The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Baker/Browns Beef, Russ Weight Watch, Zach Wilson Tabloids, Mailbag

Episode Date: July 12, 2022

John discusses the ongoing back-and-forth between Baker and the Browns, if Russell Wilson’s apparent weight gain will make him less effective, the weirdness surrounding Aaron Rodgers super deep tattoo, and if the Zach Wilson tabloid headlines are signs of a bigger problem. He also answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Subscribe NOW and follow Middlekauff and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and FanDuel for the best wagering action #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'd say that, but, you know, I put out three podcasts last week. We had one today. I'm recording this on Monday. Greg McElroy, former quarterback. You can listen to that. Three and Out feed. If you listen on Collins' feed, make sure you subscribe to Three and Out feed. Share with your friends.

Share with your enemies. Share with anyone you want. As well, we'll have a mailbag today. Be pretty heavy mailbag. Summer months still, summer, July 11th. You know, sun's shining. Hopefully everyone's enjoying the summer. I feel like a lot of you are because it doesn't feel like much of society does much these last couple weeks and probably these next couple weeks.

Maybe I'm alone. Those podcasters are working. But football is right around the corner. And we have training camp starting some thoughts on some things that are out there right now. Have a couple takes. Baker, Russell, Rogers Tattoo. Zach Wilson. Do not sleep on Zach?

Do not sleep on those Mormons. Provo, Utah. So, yeah, and share the podcast. the game plan is of a podcast. We'll have one obviously. If you're listening to this on Tuesday, I will have an open preview. When I say open preview,

just some thoughts on live and golf coming up on Wednesday and then probably another football one on Friday, potentially. And I'm interviewing a couple guys this week that'll come out next week. Might be in Lake Tahoe, having a few pops. But we'll keep rocking and rolling. You know, you just,

you got to keep the content flowing. the content game. And the only way content happens if I get in front of a computer and press record, and that's what I'm doing. So let's start with, first and foremost, with Baker Mayfield. And there was a lot of conversation. Like ultimately, the Jimmy G. Trey Lance conversation is like, could the 49ers keep Jimmy G? Are they going to trade them? Would they cut them? And ultimately, while I do believe that any time you put all your chips in the middle of the table on a young quarterback, I think you got to pivot and you got to let him steer the ship. Now, for every Patrick Mahomes, a lot of young quarterbacks sink the ship.

They go down like the Titanic. I mean, worst case is Ryan Leaf to Marcus Russell, but a lot of guys just never live up to the hype and become average to below average players, even if they stay in the league for 10 years. That's normal. Most guys do not become top 10 quarterbacks, right? But you have to give them the best opportunity to succeed, and you have to give them the voice in the locker room. Andy did it once upon a time when he traded Alex Smith, who was a real.

really good player. Not Patrick Mahomes, but was taking them to the playoffs. Belichick did it last year with Cam Newton. Gave Mac Jones the keys of the car. We'll see what happens with Tray Lance. Ultimately, I think Jimmy is not on the team, but the 49ers like Jimmy G. Personally, the teammates like Jimmy G. Everyone gets along. They've had a lot of success together. There are probably proponents in the building of like, yeah, if we can get Jimmy at the right price, I wouldn't want him as a backup for $27 million. But if he'll take a huge haircut and be the backup quarterback for $10 million, I'm cool with that.

Trey Lance played a couple games and got injured. So you could talk yourselves into that. I would probably tend to disagree, though I think the George Kittles, the use checks would probably be open with it. I don't necessarily think that's the right move, but I think you could do it if you had to. And then there are the spots where, and I'm not necessarily like this because I don't try to hold on to hate

and grudges internally. And I don't have the energy to do that. And when I operate angry and mad, I'm not successful. Like, I don't like where my headspace is. I don't like the way I act. I'm better operating through optimism and through positivity. And to me, like, if you said that to me 10 years ago, I would think that was very cheesy.

The older I've gotten, the more optimistic, the more positive I've been, the more just like forget about things and move on. the more success I've had professionally. So I've just conditioned myself to operate like that. Some people can, Dave Portnoy has been worth hundreds of millions of dollars, operates out of venom and anger and holds grudges and his revenge. And he thrives on that. We're seeing it with Live Golf right now, Greg Norman.

He has a vendetta against the PGA tour. He's trying to take them down. And it motivates him. He gets off on it. And everyone's different to each their own. But I do believe, and I do believe, and I do fall under this category, if you were to screw me in business

or if a female were to do something to like, there's no coming back, you can be dead to me. And I think in business, it's easier like, I'm never doing business with this person again. And you could argue that's easier said than done. It's easy to be like,

I'll never do business with them again. And then you end up, if you're depending on what industry you're in, partnering with them again, as a consumer, you may end up buying their products. It's always easier to talk. I do think in football, though,

and just in pro sports in general, when the product is the person, right? Like the player is ultimately your asset and your product. As a coach or a front office, something can happen. And honestly, it could be an accumulation of things where you never look at them the same, right? You can get into a fight with your wife

or even your kid. This just happened to being my parents, and you just hate them. They hate you. There's a lot of anger. Again, it hates a strong word. But you know what I mean. There's a lot of animosity.

There's a lot of anger. A couple days. later you're cool. It happens a lot with your friends, right? You're like, I can't stand this guy. And then like three days later you're best friends again. We're humans. I do think in sports though, we've seen time and time again, things

happen where you go, there's no coming back from that. And sometimes there's a specific incident, right? There is, you get in trouble, you know, arrested. Something happens with a teammate where it's just like, you've crossed the line and there is no coming back

from that. And then there is the accumulation of stuff. When I worked in radio, I worked for this boss. I had a great boss that got me into it, loved him, helped, you know, get my career going. And then there was another guy who we all couldn't stand. We didn't respect. And every day that went by, I'm like, I don't know how much longer I can take.

And it was like this guy, everything about him. I don't know how I'm working in this environment. I don't know how I can listen to them. I can't go on much longer. And I think once you get internally that like, I can't look at this. I couldn't look at him without internally feeling angry, disgusted, wanting to run away. It was just, it was that feeling that I think coaches get. And front office people I know get because I've seen it.

And clearly Baker, and listen, I don't claim to know a bunch of people in Cleveland. I've heard different stories. A lot of things are leaking out. He was dead internally to Stefansky and Andrew Berry. dead. Now, Deshawn Watson made it possible for them to pivot in terms of like they went and landed this guy, which is kind of a disaster right now. We'll see how it all plays out. But it was very black and white once they got Deshaun't people kept saying like, what if Deshaun't get suspended for a year? Couldn't they just roll back with Baker? There was no rolling back with Baker. These guys couldn't, he was never going to be the quarterback for Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefansky ever again. And, He was traded a couple days ago, and as reports have come out since, they have been working on this trade with the Carolina Panthers for over two months. And like anything, when you're dealing with salary cap space,

it's all about money and compensation. But this has been in the works for a long period of time. And I believe, to my core, that if Deshaun Watson, let's say that situation never had materialized, let's say Deshaun Watson in a perfect world, loved Houston and was just still in Houston and never chased 17. million massage therapists and what didn't have all these lawsuits coming after him and he was just the quarterback of the Texans and that wasn't an option that Baker Mayfield still wouldn't

be on the Cleveland Browns now I don't know exactly who their quarterback would be I'm not saying they would just like signed Jacoby Bressett and been cool with that but they would they would have moved on because I once in these stories coming out like Stefanski didn't want to coach this guy anymore and obviously when things get ugly the worst stories come out even even though Baker's story was like, he didn't show up to an offensive install. He's like, yeah, buddy, he's the head coach. And then the story was like, yes, Stefanski was talking with Miles Garrett. Yeah, he's a little higher priority than Baker Mayfield's offensive install.

That's why they have other coaches too. But it's just one of those situations where his time in Cleveland ended the moment the season ended. There was a picture that went viral of Russell Wilson. You know, who knows? He could be in Capri. He could be on the Sacramento River. I got no clue. It looks like he's in a body of wall.

shirt off, bathing suit, Sierra, panging out. And to put it mildly, and I think I can judge, because, you know, my weight can fluctuate. I'm about 175 now. I've been as high as 210. I'm someone who loves to eat,

but genetically, I have to be careful because as any human will find out, and some people it hits when they're 15, some people it hits when they're 50, your metabolism slows. And I was listening to this, I bought this finance book,

and it actually turned out be a pretty basic finance book, and I audio booked it. And I was just listening, I just listened to it sometimes in the background. Some of the stuff is pretty stupid. But they were on this chapter, again, this is a pretty basic, you know, way of thought that kind of debunking the thought that you can get rich by saving. Like, that's not how rich people get rich. Rich people get rich by a ton of different income streams, investments, R-O-I on investments. It's not just, you make $150,000 and every year you save 17. Like that, that is just impossible. And part of it was most people, the average income, you spend everything you get coming in. So it's not even feasible to save. But they use the analogy

of there was this study of people that lost weight. And for a long period time, and I know this happened to me specifically, is eventually your body gets used to whatever your workout is. And I'm someone who works out probably at minimum six days a week, a lot of times seven days a week. And there was a time when I was like 32 or 33, I started gaining weight, even though I was eating the same foods I've always eaten and I was, and I were eating and working out the same amount and doing the same workouts that I've always done. And I probably put on 20 pounds. And I don't, I didn't really notice it until a couple years later when I look back at the pictures like, God, I was a fat ass. And part of it is your metabolism slows down. And part of this thing is like everyone tells you

just work out and you'll lose weight. That's not necessarily true depending on your age. A huge element of it, and I can speak to this as someone who's 37 years old, the diet. And I heard this forever when I was younger. The diet, the diet, the diet. And I was called BS. I like eating ice cream. I like eating sugars. I like eating carbs.

You have to change at a certain age. And Russell Wilson is a good example. He's someone who's always been, and Collins talked about this. A lot of people have spent a lot of money on his body. He's got therapists, workout people. It takes it very, very seriously. Well, there was a video at Summer League. LeBron was there and Russell Westbrook was there.

Ironically, is LeBron, who's the most pro-player guy, always treats his own teammates once they're dead to him, like a widget. Like Kevin Stefansky treated Baker, wouldn't even sit, acknowledge, or look at Russell Westbrook. Don't totally blame him, even though the reason Westbrook is on the Lakers was LeBron's idea. But regardless, all these guys are eating snacks, right? People in the front row, a ton of NBA players, hot dogs, popcorn, whatever. They showed LeBron.

LeBron had like a bag that clearly a chef made them with like almonds and nuts, which they claim to be a very healthy snack. Because listen, I love to snack as much as probably anyone listening. You know what a good snacks is? Bag of Doritos. You know, some candy. Even though the older you get, you realize those are terrible snacks. So my point of all this is the way to lose weight,

just like the point of the way to get rich, more income streams than one, and invest. You have to take risks to gain the rewards. the way to lose weight the older you get is to change your diet. You can work out the same you've worked out, but at 35 years old, working out how you worked at 22 won't have the same impact on your body because your body changes. And I saw this picture of Russell Wilson. I mean, honestly, he looked like he was 250 pounds.

And I know a lot of people, including the head of the volume, are very bullish on the Denver Broncos. And my one thing would be is Russell Wilson, who I think is a remarkable player. I've seen him live three or four times. I think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Russell Wilson in his prime. And now Primes, a lot of guys, Aaron Rogers,

MVP at 37 years old. Tom Brady kicking ass in his 40s. Primes have been extended at the quarterback position. But Russell was unique. Because unlike those guys, now obviously Rogers can move and still can, Tom kicked ass from the pocket. And Russell can throw a great deep ball from the pocket.

But what made him an extraordinary player was his ability to move, not run like Lamar Jackson, but keep plays alive with his feet, a lot like Mahomes and Josh Allen do now. Now, Josh runs a little more, but behind the line of scrimmage. Deshawn Watson did this too.

They weren't actually running a lot. They were keeping plays alive outside the tackle box, then complete passes, and keep the chains moving. And last year, Russell, to me, looked slow. And you see this picture,

you go, well, why would he look slow? Well, if you add some weight, you're not quite as fit. That doesn't mean his arm's not still awesome. It doesn't mean he doesn't throw a good deep ball. But to me, his weight, I think it's fair to say, it's something to keep an eye on. And he's now, forever, he's ran Seattle, right?

Him and Pete. Well, now, when I say that, he actually had some pushback. Like Pete always got to, you know, kind of control the offense, even though he's a defensive guy, love running the ball. And Russell never truly always thought like he didn't get to cook. And as someone said on social media, he doesn't just get to cook in Denver. eat as well. He can do whatever he wants. You think Nathaniel Hackens telling him what to do? No, he's

dictating the terms. Now, I don't question Russell's focus. I don't question Russell's, you know, ability to like take football very seriously. I believe he does. But I do wonder the diet, whatever he's eaten, he ain't six foot five. He's not Eli Payton or Philip Rivers. He's our most normal human size. 510, 511. Well, you put on weight much easier when you're really small and definitely show it. So it's just, if he is not above average to awesome for them, Denver would have a problem. And I'm tempted, because I'm picking the chiefs to make the playoffs. The Chargers have the best roster in the league on paper.

Even though I don't love their coach, their roster's too good to not make the playoffs. I think Denver and the Raiders made the playoffs last year. They're going to be better now. I just think Denver, everyone's just placing them as a 12, 13 win team. They could. if they get awesome skinny Russell Wilson, or when I say skinny, he was just thinner,

more mobile Russell Wilson, they could be really good. But if they get this kind of bigger version of what we saw last year with an unknown coach, I think it's fair to say there just might be some unknown. It might be like, I'm not saying I'm going to pick him and not make the playoffs.

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Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. And the Rogers tattoo thing, I texted a guy in the NFL. And I've defended Rogers in the sense of, I know he's weird. I know he's different. I do think, like, Colin and other people compare him to Kyrie. We've seen Kyrie be the Alphan teams. His team suck. He's just, he's not a reliable human.

Kyrie can't care. Kyrie gets injured all the time. I've seen Rogers literally carry a franchise for a decade. In these last three years, I mean, he's gone back-to-back MVP's. Now, I've said over and over, he underwhelmed last year in the playoffs. You cannot lose to the Niner team that did not score an offensive touchdown at home. that cannot happen. And I put that even more on him than I do the head coach.

But he has a tattoo. The tattoo kind of goes viral. A little weird tattoo. I text the guy in the NFL who's probably right around my age, mid-30s. This guy's accomplished, been around for a long time. And I just said, listen, I'm not a tattoo guy. Not because I was, when I was in Scottsdale a couple weeks ago, we went to, we went out with another couple.

and the guy had been in the Navy. He's great shape. He had walked on. He played a little college football, and he was tatted up, and the tats, they look good. Like, tats on me would not look good. I'm not yoked.

I don't know the muscles. I just never been a tat guy, because I think they would look terrible on me. Some people, I'm going to, that looks fantastic. Some people pull it off well. Some people do not. A lot of people probably in the middle.

Aaron Rogers, obviously, great shape. He could pull off tattoos. But how often do people, and the guy I was with who was in his late 20s, had probably been getting tattoos for a decade? And I said to the exec, I said, what do you think the average age is for people to get their first tattoo? A guy. I'm just speaking for guys.

And we both agreed probably be in your late teens, early 20s. I would say it's a little abnormal to get your first tattoo. Now, some people do it right when they're 45 or 55 with their kid. and they do one of those like a date. Obviously, if something tragic happens for sure. I'm just talking about non-tragedy, non-family member, your first just tattoo for yourself. At 37 years old.

Like, it's just a little weird. It's just a little weird. Now, it takes nothing to weigh about his football, but like, let's not get it twisted. Devante Adams, and I get he wanted to come back west and have his family to be able to go to games, chose to leave. the best quarterback he'll ever play with.

And he's going, Derek Carr's a good player. Derek Carr is a $35, $40 million player who can be a starting quarterback on a playoff team. Far and away and above average NFL quarterback, depending on the week, can be like the 8th, the 10th best quarterback in the league. But he actively chose to get away from that guy. And I'm not, I'm not anti-Rodgers hater.

But I think it's fair to say that too. A little weird. The timing, it's just, is this guy, I mean, earlier this year, he went on a 12-day whatever in the wilderness where he puked, he pooped, and he did not eat. Listen, as I'm recording this, all I've had today is chocolate milk.

Usually Monday, Tuesday, or my fast day. When I say fast, I don't eat breakfast or lunch, besides liquids, and chocolate milk is kind of my protein. It just helps me kind of keep my obese down a little bit. And honestly, I don't need to eat as much as I did 10 years ago. So I'm not anti-like fasting a little bit.

But that 12-day excursion where you just pooped in the wilderness and ate nothing but air, a little weird. You know, Brady's into some weird stuff. He ain't into that. So it just is Roger's going through midlife? I mean, he's only 37. To me, midlife crisis is usually like 45-50. But he's going through some things, you know?

Now, in fairness, it hasn't affected his football. MVP, back-to-back years. running. Last year you thought he was going through some things. Won the MVP. They were the one seat. But man, what a weird cat. But not as weird as Kyrie. Because again, Rogers produces. Like Rogers literally carries an NFL franchise to the playoffs every year. And he was right on McCarthy.

At last, I don't really know what to say on the Zach Wilson thing. Beside, uh, I don't know, man. That's just, I think you would underestimate a guy. I know it sounds weird, your mother's best friend. Zach Wilson's now 23 years old. He makes $8,9 million a year he's an NFL quarterback. His options for females are probably just different than the average guy.

You know, he's got, I would imagine, the options he has. Now, you could say, a little weird, not ideal. You know, in terms of maybe his mom, is it going to ruin the relationship? but I also said that the one thing with being a quarterback, everything is evaluated. Everything is questioned. Jimmy G.

took a single guy, took a porn star out to dinner years ago, and it was a major story for like a week. Now, I think part of it was, you know, the porn star wasn't exactly a 10. I mean, she's probably closer to 5 than 10, let's be real.

She also had a kid in the industry. It was a little weird. It was like, Jimmy, why aren't you dating tens? What are we doing here? You're like the best looking guy in America besides Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

Is George Clooney? I guess he's a little older now, but you know what I mean? Liam Hemsworth, would he be considered in that? Like Jimmy, been around a lot of women, every single one of them signs off on Jimmy Garoppel. Immediately. He's got fans of the opposite sex.

And when he went out with that chick, you're like, Jimmy, what are you doing? And then people try to justify it like, you know, sled in his DMs, it was easy, doesn't quite realize it's, scrutiny he's under and we just kind of like whatever and honestly since like that no one knows who jimmy's dating and i promise you you probably not going to bed alone but i do think the zach wilson thing you come from utah where you just could do some weird things no one really said anything

now you're in the big apple there's new york a lot of people paying attention good bad and indifferent they're on your ass so it's just weird as you want to say it it's going to be a story that he gets asked about it's just going to be one of those things man it just Welcome to the Big Apple. Let's go. Let's go. Middle Coff Mailback. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram.

Fire in those DMs. And get your question answered here in this little old podcast. Hey man. Name is David. And first off, big fan. Diehard Steelers fan. Here we go.

My question relates to general life. You often talk about business for your analogies. I recently graduated with my doctorate in clinical and school psychology. What are your thoughts on psychology? Keep it up. Kenny Pickett is proof. Kenny Prickett's going to prove you're wrong.

I've been to a psychologist, I guess psychiatrist, psychologist. I would say psychology, I'm a big believer. I think the older you get things that you would have made fun of in your 20s, the way to think about life, the way to think about how you've become something, the way to think about why you are, what you are, the way people can help you and influence you and give you a different perspective. As you mature, if you mature, because not everyone does, you become more open to that stuff. So I would say the last five years of my life, I have become much more open to things that a psychologist, psychiatrist, are those the same things? Any human being. Like, hell, I just got a probably like three months ago, I just went to get a physical because I was like, you know, I haven't had a physical in three years. I'm not 26.

You know, I'm not 55, but, you know, I'm 37. just I'm healthy, but, you know, it's just good. My doctor, who's, I would call close to a family friend, works at Sutter Davis. You know, I mean, this guy works at Sutter Davis, UC Davis, big time hospital, just kind of gave me a couple, like, I threw out a couple things, and he kind of gave me, I would say, mentorship from just a guy that has a different perspective.

And I would, five years ago, I would have gone out one year and out the other. This time I kind of listened. I was like, yeah, it brings up pretty, good point on that specifically. So yeah, I mean, I would say that I have become much more open on the influence and help people can have. Now, it depends.

I mean, not everyone is going to be impacted or even want it, but got a lot of respect for anyone. The problem is I could never, academia, you must have been able to study pretty well. Now, honestly, if you're interested in what you're studying, it's much easier, right? Like if you are studying something that you're interested in It's no different to like, why can I talk about sports for a living? Well, because I read a lot about it. And when you read a lot about something, you just know a lot about it.

So I don't know. I would imagine you're very interested in people. You know, whether it be socially, cognitively, whatever, ultimately, specifically that you're going to, you know, do in your field. But yeah, I mean, I think you've helped a lot of people. not you specifically, but just historically. And some people don't want to be helped, you know. Hey, John, that was deep.

Question for the mailback. Do the Eagles have a better chance to win the NFC East than Dallas? Eagles had an amazing offseason in draft while the Cowboys lost key pieces and replaced them with nothing. I think the Cowboys got worse this offseason. I don't think that's debatable. They lost a pass rusher. They lost Amari Cooper, who, listen, has some. flaws, but he's still a very productive player.

I mean, Zeeke is just a year older, not as good. And I think we saw some flaws in the quarterback. Good player. Incredible fourth round pick. Great guy. You've never heard one part, like Baker Mayfield. Moments shit got sideways, half the team turned on him. Cowboys have been up down.

No one's ever that I remember said a terse word about Dakota Prescott. and that means a lot to me at quarterback. That's why I've turned, now obviously he's become a good player, but I pivoted fast on Lamar. Because once you're like, damn, people love Lamar. I like Lamar. If you're a great guy and you're trustworthy person, it's why I'm out on Deshawn Watson.

Like, bro, I can't trust you. You can't just get a normal date. You can't just slide in someone to DMs. You got to go after the massage therapist. I'm never looking at you the same. Not guilty or innocent, it's just about like, I think you're kind of a weirdo. So, but here's a problem with tag.

Ultimately, it was a fourth round pick kind of for a reason. Now, he got the DUI. He might have got in the third round. He doesn't have an elite arm. He does not have an elite arm. So if he's a little off and a little behind, he throws a pickable ball. It's harder when Mahomes or Josh Allen throw a 99-mile-in-hour rope that's off.

There's a reason the cornerback plays cornerback, usually and not wide receiver. doesn't have great hands. Some guys do, but most corners, you would say, have average hands at best. Well, Dax ball, little like Alex Smith, is pretty catchable. So, yeah, I mean,

and Mike McCarthy is not a good football coach. I just don't think he's very good, given the standard in which he's talked about. Like, I'm not saying he's Freddie Kitchens or Pat Schumer or something, but a guy that makes the playoffs a lot, for a guy with his resume, you would say his resume

looks a little different than he actually is as a coach. And obviously the Packers, and I was like, he benefited a lot from number 12. But, yeah, I mean, the only thing that gives me reservation on the Eagles is the quarterback, because can he throw the ball better?

They won a lot of games last year because the division down the stretch. Beat up on Washington, beat up on New York. And I think got the Cowboys when the Cowboys mailed in that game. If Jalen can get 15% better as a passer, then I would feel very good about that bet. But I can see both teams being right around 10 games. When you were a scout,

how much importance did you put on an emotional IQ character versus skill? What were some character traits you look for in say quarterbacks, wide receivers, linebackers, edge rushers? Well, I think when I worked in pro personnel, meaning evaluating the NFL, you just evaluated the player. Right? Like, I'm just going to use an example. Who was a big free agent that signed this year. Christian Kirk. He's not, I mean, you know what I mean. He got a lot of money. If I was teams that needed a wide receiver and I was looking into Christian Kirk, we evaluated him coming out of college. I think he went to, do you go to Texas A&M? So when he was coming out of college, we have huge write-ups on his personality, on his character. We do a lot of work.

Part of the reason when people are like, well, who do you scout during the draft? You scout everyone. Because eventually the majority of players, like the majority of players aren't Aaron Donald. They're going to play 14 years on one team or Peyton Manning or whatever. And even Peyton Manning became a free agent. But most players become available. Change teams relatively quickly. It's why you do your work. So you have the character stuff and things change. I mean, once the guy get in the league, you can call coaches and you're doing extra work. But you're evaluating the player. Will this guy fit our scheme? Do we need this guy? Does this talent? When you're in college, and I only truly did college for one year,

but all three years, the thing you constantly talk about with your college scouts, it's probably when I'm just on the phone as a fellow scout is like about the guy as much as the player, and then the meetings, you spend so much time on the person,

on the character, on the IQ, and obviously a quarterback, to me it's everything. It's just, it's part of the package. Edge rusher, I'm sorry, it doesn't matter as much.

There are only so many guys that are 6-4, 250 pounds that can bend the edge. Or 320 pounds that can hold the double team. Same thing with wide receivers. We've had a lot of questionable characters that can score touchdowns. So I would say like offensive linemen, obviously middle linebackers, you have to have the ability to like understand football. And there's also a difference of, and this is one thing I learned in the NFL, is how well are you doing school? Like let's say I'm evaluating a UCLA linebacker. And it's like, you know, he's barely eligible every year.

Well, how's his football knowledge? Well, he's great. I tell the assistant coach goes, I give him a new, I give him a new install, I give him a new call, I give him a new scheme, I give him a new idea, picks it up in one rep. Football genius. It took Jason Kidd five times to hit the minimum SAT score to get into Cal Berkeley. I think at the time was like 800 because the basketball. football team get you in. He's academically, nothing. He's one of the smartest basketball players ever.

Ultimately, we're in the business of playing football and winning on the football field. So you have to, like, how you learn football, like how Ray Lewis did in class, who cares? Dude's a football savant. Luke Keekely. And some of these guys might have done well in school. But all that matters is your football IQ. Now, where you can get away with it is like, you'll talk to a coach, be like, you know, this guy's. And when they say dumb, like football dumb, like it's hard for him to get stuff, he forget stuff, but he's so talented

that we make room for him. And that's an area where if you're not good enough, it's why these guys right now once training camp starts. If I'm a fringe guy, right, I'm a six, seventh round pick, I'm an undrafted free agent,

I'm a practice squad type guy, I don't have the margin for error to not understand everything that's going on. I have to know. So if I am not the smart, guy. Some people just pick up things right away. Like me personally, if it's something that doesn't come naturally to me,

I probably have to read three or four times. And then once I get it, I feel comfortable with it. So you better make sure you know it. So I think quarterback has just held in a completely different standard. And then probably places like middle linebacker and safety, your intelligence matters. Most position and center. But like right tackle, if you can block

the edge, like you're good. You know, if a wide receiver, if you can catch and get open, you're good. you know. Why doesn't Live go after other international sports? Buy the best soccer footballers and create a new champions league. Money initiates all changes, right? Or how about start the World Cup equivalent that pays the players to play for charities

and then they have a draft? Six teams, 100 best players pay them a fuck ton. Well, Live, which is owned by the Saudis, don't they own Man City? the Saudis aren't they deep into F1? They already own huge parts of that. The only way the Saudis could get their hands on golf was doing this because the PGA Tour was not going to let them in. So this was their only in.

And then Greg Norman had the vendetta. So the reason, like, why would they do it in soccer? They just literally buy teams. They have ownership stake in the teams. You know, the F1, I'm not an F1 guy. I just know they're connected. Do they own a team or do they finance some of the races? I know they race in Saudi Arabia.

I think it's more they just wanted it in the sport. They would have gladly given the PGA tour like a billion dollars to be partners. The PGA tour never would have done that like F1 and obviously soccer. Obviously soccer is different. But they wanted it in. And this was their only avenue. So I think that's why they don't do it. Big fan from Vancouver.

So I was on some vitamins, which are now legal here. Is that what all the kids are saying? I see Pat Back if he keeps saying he's taking vitamins, which means he's taking some weed. Stay off the weed. Why are we calling it vitamins? Why don't we just call it marijuana, weed? This isn't, it's not crack.

I mean, it's legal. Was thinking about Trey Land's situation and how it changed the league. Isn't that funny? You get on those vitamins or the weed. And you just, sometimes you gravitate toward like, would Tiger Woods win seven tournaments this year? Could Patrick Mahomes play in 1978?

You know, who would win one-on-one, Steph Curry or Michael Jordan? Like, it's crazy where your head goes. You could argue you don't even need the vitamins for that to happen. They invested so much capital in getting to him. He's unproven the past few seasons. Many elite quarterbacks have switched teams. Do you think that after this situation, the teams would rather trade for a proven NFL quarterback

or prey on the talent of a top college quarterback? It's totally killing the 49er Super Bowl window, considering the proven quarterbacks they could have gotten. I think if you are sitting there with cocktails, several, Kyle Shanahan would tell you, if he could have a redo,

if he could have a do-over, he knew what they knew now. As of today, what they would have done is they would have not traded for a quarterback. They would have played last season with Jimmy Garabolo. They would have drafted Michael Parsons or something at 12. and they would have traded this offseason for Matt Ryan.

That's what they would have done. But at the time, you don't know that. And for the most part, there have been a lot of quarterback movement in the last couple years. That's not normal. And most people, like, the only really sweet one in theory

that got traded was Russell Wilson. Wentz, Matt Ryan. It's not like Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, these guys are on the move. So really, if you draft the right quarterback, you strike oil. Because if he just becomes a top 12 guy, you have him under contract,

he's your team, and you get to indoctrinate him, onboard him, as the corporate people of the world, say, into what you do. Now, in two years, Trey Lance may be the best thing that ever happened to Kyle.

And part of drafting a guy really high, there's an, I always, there's inherent risk in everything. There's inherent, more risk driving down the freeway, you know, Think about like, I might, I might go to Chipotle tonight for dinner. Let's say I go to Chipotle.

It's happened to me one time, and I love Chipotle. I got really sick. It's pretty crazy how much as society we take for granted. Everywhere you go to eat, you're just going to eat and you're going to be completely fine. Never going to get sick. The percentage of people to get food poisoning when they eat out is probably minuscule. We take it for granted. We don't even think about it.

Until the one time it happens. And you're on your death bed and you're like, is this what death feels like? Because honestly, last time I got food poisoning, I remember curled up in a ball thinking I've never been this close to death I swore to God I vividly I don't quite remember

the feeling in my body I just remember it being so bad that crossed my head like is this what kind of dying feels like and it was the worst 48 hours in my life I've never been sicker than that food poisoning

and I'm pretty sure it was from Chipotle now granted I've probably been there 50 times since they've bounced back and the price points are good and, you know, I can eat, quote-unquote, semi-healthy dinner. But you're taking risk. And I think it was worth the risk. He's a huge unknown.

Small school guy didn't get to play basically his redshirt sophomore season because the season was canceled because of his division. Yeah, I mean, but you don't know any of that. It's so much easier to be like, well, if I knew my financial advisor was going to rob me, I never would have let him manage my money. if I knew she was going to divorce me because she didn't like the way I looked when I was 47, I never would have married her in the first place.

It's so easy to look back once you know the outcome. But that's not the way life works. You have no clue. It's the best part about life. It's what makes successes so much fun. You're like, God, I wanted to be here, but I never knew how I was going to feel getting here. And honestly, what makes failing,

Failing's never fun, but once you get removed from failing, you look back in the experience of everything. But the only way to get somewhere is going through it. And Mahomes, like, if everyone knew Patrick Mahomes is going to be Patrick Mahomes,

he would have got number one overall. Would have got number one overall. Fuck, the 49ers would have taken him. The Bears would have taken him. He never would have sniff to the chiefs. But you don't know that. So, Trey Lance, a lot of people were asking him, like, what do you think?

I have no clue. Honestly, I've been to practices. I don't think you can glean that much of practice. I can go to practice and be like, George Kittle looks good. Because I know how George looks when he's good in games. So when I see him out there running around, I'm like, God, he looks sweet.

Trent Williams, monster. Fred Warner, awesome. But when the rookie, like, is this guy getting to be sweet? Like, I liked him in college, who knows? Now, we've seen a little of Trey, but it's so much harder with the quarterbacks because I can't get sacked in practice.

Incomplete. It's hard to even tell. So we just, only time's going to tell. Got a question. I'm feeding for some three and out. Where's it at? It's back. The USFL was a very hard watch for me this year,

but I'm a much, but I'm such a lover of football that I'm not willing to give up on it. Don't you think it'd get a lot more engagement if the teams were linked with a pro team, like baseball, for instance? Send practice squad players in players that get cut over there. Then at least they'd be interested

and there'd be some teams roster construction. In theory, this makes a lot of sense. And I agree with you. But think about this. If you and I owned, we were sports agents, and let's say we had 10 guys in the NFL on practice squads last year, guys that were drafted, fifth, sixth, seventh round picks, that were on practice squads.

You would say going into their second year, you would go, hey, man, stay focused, make sure you know the playbook, stay in best shape, you could make the team. You're one injury away from being the starter. Well, you could improve in the USFL for sure, but you could also get injured. What if you break your leg?

And then you're not available for the, I'm pretty sure the USFL pays like 50 grand. NFL minimum salary is like 800. So if I was an agent when I want that, let's say at a backup quarterback that I drafted, let's just pick a guy, Kyle Trask. And I don't know if the bucks like him or not. it around. And I'm like, you know, I don't know if he's ever going to be the starter,

but he could be our backup for a long time. And let's say Tampa was affiliated with the Tampa, whatever, their team was in the USFL. I don't even know if Tampa has a team in the USFL. Like, let's send Kyle Trass down there. What if he tears ACL? What if he shatters his hand on a helmet? Why would you want to do that? You're the one, you've already paid them. You've invested in them. So it's, I hear you. I think it would be awesome if you're like, God, all these guys that were just drafted that are on teams we're in the league with you. I don't know if it makes sense

for the agent, for the player. You could probably convince some coaches in GMs. It'd be worth the risk. You're like, whatever, we'll just find the next guy. But I think from the player side, if you are on a team,

it doesn't make sense. If you're a guy without a job, no doubt about it, you play in the league. I think it's tough. You know, in basketball, you're just so less likely to get hurt. So playing in the G league, sending guys up and down,

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