The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Belichick Bounce Back; Free Agency Cash; QB Market Impact; Brees' SNF Future; FA Day 1 Wrap Up

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

In this episode, John dives into the free agency frenzy by looking at Bill Belichick aggressive start to free agency, why the NFL needs the Bill to be relevant, what this year's free agency spending says about next year's cap, why the veteran QB market will have more impact on the season than free agency signings. He also looks at why Drew Brees is a lock to head to the SNF booth, breaks down the biggest moves from Day 1 of NFL free agency, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on? How we doing everybody? Three in our podcast. We've got a little cop. A lot going on. Let's just dive right into it all. some thoughts on Belichick, some thoughts on just free agency in general and how the league clearly does not have an economic issue.

Quarterbacks, none of them as of recording this, the Russell Wilson, Deshawn, Sam Darnold, Jimmy Garoppelow, none of these guys have moved yet. By the time you're listening, maybe we got a blockbuster. But the moment one of those guys changed teams, that'll immediately trump every move that was made on Monday or Tuesday a free agency. I'll go through a couple of the moves that really stood out to me. I'll probably do a bigger version of that come later this week.

We'll just attack everything. I'll give my opinion on the majority of things. But everything's so fluid and moving so fast right now that it's just, it's hard to keep up. It was pretty crazy. Let's just be honest. It was nuts. I didn't expect it to be this fast and furious.

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I'm going to do a Middilkoff mailbag. I'll do a big one on Friday. So shoot me your Instagram questions. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle. And we'll go from there. So today I'm just talking football, talking a little ball, talking transactions. And we'll just dive in and have a good time.

Let's dive into Belichick. and I would say the biggest thing that's changed from me over the past decade since when I first got it in the league to where I'm at now is looking at football much differently and if you've listened to this podcast you know it's a very business money heavy sports podcast we talk a lot about the business angles of everything

because the one thing I've learned is that's all that matters when it comes to this stuff obviously you want your teams to win team to sign good players you want good coaches that all matters. But the reason this stuff exists is because of television, because of the money they can make

and the growing business aspects of sport. Right? And the sport of football, which is the biggest in our country. It's the reason that this goes on, the National Football League, to get games, to throw them on television,

now potentially on Amazon for Thursday night, and make huge cash. It is a television show. That is what the NFL is. It's a 365 a year television show. And this week is a huge part of the television show. Even though nothing is actually happening on television, right? Beside tweets of Schefter and Rap Sheet, this guy signed, this guy signed.

There's no games, no workouts. There's nothing actually taking place beside a guy going to a different team for a lot of money. The television show truly takes place 16, now 17 weeks a year and the playoffs. and because of the amount of people that watch the NFL right now, it's the number one television show in America. Football. College football is massive too. It's a huge television show.

We talk about the coaches, talk about the players, talking about who's doing well, who's doing shitty. We love it. Obviously, I do this. I talk about it for a living. But the key to have a great entertainment product, whether it's a television show, whether it's a movie, something you cannot do without is having a great villain.

And when I think about some of my favorite movies, My dad loved a few good men. I love that movie, too. It's a fantastic movie. The first thing you think about, when you think about a few good men, is not Tom Cruise. Is not Demi Moore. It is Jack. You can't handle the truth.

He was an elite villain in that movie. It doesn't get any better. Say one of the bigger movies, the last couple decades, The Dark Night, Heath Ledger became a cultural icon for his performance in that movie. He was the bad guy. He was the villain. Like, part of having a great movie is having good villains. You want someone to root for and you want someone to root against.

Think about other sports. Who's the Big Bad Wolf and the villain in baseball? It's the New York Yankees. College basketball forever. It was Duke. It is very, very important to not just have someone to root for, but someone to root against. And for a long period, really the last 20 years, Brady and Belichick were the NFL villains. Right? They won all the Super Bowls.

They were winning all these divisions. They were kicking everyone's ass. If you're a Steeler fan, if you're a Colts fan, if you're a Miami Dolphins fan, if you're a Jets fan, if you're a Chiefs fan, whoever fan of the team you are listening to this, you know, if you are over like 30 years old, you have watched Belichick and Brady show up

either in Foxborough or at your home field and kick your ass. It's happened to everybody. And then, factoring all the scandals, they became the most polarizing brand in the league. I know quote unquote the Cowboys were the biggest brand in the league. Yeah, from a financial standpoint, but from an important standpoint of the league's growth, it was the Patriots.

Because a lot of people hated them. And as someone told me a long time ago, if you're going to work in radio, television, whatever, you'd never want to be indifferent. Either want to be hated or you want to be loved. Because both those two things evoke emotion. Like with a significant other, the moment she stops caring about you,

you're fucked. Apathy, not good for relationships or for sports. And last year it felt a little with the Patriots. Like, they didn't matter that much. And the thing is, looking back, like, is Tom really a villain? He's good looking. He's likable. All of his teammates like him.

Really, most guys in the league respect them. I don't really think he was the villain. He just happened to be there. The villain was Belichick. He's cold, no emotion, says nothing in press conferences, hates all these other coaches, has relationships with guys that worked under him that got fragmented like Eric Mangini. He's the ultimate villain. But it's hard to be a villain in sports when your team sucks.

And the weird part about last year for the Patriots, they actually didn't really suck. They went 7 and 9 with led the league in opt-outs, with a quarterback who couldn't really throw, and they still win 7 to 9. Do you know what the league needs is for the Patriots to be relevant, for the Patriots to be in the playoff mix. So when I look at social media and all these people, one thing I don't understand,

if I ran ESPN or I ran any of these Fox, I would not allow my newsbreaker to break the news over Twitter. I get why you were doing that five or six years ago, but it's 2021. No revenue was done on Twitter. 80% of American adults are not on Twitter. It feels big, and listen, I'm on Twitter,

so it feels big when you see whoever Schefter tweet. And I like Schefter, but if I was his boss and I ran ESPN, I would say we're not breaking any more news on Twitter. It's kind of an antiquated way of thinking. I'd break it on YouTube, I'd break it on the network, I'd break it on the website, anywhere else that we own, not on a platform that one guy's getting rich and his name's Jack. Like, again, I understand why it used to happen.

that way, but in 2021, it doesn't really pencil. Sorry to get off on the tangent. I just don't understand why we continue to break news on a vehicle. You know, I mean, it doesn't matter to me, but for these companies that do it, they don't make any money off that. It doesn't make any sense. But sorry, back to Belichick. Today, he splurged. Johnny Smith, who, I'd be honest, I mean, he's a very talented player, hasn't been that productive. They paid him a lot of money. A lot is for his projection. He's young, 25 years old. I saw someone say that it's the most amount of money he's ever spent on a pass catcher. Matt Judon, who is not some true outside pass rusher,

a very versatile defensive lineman, fits the Patriots. Jalen Mills, a versatile defensive back fits the Patriots. They still need a quarterback, and I still think, as of recording this right now, my spidey senses think somehow over the next couple months, maybe this week, Jimmy Garoppolo ends up on their team. We will see. But here's what I do know. If the Patriots are good, and I don't mean like, you know, 13, 14 win good.

If they're just 9 or 10 win good, the NFL's better off. Because Belichick being relevant, Belichick, people root against Belichick, which like I said, in movies, you need a villain. In sports, you need a villain. And look around the NFL right now. Who's the villain? Everyone loves Mahomes. People like Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay.

But most of these teams like the Rams, you don't think people hate Sean vague? No. Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur. We don't have one. Now, luckily, the NFL so popular, it doesn't matter, but you like having that character in a movie. And I think Belichick, if he can get this team back on track, they got all these opt-out guys coming back in, they signed all these guys, they were devoid of some talent, they have a bunch of draft picks, if they can just get a functional quarterback, it will be refreshing to have Belichick back in the mix. Because let's face it, last year, after the first couple weeks, they just were not.

And you can say the Patriots got caught with their pants down or whatever when Tom left, and they thought Stidham was going to be the quarterback. Then they handed Cam the contract, $1 million. It was just a disastrous season. The opt-outs, coronavirus, it backfired for the Patriots. But I actually think $5 million for Cam Newton, good backup money. He doesn't have to be the starter. I can't believe they resign Cam.

I can't. You can't? I mean, Marcus Marriota was a backup last year, made $7.5 million. Cam makes five. And unlike Marieto, you can bring in Cam in short yard situations. He can get you, you know, he can score touchdowns with his legs. Actually, I think he's a fantastic backup. Especially if you think he can be a little healthier this year

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So I will probably go through individual transactions and break them down, maybe the Friday podcast. It'll make more sense. Everything will be in stone. We've got a lot of moving parts right now. It should be difficult. But one thing's very clear with all these transactions. transactions is when Corona hit, right, basically a year ago today, give or take, right, in the

middle of March. And the NCAA tournament was canceled. The NBA was can't, everything stopped. There was a lot of talk, even going into the summer, how the NFL was going to pull it off. They obviously canceled OTAs and offseason activity. They were able to do free agency in the draft. There was a lot of unknown. And then they powered through it, rocky at times, but they did it.

Paid a ton of money for testing, much smoother than a lot. I'd say the other two sports, right? Basketball has been in shambles. Games canceled left and right. The NFL did not cancel one game. Now, they had to push games back, but zero cancellations. Now, all the sports are different, NFL more players, the setup of the games are different. I'm not trying to say one did it better than the other.

I just think the NFL is less beholden. And same with baseball. The thing with baseball last year, they never pretended to care about the virus. Not that they didn't care about the virus, but the reason that they didn't care about the virus, but the reason that they were having so many issues between the players and ownership was strictly money. It was all about money. The NFL was just more worried on functioning with the amount of players and the setup, how they could pull it off, and they figured it out.

Basketball clearly much more worried about the optics, and that's a whole other conversation. But baseball, strictly cash, football, cash, and complications with just the practice schedule of the sport, everyone so close together, but they pulled it off. Now, the majority of teams, not allowed to have fans, all these teams had to refund suites, seats, you name it, right? So money that they would have made, they just didn't get. They didn't, quote, unquote, to me, lose money. They just didn't make the money that they would have made.

But they still made money because the TV deals are so big. And one thing's pretty clear, and I read this a couple days ago, still kind of unknown, but it's pretty clear that next year, the South, salary cap could jump up dramatically. From 183, I think it is this year, 185, it could fire up the 220, 225. And whether, you know, that's in writing, whether people say that,

it's clear teams are spending, like that's going to happen. Teams are spending today like the cash is going to start flowing. Because this fall, the stadiums are going to be full. that's just pretty clear. I mean, hell, I think baseball is poised to have a huge summer.

People are going to be dying to go outside, get outside, sit in the sun, drink a beer. I think baseball is really going to benefit. People are just going to want to get out of their homes and do things. And I'm sure many of you listening to, like, half the states in America are like, Middlecop, what are you talking about? We're out of our homes. True. I mean, in California, we can't attend a game yet.

but it's coming, even in my state, which is by far the last one to open fucking anything, but it's inevitable. And football is so far away, the cash is really going to flow. And these teams today spent the money, allocated the resources, like not much happened.

Typically, I've never gone bankrupt, I've never lost all my money. I mean, I've been fired before. And so, yeah, I didn't have necessarily the same money coming in that I did. Sometimes it can take you six months a year, two years to kind of get back on your feet. I know people have gone bankrupt and gone on to make millions after, right? But that's the first couple years. It can take a while.

I mean, your business goes under? Like, you don't just six months later, like, oh, everything's good. Money's flowing again. That's not usually how it works. But the NFL was lucky that their league was situated because it was the least dependent. Obviously, baseball was the most dependent on attendance. It's the nature of the sport, right? They're very attendance-based

a revenue model. Basketball is much more than the NFL too. The NFL's lucky. The majority of their revenue for their sport comes from the media rights deal. So as long as the games got on, and as we know, they didn't miss a game. Some got pushed back, didn't miss any.

They made a bunch of cash. So they have a bunch of cash on hand. Plus the last like nine years have been the greatest economic boom in the history of the league. So even the poor teams that didn't make much from their stadium had extra cash.

the rich teams like the Jerry Jones of the world can give back Prescott $75 million in the first year of a deal and not even blink twice, teams like the Packers have no issue paying a running back. And really quick on the Aaron Jones deal, I don't have a big problem with. They can give them that much money. And here's the problem with football contracts that it's hard to discern what is that real money and what is not. I say it all the time in the other sports. It's very easy when a basketball player signs or a baseball player signs. We know if his contract's $120 million, it's $120,000. $20 million contract. If it's a $47 million contract, it's a $47 million contract.

But when I see Aaron Jones signs four years for 48, what the fuck does that mean? He got a $13 million signing bonus. So is that, I mean, basically a one-year contract? Because most NFL deals, even at most, are like a two-year deal, beside the quarterbacks. And as you saw today, a lot of money just kind of gets front-loaded in the bonus. They use the multiple years to amortize the cash over the life of the deal. so they can mess with the cap numbers.

But most of these contracts being signed today that are four and five-year deals aren't really five-year deals. The majority of these players aren't going to play five years for that given team. We know it. If it goes well, maybe they'll play three. If it goes poorly, probably two. We see it all the time. But all these teams, the Chiefs Pay and Thune, you know, the Patriots buying all these guys. The Raiders buying Yonnik and Dockway.

The Rams buying, you know, paying Leonard Floyd to stay. All these guys getting huge cash, these owners know the cash isn't stopping. And we really weren't in that big of a pinch. We just had to take a little bit of a hit for six months, just refund suites, which we're going to get the money right back when they start coming this fall. And obviously the new television deal is doubling. So next year, the money. he's going to flow. Because the thing that I've noticed, watching all these free agency deals,

if you would have told me Corona never existed and you just took John Middilcoff from 2019 and you just plopped him on his desk chair right now to record a podcast and you gave me five hours a day, I never knew Corona existed. And I was just scrolling through all the transactions. I would say, damn, it just looks like a normal free agent year. You wouldn't know anything is different. All year long, I, or I mean all January and February I heard, you know, the top guys are going to get money, but everyone else is screwed. Feels like everyone's signing for cash. Everyone's getting paid.

There are multi-year contracts for a lot of players. The doom and gloom, which is natural when you're in weird economic times. But you know who doesn't, not really affected by weird economic times? The super rich. They are unaffected. They're buying everything. I see it right now in California. The middle class got destroyed.

during Corona. We have more poor people in California than any other state. We lead the country and people under the poverty line. Yet our richest people in the state have never had more money. The suburbs right now are booming. They're up like 20, 30 percent in the Bay Area in Southern California. It's insane the real estate market here. It is a great place for super rich people. Because even during the shitty last 12 years, they made a ton of money. That's kind of like the NFL. Like, it was an awful year for a lot of people, except like the internet business and the NFL. And maybe

some other, and obviously there's a couple other industries. But for the most part, most of us, you know, we're fighting for our economic lives. The NFL is like, yeah, we're going to have a rough free agency. And then we all, you know, check our social media accounts. We're like, sure feels like the money's flowing and people

are just jumping into the, you know, the tube of coins like Donald Duck. That's what's happening here. I just, he's been paid. He's been paid, he's been paid, he's been paid. It's eye-opening. But when you take a step back and think about it, it's not really. They had an unlimited amount of money for the last nine years. They made a little bit less this year.

But then they just signed a contract that doubled their biggest revenue source. So you think any of these owners, especially the top, you know, half of them are worried about money or worried about cash? Because it's clear they're not. Now, the one thing that I think a lot of fans overreacted, is, you know, is that I think a lot of fans overreacted, and it happens every year, it happens with every NFL contract. It's like, I can't believe they signed this guy

for three years and $30 million. Until we have the details of every contract, the legitimate details, we don't know what any of these numbers mean. So I never overreact the numbers. Like, oh my God, the chiefs gave $30 million.

I bet when we see it, it looks like a two-year contract. Right? Oh my God, they gave this guy, Nelson Aguilar, $26 million, and it turns out they actually gave him $6 million. Because who's pushing out the contract numbers?

It's not the general manager. It's not the team's contract negotiator. It's the agent. It's why the number you always see, and a guy that runs a team told me this a while ago, I always want the agent to put up the number because I want the player to be happy. I don't want the contract a four-year deal worth $40 million to come out.

Well, it's actually only really $6 million. You know why? Because all of us would then make fun of that guy. Teams love it when it comes out. Four years, $40 million. You nailed it. Woo-hoo! Turns out, yeah, you know,

he actually doesn't have true guarantees of over $10 million. The team doesn't want that out. And the agent will gladly give out the fake cash. It's very fraudulent's probably the wrong word. It's just, it's very hollow a lot of the numbers you read. And it's why, if you notice, The teams never argue, like, no, we're actually not giving them that much. They don't care.

They're laughing all the way to the bank because they know that they can get rid of a player. They know the contract is not binding for four or five years. Most of these deals are one and two-year contracts. And we see it year and year out. But it's hard not to overreact when Adam Schefter tweets, Joe Thuny, five for 80. Like, damn, they gave him $16 million a year. And it turns out, that's basically a two-year contract.

But it's human reaction. I'm just glad that the NFL, you know, they treated this free agency like it was just any other normal year because it's pretty wild. It'd be one thing if just the Cowboys had the money, but it feels like the majority of teams in the NFL, if they want to, if they have the cap space, can spend on whoever they want. The Patriots, think how long they've been saving money.

They've had cash in the bank for two decades. And now it's like, pay you, pay you, pay you, pay you, pay you. For as fun as today was, and don't get me wrong, it was very entertaining. I enjoy all these transactions. I like talking about them. I sure many of you like talking about them. Like reading about them. It's entertainment.

It's great entertainment, actually. It's awesome. Glad today happened. Because if it didn't, I don't know what the hell I would have talked to you guys about. So thank you NFL for having free agency. Here's the thing. History would show us that this week doesn't make or break teams. it just doesn't.

Why? It's a quarterback leak. You win, you go as far as the guy playing quarterback, right? A restaurant's only as good as his food. Hell, a podcast is only as good as his host. An NFL team is only as good as really, it's coach and his quarterback. And I think the craziest part about this free agency

is we still have a lot of quarterback questions. Is Sam Darnold going to be going to stay on the Jets or is he going to get traded? As I was recording this, I just saw James Winston went back to the Saints. So I think it's fair to say that the Saints are going to roll with James Winston this year. Maybe they draft a guy, but James Winston's going to be their quarterback. What happens with Sam Darnold? Are the Dolphins going to roll with Tua Tonga Viloa?

I mean, the Dolphins won 10 games last year. That's a pretty big question. Do they roll with Tua and he's not as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick was last year and they take a step back and the Patriots pass him? It's got to be on the table. How about this? One of the best players in the NFL. A Hall of Fame quarterback, which we've talked a lot about on the show,

has recently caused a stink. Is Russell Wilson going to get traded from Seattle? I mean, I'm not necessarily expecting it, but I'm not, I don't have it in the back of my head like it's not going to happen. Because if he does move, that changes the landscape of the NFL. Who would they trade him to? I know there were reports.

The Bears are ready to go all in. With what? If Seattle's going to trade them, they have to trade them to a team with the quarterback. We've talked about this. But do they actually pull the trigger? Does he end up on the Raiders? Do the Raiders end up with Derek Carr? What about Deshawn Watson?

Is he going to move teams? Because if Deshawn Watson and Russell Wilson, and even Sam Darnel or two are on different teams, that has huge ramifications. Then who's drafting these rookies? A couple of these rookies could end up on good teams? Who knows? That is going to determine this fall. Because the other thing about this fall is there is an extra game.

We were playing 17 games. So the War of Attrition, a lot of these guys signing contracts are going to get hurt. You're only as good as your quarterback. Now more than ever, you're going to need good quarterback seasons. You always do, but that extra game, I mean, the Packer, the teams with good quarterbacks are going to win 12 to 14 games. That's how the lead works. And, I mean, as of recording this, I was nervous to do this podcast because by the time you're listening it, maybe it's like, boom, Sam Darnold has been traded. Boom.

Jimmy Garoppel has been traded. boom, the bombshell of, I mean, if Russell Wilson got traded, that'd be one of the biggest trades in NFL history. I'm not even talking about the compensation. I'm just saying, if Russell Wilson were to get traded this week or before the draft, that would easily, I have to do a research project on this, probably be like a top two or three trade ever.

Because if you just factor in how many Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded in their prime, it would probably be a small list. And I'm not talking about like Steve Young when he got traded wasn't viewed as that great. I'm talking about a guy that is elite that gets traded, who's in his early 30s, in a league now where you can easily play to 40. That would be pretty nuts.

So today was awesome. I expect the next couple days to be cool, a lot of movement, but the league and the landscape of the hierarchy of teams is determined by your quarterback. And so far, no quarterbacks have changed teams. Bree's retired. I'll get into that in a minute. Obviously, they just kept James, so nothing really changed there.

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But Russell Wilson is one of the great curve balls in the history of the offseason. Because it's not like, you know, remember when Aaron Rogers got traded at 32? Remember when, you know, just go through some of the elite guys that never happened. It's never even a conversation. So that's just something I'm kind of keeping an eye on because if that were to happen, I would suck for Seattle fans. Can you imagine being a Seattle fan? especially if you were like my age, like 35.

Most of your life, the team sucked. And then even when they were good for a couple years with Holmgren, it was just a well-balanced team. It wasn't, I mean, Hasselback was the quarterback. You finally get this star guy. You have a stud coach. You just have a stud operation. And now eight years in, it feels like it's deteriorating.

If I was a fan, I'd be like, guys, fucking figure it out. Russell, Pete, get in a room. And I've said over and over, the problem why it's going to be hard to figure out is two rich alpha males with no mediator with no one to mediate the conversation right the owner's passed away

it's hard John Snyder can't it's a tough position to be in but I know this if I was a diehard fan a season ticket holder under no circumstance would I be okay with any sort of trade hey guys figure this out Russell Wilson cannot change teams

but I mean it doesn't feel like that he's like dead set on coming back obviously Seattle would have to trade him but who knows Pete's in charge Pete is the boss makes probably 12, 13 million dollars a year can do whatever he wants

if he wants to trade Russell Wilson Russell Wilson will get traded so that's for as like I said today was really cool but if any of these quarterbacks move teams that one move would be as big as every single move that happened today

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that actually doesn't really happen in podcasts, is, you know, if you have a radio show, and I had a show in the Bay Area from 10 to noon for like four years, and I was, I never really took vacation. Because when you take vacation and you have a show, and it happens on television too, someone has to fill in for you. And I was just, the way I was wired,

like, I didn't want someone else doing my job. The only other real job I ever had was an NFL scout. Well, when you, if I take the summer off, like scouts do. No one does your job. That's your job the entire time. But the moment I go on vacation for a month in the summer

when nothing's going on in a radio show, you have a guy filling in for you. And maybe the guy sounds good. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I just know a lot of media people think like this. I don't want to give my show up. I never left, unless you're an established guy like Colin.

Then you don't even think twice about it. But I was very, very paranoid doing that. Why? Because several times while I was doing that show, the morning show would go on vacation and they would move us to the morning. Morning drive. The highest paying radio job.

I mean, it's a dying position now, but forever, when radio was in his heyday, you wanted to be on morning drive. And they'd put us in for a couple weeks. And then they'd come back like, God, your ratings were really good. And I would hear some rumblings like, you know, they've thought about maybe moving you guys to a drive time spot. Obviously, because if you're paying a morning drive guy, 500 grand, I would have gladly at that time taking a lot less money than that.

You know, whatever the money is, right? Cheaper option, who can do the same numbers, if not better. You see it in TV. You're like, you know, a guy, a TV host takes some time off, happens in late night shows, and guys get to fill in. It's an audition, even though it, quote-unquote, is not an audition. everything. I think about it in life. Anytime you get the opportunity to do anything, you're always auditioning. Whether it's not even talking about to get the job, future clients, future business partners,

like people are always paying attention. If you keep that mindset, helps keep you on your toes. And so Drew Brees retired. He went on the Today Show. I had a text from my mom this morning, like 715, like played perfectly to that audience. She's like, wow, Drew Brees going to broadcast. I'm like thinking to myself, yeah, mom, he announced that like a year ago. For the casual fan, they didn't know. And then I saw what he's doing for a job. And he's going to be calling Notre Dame football with Mike Tariko. I'm going to give you a prediction right now.

Within the next 24 months, also known as the next two years, Mike Tarrico and Drew Brees will be the Sunday night football crew on NBC. Because you can't, Mike Tarrico could do Sunday night football. He has. done it. I mean, he's called Monday night football. He could do it tomorrow. He could do it in his sleep. But Drew Breeze needs some reps. For example, Louis Riddick. Before he got the Monday night football job in 2020, he called college football games in 2019. Al Michaels is getting up there in age. He's closer to 80 than he is 70. Chris Collinsworth, who is good. I got no issue with Chris

Collinsworth is 62. Hasn't played a meaningful down in the NFL since I was a kid. I'm a 36-year-old ball guy. Those guys are on borrowed time. Now it's tough. I think they're going to, Al would have to kind of retire, but it's clear what's going to happen. Drew's going to get a year, maybe two doing Notre Dame football, and they're moving those two guys to Sunday night football. That feels like to me the biggest lock going and collinsworth i'm sure is not he's a smart guy realizes what's coming al has been doing hell he called you know the uh the USA hockey game in 1980 so it's not like al gets it he's old retire hang out in l a and chill but it's clear what they're doing they are grooming a big name now maybe there's a chance that drew stinks because i don't know

if he's a lock to be good like i think philip rivers would be excellent at tv He just has a huge personality. He's just very, very aggressive with his words. He doesn't swear, so he doesn't even need to, like, overthinking. He can just talk. I don't think Drew necessarily does either, but I just wonder, and it will be interesting,

like, what Drew sounds like on television. I don't view Drew Breeze as a made-for-TV guy. And Drew is, I mean, Drew's very impressive individual, obviously. He's not just a Hall of Fame player. He's a Hall of Fame person. But this is hard. Like, just get in front of Mike, giving your takes and rapid fire.

I've never called a college football game or an NFL game, but it's clear the good ones and the bad ones, like it's not an easy position to be in. You have to give quick, you know, takes on the action that just happened in a smart, comprehensive, you know, angle that is digestible for the average fan. The broadcast are not for the die-hearts,

are not for the guys that want to dive into the X's and O's of the deep All-22 film. But you have to be able to talk about that at like an elementary level. It's just difficult. There aren't many good ones, right? It's an entertainment position. When I think about the best analysts of my lifetime, it was Madden and Gruden. And they were very surface-level guys. But what were they? Huge personalities. Just huge alphas in the booth.

You just felt their presence when you were watching a game they were calling. And like, Troy is good, but he's just kind of smooth. He's just, I would just call Troy Ackman a pro. Right? Like, to me, Gruden and Madden were rock stars. And I'd say Collinsworth is a pro. So you could argue NBC is not looking for a quote unquote rock star. Drew Brees, by name, rock star.

Huge name. Very, very famous. Will he be good enough to do? this? I don't know. But anyone that knows anything about this business, it's clear where they're going. And if he's good, if you watch Notre Dame games this year and you just, Torrico and Breez feel like Nance and Romo that first year,

Romo was unique, right? He just immediately got the A chair, never even had to, basically never even had to audition. Maybe he had to do like an audition tape. I don't even think. I mean, he just hit the ground running. It was on. Drew at least, I mean, has to call some games to earn his quote-unquote stripes with the company organization slash the league. But the league wants a big name star on Sunday night football. And Collinsworth, again, is really good. But he's 62 years old. The average person under 40 couldn't tell you what team he played for.

They want a big name. That's why Romo such as easy transition. Hell, even Troy Aikman, like everyone knows where Troy Aikman played in what position. quarterbacks move the needle. Now you've got to be good, right? The NBA is full of really famous broadcasters, you know, analysts who are terrible. Chris Weber from Sacramento,

he was just, he's one of the most overrated players of all time. He's terrible on TV. Reggie Miller, also bad. Like, they use former players. There's not any good. But it's hard. I mean, it's a tough position to be in. I think about baseball.

Baseball's hit or miss. Some are a lot better than others. Football. I think it's fair to say the majority of them. And again, maybe I'm too hard on these guys. Maybe I'm negative. I think most of them suck. I think most broadcasts that I watch are awful.

I mean, they really are. And like I said, I don't think it's an easy thing to do. I don't think the majority of people could do it smoothly. But I think the way that it's set up, it's very difficult for guys to succeed, a small amount succeed. Now, you could argue most things in life, a small percentage of people actually have success.

so that's the way in any high-level industry or profession. But if Drew is just like a 7 or 8 out of 10, it might be a year, and then he's in the NBC booth. So you heard here first prediction. Drew Breeze, Mike Torrico, Sunday night football the next couple years. Okay, I said I wasn't going to do it, but, you know, I saw a couple things and I got excited and I want to talk about them. Some transactions, some specific moves.

And listen, free agency is about filling needs. The draft is about picking great players, right? The draft is BPA. Take the best player available, especially early in the first and second round. Don't force needs. Take the best players on your board. Develop them, hopefully they become stars.

Or just really good starters on your team. Free agency is about plugging holes. You need a wide receiver. Go buy a wide receiver. But don't just buy any wide receiver. Pick the scheme fit. You know what offense you run. You evaluate all these guys

in the NFL and you watch what they do well and you pick the guy that fits and you go this is what we want he does that well boom plug and play same with linemen defensive line linebackers whatever the draft is about projecting how is this going to work how can we develop them you're not developing bud dupre or yannick and daqway or nelson aguilar like they're ready to play right now and they have strengths and weaknesses and the best evaluators and the best teams sign the guys, their weaknesses, they're not going to ask them to do. And their strengths are going to be what hopefully the coaching staff asked that guy to excel with, right? What he does well. That's what I'm going to ask you to do. What you don't do well, we're not going to waste time on that.

That's what free agency is. Plugging holes on your team. Okay. I mean, a move that just had to happen. We talked about this guy last week, John Gruden. Their defense is atrocious. It's slow. They generate no pressure. So they signed Yonik and Dockway to actually a very team friendly deal. Two years $26 million. They gave him $22 million guaranteed. As a buddy

in the league told me, he's basically a healthy D. Ford. He's a speed pass rusher. Mike Mayock, someone ripped when the draft was going on, however many years ago in 2016 when Yonick was drafted, called him a DPR.

Known in the NFL is a designated pass rusher, known as you can't play the run. I bring you in on passing downs. D. Ford made the Pro Bowl that way, speed rusher. That's what Yonik does well. Gus Bradley bent around this guy. They should know him. If they ask this guy to play the run, he's going to get rolled.

If they ask him to come in second and third and long and just pin his ears back and chase the quarterback, they got themselves a steal. Because this guy can rush the passer. And they didn't really give him that much money. I like the deal for the Raiders. Now, their defense is still not very good, but that makes sense. The Chargers, have a young star quarterback. What do you need to do with a young star quarterback?

What happens when you don't protect them? They can get scars. They can get derailed. They can not live up to their potential. So what did they do today? They signed Corey Lindley from the Packers. They signed another offensive lineman from the Pittsburgh Steelers, a guy with position versatility,

going heavy on the offensive line. You know why? They got good defensive linemen. They have a good defense. They have a head coach who coaches on the defensive side of the ball. That unit, he was just with the Rams. They were number one in the league. They have good skill guys.

They got Keenan Allen and they got Mike Williams. They need to protect Justin Herbert. So props to them for not being quote unquote too sexy, but just going with good players up front to protect the franchise. Because for many years with Phillip Rivers, their offensive line was terrible, and it hurt their chances. to be a really good team.

I give the Jets credit. They have a long way to go, and they have a lot of draft picks, but they signed two solid starting players today. Carl Lawson of the Cincinnati Bengals, pass rusher, and Corey Davis, wide receiver of the Tennessee Titans.

One thing the Jets really lack, and it was evident when you watched them play last year, they just didn't have many NFL solid starters. These guys are high-end, I wouldn't say high-end, but above average starters. And they need to continue to add impact players, right? You think Bechtin can be an impact player.

Can they land a couple more impact players in this draft? And if they keep Sam Darnold, which, as of recording this, he's still on the team. If you surround them with enough, quote-unquote, impact players, you can be a competitive team. Because it's clear, right? The bills are really good. The Dolphins are solid. The Patriots added half the free agents on the open market today. Like, you've got to be good in this division.

It went from the division sucked for 20 years. It was just Belichick and Brady. Now it feels like the division's a lot deeper. Especially if the Jets, if Saul is good and Joe Douglas is good, the division could be deep. It's weird to say about the NFCs.

We think about it sucking, but who knows? The Tennessee Titans. One thing the Tennessee Titans lacked it last year when you watched them play was their defense was not good. But their pass rush was awful. And a huge part of their DBs often got, people talk shit about their DBs,

like they couldn't cover anybody. When you can't rush the passer, it's hard to cover. So what did they do today? They went out and they got Bud Dupree, who did tear his ACL, which not ideal. But as we've seen in the NFL, guys come back from torn ACLs pretty seamlessly.

And he was a guy who was going to get a ton of money if he was 100% healthy. So I like this move, and I like the move a lot for the Tennessee Titans. They also added DeNico Atri, who's a good, versatile, interior, you can play him at multiple positions.

He's like, he's just a good pass rusher. He's long, he's huge. He's like 6'6. I remember when he played for the Raiders this first couple of years, I really liked him. He's had a really good kind of career renaissance with the Indianapolis Colts.

So a team whose defense wasn't any good, who last year Clowny was a disaster for them, added two really good defensive linemen. Like I said, the key to free agency is to plug holes. Raiders, speed outside rusher. They desperately needed that. Chargers, offensive line. The Jets, just players, good players.

We obviously talked about the Patriots. They had a ton of holes. The Titans. Multiple pass rushers. the Chiefs, what happens? They cut two offensive tackles, they sign an offensive lineman. It's about plugging holes.

That's the key. And a lot of these teams are just doing smart, pragmat, not giving, you know, 80 million, 70, 60 million dollars guaranteed, just signing good players who can help you win. Now, none of these guys that I just mentioned are going to make or break teams. Like we talked about the quarterbacks,

it's going to come down to the execution between your coach and your quarterback. But to win in this league big, you know, double-digit games, to win the playoffs, you have to have a good team. Like, what has been the downfall of the Packers? They just, they haven't been well-rounded enough. Their defense always lets them down, right? Always, this year with the, why did the Chiefs lose in the Super Bowl? The Bucks were just way better.

To win the whole thing, and that is the goal of all these playoff-level teams, the Titans, obviously the Chiefs, but make long runs in the playoffs. You have to have a good team. When you have major holes in the NFL, it gets exposed. The moment, like, that's why these coaches get, like half the league's coaches are making $8 to $10 million a year. If you have a major weakness, that coach will expose that weakness over and over and over all game.

Some of it's out of your control, right? The amount of injuries, we're going to add a game. Who knows how the offseason plays out in terms of training, and OTAs. But depth on your roster is so key because it's inevitable. You're going to lose players. They're going to go on IR.

They might come back. You're going to lose them for a month. Lose this guy. Lose that guy. As long as you don't lose your quarterback, if you build your team the right way, if you're good on the lines, to me, that's the key.

Be good on the offensive and defensive lines. Now, I love linebacker. I love tight end. I love good corner. I like all these positions. But to me, it's so. starts there. Once you have the quarterback offensive and defensive line,

then you got a chance to be really good. And you got a chance just to compete with anybody. It's so cliche, it's like, oh, winning the trenches, well, shit's true. You see the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? They fucking dominated in the trenches. The year before, the 49ers walked to the Super Bowl because they dominated

in the trenches. The Chiefs that year ultimately took down the Niners because they had a pretty good office line. It's about winning up front. It's not. It's never sexy to sign a guard. It's never sexy. One of my biggest quote-unquote misses

as just someone that talks about this stuff was I thought Chris Ballard was an idiot. Idiot would be strong. I thought the value was crazy for drafting Quentin Nelson in the top 10. A guard in the top 10? I was wrong. Because if he's an elite Hall of Famer,

it's always worth taking an offensive lineman in the top 10. You take Hall of Fame offensive linemen number one overall. Guard, center, tackle. I don't care. I'll take elite offensive linemen all day long. It's one thing I've changed my same with defensive linemen. Obviously,

quarterback's the most important position, but there is not another position that holds a candle that any of the offensive or defensive line if the guy's an elite player. Because those guys make such a big difference. And it makes just the whole unit much better. So I love teams to just build in the trenches. Because that's, again, we make fun of these guys,

like, oh, what a cliche thing to say. And then that teams usually will. winning. And the team with no offensive linemen, but a bunch of sexy skill guys go six and ten. That's it. I want you to have a great week. Stay positive. And see you a little bit later this week.

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