially during his difficult season, his leadership skills are, I didn't know that. I'm not sure Ryan Day and Corey Dennis, who recruited him knew it. But he's taken over the locker room. He's a great leader.

He's a great worker. So that's what I think. People see a guy that's Braxton Miller fast, Dwayne Haskins accurate, yet what they don't see is incredible leadership and character. And that's what's really important, especially if you're going to sink that kind of money. an investment in a player. Yeah.

So, you know, we talk about college football, and I've said this before. Brian Kelly has gotten Notre Dame back to a place I never thought they'd get back to. And I didn't. I said they haven't academically. I think it's kind of a town. It's small. It's isolated.

There's a religious overtone. And I said this for, I've said this for 15 years. Like eight wins, nine wins. That's great for Notre Dame. And stop ripping the coaches. Brian Kelly has got them now, as you all know on the recruiting trail. That's a real football program, and I'd put them in the top five or six in the country. I want you to talk a little bit about Brian Kelly, what you know.

Because I really think they, this year I absolutely believe. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Clemson, Bama are the four best teams. And I think they could all give each other good games. Are you a little surprised? You know Notre Dame. Well, you used to be there. With some of their barriers, they have become a top four to five program. I know Brian Kelly very well.

And I've always appreciated the coaches that have won at all levels. And you're talking about Grand Valley Strait, Central Michigan, and then to Cincinnati and then to Notre Dame, and he's a winner. You know, this is not shocking that he's doing this in Notre Dame. I think he's one of the most underrated coaches in the country. Is Notre Dame at times a tough sell? It is. And other times it's an actually easy sell because certain kids have grown up and, you know,

the Catholic schools, you got an instant, you know, that's where a lot of great football football is played in some Catholic high schools across America. So he's got a built-in advantage, but for the most part, you have to go out work people. He does not have a backyard. You know, these other programs, Ohio has Ohio, Texas has Texas, California, you know, UCLA and USCF California. Indiana high school football is good, but the quantity is not there. So he's a national recruiter.

So I've always been a fan of Brian Kelly. I've coached against him a couple of times. And I just think he's one of the best, you know, one of the top five coaches in the country. You know, it's interesting. Your name comes up all the time. And I have said this, and I'm sure you threw the grapevine, you hear this eventually, but I've said this before. If there was an NFL job open, I've said this before. If I was the Jets, I'd go hire you. You'd be who I'd hire with the Jets. I've said this USC and Texas, if they had openings. I'd be like, that's the guy I'd hire, Urban Meyer. You've had physical things you and I have

discussed. Is it, Bob Stoops has told me privately and publicly, I'm done coaching. And then he goes back to the XFL because there's an itch. There's nothing like game day. There's nothing like changing lives of young people. Can you definitively say, I'm done with coaching forever? Or are there mornings you wake up on Saturday, Urban? And you can just, you want to be in that stadium. There's more than mornings, Colin.

You can't do something as long as I've done it, that you just feel open empty. I have a great spot in Fox. And I love Reggie, Matt Brady, and Rob Stone. We have a great group. I really have absorbed that. and embraced it. But to say, I don't think about it.

It's every day. But it'd have to be the perfect, perfect situation. It'd be something that I was confident that the health issues I could overcome and at least prevent. So I don't know. At this point, I think I'm done. But I've learned a long time ago. I left a job once where I thought I really plan on being there.

Then you get a phone call from a better opportunity. So I think I'm done, but I would never say I'm never done. Yeah. You know, it is interesting. In college, Brian Kelly told me two weeks ago on the air, he goes, the one thing I like about it, he goes, unless your name is Belichick or Andy Reed, you can't control your personnel. And in college, you can control your personnel. One of the things that makes you special is you really like changing lives. It's a big deal for you. You take people, you mold them.

Professional football is almost a different platform. You know, they've had parenting. They've had coaching. Is the pro football world to you? I always thought you looked at it from afar. But as you're now out of football, how do you view the NFL coaching jobs? How do you view them?

Strange, interesting, or a billionaire you wouldn't want to deal with? You know, I have unique experiences. I've been a part of all the NFL teams' franchises in some way. How? Because they've come through my office and looked at our players and a lot of them draft our players. So last year was the first time I called it.

a good chunk of our players that are currently playing in the NFL. And I was so intrigued about why is this organization really struggling? And then why is this one, you know, the New Orleans Saints? I think we have five players there right now. I was so intrigued because I've known Sean Payton for 20 years. And Mike Vrable, what makes Mike Vrable's, you know, such a good coach in the NFL? So I've got a little bit of a grasp on it now.

I never really did. I never have time. But it always, you know, I don't want to be so simple. It comes down to culture and leadership. And if you have control of an organization, where you can build a culture. The most perfect example is Bill Belichick. He has built a culture there of excellence.

Other places have not because it's been a revolving door, and really they have not put a premium on that, in my opinion. And it's a very strong opinion because I've witnessed it through my former players. So I've studied it, and I think it comes down to, I don't, you know, I get a little tired when you say, well, the NFL college, and, you know, I think whether it's a corporate America, whether it's a group, professional organization or a great college team. Alignment, culture, and leadership are essential. By the way, that's either your office or Ohio State. Tell the people where you're at.

Yeah, Fox put this studio in and they kind of put it behind. I noticed, I didn't even see what's back there. There's some balls from Utah. I'm at my home at Columbus. Okay, home of Columbus. There you go. Urban Meyer. Great talking to you, coach. Great senior college. All right. College football and list. He's been terrific. He's gone all in on it, by the way. He's one of these guys. When Urban's into something, he's into something. I tell the story years ago. I was told this, not by Urban by somebody else. So when Urban, he'd gone to Utah and Bowling Green. Bowling Green first at Juan, went to Utah. And then he was up. He went to Florida. But Notre Dame

and Florida were both interested. And Lou Holtz may deny this, but he called Lou Holtz because he had been on Lou Holtz's staff. So Urban was the young star coach on one of Lou Holtz's staffs. And he called Lou Holtz. And he said, well, where should I go? And I don't think I've ever told Urban this. But I heard this story is that Lou Holtz said, go to Florida. He says you can just get more players. Like this is all about town accumulation. At Florida, you'll have a, I think your recruiting will be better at Florida. And therefore, you'll have more to work with at Florida. And that wasn't Lou being anti-Noderdame. It was the reality of Notre Dame. As Lou lived through his Notre Dame experience, toward the end with Lou, he had fought with administration to get

certain kids in. And so it's, but I'll tell you on Brian Kelly, it's like Urban said, there's a lot of roadblocks. I mean, it's in the middle of nowhere. It is cold. It is isolated. There's not much to do. Academic load is tough. There's a religious overtone.

But it's also Jesuit high school football in America is wildly powerful, and that's the first place you look. So it's a little both. Michelin Endurance XT silicone wiper blades. Weather's getting bad. They're real world proven. Walmart's the place to get them. Last two times longer than all other blades.

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