The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Belichick's Time to Shine; NFL Stars Making NBA Money; NFL Top 100 and QB Tier List Takes; Headlines; Mailbag

Episode Date: July 31, 2020

In this episode, John explains why he thinks Bill Belichick will shine in 2020 despite the adversity of Brady leaving, COVID, and player opt-outs, and why the days of NBA stars making exponentially mo...re money than NFL players are over. He also gives his biggest takeaways from the NFL players' Top 100 list, Mike Sando's QB tier list, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:33 Go to 1,800flowers.com slash tune in. That's 1,800flowers.com slash tune in. What is up, everybody? John Middellcock, three and out podcast. Back at it again. I appreciate everyone here listening. It's Thursday, kind of late night, actually. I got the Laker game and the baseball game on in the background.
Starting point is 00:03:05 as someone who loves sports. Not going to lie. It doesn't suck. Thank you for coming back in any way possible. No fans, whatever. I'm just grateful to see you on. Also, may have a little cash on Brooks Kepka. He crushed today.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Also may have him in some daily fantasy lineups. Feeling good. I'm feeling good. Football I think is officially kind of back and rolling, at least for a couple teams. Rookies are now in. We're starting to see some videos come out on social media. players around.
Starting point is 00:03:36 I saw Andy Reid and the Kansas City Chiefs because they reported early, remember, because they're kicking off on Thursday night, same with the Texans. Their whole team kind of came together today. We got a lot going on. A lot of these opt-outs specifically hitting New England, have some thoughts on Belichick and, you know, kind of the big question marks that surrounds that. Joey Bosa got paid earlier this week, an astronomical amount of money. and I think there was a long-time narrative about guys in the NFL non-quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:04:10 you know, not making as much as the other big sports. The elite guys now, I think, have kind of shut that up and put that to bed. Then I'll just dive around the league, some stories on just the top 100, the quarterback tier article from Mike Sando, which I love, some other signing, some holdouts. Just, you know, your typical NFL drama. And also college football I guess we've talked a lot about
Starting point is 00:04:37 It won't spend too much time They're all going to conference only We'll get into that Probably in the next couple weeks And then of course the Middilcoff mailbag At John Middlecough My Instagram fly in the DMs We answer your questions here
Starting point is 00:04:48 It's the people's show It's your show And it's how you get on It's how you get on a podcast We don't do phone calls But we do answer Instagram questions You know it's been hard to be like
Starting point is 00:04:59 You know in 2020 Tell us to a guy That hosts a radio show in 2005. I'm going to have way more listeners than you. And it's going to be like this recorded thing that they can listen to on their phone. And I'm not going to have anyone call in,
Starting point is 00:05:12 but I can interact with my people through my phone. They'll all kind of DM me, kind of like a text message. It would be hard for these radio hosts of like 15 years to wrap their head around what we're doing here. But good thing we are. And it's rolling along
Starting point is 00:05:24 and I appreciate everyone listening with, I can't say it enough. So if you like the podcast, go to Three and Out on Apple and iTunes, leave a little review, a little five star if you want, leave a review, subscribe to the pod, and we'll go from there. But let's start with the New England Patriots,
Starting point is 00:05:43 who I think had six players opt out over the last four or five days, and Bill Belichick. And I know for me personally, and I think I would imagine most people listening, Corona sucks. It has been awful. But I've tried to be positive during this time.
Starting point is 00:06:03 And it's just as you grow and mature, you know, you read a couple, you know, inspirational books about the right mindset. And it does help, you know, for as much as people make fun of like, you know, powerful, inspirational self-help type books, there are things that you can pick up to just help you out live your everyday life
Starting point is 00:06:22 and not be a miserable SOB. And I found during Corona to be inspiring in terms of my business and having to pivot and think big picture and we were doing something might have to do something else think about the way we were doing this not enough video we're doing a video
Starting point is 00:06:41 you can find it on YouTube right now we post videos of this podcast and I think in general and I think most people agree during the tough times you find out the most about yourself and in the toughest times I will usually bet on
Starting point is 00:06:58 the most talented people It's why this season, which is going to be very, very weird, football is not built to socially distance or be corona-proof. That is, the football is the complete opposite. You touch everybody all the time. You're all together in small quarters. You literally five guys touch the other four every single play. The ball touches multiple people to play. If you're listening to this podcast, you understand that.
Starting point is 00:07:23 But I think the smartest and best coaches, which we all know, the Andy Reads, the Sean Patens, the Kyle Shanahan's, the Pete Carrolls are going to have the best opportunity to win this fall. Now, Belichick, historically the last 20 years, I would have easily put in that sentence. And I still technically do, though his team is dramatically worse. So he had his right tackle opt out. He had one of his best front seven guys in Hightower opt out. He had a running back opt out. He had a starting strong safety opt out.
Starting point is 00:07:53 He's had some guys opt out. He's had Tom Brady leave. But I think he has an opportunity this year. One, he's the most adaptive coach in league history. He knows every single position. He could be a position coach at every single position. He understands every play call, whether it's offense, defense, or special teams. And he is just one of the most innovative coaches we've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:08:15 So if you give me a guy that is given in the middle of a pandemic, he had a bunch of guys leave. He's breaking in a brand new starting quarterback, whether it's Cam Newton, which would be the polar opposite of the quarterback that he just had, who was the greatest quarterback of all time in Tom Brady, or whether it's Jared Sidham or Brian Hoyer, it's not going to be an ideal situation. But I think this, because Tom Brady, he's 43 years old, whether it goes well or not in Tampa, like his legacy is set. Six Super Bowls, he's widely considered the greatest quarterback of all time.
Starting point is 00:08:47 It can't really be disputed at this time. But I think just with coaches, we argue back and forth, was it Brady, was it Belichick? Bottom line, I think most people agree, Belichick, you know, is one of the greatest coaches of all time. But what it this year, with six players opting out, his starting quarterback for the last 20 years leaving, he's able to win nine or ten games. The more and more I think about Bill Belichick, who is, again, equipped for the shittiest time to do the best, we've seen him get hit with curveballs, some self-inflicted, like Spigate. They went 18 and 1, kicked everyone's ass. We saw him deal with the flake gate, which, depending on who you believe he had nothing to do with
Starting point is 00:09:28 it, whatever, started kicking everyone's ass again. He deals with it all the time. Brady gets suspended, wins with Jimmy, wins with Jaco. It doesn't matter. This to me might be his toughest test, right? He has a bunch of guys on the team. Most people have never heard of, unless you're like a diehard college football fan, because they're going to be playing a lot of young guys.
Starting point is 00:09:47 You know, his best, most experienced offensive guy is like Julian Edelman. Cam coming off multiple injuries or Jared Stidham is going to be a starting quarterback. Why couldn't he make the playoffs, though? I've thought all along that they are going to be in the playoff mix, and I said once they get Cam, if he's healthy, they should be a playoff team. Look at their division. Beside the bills, who do we think is going to be any good? The Dolphins won three of their last five games to become a four-win team.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Their quarterback, which Colin has been talking about his show, or on a show, who the head coach, Brian Flores, said should be ready to go, was walking with a limp when he entered the facility. The New York Jets, who, you know, I like Sam Darnold, still has a lot to prove, a coach that there's some tournament oil. Now, granted they went 7 and 9. They just traded their best player on their team for, you know, draft picks that don't help right now. Now, granted, they did get a safety back in McDougal, but still, like, to think that the Jets are going to be better than the no-name Patriots, I can't go that far. But what if Belichick kicks everyone's butt this year and goes,
Starting point is 00:10:56 wins nine or ten games. Would that solidify the argument with him and Brady? Because Brady's already the best quarterback ever. Could we start talking about Belichick being, because in my opinion he already is, but I understand the argument, people that argue other sports, whatever. What if Belichick were to make the playoffs and win a playoff game
Starting point is 00:11:15 with this roster, with these guys? Because there was one thing was he still returned all these guys, his right tackle, you know, High Tower, Chung, like his guys, along with Slater, and the McCordy and Edelman. Well, now you're removing like half those guys. I actually think Belichick has a lot on the line, a lot to gain this year.
Starting point is 00:11:35 And I thought that from the jump, but I think after this week with all these guys, like, nah, I'm good. And listen, I can't pretend to know. You read some of the stories. These guys had sick children. Their grandparents were sick. Cannon has been sick before.
Starting point is 00:11:52 I haven't read anything specific on Hightower. But this notion that, oh, it sucks to play for Belichick, that's why they want it out. I call bullshit. When you play for Belichick, you win, meaning you make more money in life. Like everywhere Hightower goes the rest of his life in New England. Hey, let's welcome Dante Hightower, three-time Super Bowl champ. Three-time Super Bowl champ, right? Not let's just welcome JJ Watt, the Texan's greatest player.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Like, that's cool. But when you get introduced as three-time Super Bowl champ, That's what all those guys in New England that have played for this team over the last seven or eight years are known for. Champions. And with championships come cash. That's just, that's why you want to win. Because not maybe even just short-term cash, long-term, you make money forever. I know, I live in the Bay Area.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Ronnie Lott, Brent Jones, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice. It's not just them. These guys are all over the place. Ricky Waters. Bryant Young, these guys are staples in this community and on radio. and you can hear them around. Once you become a champion, you're just known as that around the team.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Whether you are Jerry Rice or whether you're Ricky Waters, you're part of the squad. And you have a ring on your finger. And in the New England's case, three. And I'm telling you, I think naturally people just are kind of thinking New England's going to suck.
Starting point is 00:13:15 And in times of turmoil, the toughest times, the smartest guys usually rise. And I think counting Belichick out in this situation would be pretty, foolish. Okay, I saw something this week, as I'm sure many of you did. Joey Bosa became the highest paid defensive lineman in league history.
Starting point is 00:13:38 $102 million. And there was a time it was the year Kevin Durant signed with the Warriors. They had a historic cap spike in the NBA, and it was the only reason the Warriors were able to fit Kevin Durant under their salary cap, and part of it was Steph Curry was on a team-friendly deal, and Draymond had taken a tiny bit less. It was a unique situation. But there was a bigger picture thing in the league
Starting point is 00:14:10 where there was all this cap space, and looking back, it was something that wasn't good for the NBA. It should have been over a gradual period of time, but the union, the NBA union was very short-sighted. and pushed it, and there was a summer where just random dudes were getting like $70 million guaranteed. And forever in the NBA, superstars, like quarterbacks in the NFL, get an astronomical amount of money. But it became, I'd say, the last like 20 years, maybe 10, like the second and third type guys, and now the second and third guy on an NBA team, if you're really good, is like Clay Thompson and he's worth huge money.
Starting point is 00:14:51 or you just go Anthony Davis You need two or three elite guys in the NBA to win now But I think the NFL complained for a long period time It was like the quarterback And then everyone was fighting for the rest Now granted, it's still a lot of money And it's pro sports and these guys are making a ton of cash But relative and baseball
Starting point is 00:15:11 And I got a baseball game on in the background right now I got Mani Machado on He's making 300 million The Giants got like three guys That aren't even any good that are making 80 plus million and it just felt like the NFL guys are kind of getting screwed. Part of it is the NFL a ton of injury risk. It's understandable.
Starting point is 00:15:30 And having been in a front office, I get it. Like you don't want to tie yourself to non-quarterbacks for too long. But the simple fact is those days are over. The elite players in the NFL get huge cash now. I'm talking massive cash. Now, there was a period in like the 2000s, like when Sam Bradford's and Matt Stafford's and the Nogadaman's Sue and we go through the list
Starting point is 00:15:56 I mean all the guys those last couple years in like 08-09 that were top five picks they got huge money and it threw the league out of whack you know Stafford has been fine but Bradford was a good example and people complained well now they don't make anywhere near that much money but they still make huge cash
Starting point is 00:16:17 like this year Joe Burrough signed I think I saw saw on the ticker this week, $35 million. Kyler was well over 30. So when you look at guys like Joey Bosa, Joey Bosa was a third pick in the draft in 2016. He signed a contract. I don't even need to Google it. It was probably $25, $26, $27 million,
Starting point is 00:16:35 fully guaranteed. When a first-round rookie signs his contract, those first four years are fully guaranteed. And then if you're just pretty good, you're getting the fifth-year option picked up. But there was a period of time where it was like guys had to kind of play for cheap and guys were always fighting for money. When you're a top guy now, you get broken off. And just look at his class.
Starting point is 00:17:01 His class, like the top seven draft picks in his class, are going to go down as probably the most highly compensated top seven in league history. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz made huge money. And again, these guys, I'm talking NBA money. Because if you sign for $120 million, if you're Joey Bosa, if you're Carson Wenz, Jared Gough, as long as you keep playing, you're actually going to make whatever the actual number is, whether it's 170, 180, 200.
Starting point is 00:17:27 You know the fluff number that we always look at? We go, what's the guaranteed number? And you go, if it's Cleo Mac, 90, 90, well, the thing where it's not fluff, if that guy stays good, he keeps cashing those checks with three or four years, he actually ends up making probably 130, 140. And then he already made 25 to 30 those first three or four years.
Starting point is 00:17:48 So he ends up with boom, he's eight years into the league, and he's got two hundo in the bank. But the reality is, is that draft class in 2016 is just stupid good. You know, Jared Goff kind of probably gets unfairly criticized sometimes. His offensive line was terrible. He is a solid quarterback. No, is he a great player? No. Is Carson Wentz clearly more talented?
Starting point is 00:18:09 Yes. Has Jared Goff probably been more productive, but Carson more talented and had more moments? Kind of complicated. Reality is both of them are just making an astronomer. amount of money in their direct deposits every Tuesday when the NFL pays them. Joey Bosa, the third pick in the draft, which I thought at the time was a little crazy, turned out to 100% be the right pick. Good job, Tom Telesco.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Zeke, highest paid running back. Jalen Ramsey, while he's on his fifth year option, if he makes it to free agency, the Rams are either going to have to give him 70 to 80 guaranteed or some team is going to make him, I don't know, he might get as much as Joey Bosa. he would get so much money, it would be stupid. Ronnie Stanley is playing this year on his fifth year option. I'll be honest, I got a text around the league. I don't know that much about him.
Starting point is 00:18:55 He starts on the Ravens. They haven't extended him yet. I feel like early on his career, a little bit of underachiever. But if you're playing for the Ravens, like, you know, you must be pretty solid. I mean, they're one of the best teams in the league. And DeForest Buckner was just traded for the 13th pick and is making $21 million a year. So this group has done pretty well financially, but they also proved. Obviously the quarterbacks are always going to make big money
Starting point is 00:19:17 If you're good at hell if you're just decent at quarterback You're gonna get broken off whether it's fair or not And I think the players in the league Jealousy's probably the wrong word I mean it's just natural jealousy when someone gets paid more than you Even though you think you're a better football player than them Though even if you're a guard or a linebacker you have to acknowledge their position's better more important But I would imagine if you're playing with a guy like Kirk Cousins
Starting point is 00:19:41 You're like and I'm Adam Thielen I just go I'm a dramatically better player in this guy I know he plays quarterback and I play wide receiver, but we're still humans. This guy's making $30 million a year. I'm making $12. What? You know, it doesn't, but it's just the way the cookie crumbles. But the reality is now, when you are an elite player at safety, at tackle, at defensive line, at wherever, Jamal Adams, another guy who's going to get a ton of money
Starting point is 00:20:08 from the Seattle Seahawks in the next, I'd say, calendar year. You start getting paid like an NBA player. And it's taken a while, and there's been a lot of heat. Like the money doesn't get distributed, well, it's starting to get distributed. The cash is flowing. And I'm talking big time. Because you're even starting to see, like, the second tier guys. Like, is Amari Cooper a star?
Starting point is 00:20:29 Like, Amari Cooper's a really good player. You got $100 million this off season. And 60 guaranteed. But Amari was the fourth pick in the draft. So he had already made it. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.
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Starting point is 00:26:31 I don't put that much stock into what players say on other players, because on given years, they don't play that player. A lot of stuff, just like in life, is on, perception and on just kind of the group think in a league in an industry we all can relate right in whatever business you're in there are certain perceptions about certain individuals certain companies that if you've worked there or worked around the guy you just know or not true uh i think for the most part the top 10 had 10 of the better players now derrick henry i wouldn't put in the top 10 i don't think there's a coach in the league including baltimore that would take lamar jackson
Starting point is 00:27:08 over patrick mahomes so patrick mahomes not being ahead of them Listen, it is what it is. I also understand it from the players' perspective. Talked a lot about it on my other podcast. Like, I get it. Lamar was fantastic. This was a regular season vote. They didn't vote on the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:27:28 Patrick Mahomes is a better player than him. We all know that. Every single person listening knows that, including Baltimore Ravens fans. Yeah, so, I mean, I don't really know what else to say. I don't really care. I know I had to mention it just because it was just, Kind of an internet story all week.
Starting point is 00:27:44 The thing that I do put a lot of stock in, and he does it every year, is the quarterback tiers. Mike Sando, who works for the athletic, ranks all the starting quarterbacks. He also includes some backups for some teams like the Raiders, the Panthers, and the Patriots, who have multiple quarterbacks. You know, I know Teddy Bridge was going to start, excuse me, Kyle Allen, who's now with the Reds, Maybe it was the Redskins.
Starting point is 00:28:14 But teams that have multiple quarterbacks, we're not sure, you know, Stidham, Cam, now that Marriota is the highest paid backup. But for the most part, it's just starting quarterbacks. And it's people in the league, coaches, executives. It gives you what the league thinks about these players, which you can hear what I think about it, you can hear what your friends think about it, you can hear what other media members think about it.
Starting point is 00:28:36 The thing that determines how they get paid, what's their worth, if you're going to trade for him, what the compensation costs is what the league thinks. That is the marketplace. So I think it's a fantastic exercise, and of course Patrick Mahomes is number one, where he should be. And hell, Lamar wasn't even a top tier player. Let's start with that. I'm just going to list some things. I'm not going to do a full breakdown of every player, but just some things that stood out to me.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Lamar was the first player in tier two. Maybe it was the second after Brady. But I think a big element. to Lamar inside the league. And I heard Mike Sando say this on Ryan Rassillas podcast. If you just ask people in the league, they would say he is an elite football player. Because Lamar Jackson is an elite football player. Right now, though, he's not an elite passer.
Starting point is 00:29:27 And in big games, what quarterbacks get judged off of, he can't be trusted to beat you on, you know, third and long. And part of it's not all his fault. It's the way the offense is built around him for his strengths. He doesn't have to do it during the regular season. It's understandable. But for him ever to be viewed as a Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, he's going to have to to kick your ass with his arm in big games against top defenses.
Starting point is 00:29:47 And right now, most people in the league don't think he can't. But he's such a great runner, and he's still a dynamic passer, because when you're running the ball down your throat, you've got to commit to the run, guys become wide open, and you dominate. But he's got to take a big step passing, and I'm fascinated to watch him attempt to do it. They put Rivers and bet on this list. Rivers was way too high to me. Rivers last season.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Now, his body of work, I mean, there's probably five quarterbacks on this list that are better than him over his entire career, right? Like Brady, Breeze, Rogers, I'd take Mahomes and like Russell Wilson. But when you talk about Rivers right now, he was horrendous last year, awful, looked old, couldn't move through a bunch of picks. It was terrible. To me, he was a bottom like seven, eight quarterback in the NFL, and they had him as a top 15 quarterback. Now he may bounce back this year Better offensive line More faith in the coach
Starting point is 00:30:43 More faith in the organization I don't know But last time I check Keenan Allen Mike Williams Hunter Henry is better than what he's got in Indy Now the offensive line is dramatically better But the weapons do matter
Starting point is 00:30:55 And he's a guy that kind of throws it up for grabs Sometimes and those guys He's benefited from that over the years And Ben I don't know You know he played two games last year He's really old he ripped his elbow I have no clue
Starting point is 00:31:11 I wouldn't even have put him on the list I would have put him on the side as just I got no freaking clue Does he have anything left Him and Rivers are basically The two biggest wild cards in the league Because if those two guys are good They're on two playoff teams
Starting point is 00:31:25 If those two guys are bad Those teams are screwed Especially Pittsburgh Because we saw a duck and Mason's stick At least Jacoby is functioning Jimmy Garoppolo was below Kirk Cousins. Now, I understand Jimmy Garoppolo is a polarizing player. I get it.
Starting point is 00:31:42 He should be. We don't. I think he's better probably than many people listening. I think he is a good thrower of the football. He has a great, you know, very, very fast release. He's a tough SOB in the pocket. He is not scared. But, and he can scramble around, keep plays alive, he's a playmaker.
Starting point is 00:31:59 He'll throw a lot of picks and he'll throw a lot of pickable balls. But I know this. If I pulled every gentleman in the league, 32 of them, I would be shocked if it wasn't 30 to 2, if not 320, people taking Jimmy Garoppolo over Kirk Cousins. Now, I tweeted this out because we talked about it on my other podcast. Mike Sandel replied and said, well, they were basically in the same kind of group. I just listed it.
Starting point is 00:32:24 It went like Cousins, Gough, Jimmy. And my thing is, what I don't do in 2020 are, listen, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, I would say, besides like Rogers, Fav are the best quarterbacks I've ever seen in L.A. But I saw L.A. when I was young, he was kind of old. And pocket quarterbacks has always been a thing in the NFL. I do think the way the game has changed, with so many great defensive linemen coming in, so many average offensive linemen coming in, it's a huge benefit to quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:32:54 if they're just Patrick Mahomes. You know, Russell Wilson, you don't need to be Lamar Jackson, but you've got to be able to scramble. Kirk Cousins cannot move. Jared Goff's even a bigger stiff. And I like Jared Goff. Honestly, Kirk Cousins is not bad either. These guys are solid starters.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Jared, both a little overpaid, in my opinion. But, like, you can win games with them. Clearly, their team has to be stacked, but you can win with them. And that might be the case with Jimmy Garoppel. But I don't know that for sure. I know for a fact right now what Kirk Cousins is. I still think there's more to learn with Jared Gough. But a little like Kirk Cousins and definitely like all the older guys,
Starting point is 00:33:28 Jared Gough is a good example. If his offensive line is not good, he can't move. He can't get away. Like, Jimmy does bring me that element of just functional mobility. And I think you don't need to be Kyler. You don't need to be Michael Vick. But I do need a guy that can just scramble around. Like, that's what Aaron Rogers did forever.
Starting point is 00:33:48 And that's, I would take Jimmy Garoppolo over Kirk Cousins every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Baker was just a couple spots below Jimmy. I think he was like 21. Listen, I would put a major question mark on Baker. and I'm someone that loved him coming out, but he has a first-time head coach. He has a pretty just, I mean, anytime you got Odell Beckham on your team,
Starting point is 00:34:12 it's kind of like a powder keg. If he's not getting the ball, he could get pissed off. Jarvis, probably one of his most consistent guys is coming back from injury. They're adding Austin Hooper into the mix. They're adding a lot of new offensive linemen. Obviously, their head coach is their play caller. Their running backs are good.
Starting point is 00:34:28 There is zero excuse. And let me repeat, zero excuse for, Cleveland to not be really dynamic on offense. They should dominate on offense. And it starts with him because if you have great offensive personnel and you have a good quarterback, you should be a top five or six offense. Just that simple. The Vikings were a fantastic offense last year.
Starting point is 00:34:48 And their offensive line wasn't even that good. But why? They had a good tight, they have multiple tight ends, star running back to stud wide receivers. Well, the Browns, in theory, should have a better offensive line than the Vikings had just as good of running backs in Chubb and Hunt. Jarvis and Odell should be as good as Diggs and Theelin, and the tight ends, you would argue the Browns might be better, like that should be elite.
Starting point is 00:35:14 But Cousins was solid. Can Baker be that good? I don't know. He wasn't last year. Now, was it just Freddy Kitchens? Might have been. We're about to find out. The other thing in the article was,
Starting point is 00:35:26 I think Carr was the 20th quarterback on the list, and Mariotta was like in the late. 20s. Now, Marriota was atrocious last year, and he was injured, and I heard Gruden today talking about how he's been going through his rehab, and he feels like he's caught up on the offense. Everyone in the league, like the quotes on Derek and the quotes on Mariotta is they would not be shocked that if Marriota starts some games this year. There is tangible pressure on Carr. They draft rugs really high. They now have a star tight end in Waller, a star running back we think in Josh Jacobs. Their offensive line is solid. They dropped a couple more
Starting point is 00:36:03 wide receivers in the third round. Gruden is just a quarterback guy that if Derek struggles this year and his numbers were good last year, but if you watched him the I test, the numbers in the I test did not equal up. He was not a playmaker last year. He just wasn't. And they're going to need him in that division, which I think is going to be very, very good to be a playmaker. And if he's not getting it done, and I'm not saying Mariotta's better than him, I would rather have car, but you don't pay the highest paid backup in the league that if you feel good about it. Like the chiefs are never going to have the highest paid backup in the league. Neither will Seattle. Tampa, you know, New England never did. Neither will Philadelphia. When you have a
Starting point is 00:36:46 highly paid guy, you usually depend on them. And in fairness, Gruden didn't pay Derek. You just, it's just something to keep an eye on. Now, if Derek plays well, it won't be an issue. But I think the pressure from the jump is going to be on car to get the job done because Marriota is going to be breathing down his neck. It's clear Tom Brady and Tampa had a good, they tweeted out some pictures of Tom throwing to rookies, but Tom Brady does his best work right with Dion Lewis, with James White, you know, with all the guys in the mid-2000s. He likes a little running back to throw two out of the backfield. I mean, who doesn't? If I play quarterback, I'd like a little wheel route guy that if my tight ends and wide receivers aren't open. Tom Fees off that.
Starting point is 00:37:30 LaShawn McCoy is one of the best past catching backs of his generation. Now, is he still good? I don't know. I mean, I have a soft spot for Shady. I love Peak Shady, but he might not be that good anymore. Now, I would imagine they didn't pay him any money, but Tampa signed LaShawn McCoy. Kind of like that. There's been some COVID guys, you know, that are on that the COVID list. the two biggest names I've seen I might have missed some because over the last couple days the tests have been coming back
Starting point is 00:37:59 so the veterans like people I saw people tweeting like why is Tom Brady allowed to practice because quarterback show up to training camp with the rookies because you can't run a practice in a normal year without the quarter Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged
Starting point is 00:38:16 it's the enhanced games some call it grotesque others say it's unleashing human potential either way the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:38:41 A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.
Starting point is 00:38:59 And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,
Starting point is 00:39:15 and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space. For honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little kill?
Starting point is 00:39:55 Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.
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Starting point is 00:40:44 Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing,
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Starting point is 00:41:40 Open your free, Our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Max. So they always come early. It's like there's a reason your left fielder does. not pitchers and catchers show up first. Quarterbacks and rookies show up first. So Tom has been there since last week.
Starting point is 00:41:54 So he's already gone through the testing protocol, period. That's why he's able to practice. But I saw Anthony Barr. I didn't read the details whether he has it or not. Lane Johnson is also on it, and Lane Johnson tweeted out that he does, that he had it, he feels fine, that he plans on being back.
Starting point is 00:42:10 I think that's a common theme. These guys get it. Again, if you just read, I'm not trying to get political here. Young people get it. A lot of them don't feel bad. Now, there are some that do, but in my experience of the people I know in their mid-30s and these aren't professional athletes feel fine. And obviously some people are asymptomatic, but these pro football players, these pro basketball players get it,
Starting point is 00:42:30 and nothing really happens. So, I mean, that's a good thing. I mean, thank God. You know, this thing's not even worse. And I'm not trying to diminish Corona or any of that stuff. Just, God, I just want it to go away, but it doesn't feel like it's going away any minute. Yonik and Daqway, the Jags are a joke franchise. It's just that simple.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Jags are a laughing stock franchise. They're the biggest joke franchise right now in the National Football League. Not even sure. That's arguable. I guess the Lions could probably throw their hat in the ring, but I mean, Stafford's still pretty good. And they got some good players, but they don't win either. And Patricia's not very good.
Starting point is 00:43:06 But he's holding out. He wants to be traded. I don't know what they're going to get for him. It's just a disaster situation. It's just classic Jaguars. And then Vic Beasley, who was a royal bust for the Atlanta Falcons. I think they drafted him. Was it seventh overall? Like really high at the top 10. Went to the Titans this offseason and he didn't show up for training camp. Not because he has
Starting point is 00:43:29 Corona, not because he's injured. He just didn't show up. An unexcused absence. I guess John Robinson said to the media today. He's been in contact. He told him like, bro, you're not excused. Where are you at? Just, you know, some guys, some guys get it. The majority of humans do not. Did you know Amazon provides ways of working that fit your lifestyle? They know you value your time outside of work, juggling family, school, friends, or other activities. That's why they offer a variety of shifts that work for you. There are full-time, part-time, and even temporary opportunities that can work with your schedule, with great starting pay and sign-on bonuses.
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Starting point is 00:45:57 And you fire in and ask questions you guys know the drill. Also, just got to remind you again, three and out podcast, Apple iTunes, subscribe to the podcast if you listen on Collins feed and leave a review greatly appreciated. Drey, a key member of the Seahawks just had a baby. If a doctor tells that key member of the Seahawks that he can't be around his new child because he's playing football, that guy is not going to play. And the Seahawks will be 3 and 13 at best. Wonder if Joe Douglas thought about this.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Please discuss this for two minutes on the pot. I would imagine you're talking about Russell Wilson and his baby whose name is W-I-N. Whereas Al Davis would say, just win baby. I'm pretty sure that Russell Wilson is playing football this year. I'm actually 100% positive Russell Wilson's playing football. Maybe not 100. I'll go 99 because I don't want to look like an idiot of some.
Starting point is 00:46:56 It would be the biggest story of Corona. It would easily be the biggest sports story of Corona if Russell Wilson were to opt out for the Seahawks. I don't know what they'd tell them. I don't pretend to be a doctor. I mean, we all can read whatever we want to read with kids in the coronavirus. Russell Wilson's playing football.
Starting point is 00:47:16 You know, he's worked out all offseason. He takes videos where he's working out during coronavirus in L.A. while she was pregnant. I think he had a pretty good idea of what was to come, given the baby. So Russell Wilson's playing. Now, if Joe Douglas knew Russell Wilson was opting out and did the trade, yes, he would be a genius. Because if they, if Russell Wilson didn't play, the Seattle Seahawks would be royally screwed and the Jets would have sweet picks. But Russell Wilson's going to play.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Love the pod. What software do you use to record the video side of it? I've looked at a stream yard, but yours looks slightly different. What I do is I record my audio on garage band. I use my iPad, which is set up, which if you follow me on Twitter, I also do my periscopes for at my desk. and then I send it to a guy named Elijah who's a genius for Fox Sports Radio and he syncs the audio and the video but if I wanted to send the video to myself I could just take the audio from GarageBan
Starting point is 00:48:27 take my video from the iPad and drag it into iMovie and sync it up you could do that as well so that's how I do it am I the most efficient one doing it probably not I would say on a tech savvy standpoint I'm probably like, I don't know, a 4 out of 10.
Starting point is 00:48:48 When Seattle goes balls to the wall with the Adam deal, it sends two messages. Internally to the team that we're going to go to the Super Bowl, to externally, to soon be to UFAs, Seattle is a player-friendly, and when you are a UFA, come here. We value talent. Might help Seattle get a UFA down the road, just my two cents. I think Seattle's been pretty player-friendly over the years. You know, they've given Russell a ton of money. They've, you know, traded for high-priced players and paid them.
Starting point is 00:49:19 They paid Bobby Wagner. They paid Richard Sherman. They paid Earl Thomas. They paid Cam Chancellor. You know, they traded for clowning. You know, I think Seattle would be a place if I was a player, especially kind of a crazy player. And like physical football, is a place where I'd want to play for sure. First of all, love the show, mate.
Starting point is 00:49:41 great to see an honest take on the league's news from someone who's worked inside the league appreciate it imagine an olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged it's the enhanced games some call it grotesque others say it's unleashing human potential either way the podcast's superhuman documented it all embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year within probably 10 days i'd put on 10 pounds i was having trouble stopping the muscle growth listen to superhuman on the Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:50:46 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:51:12 And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.
Starting point is 00:51:27 What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down,
Starting point is 00:51:38 and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode, with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist,
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Starting point is 00:53:16 search Learn the Hardway, and listen now. My question is, are the chances of the Buffalo Bills winning the AFC East? In my mind, they are the clear favorites to win the division, I would agree, and the news today of Chung and Hightower that may opt out for the season
Starting point is 00:53:32 is further proof that the Pats are not going to be a force this year. I push back a little bit, but I would agree. The bills should win this division. 100%. However, the bookies still have the Pats favored to win the division. Buffalo are paying two and a half to win. This to me is great value bet, and I don't think I've seen this good of a bet in a long time.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Am I crazy or am I missing something? P.S., you guys have a different odd system in the U.S. Okay, I was like two and a half. I think I saw, I'll pull up on my bookie what my odds are. Listen, I saw Jim Kelly said this during the offseason Is that the moment Tom Brady left, the bills had no excuse They were a playoff team last year And the Patriots are now in shambles
Starting point is 00:54:22 When you just look at their roster relative to what they've been This should be their season. Here's the thing, though. Okay, let's go, AFC Division Ods. I have AFC East. I got the Patriots plus one, I mean, one to one, you're right. You can get the bills better odds to win the division than the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:54:45 I think that speaks to Cam Newton. I think that speaks to Bill Belichick, and I just think it speaks to the unknown. I think the odds I'm looking at, the Jets and the Dolphins are both 8 to 1. The Patriots are basically 1 to 1, and the Jets are like 1.4 to 1. So plus 100, plus 140, and then 8, 8. I would have the Jets. To me, those odds are screwy. Like the Jets went 79 last year.
Starting point is 00:55:06 have a much more established quarterback than anything Miami has. I would have the Jets at like 4 to 1. Not the same number as the Miami Dolph. That seems crazy. To me, the dolphins are the clear fourth best team in that division. I don't care what happened at the end of the last season. But I'm with you. I think the bills are fantastic value.
Starting point is 00:55:25 I actually might bet on that before the season starts. I'm going to make a little note. Bills to win the division. I actually might look to parlay that with something. Bills to win the division, I kind of want to parlay them with another team. Can I get the Chiefs? Chiefs for minus 400. That's a little spicy. Maybe the Colts, the Texans. I could do the bills to win the division and the Texans to win the division. If I parlayed the two, I can't parlay future bets. Never mind.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yeah, I'm with you. I like the bills to win that division as well. That was a good text. Got my gambling mind thinking. Hi, John. I'm a recent Cal grad and wanted to ask your opinion on Cal's current staff, including their new O.C. Bill Musgrave. Coach Wilcox has shown a significant improvement on the defensive side of the ball compared to previous regime, but the offense has been at the bottom of the pack 12 the last few years. Do you think Musgrave is the right higher to bring the offense to at least average in the
Starting point is 00:56:24 conference and continue the momentum from the best season since golf? Thanks. I think Justin Wilcox is a legit coach. You know, he's clearly already established his top four or five coach out west. If their offense is good, their defense is going to be good. They run a tight chip, a physical defense they can cover. He understands cover jiz. Their defense is going to be good moving forward.
Starting point is 00:56:44 It's just going to be can their quarterback play well? And last year I went to a game against Arizona State on a Friday night, and their quarterback got hurt. And if he can play better, when Bill Musgrave was here with Derrickari at his best season, he was on pace to win the MVP. So until he broke his ankle. I like Bill Musgrave. I think they'll run a more traditional offense,
Starting point is 00:57:05 Like he uses a fullback. He's known as a West Coast guy. But I think he adapted well. That year with Derek Carr in 16 with Crabtree and Amari was really, really impressive. I'm a big fan of Bill Musgrave. What grows in the forest? Trees? Sure.
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Starting point is 00:59:00 When you are working in the NFL, the teams invest in sports psychologists. Was it common to see big times talents underperform because of performance anxiety? Keep up the good work. That's a hell of a question. I had heard stories about individual guys. By the time, I think the last 10 years, these guys have their own individual performance coaches. I think every team, and definitely anyone that goes to a Power 5 school in college, have access to them. and I think it impacts positively a lot of guys
Starting point is 00:59:34 and they just continue to use it. Sports are no different than life, right? We all get insecure about things. We all question ourselves at things, even when we're good at them, and definitely when we're bad at them. We're all humans. So I think it plays a huge role.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Now, some coaches are naturals at that, are just natural uplifters. Like, if you're around Coach Reed and you're a good player, like I've seen it. He's just good at it. He's a natural at it. I think, as you know, I think Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeyer, like they're just personality around these players.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Like, they're good at uplifting. Now, you might need one around Belichick or Zimmer, right? Some of the, you know, the Parcells type guys, not exactly the same. But I think a lot of these coaches, you know, Pete Carroll is like, might as well just be a sports psychologist. So I think it just depends on your coach because these guys, when you're a good player
Starting point is 01:00:31 and you're making a lot of money, you can always, the coach's doors wide open. Now, we all have things we maybe can't talk about with the coach, then yeah, the teams definitely have access to it. Now, some guys, you know, have it worse than others. You know, I never played in the league,
Starting point is 01:00:47 but there has to be an anxiety comes naturally. The sport of football is not like baseball or basketball. Every game brings a large amount of anxiety. But I think the older you get in the NFL, the studying habits help. It's like when you study for a test, you know the answers. In football, you never quite know the answers,
Starting point is 01:01:03 but these guys study so much. I think the preparation helps a lot of these guys kind of ease. You just spend so much time in the NFL working toward the game, whether it's lifting, whether it's practicing, whether it's film study, whether it's working on your body. You don't really have that much time for example. Now there's other things in life, right? Your family, pressures and your wife, your kids, sick, whatever,
Starting point is 01:01:26 that we all need help and to talk through. And, yeah, the teams definitely have. and provide access for stuff like that. I mean, these are billion-dollar industries. Whatever you need, they will point you in the direction if they don't have. But that's something I think that all teams have. If I texted around to my buddies in the league and the GMs, I'm sure they would say they all have that.
Starting point is 01:01:48 I never saw it around us, but I never really asked. I was just so busy trying to make sure players got graded and shit didn't get screwed up, so I didn't get in trouble. You know, I didn't really have time to think about. performance coaches. I knew we had a great security guard though. He's the best in the business, so I'm at the combine. Yeah, so I appreciate everyone listening. Have a good week. And I'll see you next Tuesday. And I think we'll be in the full swing of things. These guys I don't think we'll actually be practicing, but all the vets come back to the facilities this weekend if they all pass the
Starting point is 01:02:23 COVID test. And, you know, they start doing walkthroughs and lifts. And I mean, in a coronavirus time, will start headed toward the season. You know, typically, I would be headed probably to some padded praxis this weekend for the Niners. And probably, you know, that sucks. Not happening now. But, you know, instead I'll just go play golf and drink alcohol all weekend. You know, you got to deal with the cards you're dealt. I can't go.
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