The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Brady Hiatus Explained, Bills ‘Punt God’ Backlash, Scott Frost Disaster

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

John discusses why Tom Brady’s training camp hiatus makes sense, if the Bills acted fast enough in cutting ex-punter Matt Ariza following rape allegations, and why Nebraska should have fired HC Scot...t Frost after last season. He also takes a quick turn to give Rory McIlroy props for his Tour Championship win and elevating his profile as the face of the PGA Tour. Subscribe NOW and follow Middlekauff and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content. It's always  FanDuel for the best wagering action! #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:48 Colin so they know we sent you. What is going on, everybody? John Middlecop, three and out podcast. Sunday afternoon, about 4 o'clock, August 28th. We are now officially
Starting point is 00:03:13 two Sundays away from the National Football League. Obviously, the game on Thursday night, Rams, bills less than that, whatever 10, 11 days away from that. I watched the college football game. A lot going on. There are three things that I really want to hammer home today that I'm fired up on,
Starting point is 00:03:32 and that's the Tom Brady video that kind of went viral. The Bill's punter situation, Matt Arisa, who was nicknamed the punt god a couple weeks ago, has been involved in a civil lawsuit with potential statutory and just sexual assault, rape. Yeah, pretty ugly. Was released by the Bills.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And then Scott Frost, the head coach in Nebraska, who was now officially a royal disaster, 15 and 30. I watched a lot of that game. Him versus Pat Fitzgerald, the academic elites versus Frost. And they kicked his butt, man. they worked them in the second half. Might even touch on a little bit at the end.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Something I saw. I watched a lot of golf today. Rory McElroy won the Tour Championship. Three and Out Podcasts, subscribe. If you listen through Collins' feed, make sure you subscribe to the Three and Out podcast. Also, Middlekopf Mailbag. I'm going to go to Nashville this week,
Starting point is 00:04:29 be there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So I'm going to try to probably record a mailbag, maybe Wednesday before I leave. So the plan is to have a podcast today, Monday. Another podcast Tuesday. Then I'll probably, instead of going Friday because of Labor Day weekend, I'll probably put something out Thursday. That would probably be mailbag heavy, I would imagine.
Starting point is 00:04:48 And then we'll let everyone have a good time for Labor Day. And then we'll hit the ground run in NFL football. Let's go, baby. So yeah, Middilcoff Mailbag at John Middilcoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. But I wanted to start with Thomas Brady. And he just went on an 11-day hiatus, vacation, sabbatical. No one truly knows what it was. And there were a lot of different reports because at first his mom has been sick.
Starting point is 00:05:14 His parents were getting older. You know, I think your first go to something wrong with his family. And it came out everyone, you know, who covers the team, people around the league said it is not anything involved in that. And I've really been thinking ever since the video that kind of went viral, he played last night. And then after the game was obviously asked about the situation. and his response, I thought, for a guy who is, he actually looks like he's got some plastic surgery, he's starting to look a little weird.
Starting point is 00:05:44 But let's face it, Tom Brady, over the last six, seven years, has become very unrelatable, right? He went into a world in terms of championships that will never be sniffed again. He's got seven Super Bowls. He's married to a model. He started eating avocado ice cream.
Starting point is 00:05:59 He started doing all this weird stuff. He literally was competing to win the MVP in the NFL at 43, 44, 45 years old. That is not going to become something of the norm. Now, I've said over and over because of health improvements and the way guys train, we're going to see guys play longer in their careers. But just look at three of his peers.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Peyton Manning fell off a cliff at 39 years old. Drew Breeze and Rathusberger couldn't throw it 10 yards down the field. And obviously, Rathesberger treated his body a little bit different than Drew, and they were all shot at 40 years old. and I thought when he said, I'm 45, I got a lot of shit going on. For all his unrelatable characteristics, the wealth, the looks, the lifestyle, just his entire world, that was the most relatable thing he said in forever. And I've said forever, when I say not relatable, obviously as a teammate, he gets along with everybody.
Starting point is 00:06:57 He is one of the greatest teammates in the history of team sports. So if you're playing with them, if you're a coach on the staff, people love the guy. I just mean from the outside, it's starting to go, Tom Brady's getting a little weird. Let's just be real. He kind of feels like an actor or a musician or just when they kind of go off the deep end. But his style in terms of on the field play is still awesome. And I didn't watch much of the game, but I saw a couple clips. His arm looks fine.
Starting point is 00:07:25 So unlike Breeze, unlike Rafflesberger, unlike Manning, his arm, he's still throwing 95 in a lot of fastball. He's never been able to run, so really his game hasn't changed. But off the field it has. And just put yourself in the shoes. I'm 37 years old. I looked up the average age of an NFL player is 26. 26 years old.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Think about when you were 26, the lack of responsibilities you had, the ability to kind of do whatever you want, whether you're an NFL player or whether you were a sales guy. Your life is dramatically different at 26 than it usually isn't. 35, 36, 37. I can just think about myself. The responsibilities that I have right now, the things I'm involved with, partners in different businesses, moving a state, moving to another state, owning a place,
Starting point is 00:08:16 just things that happen in life. My brother's having a second child. My mom was just in the hospital. She's fine. But just life comes at you fast. The older you get more financial responsibilities. I don't even have children yet. I can't imagine how many people are listening probably between the ages of 35 and 45 right now to my podcast.
Starting point is 00:08:36 If you think back to when you were in your mid to late 20s, how different your life is now at 36, at 41. It's dramatically different. You have dramatically more responsibilities. The NFL is not meant for players to be 45 years old. And I'm not saying other guys on the teams throughout the league don't have children. Obviously they do. think how many players, though, that you see after they win hold up their child. They're usually like two years old. Tom Brady has several children that are juniors in high school.
Starting point is 00:09:09 He has other kids that are in junior high. Like, his kids are old. His kids are much more like the coaching staff kids. And I think his wife, like my theory is pretty simple, that his wife does not want him to keep playing. I don't know that to be a fact. This is obviously an educated guess. from watching. And when he talked the way, if we're assuming on his word and everyone else is that no one is sick or anything, some stuff's going on within the home, which is very
Starting point is 00:09:38 natural. That happens to all of us. Whether you're in a serious relationship, whether you're married, you constantly deal with those situations the older you get. So this notion that he's 45 and has a lot of shit going on, of course he does. Because most 45-year-olds that are married with several children, and especially when those children are 10 to 15 years old, got a lot going on. You know who most of those human beings also are not? Players in the NFL, the majority of NFL players don't have children who are 10 to 15 years old, have not been married for, you know, a decade long.
Starting point is 00:10:15 So Tom Brady is just at a different point in life than basically everyone else in the NFL. And he's also required to be the quarterback. And the difference between the quarterback, you'd be like, well, Vinatari played up 45. He's a fucking kicker. Now he's the greatest kicker of all time. But he shows up, kicks a couple balls, goes home. Tom Brady has to approach the week, especially at his level, like he is a coach. The way he prepares, the time he puts in, the training he does on his body.
Starting point is 00:10:42 While the coaching hours are more spent in an office, his time on his body, on his preparation, on his film study, is coach-like. So I understand people in his house are like, what are we still doing? You're playing for a legacy that's already set. No one's ever passing you. You already considered the goat. And we have enough money, obviously. Our lives are set. What are we chasing now?
Starting point is 00:11:06 And I think his response, if I was him, I'd be like, well, I'm still one of the best players in the league. Why would I quit? The game has never been easier. And I think it's fair to say the game has never come easier to Tom in terms of understanding defenses, understanding his offense, understanding teammates, strengths and weaknesses of opponents, all that stuff he can do. Like his preparation, you have to work every week to gain that. But he knows like the back of his hand.
Starting point is 00:11:31 The hard part now is like this growing family. What people go through at 45 and 50 years old, like normal people stuff. And he kind of hinted at that. Like, yeah, people got issues in their homes. I've seen it. You've seen it. We've all seen it. Guess what?
Starting point is 00:11:45 That's human. Guess what the issues you typically don't have. when you're unmarried, single, with some money, not the same problems. Obviously, everyone deals with problems. I do think when other people are depending on you and pulling at your time, when they're your children going into high school or your wife, it makes a little more complicated. So I thought Tom Brady's press conference, he does look a little weird.
Starting point is 00:12:09 He does look like he needs to eat a sandwich. He looks like he's got a little work done. But I thought his words were the most relatable thing he said in a long time. NFL kickoff is still a few weeks away, but you can get in on the action now on Fandual Sportsbook with their NFL Super Win bonus. Right now, anyone who places at least a $50 Super Bowl winner bet will get $5 back for each win your team has during the regular season.
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Starting point is 00:17:53 Search learn the hard way and listen now. Transitioned the bills. They cut a punter. Matt Arisa, who looked like he was one of the best young special team guys in the league. He was kicking 80-yard punts. They had just cut another punter and basically named him the guy. He was a six-round draft pick. And information came out.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And let me start with this, because I did some digging. I talked to multiple people that went through San Diego State. and they said that this not only didn't came up, no one had ever heard of this. This was not something, at least the teams that I know, and I can't speak for every team, on their character write-up, they did not know of this incident. So whether San Diego State covered it up, whether Matt Ariza and the other guys on the team covered it up, it did not get to the NFL people. That is, I know that for a fact from the people I've talked to.
Starting point is 00:18:50 And then I watched the press conference of Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott talk to. about this situation. And Brandon Bean said, obviously, we did not have this information. And I do believe him. He said, if we did, we probably wouldn't have drafted them. I think that's fair to say. And he said, I reached out to double digit other teams. They also agreed.
Starting point is 00:19:10 This was not something that NFL teams know about. Now, I got to push back on the media because I watched this press conference and I watched the media, asked them questions, basically calling Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott scumbags for not cutting him. originally when they found out the news. And I've said it forever. This is a completely different situation. I don't know if anything's ever happened in any of these situations. Why I've never been there, neither of you. I've said the same thing about Deshawn Watson. The difference of Deshawn Watson, which a situation like this is it's one girl. That was girl after girl after girl.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Now, I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm not saying he's innocent. I simply say I have no clue. when they were privyed to that a potential situation or a lawsuit was going to come out a couple months ago this was after OTAs but before training camp they asked their punter if about the situation and clearly he told them I did not do this that did not happen and the accusations if you haven't read underage girl 17 years old college party Erezza Erezah I might be screwing up his name not only slept with her
Starting point is 00:20:19 then pass her off to other teammates. If it's true, it's heinous. They believed him. And then a civil lawsuit came out within the last week. They obviously went back to him. And his story, according to Brandon Bean, did not change. But the heat that was coming down on this situation, they cut him. And a lot of people in the media were like, why did you wait so long?
Starting point is 00:20:43 How did they wait long? They got the original information before any civil lawsuit or anything was coming out. that there was a situation. He said that wasn't true. And then a lawsuit came about, not charges, a civil lawsuit, and they asked him, his story didn't change, but they realized a simple thing. Because a lot of people are like, well, if he was a quarterback, he wouldn't be cut. No, he wouldn't. If he was a quarterback, they would let the situation play out. But this is the reality in the NFL. This guy's a six-round draft pick. He's also a punter. If he had been the number two overall pick and a pass rusher, maybe they would just tell him to stay away from the team,
Starting point is 00:21:22 but they wouldn't have cut him. Well, he's a six-round pick, and he's a punter, see you. So whether you're guilty or you're innocent, we don't have the ability to stand by you and take the heat because of the position you play one and the draft position you play. Because ultimately, Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott, myself, and yourself, we have no fucking clue what happened. None. You say, if you read it and it's true, every human being agrees, scum,
Starting point is 00:21:48 bum bag, jail time, loser, out of the league forever. But if it's not, like we've seen accusations that aren't, no one knows. But the way that they operated this, it's pretty simple. His problems outweigh his importance. Because while he might be some future hall of, he might be the next ray guy. Well, punters are pretty replaceable. And we didn't pay you any money because you're a sixth round pick. And we don't want to deal with something that obviously you are telling us,
Starting point is 00:22:17 they're lying, they're telling us you're lying, we don't know, it ain't worth the headache. Peace, see ya, Godspeed. But this is your problem, not our problem. But I saw that the, some, a couple of media people asked that the entire fan base universally is disgusted by the bills. I don't see what the bills did wrong. They had no information when they drafted the player. And then when they originally were contacted by a lawyer, they went to their player. he adamantly denied it.
Starting point is 00:22:48 And then a civil lawsuit came within the last whatever week. They go back. They do a bunch more research and they realize if there is something there, you're going to have to go to court. See you. Bye. To me, that's a pretty normal protocol. And as Brandon Bean said over and over and over,
Starting point is 00:23:05 we weren't going to rush to judgment, especially with a player who's pounding the table. I didn't do this. Because ultimately, like I'm going to say over and over, no one knows except that player and except the girl and maybe the other players on the team that were involved in this situation. But I think they acted accordingly. And if he had played a different position, a star player, a star quarterback, yeah, he's probably not cut.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Welcome to pro sports. That's the way it works. He's cut simply because he's a late round pick and he's a punter. If he had been a different, more important position and a highly drafted, highly compensated, highly compensated player, I would imagine they would approach this differently. We know that. I don't understand why the media is consistently shocked by that. But Matt Arise's career, I would say until this, he's either completely exonerated from this situation,
Starting point is 00:24:01 he's not playing in the NFL. So in this situation, the way the courts in California work with the delays, it's not going to happen for a long time. So I think we've I guess what I'm saying is I have no issues with the way the Buffalo Bills handle this, especially reaching out around the league, reaching out around the league, and finding out that no teams had this information.
Starting point is 00:24:25 This was not something like when, sometimes when you go into a school and a guy has been in trouble, a lot of times it's public knowledge, right? Remember Baker Mayfield or Cam Newton stole laptops or whatever? So you go in asking about that. But you're not a detective in the sense of, if no one's ever been in trouble and no one's talking about anything, you can't just go, hey man, is this guy ever been in trouble for robbery? Has this guy ever been in trouble for a sexual assault?
Starting point is 00:24:50 And you'd be like, no, man, the team would look at you like, what are you talking about? So a lot of it just naturally comes out because guys, it's just kind of public knowledge. And even situations that aren't quote unquote public knowledge get spread around the scouting community. Multiple teams told me they covered this bad boy under the rug. talking about either San Diego State, the local police department, something. I can't put this on the NFL community. This information was not out there until this summer. And then even then, it did not go to the court system up until the last week.
Starting point is 00:25:23 And the bills acted accordingly. And last but not least on the football front, I watched Nebraska Northwestern. And I watched Pat Fitzgerald, who was one of the more respected guys in the business, who coaches at a school where academics are held to a higher regard than sports. In the Power 5, that's very rare. Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Stanford, I'd say Notre Dame, kind of. It's a short list.
Starting point is 00:25:57 And he went up against a school with, I'm not trying to talk shit about Nebraska. Because, listen, I'm just a state school guy. I went to school with the academic prowess, not even in the same world as Northwestern. and he not only hit them in the teeth and shoved them around, he coached circles around Scott Frost. Pat Fitzgerald, that guy is a big-time football coach. And when you watch his team play, you went the effort, the tenacity, how well coached they are, how tough they are,
Starting point is 00:26:27 and how they got NFL bodies flying around. It's not surprising that he's had success in the second best conference in the country over the last decade. now Scott Frost, who is now 15 and 30 in his career at Nebraska. I saw someone put it out on social media. If he won 50 straight games, he would still have a worse record than Bo Polini. Now, here's the thing. And a lot of people go, Scott Frost was so good at UCF.
Starting point is 00:26:58 What happened at Nebraska? And some people will say, well, you can't win at Nebraska in 2022. Bullshit. Good coaches win. wherever they go. Now, I don't mean if he was good coach, he would be Alabama or Ohio State, but he would not be 15 and 30. Some guys hit well in the minor leagues, and when they get to the big leagues, they can't hit a curveball. They can't hit the inside pitch. They have holes in their swing. And other guys, a small percentage keep raking. And those are the guys that make $200, $300 million.
Starting point is 00:27:33 And we call all-stars. Some guys coach at a lower level, Chris Peterson, Boise State, kicked everyone's ass for a decade. Then went to the University of Washington and took them to the playoffs. He thrived in the minor leagues, then he thrived in the big leagues. And what he did at UCF was impressive. It ain't the Power 5 and it sure as hell is not the Big 10. He got exposed. Now, I've heard Scott Frost is a good guy.
Starting point is 00:27:59 He was very successful as an assistant coach and as a non-power 5 head coach. He has been a complete disaster. at Nebraska. And a lot of times, and I'm a big believer in this, when you know, you know, we've all had jobs where we go, something's not off. I need to get out of here. And then you end up leaving, quitting, getting fired, whatever. And you look back two, three years, like, God, that's the best thing that ever happened to me. I should have left a year before. You've been in relationships where you're like, this is, I'm not marrying her. Why am I holding on? And then you break up and you look back and you go,
Starting point is 00:28:37 I knew way before we ended it. It happens all the time. I see divorced people that go, God, we stayed married like three years too long. And Nebraska knew this offseason. And the one thing they kept hammering home, and they kept hammering home on the broadcast was Scott Frost's record in close games,
Starting point is 00:28:58 which I would say in a one-season situation, no big deal. I remember years ago, John Harbaugh, had a year. It was the year I think that led them to get Ronnie Stanley. They lost a ton of one-score games. And you know what that turned out to be? An outlier. You know what John Harbaugh typically does? Wins goes to the playoffs. Scott Frost consistently loses tight games, just like he did against Northwestern in Ireland. That's the same thing that happened last year. That's the same thing that happened in previous years. And I was thinking like, if you're using that to brag how close you are, how embarrassing that actually is. Can you imagine? I know we got a lot of people
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Starting point is 00:30:15 to close, and then it just didn't quite work out. But we were really vibing. We were really vibing. But hey, they're going to go with the competition. Like, your job is to either sell. You either do it or you don't. A football coach's job is to win. you either win the game or you lose the game.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Now, individual games, we can nitpick every single game in the history of the sport, especially close games, which the majority of games in the Power 5 level and definitely the NFL are. So if you're associated with a guy who's always losing close games, do you know what you are? A bad football coach. You are not a good football coach. You know who wins a lot of close games? Andy Reid, Lincoln Riley, Nick. Sabin, Bill Belichick.
Starting point is 00:31:01 You can't have a winning record if you don't win close games. And if you're constantly losing these one score games, it's now a reflection. This guy isn't good. He was really famous. He came up the pipe with Chip Kelly, then he went to UCF.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Great. That is in the rear view mirror. The reality of what he is, in the big leagues, at the Big Ten. No one is expecting Nebraska except some crazy fans to win 10 games. Just win fucking 7 or 8. He can't. He cannot do that. And we just keep talking about his one score game record. We just have to acknowledge like a sales guy who doesn't generate any
Starting point is 00:31:42 business, like a coach who doesn't win any games. That's Scott Frost. He's not good at his job. And last of but not least, pivot a little really quick to golf. Rory McElroy won the Tour Championship. And it paid out $18 million. He's a third. three-time winner. He's had better seasons as a pro. Obviously, he didn't win a major this year, and he's won four of them. He's probably had years where he's won more. This was his third win of the year. But I don't think, actually I know, he's never had a more important season as a professional. What he meant to the PGA tour, him standing up for a tour that is holding on for dear life. They're about to lose Cam Smith. They're about to lose
Starting point is 00:32:28 Joaquin Neiman, I would say beside John Rom, the best Latino player. They're holding on to Hedeky for Dear Life. They're losing Harold Varner, one of the few black guys on tour, who's sponsored by Michael Jordan, who, me and Jason Sobel talked about last week, Michael Jordan is calling Harold
Starting point is 00:32:46 Varner for the last, like, three or four months weekly, begging him to stay on tour. Michael Jordan couldn't even convince the guy to stay, and he sponsors him. He's giving him more money. Harold Varner said no. And Rory McElroy and Tiger Woods, stood up there and acted like the commissioner consistently taking the bullets, but specifically Roar it because Tiger wasn't anywhere to be found for the majors.
Starting point is 00:33:07 He played in 15 events. He top 10 and 10 of them. He basically finished top five in every single major. He easily could have won the open. He came storming back at the Masters. He just, he had an elite all around season. But what he did off this, he made $27 million on the course, which I would imagine if you factor in his off-the-course earnings,
Starting point is 00:33:28 He probably had a $70-80 million year. Remember, for a long period of time in like the 2000s and the early 2010s, the highest paid athletes, it was always Tiger Woods was one. And he was making $5, $6, $10 million on the course, but he was making so much off the course. Phil had some moments where he was like top five. That's what Rory did this year. But Rory's impact as a spokesman for a league that was in wartime, that had a rival league that has more money, that has an unlimited amount of cash,
Starting point is 00:33:58 it has a much easier lifestyle, was attempting, not a coup, to destroy the PGA tour. And Rory stood up and Rory said, I'm going to do everything in my power not to let this happen. And he literally did. As a golf fan,
Starting point is 00:34:12 I had so much joy watching them play. I obviously had a ton of money on him at St. Andrews where he didn't come through and he lost. And I was emotional. I know he cried. But I thought today watching that level of golf and the one thing the PGA tour is going to consistently have overlive is the shit matters on Sundays. It just does because there is history behind it.
Starting point is 00:34:34 And I had someone in my DM say, you're being hard on live not mattering. It takes time for leagues to build up. I think the problem is the premise in which Liv was started by just an unlimited amount of money. It doesn't matter to any of these guys. It's hard for it to matter. Now, obviously, if you're competitive, you care about winning and losing, right? you try to win, whether it's on the 54th hole or the 72nd hole. But I'm a golf junkie, and I've watched some live, and it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Now, I watch a lot of PJ Tour golf where it doesn't matter either, but on Sunday, every freaking week it matters. And even today, where the difference between first and second place was $11.5 million. Think about that. Anyone that's listening that's played golf, $11.5 million was on the last. line basically between Scotty Sheffler and Rory McElroy. That's the swing. 18 million or 6.5 million.
Starting point is 00:35:30 And when I watched those guys play, it felt like they were playing to win. Not for the cash. Now, they're both super rich. Scottie Sheffler had already made $18 million. Rory's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. But that is still what the PGA tour has. And I think the way Rory talked about it after, I think this is still the most competitive league.
Starting point is 00:35:53 because of that and because of what it means for guys. I say the same thing about the NFL. When you watch Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes play last year in that playoff game, one guy makes $45 million, the other guy makes $46 million. It never crosses your mind how much money they're making. All that was on the line was winning that playoff game and the pride it meant to go play in the conference championship. And that to me, these guys in golf, they're all stupid rich.
Starting point is 00:36:20 that the top 30, 40 players are probably all worth 80, 90, obviously the top 10 guys are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. We're talking stupid cash. The richest guy in your neighborhood times 50. But when you watch them play on Sunday, no different in the NFL, no different than playoff baseball, or the March Madness, it's just about winning and losing. And that is a great advantage that the PGA tour has,
Starting point is 00:36:46 led by Rory, led by JT, led by Scotty Sheffler, that I don't think Live can even attempt to recreate in years to come. So as long as they can keep that going and keeping the money flowing, with Rory on the front lines, with Tiger right next to them, I think the PGA Tour has a chance to survive. I didn't quite think that probably three or four months ago once Greg started throwing huge cash at all these guys. Could be wrong.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Money talks, shit walks. But the PGA Tour is throwing a lot more money. And you just watch these tournaments. It just, what are they saying in the SEC? it just means more. Three and out podcast, subscribe. You listen on Collins feed. Middlecoff mailbag at John Middlecoff firing those DMs.
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