The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 12/29/2020 - HOUR 2 - Herd Hierarchy & Dave Wannstedt

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

Colin gives his week 16 Herd Hierarchy with a surprise drop for one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl. FOX Sports NFL analyst and former head coach Dave Wannstedt joins the show to tell Colin if Urban Meyer would succeed in the NFL.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. Hour two. We're just talking about pizza and chicken wings during the break. Live in Los Angeles, this is The Herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio, FS-1. 50 minutes, Dave Wonstat stops by. He's done the college to pro thing. We're going to talk about the Urban Meyer stuff. Joy Taylor is joining me. So my first job out of college, Joy, where was yours?

My first job out of college was a temp agency. A temp agency? Yes. No, I worked. I wasn't a temp. I worked at the temp. Oh, okay. Yes. And so, all right. And so did you make a lot of money? No.

Okay. Because my first job out of college, I was poor. No, your first job out of college. That was my very first job. That was my first job, period. And then first job out of college. First job out of college. Like in the business?

Yeah. Oh, I was a part-time producer for Sid Rosenberg. So I know you made no money. No, I made $8.50 before taxes. So my first job out of college, I was in Vegas. and so I made no money for two years. I was a sales guy, and they gave me one inning of play-by-play, Las Vegas stars.

And there was this place called a Tap House. That's so local radio. It's so local radio. So it was called a Tap House. It was owned by a guy named Jim. He's from Ohio, big Browns fan. And they had like, and I'm not joking, it was like 99 cents for half a dozen wings.

So I got addicted to bar food. Draft beer. It happens. Everybody's got something. So to this day, I'd never had a chicken wing in my life. I grew up in rural Washington. I had chickens at my house. I never had a chicken wing.

And so all of a sudden, I got addicted to it in Vegas. Because Vegas has a million bars and a million lounges. And last night, I ordered chicken wings from Fresh Brothers Pizza. God, it was so good. So the reason we were talking about this in the break is because Colin will casually at least once a week mention this pizza place. And then he does it. And then I can't help but order pizza. Like within the, it's like a time clock.

Like within the next 48 hours, I'm going to order pizza. Pavlonian kind of. It is. Oh, good at home. Start to get hungry. I'm like, Fish Brothers. There's nothing better than chicken wings.

Chicken wings and pizza. It's pretty solid meal. It's the best ever. All right, it's the herd hierarchy. It's my top 10 teams in the NFL. Let's not waste any time. Here we go. Heard hierarchy.

Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. Listen, I'm still going to put the Cleveland Browns into it. The Jets game, they were missing too many players. Here's what worries me. Not that they've lost two of three.

What worries me is they're the only team with a winning record in the NFL and a negative point differential. And that's something Vegas looks at. That is not a Super Bowl winning team. They're a playoff team. And I do think they'll beat Pittsburgh Sunday and make it in. They have the best, highest-gritted offensive line in the NFL. I've told you before they remind me the Dallas Cowboys. Dax rookie year.

Great running game. Great O-line. Talented but limited quarterback. And they get there. winner lose probably lose their first playoff game Cleveland at 10. Number nine. I don't even know what to make of the Chicago Bears. I think it's the nuttiest turnaround I've ever seen.

They were awful. They lost six straight games and everybody was getting fired. Now they've scored 30 plus points in four straight games. Chicago hasn't done that since the 60s. Matt Nagy is hot. Trubisky for all his issues is 25 and 12 during the Matt Nagy era. They're on a three-game winning streak. If they can beat the Packers,

I do not think they'll beat the Green Bay Packers, but I like their defensive personnel. Trubisky does run around a lot. They got a little bit of a Baltimore feel to them, that they're a little contrary into the league. They throw good enough if the running game is moving. And frankly, the coaching staff, Matt Nagy, deserves a ton of credit because I thought this team was dead.

There was a shovel, and I was about two scoops from buried officially. Now they're at nine. Number eight. Miami Dolphins. I do worry, not psychologically that Tua was benched. but he's struggling. He's not throwing for a lot of yards. It's a lot of safe stuff.

Underneath stuff. You know, doesn't move the chains. A lot of three and outs. They have one for their last five. The Chiefs is their only loss. Their defense is number one in the NFL scoring defense. You know what they feel like? They feel like a playoff team,

but they can't win a playoff game. It's very much a Cleveland feel, but I like their coach better than Cleveland's. Not that I don't like Kevin Stefanski, but I think Brian Flores is the next superstar coach in this league, Miami at 8. Number seven. Baltimore Ravens. I probably have them low. Listen, the running game is rolling. They're good on third down. Lamar's absolutely on fire. If they beat the Bengals, they're in. In the last four games, points rushing, third down and passer rating. Lamar's top three. I have the same questions you do. What can they do in the postseason? How will they be trailing against an elite playoff team? I don't know the answers. That's why I put them at seven. But I would not. have any interest playing Baltimore if I'm in the AFC.

Number six. Tampa Bay. I put him at six because of Tom Brady. He's been in so many playoff games and so many close games that you give him the edge over Baltimore. Last three games, I know it's against junk defenses, but he's absolutely on fire. Here's what worries me, though. This is why I do not think they're a Super Bowl winning team.

They're 9-0 against teams that are 500 or worse. They're one in five against winning teams. There's a Mike Tyson quality. They beat up on average fighters. But you put them in a Lennox Lewis or Navander Holyfield and somebody punches back and they just don't have a second or a third gear. I will say Brady and Mike Evans are really aligned right now. Brady is using Gronk Moore, Ronald Jones, whose explosive will come back.

So I think they're clearly capable of winning a playoff game or two. Number five. Seattle Seahawks. I worry about their offensive line. Can you win a Super Bowl with that offensive line? But since Jamal Adams got healthy and Carlos Dunlap came over, they have solved their pass rush issue, which is simultaneously helped their okay corners.

They need to draft a cornerback, and everybody in the building knows it. I got a Super Bowl coach. I got a winning quarterback. I mean, that Rams game is exactly what the Seahawks do. Their offense looks like junk for three and a half. hours. And then Russell end of the half, rustle end of the game, you look up and you're like, okay, you want another division. So, uh, their scoring defense since week 10 has held each of the last five opponents under 20 points and that matters. Number four. The Saints, I've got a concern

though. Since coming back from the rib injuries, I speak from experience, I have a rib injury. He's got an 83 passer rating and Drew Breeze is completing 56% of his throws. It worries me. Um, I'd love for him to take a week or two off. Uh, and they've allowed, 30 plus points in back-to-back games because they're not moving the chains, because they're giving the ball back. I do think when healthy, this is the best overall roster in the NFL. I do think they're a tough matchup for Green Bay, but right now because Drew isn't quite right, I put them at four. Number three. Kansas City. Yes, they've won seven straight games all by six points.

That's not a top team in the NFL. They've got seven giveaways in the last three games. They have the worst red zone defense in the NFL, and Patrick Mahalms struggled in December. Eight touchdowns, five turnovers and a passer rating in the high 80s. Again, as Trent Dilfer said, their floor is really high. They play poorly and win. But at some point, that's in the regular season.

You're going to face the best coaches and the best coordinators and the best teams and the best momentum in the next two weeks, and they're just not clicking. Number two. Green Bay. My only concern is they had the easiest schedule in the NFL. A lot of this feels like fluff, but their scoring offense is profound.

Devante Adams and Aaron Jones, their two key weapons both healthy. The offensive line is good enough. They've won seven of their last eight games. Aaron looks comfortable. Matt Lafleur, I think, is. improved. I think they're a better second half offense than they were last year where I thought they were very good on script, very average post-half-time. They feel like the second best team,

and they are humming and hitting on all cylinders. Kansas City's not. That's why they're above them. Number one. Buffalo, third week in a row. They're a Hail Mary from nine straight wins, 24 plus points in eight games. Their defense now is playing well, and that's their question. and they've held four of their last five opponents under 20. Stefan Diggs is essentially uncoverable. He's the hottest receiver in the league. He and Devante Adams. So they give me everything.

They give me clever coaching, playmakers, star quarterback, weaponry on the outside, playing great situational defense. I think Buffalo is the best team in the league, Green Bay second, Kansas City third, and the best roster, in my opinion, New Orleans at force. Seattle 5 and Jamal Adams will be joining us next hour. We wanted Jamal on today. We asked and he said, okay, come on the show. That's all we have to do, folks.

We're like the handsome guy. We just ask people out and they say, yeah, all the time. It's just an amazing thing. So I saw this story today. It's funny. The headline reads, Raven's offense not built to win a Super Bowl. Okay. So I want to give you, these are what I think are very important offensive stats.

And the headline is Raven's offense. It's not their defense. It's that offense. You just can't win a Super Bowl. That crazy offense. Okay. So I think four things matter in the playoffs. Can you run the ball? They're number one in the NFL. Are you good on third down? Can you keep it away from a Mahalms or Josh Allen? Can you move the chains? They're fourth in the NFL. Yards per play. Are you somewhat dynamic? Well, they're better than the middle of the pack. They're 13th. Points per game.

Hey, it's 2020. All the rules are offense. Can you win a shootout? They're 8th. That's who Baltimore is offensively. Number one rushing, top 4 third down, top 8 points a game,

where everybody's scoring, and 13th in yards per play. So two years ago, the New England Patriots, it's won a Super Bowl. Let's look at those often. Nobody ever said they can't win a Super Bowl in New England because they're offense. So points per game, they were definitely better, but rushing,

they couldn't rush the ball like Baltimore. Yards of play, mostly the same. Third down percentage, much worse than Baltimore. Let's go two years ago. Philadelphia won a Super Bowl. They were about the same yards per play. Third down percentage was worse. Rushing was worse. Points a game better. Nobody talked about Philadelphia's offense can't

win a Super Bowl. Yeah, two years ago, New England, three years ago, Philadelphia, Baltimore stacks up just fine. By the way, in the last month, because I do think momentum matters, how are you playing now? Baltimore's offense, you can't win a Super Bowl with. Number one in rushing, number one third down conversion, number one yards per play, second in scoring. I don't get it. If I have to hear people whine about Baltimore's offense, number one in the league rushing, great on third down, top eight in scoring, yards per play, an issue earlier this year when Lamar struggled, currently number one in the last month. Now, Baltimore may not win a Super Bowl.

Is their defense good enough? I mean, they got to get through Kansas City and Buffalo. I mean, let's face it, even Tennessee and Cleveland, Miami, they're good teams. If I have to hear again how Lamar can't pass and you can't win within. this offense. Every time I watch them, they're dropping 28 on somebody. Every time I watch them, I don't see any, I don't see any sevens. You can't win a Super Bowl with New England's offense. Right now, the Rams offense. You can't win it with Cincinnati's offense. You can't win it with a Jets offense. You can't win it with a Giants offense. You can't win it with

Philadelphians. You can't win it with Washington's. There are teams that you can't win a Super Bowl with those offenses. You can't win it with Detroit's. You can win it with Baltimore. Dave Wanstatt's a good guest today. He's always a good guest, got great stories. But he was with Jimmy Johnson. They won a national championship in college. Then they went to the NFL. The difficulties bridging those two.

They're like two different sports. Urban Meyer, the word today is teams in the NFL, multiple teams are interested. That when we come back. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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And by the way, there's no Thursday game. Yeah. Everything's been no Saturday game. It's all jammed a Sunday. So Sunday and next Monday show it's going to be fan. No Monday night football. Everything's on Sunday. It's like a bonus wildcard weekend.

It's a bonus wild card weekend. One of my friends, he was a bear's head coach. In fact, a Dolphins head coach. Last time the Dolphins won a playoff game was under Wahn stat years and years ago. He won a defensive coordinator national title with the Miami Hurricanes. He won a Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnson defensive coordinator.

And he is now joining me live. Foxport NFL analyst and about to be snowy in cold Chicago. So let's start with this. So I said Josh Allen reminds me a little of Troy Aikman. Kind of a disaster in year one, but the size and the arm and the confidence that you kind of looked at Troy. I remember this and you're like it's going to work, but it's just, it's a mess. And then two years later, Josh Allen's great and Troy Aikman was a

pro bowler. Do you see any similarities with the two? You were there for Troy. Yeah, I was. And, you know, obviously the supporting cast, you look at Stefan Diggs, has made a huge difference. And when we were at Dallas, obviously, getting Emmett and adding a couple offensive linemen and making some adjustments to give more support that way, that helped also. So I do see a lot of similar things.

They're both big, strong guys. You know, Josh Allen, and Troy was a great athlete. I remember seeing him play basketball and come, you know, in high school. I mean, so, but we didn't, Troy never ran as much as Josh Allen's. I mean, if I'm defending the bills right now, yes, am I, you know, concerned about the passing game and digs, but you also have to account for him using his legs and making a play. I mean, the guy's deceiving with his foot speed. Yeah, no, very rarely a six-six guy can run, but Josh Allen can absolutely run.

So you've been on this for months. You said, listen, I could win a bunch of games with Trubisky. Matt and Aggie can win a bunch of games with Trubisky, but you've got to play what works for Mitch Trubisky. So you're not shocked, I would imagine, what's happened in Chicago in the last month? Not at all. And I said that when they were having a debate in August,

and we talked about it on our show, Colin, who should start Foles or Chibisky? And I said, I think Chubisky, but you've got to do what he can do best to give him a chance to succeed. And I really think looking back on it now that Matt Nagy and he, the whole organization, they had their mind made up.

Nick Fulz was going to be the guy because he was going to be the guy that could help me be a player coach on the field. When that did not work out now, and you got to give Nagy credit for this, okay? And people are tough on him here. But he was able to take his ego and his comment was he stood aside and said, hey, I'm going to give up the play calling. I'm willing to do whatever I have to for what's best for this organization and this football team. And he has done it.

I mean, there's not many head coaches that would do that, particularly when you're an offensive play caller, and that's why you got hired. And now that they've made this change, Chibiske's, I mean, he's over two to one touchdowns. He's quarterback ratings in the high 80s. And there's a lot of excitement. They should sign him back next year. I would franchise him until they can figure out, hey, is he going to be the guy for the next 10 years? I know. That just sounds ridiculous.

I know. I know. A month and a half ago, it sounded crazy. but, you know, I said this. It's a little like Baltimore's offense. They don't throw it like the top teams, but there's an athletic quotient here that's hard to defend. They're both very good.

And because you can roll the pocket with Trubisky. It's funny, I watched the Rams play this weekend, Dave, and I thought Trubisky would fit McVeigh's offense. And I think Goff would fit Nagy's offense. But, you know, that's the reality is that I do think Trubisky can work for coaches, and I think you've been right on that thing. And they started running the ball too, Colin.

I mean, all of a sudden, David Montgomery, they're running back from Iowa State. Everybody's saying, oh, wow, what are we doing different? They're not doing anything different except giving them the football. He's a thousand-year-year-old. One of four backs in the NFL, they're a thousand-yard rush position. So you're a former Miami Dolphin coach. You won a playoff game there. They bench Tua for the second time.

Right thing to do? Is it difficult to do? Where do you land on that? It's not, I don't think it's difficult. And Brian Flores is a strong candidate for coach at a year. I'm going to give him credit because at the end of the day, if things like this don't work out, you're going to get the blame or take the responsibility. But the guy, I don't know if they still give an award.

I know they did one back in the day when we got started. If there's an award for assisting coach of the year, the guy that gets to vote is Chan Daly. Their offensive coordinator. Chan was my offensive coordinator at the Dolphins when I was there. Then I went and worked for him up in Buffalo. Fitz was our quarterback there. Then Chan went to the Jets. Fitz was his quarterback at the Jets when he was the offensive coordinator.

And I'm telling you, the quarterback, Chan is with these two guys all day long. And this is not something that is happening during the game. In other words, Brian Flores is not walking up to him saying, we're making a change. To having a scenario like they have right now and like what they did on Sunday, this is something that was talked about prior. And I think it's the right thing to do because if Tua is in and he struggles, everybody's going to say, well, he's a young quarterback. But the guy that they really believe in, I promise you,

those players believe in Fits Magic right now because of his experience more than they believe in Tua. But let's say, hey, let's put Tua in there. If things go great, he throws touchdowns, we win, we win. But if we don't, we got that security blanket, and Fitz has done it, and he can do it for it. Yeah, and players, I do believe Tony Gonzalez told me Sunday, He goes, if I was a player, I'd want Ryan Fitzpatrick, because he's right now, this moment, he's the better quarterback. So I want us to spend some time on this.

We both know and like Urban Meyer, we think he's great. But college and pro football is different. So when you went, you and Jimmy, win national championships in Miami, and then you go to Dallas, what was the first thing or two that you realized, okay, this is a lot different. What was it? In fact, I think Buddy Ryan had the quote. He says, they're going to find out that there's no East Carolina's in the NFL. And one of our coaches, Tony Wise, told Jimmy, Jimmy, he's wrong.

We're the New East Carolina. But seriously, the first thing, you learn this real quick. You take an NFL job, the most important person, one is your owner. Two is your owner. and three is your owner. So if Urban is thinking about this and he's going to make the transition, you better make sure that you and the owner

have a rapport. I think the second thing, and Urban's are big, and I know him, and I know guys have worked for him, real close guys. And his thing, no one's done a better job,

maybe saving you might arguably close, of recruiting talent players, but then developing them. So he's going to be involved in the personnel. And that's what Jimmy did. I mean, if Jimmy wanted to, if he saw a player that didn't meet all the measurements, and he wanted to draft them, we drafted them. And nobody questioned that.

And I think that Urban's got to, number two, got to get into a situation where the rapport with the general manager, hey, and there's a lot of guys, Mike Tomlin at Pittsburgh. It's the GM and a head coach worked together, but it's a veteran team calling it. If you're going in where Urban's going in, and the way we did it at Dallas, and we kept the veteran guys that were going to buy in. But we turned that team around. The first Super Bowl, we had the youngest team in the NFL, and we kind of had a college mentality.

And I think so if Urban is looking, he's got to look to a team that's going to have a young, basically a young foundation, and it starts with a quarterback. And Troy was our guy, and Jimmy and Troy, you know, had the good rapport. And the quarterback's going to be the face of the franchise. The head coach, I mean, you don't want to go in with a veteran guy

and try to convince him that this is the way you're going to do it. it. And then the last thing, okay, this is important. You know, you got to get assistant coaches and run systems. There's a lot of different ways. When we went to Dallas, and I'll give you a story, we got crushed that first year by Kansas City Chiefs. And you had a big running back Christian Acoyal. They ran up and down the field. It was one of the worst games we had. And I'm watching the tape the next day, and Jimmy walked down the hall. And I remember this conversation. and it's about mid-season. And I said, you know, Jimmy, you got a second, he came in.

It was just the two of us there. And I said, you know what? Look at Kansas City. They're running this under defense. Maybe what we're doing. Do you think that our college defense? Because that's what we did. I took the playbook right from what we did at Miami,

and we installed it with the Cowboys. And I said, look at this. And I said, and then the Giants won the Super Bowl like a year or two before. Parcell and them were running a three, four. You think our defense, I mean, we're doing the right thing? And he said, let me tell you something. We know our defense better than they do, okay? And we got to get players to fit in here, and we've got to keep coaching like we're coaching,

and we all know the results we'll get. Well, guess what? Fast forward. Now we're winning games. We win Super Bowls. And to this day, they still call that defense that we brought from Miami and put it at Dallas. It got labeled the college four, three. and that's where it originated.

And it was just because of, hey, there's a lot of different ways to do it. So my point is this, that Urban's got to get some assistant coaches, and he's not on top of it. He kind of runs it like Jimmy doesn't like a lot of guys do it. Big picture guy. I'm going to be involved in everything, offense.

But, you know, he's not one of those play caller guys, is my point. So he's got to get a couple of assistant coaches if he goes this route. And he believes, the system and they've got to get players to fit that system. So that's the three things that I think the owner, personnel decisions, and then get a couple systems that you believe in and you've got to get players to build around that. Well, that was good.

I learned a lot right there. You got a good memory there. So what's it like in Chicago? Like, is it 9 degrees, 15 if I came there for the weekend? Well, we're going to get about through. I'm looking at the city right here. See, there I am. I'll give you a little tour right there.

we are expected about four to six inches of snow by the time we wake up in the morning the city it's cold but everybody's in a good mood because the bears are winning I don't blame them I got my I got my monsters and midway sweatshirt off I'm ready to light a cigar and walk down the street here all right love to join you I will soon enough

when it warms up good seeing you coach all right Colin Dave won staff I've never met a guy with more stories he has Excellent memory. Oh, that's an unbelievable. But his whole thing was, you got to get the owner right, you got to get, you got to have a say in the personnel, and you better bring systems and believe in the systems. And, you know, he mentioned something that's, he kind of glazed over it, but this is a big deal. There's two types of coaches in the NFL.

There's the, they call them walk-around guys. Jimmy Johnson's a walk-around guy. That they just kind of walk around the whole practice. Belichick tends to be a walk-around guy. Now, Sean Payton's not a walk-around guy. Sean Payton's in that offensive room, and he's doing the mad scientist thing, and he lets defense do its own thing. So Jimmy Johnson was known as a walk-around guy.

Belichick's a walk-around guy. I think Pete Carroll's known as a walk-around guy, and that's what he was saying. Urban Meyer's reputation is he just kind of walks around to the special teams coach. He's just constantly tightening the screws on everything. Sean Payton, I've been told, is more, I'm going to go to this side of the ball, and we're just going to be smarter,

and I'm going to spend all my time here. So you can win Super Bowls with both. But I think Urban has kind of a walk-around guy mentality, which is Jimmy was that. Big picture guy. I'm going to go coach my coaches. Right. I'm going to coach my coaches, not just the players.

Well, we talked about this a couple weeks ago. I think where a lot of new head coaches fails, they don't hire the right assistance. It's really important. That's not a time to be doing favors. Like you've got to hire people that you believe in And they believe in what you're doing Yep good stuff Joy Taylor with the news

No no no no turn on the news This is the herd line news Well Washington released Wayne Haskins yesterday After nearly two seasons with the team He expressed disappointment in this decision But is also hopeful He'll get another chance in the NFL He said it's been a long week

Hardest week Hardest work week of my life All good things come to an end eventually just thankful I was even able to get drafted, thankful to even come home and praying and hoping for another opportunity. I have no doubt in my mind that I can overcome this, that I can grow, that I can be a better person, better athlete, better quarterback, better leader because of this. Well, he's big and strong and throws an accurate ball, so he's going to get a second chance somewhere. Now, it may not be a franchise guy, but he will be invited to a camp because he's 6'5, he's got big arm, he throws an accurate football, and there are people that will just say he needs to grow up. You almost always get a second chance if your issue is you've got to grow up.

Nobody's saying he can't throw. He's too small. Like, it's not a talent thing. It's a he just needs to grow up a little bit. Well, I mean, it is a little bit of a talent thing because if he was playing like, not even MVP level. If he was playing average, they would be running away with this division with the defense that they have. And there would be a little more flexible on what happens. Because as we know, the tolerance for mistakes, generally.

has a balance with how much talent and production that you have. They're in jeopardy of losing the division and if he wasn't, if he was playing better, that might not be happening. So there's a reason why he's cut. They're not cutting Patrick Holmes at this. So Patrick Holmes wouldn't do this, but we all know how this

works. He will get another opportunity in the league because as we've seen with many teams, especially this year, it helps to have a backup quarterback that has starting experience. And he's also there's still four or five teams in this league that have kind of your traditional pocket guy,

and that's where he fits. He's not an athlete. Like, you're not going to move the pocket with him, but just a bit, like, how valuable would a backup quarterback be for, like, the Rams this weekend? A big strong kid who could make throws. Like, what we've learned about this league is you will have, I mean, unless it's Tom Brady, you will go to your backup quarterback every couple years. I think it was Jimmy Johnson. I don't want to misquote him.

But I think it was Jimmy who said, like, the second most important position on your team is backup quarterback. He will play unless it's Tom Brady. Look at the Saints the past two years. Look at Philadelphia. Look at Philadelphia. Rams now. Rams. Chicago.

Chicago. Miami. Yes. It's very important to have a strong, and what the Steelers did last year. Like, it's very important to have a strong backup quarterback. So he's going to get another opportunity. Look, at the end of the day, I, if I was Ron Rivera, I don't think I would have, I think I would have cut him. immediately. I understand he

the only reason I feel like what Haskins was even out there this week is because he felt an obligation to the rest of the guys in the team to put the best player on the field and not punish everyone else for Haskins decision. But he's going to get another opportunity in the league. So Cam Newton was benched for Jared Sidham in the third quarter of the Patriots

38 to 9 loss to the bills last night and after the game he expressed his frustration with how his season into England is gone. So you can kind of understand the frustration that I do have when I don't have the outcome because I'm sacrificing so much. Talking to a person who ain't seen his kids in three months.

Submitting myself to this team is something that I've been doing since day one, being accessible. And yeah, it's frustrating. I've sacrificed so much this year. And, I mean, it hurts. I'm fascinated. I've been to JC Penny. I've never seen that jacket.

I've been to the Gap. I don't understand. Where does he get his clothes? That is not a Jason Pennycoat. That's, yeah, Cam is, Cam's got a whole, a whole fashion situation. Does he have a line? No, I don't think he has a line, but I'm sure he has a style. Actually, I don't know if he's a stylist. It might be his own, but.

I've never seen any of his clothes anywhere. I would have a hard time thinking that he doesn't have someone helping him, like, source clothing and getting exclusive pieces and stuff. I've been a Jay Crew. I've never seen that jacket. That's not a Jay Crew. Abercrombie and Fitch. Not an Abercrombie coat. I don't know what that code is, but I'm sure it's pricey and I'm sure it's exclusive.

Cam has got, he's, he's, is he the best, yeah, I think he's the best dress. Oh, God, yes. Not even a, a few second. I'm trying to think of, I'm trying to think of a second. There isn't one, I don't think. No, not a close second. It's like Russell Westbrook and Cam Moon. That's it.

I mean, in terms of stylish? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no one else could wear that. Like, Cam wears that, and he pulls it off. Anyone else wearing that is just, you have to have the full entire swag and confidence to pull off extreme pieces. And he does with these.

Now, the situation of the Patriots is a different situation. I don't put this all on Cam. This is an extreme situation for Cam to go into. Now, look, can Cam have played better? Yes, absolutely. Is he having trouble throwing the ball? Absolutely. But the Patriots are in big trouble.

And this is not a surprise. The Patriots were in big trouble well before Cam got there. We were talking about this well before Cam got there. I thought they were going to be the worst team in the AFCs. They are. They are. And it's really... I mean, like, obviously the Jets are worse, but the Jets are in a better situation.

Yes. Moving forward as well. That's New England's issue. It's not just a bad team. They're now picking 14th in the draft. So, okay, Trevor Lawrence is gone. Wilson Kid out of BYU is gone. Justin Fields is gone.

Trey Lance is gone. The question is, will Matt. Jones from Alabama be there with the 14th pick. It'll probably be, my guess is they all go. It's going to be if Minnesota, for instance, took a quarterback, then they're not going to have a quarterback. The problem with the Patriots, because I know Patriots fans are going to start freaking out, we have Bill Belichick.

Believe me, I'm still giving Bill Belichick grace. I think he has a master plan. But even if they bring in a quarterback, and don't give me the whole, like, well, we don't need the top pick in the draft. Tom Brady. Okay. like you win the sixth round. Nobody's getting credit for Tom Brady.

Tom Brady gets credit for Tom Brady. That's it. Nobody gets credit for drafting Tom Brady. That wasn't like, there wasn't some wizardry. Right. So that's not going to happen again. Period. But the problem is even if you bring in a veteran quarterback,

what do you do with the rest of your squad? What is the rest of this roster? Now you're going to get the eight players that opted outbacks. You're going to get improved there. But this division is not the same. The bills are not getting any worse. The dolphins are getting better. The jets are in have a million draftics,

cap space, a GM, and they're going to get a quarterback. So this is a new world for the New England Patriots. So this situation with Cam is not surprising to me. So Nets Guard, Spencer Dinwiddie, partially tore his ACL in his right knee and will miss the remainder of this season. Oh, that's brutal. Awful news. Brutal.

The Nets confirmed the injury instead of surgery is scheduled for next week. There's reportedly no other structural damage in his knee, and he's expected to make a full recovery before next season, but this is a huge loss for the Nets. Yeah. You know, this is interesting to me. for all we all know the NFL's got to like UFC as a regulated level of violence right I'm always surprised how few NFL players miss the season they miss games if you're talking about 300 pound guys landing on each other NBA has it always feels like it has a lot of

season ending injuries to me well is it because if it's a if it's those kind of injuries you're missing the season is it because you go from zero to 60 so far I mean you're You have almost no preseason. Then you're playing 38 minutes. Well, the NBA season is also very long. So you're tired athletes. I mean, they obviously just started back, so you can't blame this injury on that. That's a bad loss for them.

That is. It's significant. He's a big part of the glue on that team. He had a breakout season last year. Yeah, so it's a huge loss. But he will be back for next season. All right. Joy with the news.

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Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. We were talking about Josh Allen earlier today is it's really hard to find examples of somebody that's wildly inaccurate as a quarterback, Josh Allen college and his first year as a pro, like horrible. And now he completes 70% of his throws. What would worry me if I'm Buffalo

is how much of this is Brian Daibald, the offensive coordinator, who's going to leave? Like, is this as good as it's going to get for Buffalo? Because Josh Allen, you're not paying him any money right now, and he's got probably the best offensive coordinator in football. Like, it feels like for Buffalo, there's a little bit of urgency. I don't feel that with Kansas City, because Andy Reid's not going anywhere for a decade. And Andy Reid's the guy design and plays.

So I know, I know Mahalms is going to be good for a decade. I don't worry about that. Aaron Rogers, Matt LaFleur. They're not going anywhere. Sean McDermott's a defensive coach, much like Belichick. He relies on his coordinator. Like Jimmy Johnson, that offense was Norv Turner's. That's why Norv was really good.

So it's really interesting about Buffalo. I love their story, but I can see it unravel a little bit if Brian Dayball takes a charger job or a Jacksonville job and you hire an offensive coordinator and he's okay. because, I mean, there's a lot of things quarterbacks get better at. But you don't take inaccurate guy and make him accurate guy. In fact, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I always had this theory on quarterbacks.

You could never complete less than 60% of your throws in college and be a star in the NFL. Matt Stafford, who, by the way, talented but kind of underachieved in his career, you could look it up. Stafford, I think, was at Georgia, like 59. And it was why when he got drafted, I said, big arm, big talent. But I think Matt Ryan, so Stafford at Georgia was 57%. And that in the NFL, to go from college, you got to be at 60% completion.

I remember years ago, I don't want to call out the player. I can't say the coach's name or you'll know the player. There was a head coach in college who had a very popular player. And he predicted Tebow wouldn't work. He predicted Jake Locker wasn't going to work. He texted me. He's like, not going to work, not going to worry. He's like, Jake Locker's not accurate enough.

At college, the windows get smaller. And he said, Tebow, he's got great receivers in college. He'll never get that wide open wide receivers that he has at Florida. And he doesn't throw. But the point being is, you just don't see it much. You don't see a guy that was inaccurate in college. Inaccurate as a rookie. like 52%

and then they're completing 70 a couple years later so it makes me worry about this is the best the bills are going to be. They've got this classic sort of, it was like Atlanta when they got to a Super Bowl. They had Kyle Shanahan he took Matt Ryan to a different level. Kyle leaves Atlanta's never the same.

Now I think Sean McDermott's better than who Atlanta had as a head coach but it does feel Peter King came on earlier and talked about this massive almost unexplainable accuracy leap for Josh Allen. As far as, you know, the retinkering with Josh Allen, this started, Colin, last year at the Super Bowl, when Josh Allen talked to Tony Romo, he didn't retool him totally, but he did give him some advice and obviously continues to retool his delivery. And you're absolutely right.

his accuracy, you very rarely see a guy who was inaccurate, as is inaccurate as he was at Wyoming and his first year in Buffalo really improved, but he has. By the way, we're talking about Urban Meyer. So I don't worry about anything with Urban Meyer, other than the fact that he doesn't have any NFL DNA. Jim Harbaugh was a college guy, right? But he played in the NFL and was a wide receiver coach.

Coughlin was a seven-year NFL-wide receiver coach before he coached Boston College. Matt Rule had coached in the NFL. Cliff Kingsbury played in the NFL. Generally, Pete Carroll was in NFL way before USC. Generally speaking, the college guys that work in the NFL, Jimmy Johnson, and he's the exception for a lot of things, but Jimmy told me years ago he would go to NFL seminars every offseason. He wanted to be an NFL coach.

It's just he had to start at like Oklahoma State and then go to Miami. But he wanted to be. I've known Urban for years. He would admit to you for the first 20 years of his college career. He didn't even watch Sunday football. He didn't watch it. So it's such, it's like John, what was the guy, Michigan basketball coach, got hired by the Cavs, B-line. Yeah, like he was a great college coach, but never gave you an inkling.

He liked the NBA. He went there a month in. It was like, oh, this doesn't work at all. He didn't get the players. He didn't get the culture. he doesn't get, and Beline's still a top five college basketball coach. So that worries me. Nothing else does.

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