The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 12/17/2020 - HOUR 2 - MVP, Brady

Episode Date: December 17, 2020

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It's really, really a talented guy. So anyway, Joy Taylor, so tonight the Raiders play the Chargers. And something is happening. I'm not a big believer in coincidences. But in the last two years with John Gruden, they are four in ten post- Thanksgiving. They're awful.

Last year, they were blown out by the Jets, the Titans and the Chiefs, and lost to the Jags in Denver bad teams. This year, they've been blown out by Atlanta and blown out by the Colts. So in five of the seven games, if you go look four in ten after Thanksgiving, five blowout losses last couple of years and then some narrow losses. So something is a miss, something is off. Does Gruden, I don't know, does he wear players out, not San Diego? that? Are they still so thin defensively that they've fallen apart? You can't blame the injuries.

Everybody in this league is dealing with injuries. The Eagles are all beat up last weekend. Don't ask me how the Eagles beat the Saints because they had nine guys during the game walk off. So you got to overcome that. But if the Chargers at four and nine beat the Raiders tonight, we have a little bit of a trend, which is the last couple of years with the Raider. And we know it's not because they don't have talent. This year they beat the Saints and the Chiefs. So we're not, we know their talents there, but they have been really bad post- Thanksgiving. And if they lose tonight, we got a trend, and it's not a good one for Captain John Gruden. With that, Greg CoSelt, you bet football, you play fantasy football, you just love football, you get smarter.

We called our NFL meat sandwich. Greg CoSell, 41 years NFL films joining me live. Okay, so I look at Justin Herbert, and I look at the draft position of the Chargers, and I think to myself, boy, if they could get three or four. They can get left tackle and Herbert for the next table year. That feels like what they need or or kind of a centerpiece defensively, a linebacker, but be that as it may, we know that Herbert's the key to the future. What has he done? You're surprised with? What has been the key as we watch him tonight to his success this year? Well, I think two things that probably were concerns for a lot of people, Colin, when he came out of Oregon and you're very familiar with

quarterbacks and the PAC 12. I think there was the anticipation issue. There was a sense that he did not really throw with the needed timing and anticipation. And number two, there was also a sense that the ball placement was not quite consistent enough. And I think those two things have somewhat been put to rest. He's made some outstanding ball placement throws both from the pocket and on the move. And they've done a really nice job with the play. design as well to help him with timing and anticipation because you can create play concepts in which the ball does come out and that can help a quarterback. But he's been really, really good in those areas. And those were two questions coming out. Yeah. I want to tell you, we'll see him tonight.

Let's talk Josh Allen. Wild at Wyoming. I remember watching him play Iowa and Oregon and he was the wild pony. He was out of the barn. There was something there and a lot of energy. Then he goes to the NFL in his first year. He's wild, completion percentage in the mid to high 50s. And now, in the last three to four weeks, he's a model of consistency. Coaching scheme, what is it? Well, I think his mechanics have become a little more compact. He may never look like Tom Brady, but I think that more throws now, you can see everything working together better.

And mechanics are usually not talked about very often with quarterbacks. We talk about arm talent. We talk about mobility. We talk about many things. But I think you're seeing now his hips, his shoulder, his arm angle, all working more consistently on his throws. And I think that's the reason, Colin, that he's able to make more throws that require pace and touch. It's why he's able to hit Beasley on whip routes or pivot routes. It's why he's able to hit Stefan Diggs nicely on hitch routes or slant routes.

throws that you don't drive. They're not velocity throws. They're throws that require some pace and touch and precise ball placement. Because run after catch on throws like that, that's a function of the quarterback, not of the receiver. So we're going to have a disagreement here. One of the things that would drive, always drove me crazy about Jay Cutler drives me nuts about Drew Locke. They play with a casualness. I would agree.

Russell Wilson tends to play with an urgency. You feel, you sense with Drew Breeze. Every play, he is completely focused. And Locke and Jay Cutler, though armed talent aside, it's just kind of sometimes they're just kind of experimenting. You can't do that in this league. So that alone, I don't know if you can correct. And it drives me nuts.

But I hear you like Drew Locke. Well, it's not a matter. Look, there's concerns with Drew Locke. Locke, there's no question. It's not a matter of sitting here saying, boy, I love Drew Locke. The tape tells me whether I like a player or not. And there's something there. You're right. There's a certain casualness to his game. There's a mechanical issue with his lower body. He opens up and steps into the bucket an awful lot. He falls away from throws at times. He drifts. And all that does make him look like he's playing with a certain lackadaisical feel. And then you do get into the decision-making,

comes down to game situations, understanding when you can make a certain throw, and when you can't, understanding when a receiver's open and when he's not open based on the defense. So all these things, can they be taught and learned? They can. There's no guarantee that it will happen over time. So I don't disagree with you at all. But I just, I watch him and I say to myself, God, there's something there. I don't know if it will come out.

Yeah. So there's a game this weekend. And if the playoffs started today, Seattle would go to Washington and play the Washington football team, and they're going to play this weekend. And it's an interesting matchup because the strength of Washington could be the weakness of Seattle. Their offensive line, when it gets overwhelmed and they can't run. So when you look at the Washington-Seattle matchup, obviously Seattle should win.

They're at a different stage in their organizational structure. They're a championship team. Washington's rebuilding. What will Washington do? to Seattle's O-line? What will it look like, in your opinion? Well, we all talk about Washington's D-line, and it's really, really good. But they've become really efficient with some Blitz concepts as the year has progressed. And if you look at Russell Wilson, you can go back to last year.

He was the most sacked quarterback in the NFL last year, and about 60% of them came versus Blitz. This year, more than half of his sacks have come versus Blitz. So I look at that in this game, because I think what you're going to see is Washington, be selective but creative with their pressures. They've now started to use Cole Holcomb. They use Cameron Curl, the safety number 31, who since he's replaced Landon Collins, quite honestly, Colin the tape tells you that he's a more versatile and better player than Landon Collins, and he's helped that defense, I think, take a step up.

Yeah, right now they'd win the division. Okay, let's, I am a, I had my doubts about Lamar Jackson. I did. And, but in the last year, I find myself defending him a lot. And I said this, maybe I said it to you last week, but when somebody's great at something, I accept the fact Shaq couldn't hit free throws, but he was so powerful, I will live with his limitations. And I keep hearing about Lamar can't, can't do this, this, this. But I watched him against the Colts in the second half, 10 for 10.

I watched him against Cleveland late. He does make certain throws. Kaepernick didn't have touch. He appears to at times have nice touch. Is there anything about him throwing that is getting better? or you feel okay about? He's struggling a bit right now, throwing the football, and I think there's a number of reasons.

Number one, there's a lot of unnecessary movement within the pocket. He's starting now to create his own pressure. He moves into pressure. Now, he can get out of that pressure because he's so gifted as an athlete, and so therefore you don't really think about it because he then makes a play. So the question is the balance, and this will be a discussion we're going to have with a lot of quarterbacks in these next number of years that come out of college, Colin,

is the idea of how good a thrower from the pocket do you have to be if you have tremendous movement ability? Because right now, Lamar Jackson's not playing very well from the pocket, but he has tremendous movement ability, and their run game keeps expanding. They were a big zone read run team. Now they've added the counter-gap scheme run game to it. So they do so much with the run game,

and he can move extremely well. But if you're just talking about throwing the ball from the pocket and all that goes into that, right now he's not real good at that. Okay. Jalen Hertz, I thought, added a juice to Philadelphia. And I said this, the saint, you could tell the way the Saints played in the first half, they didn't know what to get. They just, they were reacting to everything. They weren't hyper-aggressive.

They didn't know what they were going to get. What did the tape tell you on Jalen Hertz of Philadelphia? Well, you have to start with the poison composure. was very evident. Look, this kid's played in at the highest level of college football and played well, so he has great poison composure. But from a tactical standpoint, what the Eagles did was absolutely the right thing. They played to his strengths. There was motion. There was design quarterback runs. There was quick game including screens. There was RPO concepts. There was getting him outside the pocket on designed boots. What they were doing was playing to his strengths,

Colin and limiting his decision-making because at this point in his career, he's not quite ready for that. So they did absolutely the right thing. And the game allowed them to stay with that. As I was watching that tape and got into the third and early fourth quarter, I said to myself, I wonder what plan B would have been if the game was different if all of a sudden they were down 2413 late in the third quarter. But they never had to go to a plan B. Yeah, well said. So, you know, I watched the Giants Arizona game. And, you know, typical Giants rebuilding team played great in Seattle, come home, they're flat. But what I really watched is a Giants defense, which is more than capable, struggle more than a half dozen times with Kyler's movement. And then I think to myself,

okay, I like him to move. And there's clearly data that shows Arizona's more capable when they move. When you look at the film of the Cardinals, are they too reliant on his third down scrambles? to move the sticks? Well, it's the Lamar Jackson discussion to some degree. Murray's a better thrower than Lamar Jackson, but Murray's also shorter. And Murray's a splash player as well. His legs will always present a problem,

both by design and when he drops back. So you do have to account for that, and he makes big plays that way. And that compensates at times and camouflages for the fact that he's been inconsistent as a passer this year. But that's the kind of player he is. He's an individual play player at this point, but he has very good throwing ability, and you would expect as he plays more, that that will come out with more consistency.

You know, when I was growing up, you know, watching football when I was younger, there were very few dynamic tight ends. I go back to Dave Casper of the Raiders. Then after him, it was maybe an Ozzie Newsom or a Kellan Winslow. Now I look around the league and I look at Travis Kelsey, and I think, I don't know who figures that out. That is, it's like gronk with speed. When you look at him on film, when you look at him on film,

is he as a matchup issue? Is there a bigger headache in the league? That's a great point, Colin. I'll tell you why. Because we know that hills fast. We know they have speed. But we know in the NFL that who matches up to wide receivers, corners.

The question becomes when you play a team that has a great tight end, Who matches up to the tight end? And the Saints, who they play this week, they tend to play a lot of man coverage. Now, whether they will or not, we don't know. But if they play man, then who are you thinking is going to match up? Normally it's Malcolm Jenkins. I don't know if that's a good matchup.

I don't know if there is a good matchup at the safety position on Travis Kelsey. So he is really a big problem. And you could make the argument that he's the key to that passing game, even though he'll obviously can blow the. top off the coverage and score big plays. Kelsey is the guy who is really difficult to defend. Well, it's same with Kyle Shanahan. Even though he's the run master, I think Kittle is a nightmare. He's just an, you know, and it's so funny, there's certain things we see in sports. We know in baseball now bullpens are given so much more value than they were in the 70s, 80s.

The tight end, what's happening with the tight end is some of these guys are like basketball players, and they're not quite good enough to play professional basketball, but they're 6-6. You know, Tony Gonzalez is a great example. I said, why did you choose football? He's like, because I could be a pro football player. I couldn't be a pro basketball player. They're just physical nightmares. There's nobody that's big enough or fast enough in that secondary that can cover them. So it's the cover. That's an issue. And now we see how tight ends are used in the league now where they're split out all the time. And very often they line up as the single receiver to the short side of the field on the backside of trips, three receivers to the

field side and they're really difficult to handle in those situations. All right. Let's talk Aaron Rogers. He's have, I would give him the MVP today. He is on fire. He is playing with a lot of leads. I do think Green Bay is built to play with the lead, not trailing. I would agree. Yeah. So there's, there's a certain, but the good news is they generally do lead. I think, you know, Jared Gawley. Well, he's responsible for a lot of those leads, Colin. So he's your play of the week. Let's talk Aaron. Yeah. Well, Rogers, to me, The thing that stands out to me watching him on tape this year is he's playing so much more

within the structure and design of the offense. You just don't see as many plays where he runs around. And whatever the reason for that, it doesn't matter. The fact is that offense has a real timing and rhythm to it now, and he's playing really beautiful football. And I want to go to the touchdown he threw last week that ended the first possession. So let's take a look at it to Devante Adams, because this play, to me, is so typical of Aaron Rogers. It seems so simple, but it's just so good by Rogers. And again, it was a shorter

throw and a long run, but what you have here is a two-by-two set. And Devante Adams is a number one receiver to the boundary side of the formation. And what you're going to get here with the Lions is they played cover one. It's a man coverage concept, and they match up across the board. Now, obviously, the matchup that we do want to look at is Adams versus Arruillet, the corner. And He's in press man coverage. And this is so easy for Aaron Rogers. And we've seen this so many times. Why is this easy?

Because what does he see right now? He sees the back of the corner. He knows that the corner cannot see the thrown ball. So he's going to throw it. And Adams knows this too, by the way. So Adams knows to slow down to make the catch. And it just looks so easy. But those kinds of things are not quite as easy as they look.

And that leads to the run after catch and the touchdown. By the way, I'm going to give you an assignment in the offseason. Because I believe the first quarterback ever to throw a back shoulder fade like that was Rogers about 10 years ago that I started noticing. That is actually not true. It happened a long time ago. And I can't remember the name of the player, but it was not in the NFL. And I will find that out for you. And that's what you call a student right there.

He was always my mentor. Now he's my student. He's going to track it down on Google. All right, Greg, good. seeing you. Thanks, Conn. You know, we should do a game. So Ryan Rosillo said, Aaron Rogers called him years ago and said, what's the guy? That guy doesn't like you. We need to do a game on this show. And you asked me 10 Aaron Roger questions. I argue that here's happened is that local media, when I was growing up as a kid, local media could be critical

of local athletes. Right. But local media is different now. It's struggling. The local news ratings are, you know, a quarter of what they were 15, 20 years ago. And so you got to play nice to get the car dealer, to get that. You just have to play nicer. You can't, I used to do commentaries ripping UNLV when I was in Vegas with Park. And it was like, you know, it was accepted. You have to play nice now in the local media to get the advertisers who have turned to other forms of digital and moved off local newspapers, local TV stations. It's my theory on it.

So you got to play a little nice. And so all packer. fans here is nice, nice, nice. So when a guy like me occasionally points out in Aaron Rogers' criticism, it's, oh my God, I can't believe. I'd vote him MVP. I like him better than Favre, one of the 12 best quarterbacks I've ever seen. Do I think he's coy, condescending aloof and sometimes not easy to deal with? Yeah, I've got a lot of proof. I like Aaron Rogers. I think he's, I would tell this to his face. I would say sometimes you're a little, a little much. I would tell LeBron. LeBron, you're a little coy sometimes.

But I will say this. LeBron and Aaron Rogers, you ask them to talk, and they always talk. They don't duck the media. LeBron James walks off the court every game. Of course. And he goes right to the reporter every single time. Michael did it. Magic did it.

LeBron did it. Brady mostly does it. Mahomes does it. So as a member of the media, Aaron is always available. So I should be, I should bake that into my thought. when he has a comment that comes off as coy, at least he's talking. He doesn't like me. He's not talking to me.

But he is, in fairness, when you're a top two or three player in a sport, I mean, it's hard to get any of these baseball players to talk. The baseball guys in the media, it's always bristly and prickly. Aaron, you're welcome on the show anytime. No, no, you can come on the show. You don't have to like me. Westbrook is always welcome. I've had Baker.

I bring Baker on tomorrow. I don't care if you don't like. You could yell at me. I get yelled at all the time at home. I don't, it doesn't. I got kids. I don't care if you yell. not going to eat me. We're both going to live. I like him, but I think I'm seen as anti-Aren.

No, I am the guy. My success is largely based on, even when you didn't work with me, I'm the guy that'll say stuff about people that's kind of uncomfortable. Aaron, I said it five years ago. He's arrogant. I don't love all the leadership and body language stuff. It's not, and by the way, now people are acknowledging it's kind of part of his fabric, which is fine. But you got to admit it. You've got to be honest about it, right? I mean, I think it's okay to have a different person mentality. Everybody doesn't need to be the same. There you go. That's fine.

I think Big Ben tends to be a little dramatic. It's definitely dramatic. Okay. And he's being under dramatic when saying that this is not time to panic. This is the time to panic. Sometimes I think Brady is too political and too corporate. And golly, gee, it was a bad game. Like, Tom, light, a little.

Also, I think, you know, what tends to happen is we spend so much time with these guys. Like, we've had Aaron Rogers for so long. We've had Brady for so long. We've had Ben for so long. their personalities just eventually come across. Like we feel like we get to know them. And in some ways we do. Like we have been following their careers for decades.

You know, so we just make other observations. It's just, that's how much we talk about you because you're that good. Yeah. And he does talk that in, let's be fair, I'll be fair.

LeBron and Aaron are on this show a lot. They are always willing to answer tough questions. Aaron has never, outside of me, Never ducked an interview in his life. He is always there. Good game, bad game. Aaron always talks.

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Championship at noon eastern. Both games are available only on Fox and the Fox Sports app. I sat on recruiting websites for four hours yesterday. USC is the strangest team. I watch them every game and they drive me nuts and they play poorly and then they just have such a good quarterback and wide receivers in the PAC 12, that's good enough to win the conference. I'm excited for that Friday night game. Let me say something. USC has got their issues, but their wide receiver and quarterback talent and tight end town, they got dudes, they got NFL guys.

So they can't control their timeouts. They have too many penalties. That UCLA game was so fun. Oh, it was just an incredible game to watch. They really are, you know, they remind me that Loyola basketball program. I remember with Paul Westhead. That was like 20 years ago. that they went into the tournament.

They were scoring 120 points as a college team. That's USC. Every game's a shootout. Every game's wild. And you just hope you don't let USC have the ball last because they have the ability to score really fast with their wide receivers. I don't know who I like in that game, to be honest with you. Joy Taylor with the news.

No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Big NBA news this week about Janus deciding to take his supermax deal and stay in Milwaukee. And he said he. showing his loyalty to the team that gave him a chance in the NBA was a big factor in his decision. Loyalty.

I'm a man of my words. And, you know, this is big. This is big. I think, you know, being in the team that entrusted me, believed in me, took care of me, took care of my family, took care of me financially. You know, I always want to give back. I always want to give back. And I've been trying to give back since day one that I've been here. But I got more to give.

Now, can I just say this to defend players that leave? Players don't go to a team and can leave a year later, or two, three or four. The league is set up a situation through the CBA where they almost never leave for seven years because there's too much money. So when players do leave, it's after seven years. If you can't get a Janus, a second great player in seven years or a LeBron in Cleveland, don't burn jerseys when they leave. Even if he would have left, he's given you half his career. He's going to play 14 years.

So whenever guys leave, I'm like, LeBron Gate. Now, LeBron is ridiculous because he's going to play until he's 60. But by and large, the average NBA star plays 12 to 15 years. You can't, you can get out of your contract, but you give up tens of millions of dollars. And most people in life that play basketball or football, baseball aren't millionaires when they get into a sport. So if he would have left, my takeaway would have been, you didn't get him a second great player in seven years.

That is on Milwaukee. Now, they have done a good job to get Drew Holiday. Yeah. And we both love that move. I do love that move. I agree with you. I mean, listen, I try to keep things in perspective. And when I talk, I do talk from a place of, I try to put myself in that position.

What I do in that situation? What would I want my family to do in that situation? and based off my personal experiences. I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Most people from Pittsburgh do not leave Pittsburgh. Stay in Pittsburgh. That's right. Their families, family is from Pittsburgh.

They stay in the same block. That's just, that's the mentality and the environment. And people are comfortable and live happy lives and raise their families. It's a great place to raise your family. Boring, but yeah. I know people that have left that come back to raise their family there. Yes, but I'm not wired that way and I never have been. So I can't judge people.

for staying in places where they feel comfortable. And to your point, there's a lot of money to walk away from in the name of legacy or in pursuit of a better situation to win a championship. The other thing I'll always defend players who do leave. They almost all do it to win a title and give up money. It's not like baseball where Robinson Canoe went from the Yankees to the Mariners for a check and an hour in he's like, get me out of here. I don't like losing games.

NBA guys are the only sport. You'd give up money. I'm going to give you a bunch of money back. And it's not like Janice is a big shoe line. I'm sure he's got one, but it's not moving the product like a LeBron or a step or whatever. So if he would have left, my takeaway is he gives you half his career. The NBA sets up contracts to make it punitive if you leave before seven years. I think it's great that he stayed.

I think it's great for Milwaukee for the fan base. I think it's nice for the NBA that Janice is there. He's going to stay in the East. I don't like with you the idea that you are not a loyal person. because you made a business decision for yourself and your family based off of what makes you happy. I am not a disloyal person because I moved out of Pittsburgh. It's obviously not the same situation. But like I'm saying, you know what I mean?

Like it's a very shorter version of Yonis. It's totally the same. The notion of loyalty just gets very skewed in these situations. And it's just, it's very unfair. So 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Salas expected to draw a lot of interest for head coaching jobs next. season and Kyle Shanahan is already prepared for him to leave San Francisco. Shanahan said the two have spoken about that possibility and he joked that he will not allow Salah to take anyone else from the staff with him.

Some head coaching jobs that are open. Texans, the Lions and the Falcons. Now the Texans job would be interesting because their defense needs help and he has a star quarterback. That's a good fit for him. I do like him with the Texans. I don't love him with the Lions. No, there's too much chaos for an unproven coach to overcome.

I just don't think he, I don't, yeah, that's it. Like, I just don't think it would be a good fit for him or for the Lions. Like, I think he would excel better with the Texans or even with the Falcons. And we also obviously assume. Atlanta, I do think, solid capable ownership, veteran quarterback. Atlanta's a good fit for him. Atlanta's a good fit. I would want him to bring in a very experienced offensive coordinator.

Agree. So the other jobs that may be open are obviously the Jets and Chargers. The Jets is going to be open. Not sure what the charge are going to do, but we're assuming they're going to move out from Anthony Elyn. The Jaguars and Bears are also some coaching jobs that are, you know, hot seat positions right now. Shanahan previously has prevented assistant coaches to,

under contract to interview for coordinator jobs elsewhere. He blocked Mike LaFleur from joining his brother's staff in Green Bay in 2019, but obviously that's not the situation here. So the NFL in the offseason approved a rule that eliminates the availability. for teams to block persistent coaches from interviewing for coordinator positions. So they're not going to allow people to not move up. You know, what's interesting here is, I probably don't have a ton of time to elaborate. The difference between a coordinator and a coach is when you're a coordinator,

you have great pride in your defense because if it's great, you'll get a head job. Once you're a head coach, it's about winning the game and nothing else matters. Jimmy Johnson's talked about this a lot. So the question was Sala. that's why so many offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators don't work. They can't make that pivot to their ego getting in the way of their side of the ball, playing a favorite side of the ball. The key is the coach is you don't always want to score the most points.

Sometimes you want to run the clock out and kill and the offensive coordinator gets the job. Your job is to make sure you win the game. Period. Nothing else matters. And that means your pride and side of the ball sometimes, you do things you would never do as a coordinator of that side. think to mention what I said earlier, I think that if it's your first time as a head coach, who you pick as your coordinators are so important. Buffalo. Sean McFay did an amazing job with that.

You want someone who has a lot of experience who's not trying to take your job or coach the team. You want somebody who's going to support you, but also take care of things that you don't know how to do. Finally, Aaron Rogers is in a two-horse race with Patrick Mahomes to win the NFL MVP this season, and he spoke about how important it would be for him to add a third to his career. Bill, there's not many guys that have won three, so that would definitely mean a lot. I feel like I've been in the conversation, you know, a number of years outside of the two that I've won. We're talking about in 12 when AP went nuts against us in the last game of the year. I had a pretty good year that year.

Obviously, in 16, we made our run and led to the league in passing touchdowns. Didn't really get a sniff for some reason that year. But, you know, I definitely felt like I was in the conversation. It's nice to be back in the conversation. I'm not going to talk about that. If you enjoy sarcasm, Aaron Rogers' answers are just like ticklish. I love it. I love it.

Him and Mike Tomlin are two of my favorite sound bites. They're just great. So Fox Bet has Patrick Mahomes at minus 225 to win the MVP, Aaron Rogers plus 150, Josh Allen plus 2200. By the way, he's my second choice today. Josh Allen? Rogers, Josh Allen, Mahomes. Well, Packers' remaining schedules, Panthers, Titans, and Bears,

so he can put up some pretty tremendous numbers in those three games. The Chiefs remaining schedules at the Saints, Falcons, and Chargers. I don't know. I think Mahomes is going to get it. I do think that Aaron Rogers deserves it this year. Yes, I think he's absolutely more valuable. That's the point. And it's no knock on Mox.

Obviously, Mahomes is having an MVP season. So it wouldn't be a shock or, you know, it wouldn't be a diss to Aaron. Rogers if he did win it. I just think that Mahomes, I think that if Aaron Rogers wasn't playing, the Packers would lose every game with him not out there. I think the Chiefs could hold on for a game or two. Yeah, I mean, Andy Reid.

And maybe that's not the measure measurement of what an MVP is, but. Andy Reid would coach them to seven wins with a backup. I really believe that. That's how much. Now, you go from 7 to 12 to 13. Of course.

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Titans 32. Lions 26. I don't even know what that. That's a, Titans are a hard team for me to bet. I bet, I did like, I think Cleveland matches up so well with the Titans. They're going to, as of, if the playoffs started today, Cleveland would face the Titans again, and I would like Cleveland again today. If the playoffs started today, the Rams would play the Buccaneers again, and the Rams would beat the Buccaneers.

There are times where I think, for instance, New Orleans plays Kansas City, and in Kansas City probably wins this weekend because I'm, of Taysam Hill playing not Drew Breeze. But if they met again, big advantage New Orleans, which has already gotten a look at the offense from Andy Reed, and then they got to unveil the Drew Bree's offense to Kansas City. So there have been times where I think that first win over teams a big disadvantage, but I think the Rams match up really well with Tampa because you can put Jalen Ramsey

on Mike Evans and really end that top wide receiving threat. And the strength of the Bucks is their wide receiving court, and the strength of the Rams is their secondary. So it's strength on strength, good matchup. But I think Cleveland just matches up really well. No pass rush. Baker's going to have time to throw. Baker is like a lot of young quarterbacks,

Goff being one. When they're comfortable, watch out. Discomfort, they go into the weeds. They come off the rails really fast. By the way, Bruce Ariens was talking about Tom Brady. You know, Ariens has taken a couple shots. Brady tends to be very political. He doesn't fire back.

Ariens talking about Tom last week. Tom Brady in general. I don't know why anybody's criticizing Tom. I mean, what he did at the end of the half and start the second half is a very, very few few teams can score 17 points in a matter of five or six minutes. No matter if we don't make a first down on this first two-third downs, I don't care if we finish the half with 17 points. I don't get how we start.

So I mean, yeah, he's not getting enough credit for what he's doing. So I can't compare Tom Brady at 43. to Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen in the early 20s. But I can compare Tom Brady at 43 to Tom Brady at 42. So let's go to last year. Everybody moves to Florida for two reasons. Taxes and to extend your life. Tom moved there for taxes and to extend his Super Bowl window,

which, by the way, he wouldn't be in a New England. He is absolutely in now. So just go look at last year's stats. So last year, Brady completed 60% of his throws. This year, significantly higher, 64. He's having a much better year as he ages. Remember, you're supposed to get worse at 43. So, passer rating.

Last year, Tommy's passer rating was 88 for the New England Patriots. This year, Brady's passer rating is 96. So again, as he's aged, significantly better. Passing yards per game, up 20 yards. pass a rating higher, touchdowns, six more already, three games left. He's also been sacked less as a buccaneer than as a patriot. So, I mean, look at, so completion percentage, passing touchdowns, yards per game, passer rating, passing yards per attempt, and sacks.

So again, 43-year-old Brady is much better than 42-year-old Brady, and that's why I left. That's exactly why I left. I still want to be in the Super Bowl window. Check. And I want to be better because at this point, I need more help. Check, check. Now, again, this is not Josh Allen. It's not Mahomes.

It's not Rogers. At this point in his career, he's not, he's not LeBron. He's not like not declining. There is a little lack of the ability to throw a deep ball. He's never been super athletic. He's less so now. But compared to Tom last year, this is why I left. It's really for Tom.

maybe our perceptions of it are not as grand, but for Tom, it's been an absolute home run. I think it just doesn't look like Tom Brady. And it's because it's the Bucks and it's not the Patriots. Like we're used to it being death by a million cuts. We're used to it being very buttoned up and it's a little more loose. It's just a different looking team and we're associating Tom Brady with that. Okay, so let's say this was LeBron in two years and you were starting to see a decline. and all of a sudden, Mike Dan Tony was his coach,

who's very much about shooting threes and guards. And you would watch LeBron, and he would still be averaging 24 or 25 points, but the offense was really geared solely to shoot threes. And LeBron's game is much greater than that. So it would be like looking at LeBron and going, it doesn't look right, but if you look at the numbers, you'd be like,

oh my God, he's better than he was the year before. He's scoring more points. Yeah, this system, is not built for Tom. It's a different aesthetic. It was built for Carson Palmer at 28. Big arm, shots downfield, little more athletic, can sit in the pocket. Bigger guy can take hits.

It's not built for Tom. But if you're asking, you know, A, he had a, you hear his comment this week. Do we have the comment him talking about Binghamton, New York just got 40 inches of snow yesterday, not joking. Brady talking about, and this can, this has to be concerned. centered, his wife's happier, he's happier with the weather in Tampa. It's amazing, you know, just to be at this point in the season and then to still be outside practicing today turned into a beautiful day. And I know we have a warm one coming up on Sunday.

I've loved just being outside every day. And I think being a native Floridian, I was a native Californian for a long time in my life and went away from it for about 25 years and you won't catch me dead living in the northeast. I know what he's feeling. I put up with 10 years of it. And by the way, the people are wonderful. They're hearty. They're tougher in the northeast than me.

I totally get it. But man, it's not when you grow up in warm weather, you can handle the cold. It's when you grow up in warmer weather, you go to the cold, move back to the warm. You will never move back. 40 inches in Binghamton. Think about this. The Rocky Mountains don't get 40. I go to Utah a lot to ski.

We're getting like three inches a day. 40 inches, you know, not even in a mountain range. I am not built for that. I'm not either. But I was fine when I was in it. Yeah, and I grew up in it. I was fine. I like Connecticut.

It was fun. Prep schools. It was just, you know, it's Hogwarts. It's not so much the snow. It looks pretty now. It just looks pretty from a distance. posting pictures. It's pretty.

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