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We had a tough week last week, Stucky.
The Eagles got destroyed.
the football team stinks
and the Chiefs
I think shocked us all
by getting blown out in Tennessee
but we're 10, 10, and 1
on the season.
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I got out of the week four and four,
but those are my three biggest bets
and they killed me.
I mean, the Washington football team should have covered.
That was the one that really frustrated me.
I mean, if you look at the box,
but they should have won the game.
They were in the inside of the football.
the 10 yard line about five times. It didn't
score against one of the worst red zone defenses in the NFL.
But I deserve everything that I got for betting the
Chiefs as a favor. But it was one of the ugliest weeks
on the NFL
scheduled this year. So I'm happy
that it's over with him. We're on to week eight.
Yeah, it feels like a much better slate. I mean, that slate,
even last week on paper was awful. This week on paper
looks pretty good. Let's start with, I mean,
shit, hottest team in the league and the Bengals.
playing the Jets. Jets getting a lot of points here, 10 and a half.
Zach Wilson injured.
Mike White, who I've never seen play before.
But 10 and a half is a lot of points.
The Jets, a little bit like the Lions, can be frisky just when you don't expect it.
And the Bengals, to me, I would take the Jets here plus 10.5.
Like, they're not good enough to just to expect they're going to play shitty teams and
blow them out.
So I'd go with the Jets here.
How about you?
Yeah, Mike White played at Western Kentucky.
actually know him a bit
and he
look I mean if you look at this line
and I agree with you on the surface
I mean it's and I played the Jets
plus 10 and a half here I think this line is
outrageous the this is the same
Bengals team that was a three
and a half point favorite at Detroit the same Bengals team
that got shut out in the first half
against Jacksonville and needed a miracle
to come back to beat the Jags at home
this is a Bengals team that
one win like this happens in the NFL season
they have one extraordinary win all of a sudden
they're everyone's super
Bowl darling. I don't see it. Number one, this is a third
straight road game for them. They have the
Browns next week. They're coming off
one of their biggest wins in their franchise
of the past 15 years.
And then they're going to up to New York to play the lowly
Jets. So just on the surface,
a lot of potential for a flat spot here.
But the Jets, look, this look at headline, before what
happened last week, the Jets got crushed off
of a buy against the team that they just played
in their division a couple weeks for. Bad look for
solid. So you've got to downgrade
them. But the look at headline was three and a
half, which is what I had at that before last week. So Bengals minus three and a half at the Jets.
All right, Bengals, crush the Ravens, adjust them about a point and a half. You know, the
jets, they get blown out, adjust them down a point half. You're at around six and a half.
Okay, Zach Wilson is out. Who cares? I mean, Zach Wilson, by every metric has been the worst
quarterback in the NFL. It cannot get any worse than what he's put out there. And, you know,
he's had one competent game all year against Tennessee. He was kind of
just bombing the ball and you got lucky a bit.
So I don't think there's that much for drop off.
Say it's a point, which is, I think, extreme, you're at seven, seven and a half.
This line, the overreaction based on what we just saw last week is crazy.
I can't tell you anything great about the Jets.
They have a decent defensive line that maybe can get some pressure.
But just an NFL team at home coming off an embarrassing loss,
catching a team in an awful spot, catching over 10 at home.
I just don't think there's that much of a drop off after losing Zach Wilson.
So give me the New York Jets.
I think I heard this stat.
I'm sure you'd know it.
The Jets have not beat the Patriots since 2011.
Is that true?
Does that sound right?
Yeah, the Jets have not beat the Patriots in regulation since 2011.
They've won two overtime games, one in 2013 and one in 2015.
That's it.
I mean, the Belichick owns the Jets.
And definitely under Brady, they were never losing the Jets.
Now, I don't know if he's.
covered every spread.
But he's been, you know, them kicking the shit out of the Jets is not like, oh, my God.
Like he's been doing it pretty consistently since a couple of those Rex Ryan teams.
He owns them.
And yeah, they dominated him.
And Bill, Bill does not like them.
I mean, he was trying to put up a 60 spot on them last week.
But you should get the Jets best effort, I assume over, I mean, from Sal will have them
ready after that embarrassing effort last week.
And then this is, you could, I could see since he, like that Jacksonville game,
you come out here.
they have three points at the half of just shocking them.
I'm with you.
I think I kind of expect that.
Let's go to the AFC South that, you know, the Titans are in control.
They got a two-game lead and they've already beat them.
The game is in Indy.
Indies won three games in a row.
Carson's, you know, that was a monsoon for us out here on the West on Sunday night.
And, you know, he made some plays and he was pushing the ball downfield.
It feels like they've got their mojo back a little bit.
you know, it feels like the Titans are just
are going to be a very, very popular team.
I don't know if I would even bet this game.
I guess I'd take Indy minus one.
What do you say?
Yeah, I think the cold skitt done here.
They're not being respected enough in the market, in my opinion.
Look, they've covered four straight, and they should have won four straight.
With the Ravens game.
Yeah, they went to Baltimore.
Their kickers not hurt.
and they're up big in the fourth quarter.
That was an impressive effort in that game.
They win that game, which they should have.
All of a sudden, the narrative is different,
but there's still a lot of doubt around Carson Wentz,
but it looks like this marriage with Frank Reich is working.
Jonathan Taylor's playing excellent.
And it's setting up the play action.
Their offensive line is now healthy with Nelson back.
Braden Smith might come back.
You might also get Ty Hilton back.
So this is a much healthier offensive unit.
And look, you just can't.
can't overreact to one game. The Chiefs are just a mess. Tennessee stole bottom five defense
with horrendous corners and they can't defend the run. So Indy's going to get their run game
going and they're going to be able to attack this banged up already poor secondary. The other side
of the ball, Tennessee is going to get theirs. Look, their offense is really good, but Indianapolis,
if you look at DVOA or EPA per play, number one rush defense in the NFL. They don't have to
commit too many resources to stopping Derek Henry. They'll play a lot of zone. They won't give up
a big play. Tanahill will move the ball some. The Titans will get their points, but I think the
Colts can get some key stops in the Red Zone or on third down. This is their season.
They should pull up all the stops here. I mean, if they lose this game, it's going to be, you know,
their division's pretty much out of the question. It's going to be tough sledding to the playoffs.
Whereas the Titans, look, it's hard to get up three weeks in a row in the NFL. They just beat the bills
and the chiefs and back-to-back weeks at home.
So I think the Colts get this done.
It won't be easy, but I'll trust Reich and his staff here in this Colts team that's really starting to get rolling.
One thing if Indy wins this game, they'd be four and four.
Then they get two more home games, Jets, Jags.
Like, we can look up in three weeks, and the Colts all of a sudden could go from one and four to six and four.
You'd be like, what the hell just happened?
I mean, they were a playoff team picked by, I know me, coming into the season.
And you saw last week, like, physically they can hang.
Niners are a physical team, and they got no problem getting physical.
That's the one thing, the chiefs are a little bit of a softer team.
And so are Tennessee, and they just outplayed them.
But it's not like Tennessee beside the run game.
Their defense is soft.
You know, I'm with you.
I like the Colts in this spot.
Yeah, it's an amazing swing game because they lose.
Then you're three and five.
Yeah, then it's interoperable.
The Titans, and you're basically like four games back in the division.
It'd be hard to get to 10 wins for the, they got a tough schedule, the bills and the bucks.
But the night game, a team kind of, I'd say.
say like the Colts that if you watch
him on the right game, Minnesota can look
pretty good. I mean, offensively,
listen, even I was a cousin's hater
for a long time, but he's played really well for
a couple years now. I mean, offensively, they're
dynamic. Jefferson's a star.
Thielen's really good.
Even, you know, their backup running back can play,
let alone Dalvin's a stud.
Dallas, whose defense, you know,
I mean, Diggs has made a bunch
of plays, but I don't think they're like the 85
bears or anything. Dax
banged up, which is not
nothing. I mean, he's still kind of going through this after a buy week. So he's clearly like,
clearly injured with that calf. Minnesota at home, that places be going to be going ape shit,
I would imagine doing the skull chance. This is a tough one for me. I mean, I feels like a lot of
people are going to take Dallas. I might just go Minnesota plus two. What do you say?
Yeah, I've been, sorry, I tease Minnesota. I'm going to bet Minnesota. I bet some Minnesota plus two.
I'm waiting to see if we get enough Dallas love in the market. Dallas, by the way,
six and no against the spread.
And that's one year after they started 0 and 8 against the spread.
They started 0 and 8 last year.
But they've covered every game.
They burnt me in New England, but I, you know, I had no issues taken.
I would take New England again on that spot.
You know, they lost plus four in overtime.
But Minnesota, sort of like, like you mentioned, Indianapolis,
you look at what they've done this year, they're only three and three,
but their first two losses of the year came against two first place teams,
the Bengals and Cardinals in games they should have won.
You know, they had a botched fumble review.
on the road in Cincinnati.
I don't know what in overtime they lost.
They should have won that game.
They make a chip shot field goal.
They beat Arizona in Arizona.
All of a sudden, this team is five and one.
And they're probably a three, three and a half point favorite here.
The one game they lost was against the Browns and the tight, low scoring game.
The Cowboys defense, if you look at a lot of the, you know, if you look at EPA per play, Vikings sixth in the NFL, Cowboys' ninth,
if you strip out all the turnovers, though.
the turnover luck for Dallas, which is just not sustainable.
A lot of tip balls.
And the Dallas is two times as many turnovers as Minnesota.
You strip all that out.
They're a slightly below average defense.
I mean, they have a corner with seven interceptions.
It's insane.
So there's going to be some regression coming Dallas's way.
It's still below an average to below average defense.
Minnesota's defense getting better each week.
They're getting a ton of pressure, which I think is going to,
it's going to cause DAC some problems if he can't move around with this cap.
You also have the, there's an outside chance that Act doesn't play.
So if you bet this now, obviously, if he got ruled out, which I don't think he will.
You know, this line would go to Minnesota more than a field goal favorite.
So I like the way this Vikings team is playing.
Both teams coming off of a buy.
Again, desperate situation for the home team here.
Minnesota doesn't win this game.
It's looking, it's going to be an uphill client, plus, whereas Dallas pretty much already has the NFC East locked up.
But I think Minnesota is a little undervalue to the mark right now.
This offense is playing so well.
And then you get a healthy Dalvin Cook now.
And, you know, you can attack this Dallas defense.
Last year, these two teams met the Vikings averaged seven yards per play.
They should move up and down the field.
Now, look, Dallas's offense, excellent.
They're going to move the ball.
But where does Minnesota excel under Zimmer with a healthy defense?
Last year was the exception of the rule.
Third downs, red zone.
Always elite.
So I think that Minnesota will just get enough stops in the red zone,
hold Dallas to some field goals.
a couple third downstops.
Their offense will move the ball at will.
I think Minnesota pulls this out.
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It's easily my favorite game on the board.
After Tomlin went on his ran, he's pissed off.
You know, the Steelers are three and three.
They're very much alive, just as any team 500 right now is.
On the road against the brownies, who let's face it, with the injuries,
Baker's banged up.
And him in case, as you saw on the Thursday,
I don't even know if there's that big of a difference.
But they're clearly just, when they're not as healthy,
they're not as good as I would have thought they would have been.
I mean, they were good on paper,
but take away some guys, that running attack,
even though the guy last week who had never heard of goes for 140 yards.
But it's going to be a little more difficult against the Pittsburgh Steel.
I love, I mean, love the Steelers plus three and a half here.
Yeah, hook is key here.
This has all the makings of a low score.
A boring affair.
And look, this is a classic Tomlin spot.
Tomlin is 27-10 against the spread against teams with a winning record when he's an
underdog.
That's insane.
27 and 10 against the spread.
Classic raw-raw-raw spot.
He is your fight.
You know, when you want to, we have to go to war.
It's us against the world.
You need a motivational edge.
He's as good of a coach as there is in the NFL, which is why you see him thrive as underdog.
And you see the Steelers sometimes when they're big favorites.
they come out really flat because they don't have that same energy.
But this is a classic Tomlin's spot off of a buy, you know,
really important game for your season, playoff revenge, right,
from last year when they got stomped by Cleveland in the playoffs.
And, you know, you have all this, all these rumors swirling.
This is a perfect opportunity for Tomlin just to rally the troops.
So don't disagree with you there.
I'm curious to get your thoughts on the USC coaching rumors.
I was like, why would Tomlin ever want to take this?
job. He's been so comfortable. You've got to take a pay cut, I assume. Go try to recruit kids in
California. I didn't think it made any sense. It looks like James Franklin from the rumors is going to be
there, but I was curious to get your thoughts there. Yeah, I mean, I think a school like USC,
you know, there are going to be people in that operation, some of the big boosters that have
stupid money, right? And they view themselves as every bit as big of a job as any NFL team or
college team. So those names get thrown out. And then Carson Palmer, I mean,
probably he might be going to a meeting with like five guys worth a combined three billion dollars
and they're throwing names out and Carson's like, fuck yeah, I used to play against Tomlin.
He'd be badass here.
And they're like, put his name at the top of the list.
And then he gets asked and he's furious.
One, I mean, if Sean Payton had been mentioned by Carson Palmer, he would have been asked as well.
But like, I'm with him.
The Steeler job is infinitely better.
He probably makes, what would you guess, $10 million a year with all the winning he's done for all
he makes a lot of money.
I think James Frank,
to me,
James Franklin,
my issue with James Franklin is,
if you get the USC job,
right or wrong,
everyone's going to,
yeah,
I think regions matter in college football,
unless you're Urban Meyer,
then you can coach wherever.
But he's not on that level,
and he won 11 games a couple times there,
but some of the programs were down.
Now the Big Ten's good and much more competitive,
and he's having a more difficult time.
He can recruit,
but I see he's always recruited.
You know,
look at Mario.
like Oregon is good, but they're not like some dominant program for how they're recruiting.
Like you're expected to win.
And I think James Franklin is a very, very risky pick.
You could argue Penn State is every bit as good of a job as USC.
Like he's recruiting top five classes.
Why would he, and he's getting paid big money.
Why would he leave?
You know, maybe just because the conference is easier, but that's not how coaches think.
You know, so I think USC is, you want LSU is a way, to me, LSU is a,
step above USC in terms of the ranking of the jobs.
And I think, I would imagine USC is going to, unless James Franklin, the deal is already done,
which it kind of, I don't know if you saw him talk yesterday.
He was basically, it feels like he's gone.
He didn't say no or, yeah, he was basically saying, like, we'll talk about this later.
Yeah, it's interesting.
There's some of the PAC 12, I mean, US, I think it's better when you have a dominant PAC 12 team.
I mean, in Oregon's still recruiting really well.
USC, it's sad what's happening with Washington.
and they're trailing off in the recruiting department as well.
But yeah, I think that you need a West Coast guy there
and you need someone that's a lot more competent than Clay Hilton was.
I think sometimes you overthink it, right?
Like, let's say LSU hired your guy Mark Stoops at Kentucky.
Is he Nick Saban?
I don't know, but there's no chance he would lose.
Look at what he's doing at Kentucky.
So if you gave him LSU, I know he's going to win.
And I'd be shocked if he didn't make the playoffs within three or four years.
But they would be like,
it's not quite sexy of enough in name.
The guy at Oregon State, Jonathan Smith, who's winning now at Oregon State, who was Chris Peterson's
office of coordinator at Washington when they were really good.
Like, that's not a sexy hire.
But here's what?
He's from L.A.
He's winning in the Pac-12 right now.
He might not be, everyone's looking for Nick Sabin.
I think a lot of these guys overthink the room here.
You just go for a less sexy hire, but one that you know at minimum is like, James Franklin
could be a disaster.
Because his ego is going to be big.
he thinks it's probably a little less pressure.
And then all of a sudden he wins nine games by year two.
People are like, what the hell?
I thought we were going to go 12 and up.
You know, so I think you have season in a little trouble.
Yeah, I think Smith would be a good hire there.
No, you mentioned it.
Like, do you think Mark Stoops is good, like, would he even be in the mix for the LSU job?
Or is he not sexy enough name?
Yeah, I don't think he's a sexy enough name.
But he's shown over the past, you know, his biggest improvement over the past, you know, five to six years.
It's like the recruiting.
How would he not win it?
LSU. That's what I think.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well,
have a good weekend.
Enjoy the games. Absolutely.
See you later, Stucky.
Thanks, brother. Have a going, man.
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Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.
Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel,
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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
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Some call it grotesque.
Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
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On the Look Back at it podcast.
From 1979, that was a big moment for me.
84 was big to me.
I'm Sam J.
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Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down,
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with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.
Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s.
It was a wild year.
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I don't think there's a more important year for black people.
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A win is a win.
A win is a win.
I don't care what you're saying.
Yep, that's me.
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You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey,
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