The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 12/15/2020 - HOUR 2 - Herd Hierarchy

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

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You know, I know everybody does like a top 10 list. I get it. I have a feeling like you're really going to upset some people today. I think like always, I'm America's honesty broker. So here we go, my herd hierarchy. Heard hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go.

The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. I don't give a rip about your record. What are you today? The Steelers are the 10th best team in the NFL. Fewer than 20 points in three straight games. Held under 50 rushing yards. It's like high school in five of seven games.

Okay, this is a team. The only reason you make the list, you lead the NFL and takeaways, your defense can overwhelm a bad offensive line, and you have the most sacks. T.J. Watt is unblockable. So you're a top 10 team, and you can create points with your defense.

If you can't run the ball at all, In December and January, you're not a Super Bowl team. You can be a good team. I can love your coach. But this is where you are. You're 10. Number nine. Tampa Bay.

Could somebody tell me what their identity is? They had a buy week. I still can't figure it out. They're just a collection of good players. By the way, they got a Mike Tyson quality. They're great against bad fighters. They're six and one against teams that are 500 or worse. But I can't get past this.

They're two and four against teams with winning records. So they're not a Super Bowl team either. Now, they have the number one rush defense and the number six scoring offense, but to me, they're just a collection of really good players and they're going to get to the playoffs. And I think they'll probably win a playoff game, but like Pittsburgh, this morning, what is their offensive identity? They don't have one. Number eight. The Cleveland Browns. You know what?

Their back-end defense is too big of a liability to win a Super Bowl. and their point differential of minus 20 this year. The only team in the league with nine or more wins with a negative point differential, but they run the football. I think you could argue they have the best offensive line in the game. Baker's interception last night was not a terrible interception. It was a great play by Baltimore.

I think they're going to be fun for the next several years. If you have the best offensive line and best rushing game in the NFL, you're a playoff team. And they are absolutely a playoff team. but that defense on the back end spent a little less money on wide receivers and tight ends. Number seven. The Seahawks. Very interesting.

Their next three games at Washington, tough, Rams, and at the 49ers. They could go one and two or O and three. These are not all good matchups for them because they all have great defensive fronts. But they're allowing 12 points a game over the last three games, best in the NFL. Their defense has 24 sacks since week nine. And think about that. No other team has 19. So they have solved their big problem.

They're taking the ball away and they have a pass rush. If this team has more variables than anybody in the top 10, I think they could be as good as the second best team in the league and be the 10th or 11th best team in the league. If they're healthy at running back, you don't want to face them in the playoffs, Seattle at 7. Number six. But today, I think Baltimore, even with all their injuries,

would beat them head to head. Great rushing offense. Lamar leads all quarterbacks with 793 rushing yards. Baltimore's all beat up last night in the secondary. Otherwise, if Lamar doesn't get cramps and they don't have secondary issues, this could have been kind of an ugly game. I think this team needs to get healthy. But this idea that we're still banging on Lamar,

who's got a 95 quarterback rating, has won 75% of his games and can do things in football games that no other human being on the planet could do You can sell your stock. I wouldn't want to face the Ravens in the playoffs. I have them at six. Number five. I think I have the Rams low, but I worry about Goff's inconsistency.

First of all, this team is 34 and O when they lead at half under Sean McVeigh. And they usually lead at half. He's a very creative guy. He comes out. They're hard to stop in the opening drive. They're the only team in the NFL that has outgained opponents by a thousand plus yards. Not even the chiefs have done that. They're also, they've allowed the fewest.

big plays in the NFL. You've got to march down the field on them. That secondary is the best, and it's young. They got the best corner in the NFL that matches up with all the star receivers. I do worry about Goff's propensity to turn it over. He gets into these tunnels of turnovers, and he can get them out of sorts very quickly. Number four. Saints. I think they beat the Rams, I'm not sure. I think their defense, because it didn't have a lot of stars, doesn't get talked about, they don't have an Aaron Donald.

Boy, their defense is good. And listen, they're 8-0 without Breeze. Here's the thing, though. They need Breeze. The last two weeks, people have caught up to Taysam Hill. Okay, in the last two weeks, 21 points. With Breeze, 24 or more. And we knock on Breeze for not throwing the deep ball.

So I do think with Taysam Hill, they're more athletic, but the league, there are limitations on what they can do. but the reason I put them here, four, is because they're getting Breeze back. And I think this defense and coaching and situational football, they're as good at that stuff as anybody in the league. Number three. The Packers.

Listen, they're 10 and 1 against everybody else in the league, and 0 and 2 against teams with winning records. That's got to freak you out if you're in Green Bay. Yes, Aaron's going to get my MVP. Yes, Devonte Adams is great. What I worry about, though, is I watch them in that second half against the Colts, And Aaron just sits and watches the football game because their run defense worries me. It was much better against Detroit this week.

But I have them at number three. Number two. Kansas City. Five straight wins by one possession. Red zone offense is now a problem. The Dolphins outscored them with three rookie offensive linemen, Devante Parker out, and fourth string running back, outscored him 17 to 3 in the fourth quarter. By the way, they're at the Saints this weekend.

and I can't figure out why they're favored by four. They are not playing great football today, Kansas City at 2. Number one. This morning, Buffalo is absolutely the best team in the NFL. They're a hail-Mary away from winning their last seven. The only team in the NFL, the only one, with 20 or more first downs every game, they've allowed fewer than 25 points in three straight games. Their defense leads the NFL by a mile in fourth quarter takeaways.

So they're playing great situational football. Since week nine, they score more than the Chiefs. They have more touchdown to interception ratios better. Their point differential is better. Their turnover differential is better. And they've got fewer penalties in the last three weeks. This morning, Buffalo is the best football team in the NFL. I think this morning the Rams could beat the Saints maybe.

So I may have done the Rams low, but I didn't want to overreel. react to losing to Jalen Hertz. You'd never seen him. You were guessing defensively. You had a backup quarterback. And I'm like, come on. Saints had no idea what Philadelphia was going to run. I'm going to give you a pass on that.

All right. Now, now, I know, I know. Andy Reid's probably throwing pencils and stuff. So the Buffalo, Kansas City thing is everybody will overreact. So let's just do a superficial dive to start. Last three weeks. That's current. Let's stay current on this.

This herd hierarchy is. about this week. Now, last three weeks, Buffalo is won by 10, 10, and 11. Kansas City is won by 3, 6, and 6. But that's superficial. Who would they play? Let's dig deeper. Defense last three weeks. Buffalo is allowing 330 yards a game, Kansas City over 370. Buffalo's better there. Let's go to the details, penalties. Last three weeks, Buffalo 20, Kansas City 23. We'll call that even. Last three weeks, this league is about red zone, scoring opportunities. That's what the playoffs are, folks. Ain't about the 20s. It's about

do you settle for field goals or do you get touchdowns when you get your opportunities? Because Mahomes and Josh Allen are going to get you in the red zone. Last three weeks, Kansas City one red zone touchdown, Buffalo 6. That's why they're number one. You're going to get to the playoffs. Mahomes

is going to get you down the field. You're not going to get all these free Tyreek Hill over the top touchdowns in the playoffs. You're playing the best defenses, the best coordinators, the best coaches. You're going to get down and get a first and goal. at the nine. Kansas City's settling for field goals over the last three games. Buffalo's scoring touchdowns. Today they're a better team than Kansas City. Very go. Feel good about it. Feel confident. Not kidding. Flexing. Feel very good. James Harrison's around the corner. I think Steeler Nations

come to their senses and realize I'm an empathetic man and an honest one in Pittsburgh. Just not a great football team right now. James Harrison. The two-time Super Bowl champ from Pittsburgh will join us next. four hours a day, seven days a week within the IHard Radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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so I'm going to take Ohio State. You know, speaking of that, our next guest went to Kent State was undrafted, and he's the only undrafted player to ever be named NFL defensive player of the year. I think one of the reasons I love the NFL is that the football culture in America, it just, it builds you into being resilient.

You don't get drafted. You've got to go a long route. And nobody's done that route in the history of the league, I would argue better than James Harrison, 15 years, five pro bowls, all-time sack leader for the Steelers, which is saying something. He joins us now. So I've said this, is I don't get too caught up, James, on records. I mean, obviously, you have to get into the playoffs.

But I've watched Pittsburgh over the last four weeks, and I'm like, I'm sorry, they can't run the football. it's December. And they just don't, they don't do it for me. Like when you watch the Steelers and their record, do you see a team that can win multiple playoff games today? I feel like the Steelers can move on multiple playoffs game. Not the way they're playing now, no.

I think they need to get back to being able to actually run the ball. You know, go ahead and grind some things out. Don't put everything on, you know, on Ben's arm. I think the offensive line, they're going to have to do, you know, a little bit. better job of creating holes. You know, running backs are going to have to get, get healthy. You know, Connor, he was out in and out, you know, COVID, so on and so forth. But the biggest thing, the receivers need to catch the ball, I believe they're number one in

drops, you know. So if the guys aren't catching the ball when you're doing things where you're trying to get, you know, run alternative plays where you're thinking and dunking, because you're not doing a great job of running the ball and they're dropping those passes, you know, that's going to create the things that you see. You know, you only got 16 points in game. Of course, of the last two losses, I think is 275 yards, both of those 27, 28. And along with, I think it's like below 30% on third down. Yeah, the bad third down team right now.

So I am a defender of Lamar Jackson, and my theory is, if you're unbelievable at one thing, you don't have to be great at everything else. he is so spectacular as an athlete, I'm going to live with the fact. He struggles throwing the ball outside of the hash marks up the field. It's not great at it, but he's so good at everything else. You know, a lot of people are like, you know, it's not going to last forever. It's a little sticky.

I think you can build your franchise around Lamar. I saw it last night. You know, where do you land with him going forward? I'm sort of middle because right now he can do all those things. He can create plays with his legs, and that's the biggest thing about him is that he can throw the ball. He's not extremely great at doing it,

but he can do it effectively, and the fact that he runs the ball effectively, that means that you have to either sit back and have a bunch of guys in coverage that's spying, or you've got to try and rush him and hope you don't lose contain or he breaks contain. The thing that they did, you know, last year, that they didn't continue to do it into the playoffs,

if they didn't continue the run past that they were doing with him, They were trying to make him a straight, you know, pocket passing quarterback, and that's not what he is. Right. I think it's effective to do it now because he's young. You can get, you know, four, five, six years out of it easily. But, I mean, if he wants to be in there 10, 12 years, I think at some point he's going to be able, he's got to be able to effectively pass the ball all across the field. So, you know, it's interesting. James, you played on a couple of not just good but great teams.

And I've said this about Kansas City. They are so talented and can score so brilliantly and quickly that they don't always play with a ton of urgency. There's kind of a feel like the Warriors with Durant and Steph, sometimes they're just kind of sitting around waiting to flip a switch. Go back to the best teams you were on, one or two of them. Did you get into points during the season where you guys watch film? You know who you're playing. You know you're favored. You know you got better players.

is it hard sometimes to get motivated when you're on a super team? For me, it wasn't hard to be motivated because you wanted to keep that top spot. You always knew that the team that you were playing against were trying to beat a team to knock you off to be the ones that said, they may not win a game all season, but if they go in there and they beat the Steelers, just like right now, if they go in there and they beat Kansas City, you know, that's going to be a notch under their belt. They're defending champions, especially, you know, after you've done, won a Super Bowl. So for me personally and the teams that I played on, if we lost to someone that

we shouldn't, which, you know, that seemed to happen, you know, a lot where we would lose to a team that, you know, we shouldn't lose to. And, you know, they would say we'd be the team that we shouldn't be. But for me personally, I didn't, I didn't have that issue. It may have been, you know, other guys that, you know, look past them and, you know, like, dude, like, hey, he's looking at next week already, you know, not really, you know, paying attention to, you know, all the things that, the details, you know, that we need to pay to pay attention to and looking at, you know, who we're trying to play next week because that may be a bigger and more difficult upon. So the two of the teams that I think of you is Steelers and Patriots.

And these are really well-run organizations. And in fact, New England always talks about, it's not about collecting players. it's about building teams. Tampa is not a winning organization. And I watch them this year, James. And they look like a collection of players. They come off a buy. I still can't figure out their identity on offense. I can't figure it out. Like when you watch Tampa, do you see a team? Do you see a personality or an identity? Or is it just a bunch of dude took and ball? I hate to. I mean, I have to kind of agree with you there. It's a collection of guys that play good ball, you know, that are great players or good players. And it looks like, you know,

they're not keyed in and locked into exactly, you know, what it is, you know, play in, play out, weekend, week out. And, you know, that's what you get. You get what you're looking at is, you know, something that doesn't look like a coordinated effort. It looks like no identity. You know, guys, you know, may do something here and there for a week and the next week. You look in there like what happened, you know, the previous week. Yeah. Finally, we are now late in the season. You were known as kind of a workout guy, always in unbelievable shape. And I'm sitting watching these teams now, and I'm thinking so much of the sport is mental from like week 13 on.

Everybody's hurt. Everybody's banged up. Nobody's got all their dudes. Go back to your career. Was this your favorite time of the year? Did the game change for you late December and January? For me, I think the fact that I continue to work out, you know, you know, all year round. A lot of guys, you know, they get, you know, later into the year and they stopped hitting the gym, you know, two, three times a week where they were normally hitting it maybe four times, four or five times a week. They're going two, three times. You get later into it and then you start getting a little nagging injury. So instead of, you know, converting their workout so that they can still work out, they say, you know what, I'm not even going to work out.

So for me, it wasn't that I got stronger later or better later into the seasons, just that I kept up what I started with at the beginning of the season and carried it all the way through to the end. Longest interception return for a touchdown in Super Bowl history, 100 yards against the Cardinals. James Harrison, 15 years in the league. Good seeing you, bud. Thank you. Good seeing you, too. Yeah, you know, I've talked to so many players over the years on this.

The game really changes. It really becomes a mental game of attrition. I mean last night, Baltimore's prime example. Baltimore's secondary is fantastic. The Rams and the Ravens have the best secondaries in the league. The difference is the Rams is healthy, and the Ravens last night, it started falling apart. And when it did, that's when Jimmy Smith gets hurt and Marcus Peter banged up, comes back, not the same. That's the key to their defense.

And so much of this sport is situational. Are you healthy? Where you at mentally is the strength of your team strong? That's why last night was just a classic. late season game. It's Baltimore's falling apart physically. You know, Cleveland's racing back. Lamar's got cramping.

Comes back in, saves the day. It was like, that's what the NFL is in December. New streaming service called Discovery app next year. New streaming service. Discovery Plus, old favorites like the Food Network and exclusive originals to. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, the Steelers are trending in the wrong direction with the playoffs just a few weeks away. And after their second straight loss, Rathusberger is taking a lot of blame for Pittsburgh's recent skid. Right now, I'm not playing good enough football for us to win. If I don't play good enough football, then I need to hang it up. But I'm going to do everything I can to give us back on track. Why is he always talking about retiring? Because I think that creates Ben's a little needy.

And so when he talks about retiring, it sets up this, oh, you're leaving us. Don't leave us. Ben, don't leave us. So Brady doesn't have that issue. He never even, he is upset if you talk retiring. Right. Ben likes, I mean, you're a Pittsburgh girl. Hasn't this been a knock on Ben from day one.

He's a little dramatic. Well, yeah, but like the Pittsburgh, we can deal with the dramatics because, you know, we can deal with personalities. That's just how it is. But to me, like, just because you're not playing well, don't start talking about retiring. Like, it's exhausting. And you were just injured. So I don't want to hear about this. And he's not playing well.

I understand taking the blame for things. A lot of it just drops. It's insane. Catch the ball. I know. And they're easy throw. They're not difficult sideline route. Yes, it's not like you have.

This is Ben Rothelberger throwing to you. Catch the ball. I have no idea what the issue is. I mean, as Mike Tomlin say, I expect people to make routine plays routinely. Like, these are not, they're not asking a lot from you here. Like, this is what is supposed to happen. I don't put this on Ben at all. I just don't like hearing about retirement.

Like, he's playing well this year, which I didn't know what to expect from Ben Rothertsburgh coming up of that injury at this point in his career. But I don't like hearing about, I need to hang it up. Yeah. Like, I'm not going through that roller coaster. Yeah. So Sam Darnold and the Jets have three more chances to get a win. and avoid an 0-16 season.

There haven't been that many. I mean, I don't have it in front of me, but how many have there been? I want to say there's been three. There was a Lions team that went 0-16. There was a Lions and the Browns. Did the Buccaneers back in the day, they had a really good defense with the Leroy Selman?

The Seahawks would score points. They never went 0-16. There was a really bad Tampa team one year. The Dolphins almost did it. Almost. Yeah. But they didn't. But despite all the struggles this year, he doesn't want to start over with another team.

He said, I love it here. I love the people. I love living here. I've always said I wanted to be a jet for life. But that decision isn't necessarily up to me. That's how I feel. I'm always going to believe in myself. I have that most confidence in myself to go out there and play good football on Sundays.

Yeah, not really his call. And he has regressed badly. And that's just not going to happen. You know, I love Sam Darnold. But it's so weird to me. So Sam, at the end of last year, had a winning record played well. came into this year and he has gotten so bad. And I'm not saying tanking, but I'm saying like the offense, he's got more weapons.

Why is he regressing? Now, he did get hurt. Some of it's that. I find the whole Jets thing, why didn't they fire Gase? Oh, well, I think they didn't fire Gase because Gase is terrible and they need to ensure that they do not win a game this season. At this point in the season, the organization needs to. So ask yourself this. Gays can't win a game.

He's an offensive guy and Darnold is massively regressed and they still haven't fired him. Like something's not right. Sam Darnold is better than this. He may not be. He is, but also it's, you know, when you, and listen, they don't have a lot of talent. No. That's not mince words here. I, again, I stand by that players don't intentionally tank.

Like every player on this team is putting out resume tape for their next job and for the organization that they're in now because there is going to be a new head coach there this year. We're all assuming that there's going to be a new head coach and a whole new entire system. And they need to prove that they belong with that team as well. So players don't have any, it doesn't serve any player on that team to go 0.N 16. It just, it doesn't. Like, first of all, that's going to be on your, you know, legacy or your resume. They've no desire to do that.

They don't care about what this organization is planning on doing for the future. They may not even be there. So that's not the case. but I do think that they kept Gase on because he's not helping the team. And, you know, Sam Darnold is what Sam Donald is at this point. Like, if you want to invest in Sam Donald and make a trade for him, you're going to do that regardless of what you've seen with Gase, because everyone knows what the situation is in New York.

And there are some teams that could use them. You have the Colts, Washington, Sealers. Pittsburgh needs a backup. 49ers. The Saints. We don't know what's going on with Taysam Hill or if James Winston's going to be there next year. The Bears, the Lions. And those are all teams that are not. at top the draft. Even as a backup, if you're the Chargers, and you tell Sam Darnold,

you want to live at home, come back, backup Justin Herbert, you probably won't start, but if it gets hurt, I mean, at this point, I'm not sure what you could get for Sam. I'm not sure you could get a third round pick for him. I don't think, you couldn't get a first or a second. I don't know if you get a third, maybe a fourth. I'm dead. That's how bad he's leave. He's regressed. I do think you're going to get a draft pick for him, though. Like, that's going to happen. So some big NBA news that just happens. Janice has decided to stay in Milwaukee. Wow. Here we go.

He just posted the social media that he will sign the Supermax extension with the Bucks. It'll keep him with the team for the next five years and it's worth $228 million. Okay. He said, posted this on Instagram. This is my home. This is my city. I'm blessed to be able to be a part of the Milwaukee Bucks for the next five years. Let's make these years count.

The show goes on. Let's get it. Well, it's better for the league. frankly, it even though it's good for talent to be somewhat evenly dispersed, although villains and star teams are good. But this is, it's just not good for the NBA. If Milwaukee and Memphis can't ever keep stars or Sacramento, it's bad for the league. The bottom is then, at least the bottom of the NFL was Cleveland two years ago, and now

they're a playoff team. You've got to give fans hope. In the NFL, you always, like the Jags, this. morning feel like, oh, if we get Justin Field. Like, there's always hope in pro football. NBA sometimes, you do feel hopeless as a bottom 18. It can also be, you know, very top heavy and, you know, very coastal, the NBA. I think it's great for the Bucks.

I think it's great for Milwaukee. I don't think it's great for Yonis. I don't believe it, they'll win a championship. I agree. I think Drew Holiday was an excellent addition for them. But as far as the Bucks go, I'll believe it when I see it. That's where I am with the Bucks. in the same space as I am with the Bucks,

with the Celtics. I've been hearing this, Yap, yap, yap, yap, yap. Best team in the league. MVP's system. Where's the wins? Where's the rings? I don't see them. Thank you. So whenever you guys arrived there,

which you have not arrived, then I will give you the credit. Until then, I've given enough energy to both of those organizations in the East. And nothing has come of it the last couple years. That's right. The Bucks should have been in the NBA finals this year.

Win games. games. Win big playoff games. Get to the finals. You can lose the finals. You're allowed to lose the finals to LeBron James. You're allowed to lose the finals to the Warriors. You have to get to the NBA finals. I don't want to hear about it with either of these teams. Congratulations

to Janus. That's incredible. And he's an unbelievable player and super fun to watch. But we'll see it on the championship side. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. You know, people say, the NBA is too coastal.

It is. For the record, so is technology. If you look at the technology hubs in America, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston's huge, D.C., New York. A lot of the hubs in technology are very coastal. There's not as much in Indianapolis or Kansas City. There's nothing against them.

There are things that get very coastal. You have better seafood on the coasts. You generally have better, less harsh winter weather on the coast. The coasts are also more easily accessible to people from other countries. Yes. Which is a big part of our economy, trade and port cities and

progression and business. But I do think the one thing the NFL has really got going for it. Mahomes is from Kansas City. That's really good. Pittsburgh. I mean, if you start looking at the NFL right now, this is why I love their next 10 years. Buffalo is going to be great.

Kansas City is going to be great. Green Bay with Aaron Rogers is going to be great. That matters. There is a sense in the NFL of hope and we can all play. And I think that's an incredibly important thing because I think hope, it doesn't matter if you're a poor team,

a poor person. You have to sense there is a chance to get out. And I think by Yonah staying, it's like, okay, we can compete. We can compete. And there's value in that. And by the way, I get tired of, oh, you're an elitist, you're coastal. well, whatevers.

But I do think they're in professional sports. Indianapolis, Green Bay, Buffalo, Kansas City, Indianapolis. They have to feel like they've got a shot. That's why Peyton Manning and Brett Farrve were so huge for the NFL. And every team is not a championship organization. That's right. It's perfectly fine.

Just be competitive every year. I just don't like hearing about how they're going to win the championship. Like when you do that, then we start having those conversations. There you go. Jordan Palmer, former NFL quarterback coach, he discovered very early Josh Allen, and oh, my Lord, is that kid great? Jordan Palmer, brother of Carson, always great to have on the show, joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Search learn the hard way and listen now. He's worked with Joe Burrow and Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. He's a quarterback coach. It's called the quarterback summit, a program that helps quarterbacks reach their potential. Jordan Palmer, every time we bring you on, I get so much feedback from people around the NFL.

They love these segments. Let's start with Lamar. My argument is, when you're so great at one thing, I can live. Dennis Rodman was such a great rebounder. I could deal with your offense. But Lamar Jackson concerns you a little. on the throwing. Well, it's just specifically the control of the ball. And I'm the first to say,

we need to slow down these expectations and the pace at which we expect people to be at certain points. We need to slow it down with these young guys. Because he was an MVP in his second year, I think the expectation is that now it's Super Bowl and now the reality is it takes some time to develop the control of the ball. And he's the most exciting athlete at the position in the sport, no questions asked. But even on completions, it's little detailed accuracy. It's a little low. It's a little bit behind. We see him last night miss a couple throws, but a lot of guys miss some throws. Can you get better at that?

100%. So I look at Lamar and I go, he's not in a position right now to, I think, win a Super Bowl because of accuracy because he's going to be going against the guys that we're going to, you know, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, these guys later. But that's absolutely in front of him. And one big offseason of developing

control of the ball takes him to another level than he's even been at yet. And that's the level that these other guys like Patrick have been at. Six years in the NFL Jordan Palmer is joining us. Did you ever think working with Josh Allen he would be this good? Not this soon. I'll be honest. Everybody works hard. Everybody cares. And there's just there are levels to that. But he's a perfect example of there's a handful of spots in the league. Buffalo's one of them, Baltimore, Kansas City, the Rams where they have it right. They have built around the young quarter. They got the young quarter. quarterback, the GM, the head coach, it's all put together. And with Josh, he's worked really hard,

he's developed, he's ahead of a lot of people's schedule if there was one, but he's also in a spot where Brian Dable, Brandon Bean brings and makes these moves to get him and then they build around him. They get Mitch Morse, the center who was with Patrick Mahomes and Stefan Diggs. And it's all the pieces coming together. The other quarterbacks in the room, Ken Dorsey, the quarterback coach. So Josh Allen deserves a lot of credit for his success, but what Terry and Kim Pagula have done to not just go get him, but the pieces that are around him, he really is in one of the most desirable situations that you can be in. And he's taking advantage of it and eliminating mistakes and getting better, I think each week right now. Yeah, I mean, if his coordinator, head coach, and GM were on the market, they would get scooped up in one second. That's when you know you have the right people.

Jalen Hertz, were you surprised how effective it was? I'm not surprised at how he handled the situation. I believe that success leaves clues. You can study success. And I believe that successful people more often get behind a successful behavior than they do just a successful trait or talent. And with Jalen Hertz, you got to go, like in high school, he just kind of won. And then when he went to Bama and at a time, before Tua was there,

they weren't getting the number one recruit in the country at quarterback. No, they were kind of getting guys that didn't even get looked at by NFL teams. You know what I mean? These guys had a lot of success there. And so Jalen, but he just kind of, he ran the ball efficiently. He never cost his team the win. And he took advantage of opportunity. So he did that until Tua took over and we all watched that.

And then he went to Oklahoma and he did the exact same thing. So success leaves close. He's had success at every phase. So him getting in a situation where a team's in a little bit of turmoil, they're playing against another good team. He's got weapons around him. Yeah, I was not surprised. that he ran the ball efficiently,

didn't cost his team the game, and handled the moment really well, because that's what he's always done. You know, we're always looking for the next new thing in football technology, and maybe we're forgetting about Deshawn Watson, you think? Yeah, I think it's important for anybody who loves the storylines and talking quarterbacks,

I sure do, I know you do too, to just pause, this is a big picture, just pay attention to what to show, just pay attention to Sean Watson this year. Because in my opinion, this is as bad as it will get. This is the worst situation. Of course he's ever been in, but he ever will be in again because he's the type of leader and champion and the aura that in high school he won championships in basketball and football. He played good enough to win two championships in college. He was 33 and three as a starter. Wins his division in the NFL. Wins his division every year he's done it.

He didn't in his rookie year because he tore his ACL. But the only times he hasn't won is when he's gotten hurt, which is only twice. And so I look at the GM, the head coach. Hopkin, all the movement, all the chaos. This is the most enticing employee of the NFL to work with right now. If you're a GM, you want this job. If you're a coach, you want this job. If you're a free agent wide receiver, you want to go play for this team. So this right now, and him playing at the level he's playing at with what's around him,

this is as bad a situation as he's going to be in. So if you're a fan of quarterbacks, watch how he continues to handle this to the season and then what he does very quickly in Houston, because they're going to start putting some pieces together. and he knows how to be a champion. He is one. He's going to build a championship there at some point. Baker Mayfield sees me as his arch nemesis.

What do you make of where he's at? Well, you know, we talked about this last time. I believe the two most important traits in a quarterback, playing well early, is confidence and maturity. Maturity is a big deal. It's a huge deal. Now, I also believe that the way you live your life off the field directly mirrors the way that you play the game on the field.

You don't have guys that live completely buttoned up and detail-oriented on the field and then just throw it wherever. off the field. You don't have guys that his life is out of control and then play the game the way the Tom Brady plays it. I haven't seen it. Right. And so Baker's off the field, antics in college and coming out match the way he played. He's a walk on twice and he's a Heism finalist three times. Wins it once. But what we've seen is the maturity off the field, you've talked about it, and the immaturity on the field has showed up the first two years. What I have seen right now is The confidence has always been there.

He's always had confidence in himself. Yeah. But I think the Browns have confidence in him. That bangles come back, that, you know, that two-minute drive. And I think I think his team, his organization, his play caller, has as much confidence in him as he does. But the maturity, I mean, this clip from here the other night, it's fourth and eight or third and eight. He scrambles to get four. Great play.

It's a mature play. Get four, get a piece back. And then on fourth and four, instead of just running for it on the first down, he could have totally ran for this on the first down. He steps up in the pocket, and he's got the confidence right there to just step up and rip it. That's fourth and four. Yeah. He can run and get five yards. Yeah. So the confidence in the maturity, I'm seeing it show up off the field and on the field, and he's doing it with a rushing attack and a defense, and they're getting hot at the right time. Okay, so you work with all these quarterbacks. I DMed Joe Burrow, because I told him how much I love

him. He's such a good kid. You've worked with Joe, and he's going to be great. He's just, he just gets it, right? Like, he's fine. Yep. Give me a college quarterback under the radar, and throw one to you. I saw this weekend and I thought, why aren't you talking about him? So give me yours. You're going to watch Clemson. You're going to watch these guys. Cincinnati's playing in Tulsa this weekend. Desmond Ritter. He's going to be the winningest quarterback at University of

Cincinnati. He's got a chance to go undefeated. And he is eerily similar of Jordan Love. If he decides to come out this year, he's eerily similar to Jordan Love, except he's a far more dynamic runner. And he's very mature and he's very confident, which I love. But he's

got a chance to win a championship, finish this season undefeated. They may get an FCC team in a bowl game. That's a chance to play at level up. You know, senior bowl after that if he gets that invite. Now all of a sudden you got a guy where that's how you finish your college career. A champion, undefeated, putting together games like that. And I see a lot of things in his game that all of them translate to the NFL. He's a guy that not many people are talking about that should be. Jordan Palmer, 30 seconds left. I like the kid at UCLA, went to Bishop Gorman High School. My daughter went to class with him. She's like, dad, kids loved him.

Everybody wanted to be around him. Yeah, great dude. Dorian Thompson, Robinson. He played wide receiver behind Tate Martel's junior year. Only played quarterback. One year high school. Well, really, and got yanked at halftime because they crushed everybody. So he didn't really play a whole lot before Chip Kelly got a hold of him.

He's got a bright future, too. He does. He was 30 or 37 this week. And it's funny because my daughter went there and she, Tate Martel was a star quarterback. He was the backup. And I asked her, and she said, Dad, there's just certain people. people gravitate to and they're like he's one of them. I thought this weekend he took a huge step up for him.

I mean, I'm sitting there watching and getting text from buddies going, who's that kid? Jordan Palmer, quarterback summit, helping young people. This is my favorite source. They really are. Thank you. You've replaced many GMs who I'm just over. A great seeing you, buddy. Discovery app is coming soon.

Discovery Plus next year. New streaming channel. Hour three next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

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A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement

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