The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 12/18/2020 - HOUR 1 - Herbert, Gruden, Saints

Episode Date: December 18, 2020

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It is a pleasure to have you in today. What a treat that game was last night. What an absolute treat. That is, maybe I don't know, maybe I'm just becoming more appreciative in COVID of anything other than isolation. I had a ball watching that game with a buddy last night. Had an absolute ball watching the Chargers and the Raiders. No way. That game was so fun.

It was so fun. It was crazy. Marcus Marriota comes out like from where running all over the place, making big plays. And then, of course, turns the ball over. It was wild. I loved it. I know. Sometimes, you know, everybody was criticized in the NBA bubble, and I'm like, are you kidding me?

We're in a pandemic. We got virtual fans, and I get to watch this NBA basketball with all this intensity. I'm like, I'm having the time of my life locked into my house. Wonderful. So I want to start with this. I remember watching Charles Barkley in his first couple years in the NBA. He played in Philadelphia. And he didn't have all the games on all the time.

So you'd see highlight. We didn't have YouTube. You didn't have Google. You didn't have all the cable stuff. You'd see every game every night. But I remember getting glimpses of him. and he could shoot jumpers. He could score in transition.

He had a big butt. He could score down low. And I remember thinking, watching him, I'm like, God, points come so easy to Charles Barclay. He can score out. He can score in. He scores in transition. He could dribble for a big guy.

And I'm like, good God. What can't he do? That reminds me of Justin Herbert. He's big, he's strong. He can run. He's 6.6. It shouldn't look this easy for a rookie with no preseason. It should not look this easy.

Joe Burrell's good. It doesn't look easy. Baker Mayfield's got talent. Tuah's got talent. It doesn't look easy. Josh Allen is exceptional. Do you remember his rookie year? He completed 52% of his throws.

He had more picks than touchdowns. It was never easy for Josh Allen. Okay, this just is easy. This is throw and catch. And I want to hear about the Raiders defense. It shouldn't look like this. This is not the way it's supposed to look. First of all, the great news for when you get a great quarterback, it creates clarity.

So the Chargers will know going forward. If you're not scoring enough points, you've got to fire the offensive coordinator. And if you're not winning enough games, you've got to fire the head coach. If you get a guy like Mitch Trubisky, it's finger pointing. I thought Matt Nagy was a good coach. Maybe he's not. Is it the offensive line? Is our GM clueless?

Trubisky wins games, but it's always question marks. You drive to the facility now with the Chargers knowing if we don't win, and score, then it's got to be the coordinator or the coach or we have a bad offensive line. It creates complete clarity. When Andrew Luck showed up and he was winning, but you weren't winning enough, it's like, oh, they had to fire the GM. GM is not good enough. We've got to get rid of the coach.

When you get one of these once-a-decade talents, Trevor Lawrence, if he doesn't win in New York, you're going to be like, okay, we got the wrong coach or the wrong GM or a bad offensive line. And listen, I like Anthony Lynn. I know Anthony Lynn, but they've lost 16-1 possession games in two years. Atlanta, Detroit, those are the two other teams that kept losing close games. They fired their coaches. I think Anthony Lynn's in trouble. I thought he took the ball out of Justin Herbert's hands last night.

I mean, good God, they couldn't stop him. He stopped using him. Then when they went back to overtime, they're like, all right, kid, crank it up. Boom, they won the game. I didn't love that. I didn't think it was a great night for Anthony Lynn. But here's the good news for the Chargers is that this kid is so talented. I mean, there's three organizations right now.

The Jets are going to get Trevor Lawrence and they're going to get a coach. The Texans have Deshawn Watson and they're going to get a coach. And the Chargers have Justin Herbert and may get a coach. Boy, Los Angeles becomes very attractive. If Brian Daibald's out there or an Urban Meyer, you live in L.A., it's a built-to-win roster. You're just losing close games. Herbert's only getting better. Very rarely do you take over a job?

job in the NFL and get this. Or Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence. You end up taking over a job and getting a quarterback who's probably a backup that you forced into a starter and you got to draft one and you can whiff on the first one. That's a very Cleveland experience. No, no, no, no, no. The Texans, the Jets, and the Chargers. You got a star ready to win.

And this kid, unlike Deshawn Watson's never had injuries. And this kid, unlike Trevor Lawrence, we've already seen him play in the NFL. Charger ownership is very sensitive. They can't sell tickets. They've gotten a lot of negative press for the move from San Diego where I do think they fit better. So charge your ownership, prove us wrong. Prove us wrong. Because if you can't win with that kid, then you've got the wrong coach.

If you can't score a lot of points with that kid, then you've got the wrong offensive coordinator. because it does not look like that for a rookie ever. Elway didn't look like that. Nobody looks like that. Mahomes didn't even play his first year. That's not what it's supposed to look like. I mean, the only time he wasn't flying up and down the field is when the coach took the ball out of his hands.

So do what you want with Anthony Lynn. I worry about the one possession losses. That's, you know, as games get late, the decisions get harder. I don't know. but I'm just sitting there and I'm like this has such a Berkeley feel to it. The kid's big. Quarterback sneak, he's great. Run him, he's great.

Arm, great. 4.2 biology major. Brainiac, great. I said he's Andrew Luck, but a way better arm. That's unbelievable. All right, so I want to talk about John Gruden for a second. I know John. I like John.

But the Raiders have been blown out 14 times by 17 or more since he took over the Raiders. only the jets have been blown out more. I just want that to sit there for a second. Raiders get blown out a lot. And we are seeing a trend now, and I am not a believer as joy as my witness, in coincidences, things happen. And when they happen over and over and over again,

they happen for a reason. The Raiders and Gruden are getting worse at the end of years. Assuming the Raiders missed the playoffs, I want to read this to you. It'll be the third time John Gruden has coached the team, started six and three and missed the playoffs. The 98 Raiders, the 2008 bucks, the 2020 Raiders. I am not counting this team. It should be four, but they started six and four.

Since the NFL expanded playoffs in 1990, there's been 140 teams that have started six and three. No other coach in the NFL in that stretch. Three times has done that and missed the playoffs. except Gruden. Now, why do they keep getting bad at the end of seasons? Now, I can go with a bunch of hunches. You know, does Gruden's personality wear people out? That seems like kind of a reach, right?

There's a lot of personalities that Nick Saban wears you out. His teams are good late. You know, Belichick can be harsh. His teams are good late. Is it possible or is it probable that Gruden's an average coach and he's more media marketing maven than football genius. Listen, Chuckie, best-selling team, TV star.

Brian Billick and Gruden won a Super Bowl. They're both known as offensive guys, but their Super Bowl teams were about defense. One guy, without the big personality, Billick never got another job. John gets a 10-year deal. Why? Because he used television to,

leverage himself and do another job. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but we've always elevated him to kind of a level that why do his teams get bad late? Let me ask you this. Is that every boss I've ever had, the more I'm around him, the better I get.

Bill Belichick is the best late-season coach in the NFL. I could argue Sean Payton a second. Why? Because the longer Belichick teaches is and mentors young men, the better they get. That makes sense, right? The longer Sean Peyton, who struggles like Belichick in September, the longer Sean Payton has his team. He's a great coach, a great boss, the better they get. It makes sense. Every boss I've ever had,

the more I'm with him, the better I get. With Gruden, the more he, the more he barks and teaches, the worse his teams get. Maybe he's just an average coach who's got great media. We know the media can sway and alter and bend narratives. But in September, Gruden wins 57% of his games. You know what he wins in December? 38% of his games. It's not supposed to go this way. He says, if you look at Gruden's career, he's slightly above 500.

His last playoff win was 18 years ago. The last two playoff games he was in, wild card games, he lost. I mean, he took a Super Bowl roster, tweaked the offense, and won. Does that make him a genius? He had a best-selling book. He's absolutely wonderful on TV. He's great. The quarterback camp is great.

Monday night football has never felt the same. No shot at anybody. It just doesn't feel as good. We see the media do this all the time. They play favorites. The media likes people who are verbal and touch. The media loves Daryl Morey of the Houston Rockets because he talks and he makes our job easy.

Gruden makes our job easy. He's got great quotes. He's likable. He's got a bunch of media friends. Is it possible? He's just an average coach. It's just what he is. That's what the numbers say.

Not everybody that's won a Super Bowl is a genius. Brian Billick, another offensive genius won a Super Bowl. Why didn't he get second and third chances? Because he didn't leverage his TV personality into another job. If your teams consistently get worse, the more the players are around you, how in the world could I call that a great coach? That's not the way it was with Don Coriel or Andy Reid or Sean Payton or Bill Belichick. The more you get of them, the better you are.

Here's Gruden after. I have a one-track mind, and that involves winning. And this is going to help us in some ways, but it's really, really painful right now. out of lose. And we've had a lot of tight games go down to the buzzer. And this one was, this one was tough. You got to win these tight games. And oftentimes that's a reflection on the head coach. I'm not saying he's a terrible coach. He won a Super Bowl. But I see this a lot. And it's ridiculous to deny this. The media, they've done studies on it, more media people, you know, lean left than right. There can be a Fox News, but that's a fact. And here's the second thing

that's true about the media because I've been in it 30 years. They like people who make their job easier. I'm as guilty as anybody. I go to the talkers. Gruden's just big and funny and great in the mic and says things and he's kind of available. And his teams get worse the more they're around him. That doesn't sound like a great coach to me. Coming up next, oh, the saints were just tricking us.

Well, gamesmanship by the Saints this week. Blazing 5, top of next hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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This guy's unbelievable. Drew Breeze is starting this week. Little gamesmanship by the Saints. If he's starting this week, they knew he was starting on Monday or Tuesday. The quote today, Drew Breeze will start against the Chiefs, cleared him to play. fully healthy. He wasn't banged up on Monday and now can play on Friday. Gamesmanship. He had Kansas City and the Chiefs looking at Taysom Hill footage and now they're going to play Drew Breeze. This tells me a couple things. This is what Sean Payton really thinks of Taysam Hill. He's a really

cool. That's a really cool. He's unique. He's cool. I can play around. I can show you how smart I am. But in the end, he's got a better arm than Drew, indisputable. And, And a significantly better athlete than Drew, that's not arguable. And they score fewer points with Taysam Hill. He's a chess piece. That's what he is. By the way, the Saints aren't getting the number one seed. This team is uniquely built to win on the road, nor is home as advantageous as it has been now because no fans.

I don't know why they don't play Taysam Hill. I actually disagree with this. When Sean Payton decided to use Taysam Hill and everybody said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I said, he's smarter than me. Let's just watch. They're paying Taysam Hill. He wanted to get him starts and reps. What do I have?

I'm paying for. I'm not paying James Winston anything. But in this instance, I still think the smarter play, you're not getting the number one seed. Play Taysam Hill against the Chiefs. You're really a favorite to meet them again. I would rather let the Chief see all this Taysam Hill stuff. and then you give them a totally different game. Now, Sean Payton is probably even smarter than me.

He's thinking, I am going to meet the Chiefs, but I'm not going to play Taysam Hill at all. So when you see Taysam Hill for the first time in the Super Bowl, you're not going to have any idea what you're getting. Maybe that's the way he's thinking. But the Sean Payton-Tasem-Hill relationship to me has always felt like it's 75% genius and mad scientist of Sean Payton and 25% Taysom Hills talent.

Whereas Brady and Belichick, I think we could argue, is 50-50. Mahomes, Andy Reid feels absolutely they're both better with each other. You know, one coach won without him. Mahomes didn't win much without Andy, but there's no question. Andy's winning more with him. I think it should be if you got the right coach in the quarterback, it should be 50-50. Right now, Justin Herbert feels like a 65-35 edge over the coaching staff there.

But this one feels like overwhelmingly about the. the genius mad scientist coach, manipulating the marginally talented 30-year-old quarterback who's got a unique skill set, but you don't build around. So Breeze is starting. I like the Saints. By the way, with or without Drew Breeze in this game. Blazing Five top of next hour, Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, last night was something. Oh, it was all sorts of good. I was all in on that thing from, I even watched a pre-guards. game show last night. I was so into it. It was so fun. Well, unfortunately for Derek Carr, he left the game with a strained groin and is still being evaluated. It's not looking like he's

going to be back anytime soon as it looks like it might be a little more serious than they thought last night. But Marcus Marriota came in and was on fire. Now, the Raiders did lose, but he threw for 226 yards, two total touchdowns. And after the game, he reflected on finally getting back out on the field. You know, to be truthful, it's been a long journey. You know, I've been through kind of everything, from injuries to surgeries to, you know, mental kind of just lapses and, you know, the confidence thing. And, you know, I just truly appreciate the Raiders and the entire organization for kind of helping me through that. He was, he was so good. in that short little window that social media was talking about where he's going to end up the starting quarterback next year.

Now, I've got a real strong opinion on this later in the show. I'm going to do a Marcus Mario to segment later in the show. But I will say this. He's always been big and fast. There's an electricity to the way he plays. And I do believe last night that general managers around the league saw him and thought, in a pinch, we could make him a franchise guy for two years. Right. But the key to that sentence was in a pinch and for a few years. So we like to overreact

to fun. Well, Joy, it was a standalone NFL game. Exactly. This is what we do. And so we go nuts. And I do think he has starter talent. Well, he does. He's always had that. plenty of starting experience. And he's a good dude. People in the league like him. I know I have a friend of a friend who, and he's a good dude. To me, and listen, they still lost. So let's keep it all in perspective.

Right. But I do think what he showed is how valuable it can be to have a good backup quarterback. Oh, absolutely. Like the backup quarterback position, and I don't know why we didn't kind of always subscribe to this, is extremely valuable. He is the most talented backup quarterback in the NFL. Yes. He is significantly more talented as a quarterback than Taysam Hill, who everybody's into now.

And I mean, the Saints are a good example of how important it is to invest in a valuable backup quarterback. If you're a team that is competing for championships, you should have a great backup quarterback. I wish the Steelers had invested in a strong backup quarterback. I had somebody else tell me two nights ago, Sam Darnold Pittsburgh, keep your eye on it. They said, like, they can't go from Ben to what they have. They probably need to get a kid that if he has to start two games, can win one. I don't understand why they didn't do it this off season. They were in the playoff conversation last year with Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges. You should have learned the lesson then that you should have a strong backup

and the backup should play a little bit like your starter. And Darnold is kind of an athlete, an ad libber and so is bet. Your backup should look a little and play a little, like RG3 and Lamar. Yes. They should be a little like each other. You don't have to change your offensive system of the backup. I was happy for Marcus Mariotto, though. Like, it was really fun to watch. You could tell Joy from his body language, he was so thankful to play football. He was having so much fun playing football.

And he had a little confidence, a little swag. He doesn't usually play like that. So Jalen Hertz took over the Eagles' starting job last week and led the team to a big win over the Saints, and he'll get his second start this week against the Cardinals. This is a sneaky good game this weekend. And Doug Peterson revealed how he's seen Carson Wentz help the rookie even after getting vetched. I just see the communication, number one, you know, at practice during games, just the communication, the dialogue back and forth, obviously through press, through myself, you know,

just that communication. And that's the one gauge that, you know, tends to lead, you know, things in the right direction. And that's what I've been seeing. Hertz has also said that Wentz has been, quote, very supportive. On the sidelines, he looks like he is. I think, I had to think about it a little bit when I read this story. What kind of person wouldn't be supportive? Now, I understand privately you might feel some type of way.

Joy, there's a lot of guys are different. You women are more supportive. Women support women. Guys don't support guys. Okay, but what kind of teammate are you? if the second that you aren't out there, you're trying to sabotage the most important guy on the fields. You've gone to sabotage.

I would say there's a difference between sabotaging. But like, say Jalen Hertz has like a question in the quarterback room, right? And Wence, maybe there's no such thing as like the answer, but Wence knows what to do in that situation or whatever. Or it's on the sideline and whatever, like in the heat of the game. And Wence is like, well, I know what to tell him what to do, but I got bench, so I'm not going to help him. Like, that hurts your team.

Listen, Westbrook and Hardin are great friends. They couldn't work together because they weren't helping, they weren't sabotaging it. But it's amazing when you get into guys, they're in the prime of their career, guys in a lot of times very professionally driven. I wouldn't say sabotage, but I wouldn't say they got your back either. I don't, okay, I don't know. I guess, listen, I'm a very petty person. But if in the end, it's going to hurt the whole collective for me not to contribute, then I'm going to do that.

Like, things change very quickly. Oh, that's the golden rule in life. Everything changes in life every six months. Hopefully not your marriage, but everything else changes. Change is the only guarantee in life. That's right. So if you're not aware that things could flip on to you like that, like, I don't know, I just, I'm sure it happens.

It's just I'm glad that he's doing it. I'll say that. And I'm not surprised because that seems to be his personality anyway. So the Rockets have reportedly expanded James Hardin trade talks beyond the teams he prefers. Several playoff caliber teams in the East and the West are said to be comfortable, including high-level assets and a trade for Hardin. They're also less concerned about bringing him in without the assurance that he will resign with the team once he becomes a free agent. So sources are saying that the Rockets have multiple ongoing discussions and have been communicating with Hardin about those scenarios.

Philadelphia is obviously the best fit. It is, but Darry denied it, said they're not trading Ben Simmons, and he's an important part of our future. And listen, like, we love Delioree. He denies everything. But I'm also just, it doesn't matter. Like, he has to say that at this point

because he can't go out there and say, like, yes, we are actively shopping him and this is what we're looking to do. So, like, what's he supposed to say? Hardens the kind of talent that could disrupt many good teams. He would absolutely help Philadelphia. I do. I think he would help Philadelphia. No, no question. He's a way better fit. They'd have an inside, outside game.

And by the way, it's an easy guy to trade because Simmons isn't playing well. He's not popular. He doesn't have a... It would be hard to trade him and beat in Philly because he's light. He's great and liked. Simmons is an easy trade piece. He's talented, so you're getting something with him. But he's not popular. His game is stalled. And he doesn't fit. So to me, this is... If I'm Houston and I take Ben Simmons a bunch of picks and give me a shooter and you just... I also like the East loading up with stars.

It's really becoming that. It's like Nick Wright said the minute LeBron went west, everybody said, get me out of here. Well, it might be something to that. But also, obviously, the heat had been in the conversation for a possible trade with James Hardin. Reportedly, Duncan Robinson is a sticking point because they want him and the heat

don't want to include him in any trades. I don't blame him. I don't blame him. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Senior NFL Porter for Monday morning quarterback brought to you by Mercedes Ben's the best or nothing. Albert Breer is connected as anybody who does this for a living. So, you know, I was saying when Andrew Luck, when you get a great quarterback, Albert,

it creates clarity. Like with Andrew Luck, you knew if he wasn't winning or scoring. You got the wrong coach, the wrong coordinator, or wrong offensive liner GM. I feel that with Herbert, that he makes the game look so easy. It should not look this easy. It didn't look this easy for Tua, for Burrow, for Josh Allen. So the question becomes, they're not. winning enough. Does it fall on Anthony Lynn? Will they get a new coach? I think so. I don't think

it's going to happen until a day after the season. If you look at the Spanos's history, they've always like to take their time on this and make those sorts of decisions with a full season to assess things. It happened that way with Norv Turner. It happened that way with Mike McCoy. And my expectation it's going to happen that way again with Anthony Lynn. They're going to take the full season in and then make a decision. But I do think they'll move on. And Colin, it's like you said, like they're going to be moving into a critical, critical time for the franchise. That is a golden opportunity that they're going to have in front of them to build around a quarterback of this level on a rookie contract. We saw how the Rams, the Chiefs, the Eagles took advantage of that sort of dynamic in

recent years. So this becomes a very attractive job for whoever the next guy is. And so I think that they're going to hire somebody that's got quarterback background. And some of the names I've already heard are interesting ones, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Bill's offensive coordinator, Brian Dayball. How about this nugget, Colin? He went to high school with the GM of the Chargers, Tom Telesco. And then Panthers offensive coordinator, Joe Brady, is another name that's got some low-level buzz for that charger job. Obviously, he's done a great job the last couple of years with quarterbacks with Joe Burrow last year at LSU.

Then, of course, this year with Teddy Bridgewater. By the way, I don't know if it would happen. I think Mike Zimmer is a really good coach. If it went sideways, my first choice would be Mike Zimmer or the Vikings. We have a history in this league. star quarterback defensive coach. Yeah, that's true. We do.

Have you heard anything on Mike Zimmer? Because I think he's a good coach, but I think he's intense. Some people think he's stubborn. He hasn't won enough. Would Minnesota make a mistake and get rid of him? I don't think so. I think that was on the table at the end of last year. I'm told the extensions that he and Rick Spielman got in Minnesota,

the general manager there, those are real extensions. Okay. And Zimmer's making north of $8 million. and he's under contract for the next few years. So in these conditions, Minnesota would have to swallow a lot of cash to get rid of Mike Zimmer. My expectation is that Mike Zimmer is going to survive there

and get another year. This is obviously a little bit of a turning the page year. And they have made some progress with some of the young players. There are some young pieces in place now, guys like Justin Jefferson and Jeff Gladney. So my expectation is that Mike Zimmer is going to survive there. I want to say this about Gruden. I know John and I like him,

but Brian Billick and him are both offensive guys. They both win a Super Bowl, but Billick doesn't have the big star personality. Gruden does, and he leverages TV stardom into another job. Once again, his team, and this has happened in Tampa, it's happened now a couple of years. They're bad. They deteriorate. That is generally not the sign of great coaching in the NFL. Is it possible with Gruden?

He's more media maven than football guru, and that he's okay, but we've overstated his brilliance. I think he's still. a good football coach, Colin. I think the question with him going back 15 years has been handling personnel, developing young players. Like, if you look, like he had older teams in Oakland on the first time around. And then with Tampa, the one he won in the Super Bowl with was a very veteran team. He took over from Tony Dungey, where he's struggled in the past is identifying and developing young talent. And that's what's so interesting about this time around with the Raiders and that that's what they went all in on. They piled up assets. They traded away Cleolmac. They

traded away Amari Cooper, and they really went all in on going young. And so they've got a very young defensive group now. They've got some youth on the offense. And now it's on John Gruden to develop that talent and maximize that young talent. And again, it's a very different looking roster than what he won with when he was at his peak back 20 years ago. And so that's what's so interesting about it. I think that's what the Raiders really have to assess now, too, is what sort job is he doing, developing, and getting that young talent in a position to win. And again, I don't think he's in any sort of jeopardy right now. This was Mark Davis's white whale, you know, landing him. And the contract is prohibitive, I think, to have to move on from him

after this year, especially in these conditions with the pandemic. But I think the questions that you're asking, there are real questions that go back beyond just this tenure with the Raiders. So the Taysom Hill, Drew Brees thing, I think is fascinating. So I have theorized this week is I would play Tayson Hill against the Chiefs because the Saints aren't going to get a number one seed, they're uniquely built to win on the road, unlike most Saints teams. It's about defense coaching and they can pound it. And I think it's, I would not give you, I wouldn't let you see Breeze Saints. I want to see Mahomes. You don't get to see us with Breeze. And then part of me thinks this morning, oh wait, no wait, flip the telescope around. What they don't want to do is potentially

face the Chiefs and let them see any of Taysam Hill for the 12 plays in those. Okay, am I over? Am I overthinking it on the breeze Taysam Hill stuff. I think you're getting in your own head a little bit there, Colin, huh? I mean, I had, I mean, you took it one way and then you took it another level. I mean, I think really this is, there's a team that's in a window right now to compete for a championship. They're way over the cap next year. They're going to have to make some big decisions on certain guys coming out of this year. That 2017 draft class, they got Alvin Kamara signed up, but they're going to have to take care of guys like Ryan

Ramsick and Marshawn Latimore and Marcus Williams. and so this is really it for this particular group of players. And I think that they got to do everything they can to get in position to try and get home field. And that means getting Drew Breeze back on the field. And you say that home field isn't as big a deal, right? And I understand what you're saying, that this style of Saints team is a little different, a little bit more equipped to win in all conditions.

Well, the number one seed right now is the Green Bay Packers. I actually think the Packers' home field advantage is enhanced by the conditions that we're all in right now. Because can you think of a more miserable place to go play a football game than in the dark, in January, in an empty stadium in Wisconsin? I mean, I look at this. I think teams like Buffalo and Green Bay. I'm serious about this column.

Like, I think their home field advantage is enhanced because if you're a team that goes into Green Bay or goes into Buffalo in those conditions, right? And now all of a sudden you maybe fall behind 10, nothing, 14, nothing early on. I mean, that could be a very, very miserable place. to try to come back. So I think right now the Saints have to do everything that they possibly can. And I know they are doing everything they possibly can to try and get that number one seed back and make the NFC playoffs go through the Superdome.

I think the idea of going to Lambo for anybody right now, especially a team that plays this games indoors, it's going to be a tall task come January. All right. I thought a lot of the hard, I want to do coaching rumor real about a minute of this. So I thought a little of a, it's funny about college coaches that make a lot of money. whenever their jobs in jeopardy, their name suddenly pops up for NFL jobs as leverage. So I didn't buy the Harbaugh-N-F-L stuff,

although I do think he could coach in the NFL, but I thought it was a little gamesmanship and agent stuff. Just New York Jets. Today, what do we feel like here? It's, I don't know. Trevor Lawrence, to me, opens the door to college coaches like a Lincoln Riley in New York. I don't know that it would be Lincoln Riley.

I would keep your eye on Matt Campbell. The old front office presented Matt Campbell's name to ownership two years ago when they wound up hiring Adam Gase. Now, if you remember that Matt Campbell wound up saying no to an interview there, but they went through it. They vetted him. They really liked him. And Christopher Johnson and the guys in charge in New York have a full idea of what Matt Campbell, the Iowa State coach, can do. And so that's the one name at the college level that seems realistic to me. He's done so much with less at Iowa State.

And I mean, Joe Douglas, he made his bones in his road to becoming a general manager on the college scouting trail. So he's got a really, really good understanding of the way things work at that level. And among NFL scouts, there are very few coaches who are more well respected than Matt Campbell. So if they're going to go down the college road, I mean, we've mentioned Jim Harbaugh's name there because Woody Johnson has a little bit of an infatuation with him. Obviously, Joe Douglas worked with Jim Harbaugh's brother in Baltimore. But if we're going to get a little bit more realistic here, I think, a name that would be realistic for the Jets might be Matt Campbell. Good stuff, Albert Brewer, Monday morning quarterback.

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Geico.com. Gaico.com. Blazing 5. Top of the hour. Love my picks. Patrick Mahomes is favored to win the Super Bowl. We warn him to not waste opportunities because when you watch Justin Herbert last night,

you're going to face him twice a year. And if they end up getting a coach, a dynamic coach, a Brian Daibble, or better, that is an absolute roadblock to winning Super Bowls. And I was thinking about this this morning. If you look at the AFC and NFC, And I said, okay, where are the young quarterback stars? I'm not going to count the bends and the Breeze and the Brady's.

The young quarterback stars, they're all in the AFC. These are 25 and younger. Josh Allen, Tua. Say what you want about Baker. He's productive when he has a good offensive line. Lamar, Burrow, Deshawn, Patrick Mahomes, Herbert. And I'm going to put Trevor Lawrence on. I believe he's transcendent and succeeds despite the Jets.

That's like eight, nine guys. In the NFC, there's Jared Goff and Kyler Murray. If I'm going to count Baker, I'm going to count Jared Goff, whose Goff has been better to this point. But the NFC's got a lot of, you know, it's got Aaron's older, and Brady's older, and Breed's older, and Stafford's older, and Matt Ryan's. So what does this mean?

This is the roadblock, the impediment for Patrick Mahomes. I'm not even counting Justin Fields, who's going to end up in Jacksonville, who I think, unless Jacksonville butchers the coaching high, I think the Jets could hire the wrong coach and Trevor Lawrence is going to be a Hall of Famer. He's going to be Andrew Luck. He's going to be great. I don't think Justin Fields is that kind of kid. I think he needs the right coach to be great.

I don't think he's a Justin Herbert talent. I don't think he's that good. I think he's good. So if they get the right coach, there's another one. Not to mention all these other quarterbacks could go to AFC, but I won't count that. So the seven highest passer ratings right now in the NFL for quarterbacks 26 or younger, They're all AFC. This is your roadblock.

Okay, I'm not counting in this, Joe Burrow, who we love and will be in that. Okay, the deep, dark secret of Tom Brady's success was the bad quarterback playing his division. So he always won his division. He got a buy and then played a low seed at home in Foxborough. and if he won the game, he was in the conference championship. That is why Tom. I love Tom. Tommy's got a 500 playoff road record.

It's a whole different ballgame going on the road, facing good quarterbacks, Peyton Manning, Big Ben. This is the secret, and I love Aaron Rogers. But one of the great advantages to Aaron Rogers, since he was named the starter, the Vikings have had 14 quarterbacks, the Bears have had 14 quarterbacks. and it feels like Matt Stafford's talented,

but he's had 14 head coaches, it feels like. That is a big advantage. Aaron gets a buy. Aaron plays at Lamb ball. It's cold weather. He's used to it. He just has to win a playoff game, and he's in the conference championship.

He's done that less than Brady. But this is the big secret to all this stuff. I've always said this. Part of Nick Saban's success is, most of his time, LSU can't get the coach right, Tennessee can't get the coach right. Auburn can't get the coach right.

Florida finally has the coach right. Because Urban Meyer left and they ran through guys. When Pete Carroll was crushing it at USC, only Cal had the right coach. Washington had the wrong guy. UCLA was a mess. Stanford had a bad coach. The minute Oregon got Chip Kelly and Harbaugh went to Stanford,

Pete Carroll started losing. You need breaks for this. I've said before, one of the great breaks of Michael Jordan. is in hockey, Chicago is in the West. But in the NBA, Chicago's in the East. He didn't have to go through magic in his prime for years. He didn't have to.

He didn't have to go through a lot of the... When he was going against the Pistons in their prime, he couldn't beat him. Going against the Celtics in their prime. He couldn't beat him. They got old. So sometimes... And I'm not saying Michael wouldn't have been the best player of all time. I'm saying there are geographical advantages.

There are divisional advantages. Mahomes, Herbert's a baby and may not have the right coach now. But if you start looking at over the next 10 years, Mahomes is going to face significantly better quarterbacks than a guy like Aaron Rogers or a young guy like Jared Gough is going to face. Because Brady's going to be around for a couple of years. Now, Breeze is gone, but Matt Ryan Stafford, there's a lot, NFC's got a lot of quarterbacks that are good, not great,

and they're expensive and teams are tied to them. So it is amazing. The seven highest passer ratings in the NFL right now, 26 or younger, all AFC. And Burrell's coming back and here comes Trevor Lawrence. So it is a disruptor. It is in the way. Greatness generally happens. Part of it's you and half of it is people around you screwing up.

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