The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Brady/Bucs Marriage Meant to Be; Lines Still Win; Mahomes Tough as Hell; Wentz, Watson Wild QB Market; Mailbag

Episode Date: February 9, 2021

In this episode, John reacts to Brady winning his unprecedented 7th ring, how some luck led to the marriage between the two, why the Bucs again proved that NFL football is still won on the offensive and defensive lines, why Patrick Mahomes was impressive, looks at Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz and the rest of the QB's in a volatile offseason market, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag, Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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wins a ring. Three straight road playoff games in the NFC. Washington's see you. Drew Bree's last game, Adios. I'll see in the Hall of Fame when I'm ready to retire. Aaron Rogers, first NFC championship at Lambo, I win. Patrick Mahomes, we work you. Tom Brady, Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I mean, honestly, if you would have made a movie out of this. Maybe they make the playoffs, right, win a game, win the Super Bowl?

Probably not. It's an incredible accomplishment. There's not much to be said. He's going to go down. I mean, he's, I don't know, Tiger Jordan, Brady, Bill Russell, Muhammad, it's like a short list of just all-time greats. And in the modern day of the internet age, I don't know if he'll ever be matched,

at least in my lifetime. But there is an element, and listen, Tom Brady has dedicated his entire life to football. I say it all the time, he is obsessed with football, change his diet for football, change his sleep habits, for football. Change everything in his life for football.

And he's still clearly a pretty good family man. I mean, really good. I mean, he's close to his wife, his kids, he kisses him on the lips. He just feels like he's got it all figured out. Family life, on point with Giselle, career, all of his chips are in the middle of the table. And he's mastered the game of football.

But there is an element of Tom, and I think there's an element with any successful person where he did get a little lucky this year. I was listening to Tim Ferriss. I don't know if you ever heard his podcast. I think he wrote this book called like the Five Hour Work Week. Maybe it's the Four Hour Work Week, whatever. Business guy has on a lot of business people on his podcast.

It's a good listen. It has on people that, you know, you probably never hear talk unless maybe you're in that individual industry. And he had on this guy named Mark Randolph, who was the co-founder of Netflix. And he's talking about him and Reed Hastings, how they started Netflix. And at first it wasn't really working and they had these other ideas and they ended up at like a you know rental delivery and it was subscription and just how it's morphed and ultimately their business was set up a little bit like Amazon

They got lucky that times changed and they just rode this internet wave and eventually things became streaming and they were just so far ahead of the curve that they boat raced everybody They put people out of business but timing was on their side things that they couldn't control even though everything in their control, they maximized. And they tried different things. They failed at different things. Just like Tom, I'm sure, mastering the TB12, learn things, failed at things, learn to eat tomatoes, to not eat ice cream and make avocado ice cream. And you're just, in all seriousness, it's just life is trial and error.

But there becomes a point in time where things out of your control and you can say that hard work creates opportunity and there's no such thing as luck. I agree to a point, like Tom Brady's not successful because he's lucky, but him playing on the Bucks is a little lucky. He tried to join the 49ers last year, and I don't blame them. They were the best team in the league beside the Chiefs, right? He wanted to join them. He called the Niners, said, I won in, which at the time seemed smart.

Like, I'd want to join the Niners too if I was him. Hometown team, they just won 13 games, they'd run through the NFC, really good defense, offensive players, sweet coach. It was like, God, it made a lot of sense. The Niners said no. Think how many times in life things that are out of your control, you try to do business with someone, you try to ask someone out if you're single, and you get a no on the other end.

Even though if they would have said yes, you would have gladly got on a date. You would have gladly became partners. And they just say, no, nothing you can do. No fault of his own. Like his career spoke for itself, right? which ultimately, as Adam Schaefter tweeted out, really there were two teams interested in him, which looking back is kind of crazy.

He's Tom freaking Brady. Only two teams wanted him. He didn't necessarily, I don't think, set off when he left the Patriots, and we can rehash that all we want, whether he wanted to leave, whether Belichick was over him, regardless, it was time. Sometimes in life, it's just time to go your separate ways,

even if you're successful together. Not all divorces and messy. I actually don't even think the Patriots is him ended that messy. It was just time. They went their separate ways. Now, Tom had more success clearly this year than Belichick, but I don't think Belichick really regrets it. Like, it was just, they went their separate ways. High-level people. It happens all the time. But Tom was forced into the situation, like, where was he going to go? And I remember Schaefter being on TV last year. Like, I don't think people are underestimating. I remember Florio was writing this too.

Tom Brady's market isn't that crazy. It's not that robust. Now, props to the bucks for being in position with a really good defense, loaded offensive players, you know, a coach that has had some success, a general manager that had a relationship with, you know, had been around him in New England, and it was set up, but Tom wasn't like, I'm going to the box when he left New England. He wanted to go to the Niners.

Sometimes things in life, you get forced a certain way, even though you don't necessarily start walking that way, but big picture you look back, you're like, thank God I ended up here. I can speak for experience. I never would be doing what I'm doing in the podcast field, doing this with Colin, doing stuff on YouTube, just doing where everything's going.

If my radio show hadn't been canceled, I would have been cool with just, you know, making six figures, working in radio, it was kind of an easy life. I was forced into it, and it just, it led to where I'm at now, which I couldn't be happier. Think how many people of you listening right now who are at a job,

who are married, or dating a girl that just kind of by happenstance, led through a friend, not necessarily, like it just got set up. Things that were out of your control are the reason that you ended up meeting that business partner was like, hey, bro, come over to this party. And you just, the things that you wanted didn't happen. And sometimes that's for the best. But at the time, you never feel.

I bet Tom Brady, I doubt he would ever admit this, when he reached out to the 49ers, like, I want in. And they're like, you know, we're going to stick with Jimmy. has got to be thinking to himself, are you fucking kidding me? You're choosing Jimmy Garoppolo over Tom Brady? And listen, I'm raising my hand. I'm guilty as charged.

I was someone that said like, yeah, I'd probably keep rolling with Jimmy. Like, that was a disastrous decision. The Chargers, I mean, they were interested to. I think it worked out pretty well for them. They ended up with Justin Herbert. He had this great rookie year. And for Tampa Bay, when the dust settled,

Tom looked around, it went, teams loaded on offense, teams excellent on defense. Now they haven't made the playoffs in over a decade. But that's where I come in. I set the tone. I'm the greatest teammate ever. I help lead these guys.

I'm a much better player in Jamest. So from a football standpoint, we're going to be much better on the field. There's going to be trial and error because it's Corona. But he got somewhat lucky to be with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was not his first choice. Hell, I think, you know, from what I've heard, I don't even know if it was a second choice. But that's how it ended up.

And that's all that matters now is he could retire, which he's not going to, he's a Tampa Bay Buccaneers legend. His name will go on the Wall of Fame. Hell, you could build him a statue and I don't know anything, any person would think it was that crazy. But this notion that like

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you can have in the different trucks. I have family in the beer business. Heavily regulated industry. Heavily. Me personally, I work on the Internet. It is the Wild Wild West. There literally aren't any rules. They're being made up as they go.

It's pretty incredible. probably be what it was like in America and like the tens and the 20s and the 30s for just normal businesses. There weren't really rules because business started growing so fast it was ahead of the time of the lawmakers. Most of the lawmakers

in relation to the internet are 60, 70, 80 years old. They got no fucking clue what's going on. They couldn't even begin to regulate it if they try. That's why everyone on the internet right now if you know what you're doing, I'm not pretending to know, be that guy. I'm just saying that like all the big businesses,

Google, Apple, Amazon, running circles around everybody. They can do whatever they want, or at least have been able to for a long period of time. That will eventually end. The regulations on the Internet in my lifetime, and if you're kind of close to my age in your 30s, we're like 50, 60 looking back, I'm going to tell my kids, God, I was able to just copy and paste and rip video.

You do that now, you go to jail. I'm just using that as an example. You never know. but like the rules are going to be insane on the internet in 20 years. We'll be nothing what it is like right now. Nothing. I promise you. And listen, I bet it many people like, yeah, it's coming.

Within the next couple decades. I'm not talking like just social media apps. I'm just talking about overall business on the internet. It's so ahead of the lawmakers. Forever, if you watched old football games, Steve Atwater, I think he got inducted to the Denver Bronco Hall of Fame or I don't think he's an actual Hall of Fame or he's been in the mix, maybe he got in the Hall of Fame last year

but he, the Denver Broncos tweeted something about Steve Atwater and it was like I was at my desk, you know, it was later in the afternoon I'm like, I want to YouTube some Steve Atwater clips. And one of the first clips that came up of Steve Atwater and this isn't that long ago. This is, you know, 97 when he's playing Farv in the Super Bowl, Farr throws this ball down the seam and Atwater

It might have been to Antonio Freeman Atwater misses Freeman Because Freeman kind of ducks hits the corner and everyone is dead Like the corner Coed Atwater knocked out It's a play now That if you watch football all year long

College and Pro you do not see It does not exist You can't play like that Why those hit And listen, I'm a sucker. Like, I got, my juices got flowing watching at Water Hit like that. But those, they've been regulated out of the game. When me and my other podcast, Guy, we went down to interview John Lynch a couple years ago.

And we were bullshitting with him and we had an iPad with us. And Guy showed him clips of his playing days, right, in the late 90s. And he's like, do you think you could, kind of kidding with him, but like, could you even play today? Like, how many of these are flags? And Lynch kind of downplays it. The reality is every single one of John Lynch's hits were all flags. You've been like thrown out of the league. The league has changed.

For the better, for the worst, whatever. It's safer now. They had to do it big picture. You could not hit anybody. We all agree. We watched the Super Bowl yesterday. It's over-regulated. I'm more of an offensive guy.

I consider myself an offensive guy. Not that I, you know, played in the NFL or anything. I just gravitated more toward offensive coaches. Maybe Pat Hill, offensive guy. Andy Reid, offensive guy. I kind of learned in offensive operations, but I love watching defense, and I actually feel bad for defenders.

Defense, I hate defensive holding. Why is defensive holding on 3rd and 15 an automatic first down? It's a five-yard penalty. You know, I hate tic-tack pass interference. What happened to the uncatchable ball? I'll tell you, they don't give a shit. They want offense, offense, offense, offense,

pays the bills. Think about the quarterback. When I was growing up, quarterbacks were constantly like carted off the field. They were free game. Defensive players had been waiting all week long because they're never allowed to touch the quarterback except for game day.

Now, even on game day, you're not really allowed to touch them. It's regulated, right? You touch them, you get penalized. It's not a smart play. So guys have had to change. There is one place on the football field that is unregulated, you know, to a point that you can play physical and do crazy shit.

And that's the line of scrimmage. Defensive and offensive lineman. To me, the most important position by a mile, we all know that. It's not even arguable. It's quarterback. End of story, period, point blank. No one argues that. I don't think we talk enough about offensive and defensive lineman.

Because that is the one area on the field, your four-down linemen, your five offensive linemen, where it gets still old school physical football. And if you can dominate on either side, you have a huge point of difference. And last year, the Chiefs, when their offensive line was better because they had Eric Fisher and they had Mitchell Schwartz were holding on for dear life. Why? Because the 49ers defensive line was kicking their ass.

Because the 49ers defensive line was unreal. It had DeForest Buckner. Colts fans, you guys know, the guy's an ass kicker. It had armstead, playing great. It had Bosa, rookie year, awesome. Did all these dudes just come and, come and coming, come and. It's hard to block it if you have good offensive linemen. Well, in this Super Bowl, one thing I discounted a little bit,

And then I realized at the moment they kind of said the starting lineups, like, I'm sorry, I'm not reading about, like, offensive line dominoes. Once I knew Eric Fisher was out, I already knew Mitchell was out. I just assumed some backups are going to play. But I'm not dumb, like, once they started telling, like, explaining, well, they moved the backup right tackle, who had been filling in for Schwartz, they bumped him over to left, they brought in the four-stringer to right tackle, or actually they moved the guard to right tackle,

and they brought in a backup to play right guard. Once Romo said that or Jim Nance at the beginning of the game, I was like, whoa, this is a problem. Because the Buccaneers' point of difference is their front seven and really is their defensive line. JPP and Shaq Barrett, those guys are monsters. Sue and Vita Vaya, when they care, they're unblockable. And you're allowed to hit people as hard as you can. You don't get flags thrown. Not like you do in the secondary.

Not like you do in the middle of the field. Not like you do around the quarterback. you are allowed to wreck shop at the line of scrimmage. And that's what happened. There's nothing the chiefs could do. Because you could say, well, they should have brought more tight ends. It should have done an extra blocking. In football, at the end of the day, a tackle or a guard or whatever

gets put in a position where they're one-on-one with a defensive alignment. And you can't, they were just getting smoked all day long. Mahomes was running for his life. He had no shot. Because it wasn't just one guy. It was multiple guys. It wasn't like, you know, the Bucks had Reggie White Jr. And he was just making play.

It wasn't that. All their guys, constantly in the offensive backfield. And it's the one area where the refs let it go. Thank God, because, you know, it's actually, it's football, you should. But let's face it, the football in the NFL college too, that we grew up watching, you know, if you've been watching football 30, 40 years or whatever, we all acknowledge it looks dramatically different. Just, you know, YouTube some highlights from the 90s.

The 90s isn't that long ago, even though 95 now is 25 years ago. Watch football. Watch Steve Atwater. Watch John Lynch. Watch these guys play. You didn't see anything like that now. That doesn't exist. Which, I miss a little.

I'll be completely honest. But it is what it is. It's over. It's not coming back. Not after the concussion lawsuits and the misuse. and the media freak, like that's never changing. So we're going to get more of a seven-on-seven league, which that's just the reality of football moving forward

for the health long-term of the league. But they're never going to be able to do that to the line of scrimmage. You're not going to be able to call an offensive guard a defenseless player. It always bothers me. Like, you know, the safety took out a defenseless wide receiver. A defenseless wide receiver, the fucking guy was running across the field. He knew the risk involved. He was running across the risk involved.

There are defenders all over the place. He's not a defenseless wide receiver. When the gazelle sprints across the Serengeti, he understands there are lions roaming around. Move at your own risk. But you can run across the middle of the field now and you're not at risk of getting headhunted, taken out. But you are if you're a tackle, you are if you're a guard.

Cousoo, JPP, whoever you may have, right? Could be Aaron Donald, could be the Bosa brothers, could be Khalil Mack, could be any decent defensive lineman. Keem Hicks, Frank Clark, you name it. They're coming for you, relentlessly if they're good. And the referees do not protect you. You have to be good enough to block them. And the Chiefs, once the dominoes of their tackles being out

and moving guys around, it was too much to overcome. And as a coach in the league told me, after he played Tampa, he's like, I think that's the best front seven in the league. And I think the way their front four is playing right now as a unit, probably the best front four in the league right now. That was just remarkable to watch those guys play. Okay, let's dive into the Kansas City Chiefs. And let's face it, when you talk about the Kansas City Chiefs,

you talk about their star, $400 million man, their quarterback, MVP, Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP, Patrick Mahomes. He set the bar incredibly high. He's a superstar player. And I had mentioned, I think last, was it, yeah, last Friday's podcast that last week I had watched the 2000, it was the 18th season, but it was played in 2019, the AFC championship game. Mahomes first year starting at Arrowhead. And I had Instagram some highlights from that game, some like incredible throws that Mahomes had made. Remember the ball that Edelman,

you know, barely missed his finger on the punt, and a bunch of people had DM'd me. Not just Chiefs or Patriot fans, but just NFL fans are like, I think that's the best game ever played. I watched the second half was like this is an incredible drama Patriots won in overtime just an incredible game you know it's just an all-time game the Super Bowl that just happened

kind of a dud let's be real first half was good because you keep you kept holding out hope that Mahomes could bring them back as the game went on it was clear that was not going to happen they couldn't block

he was limping around running for his life he had no shot but one thing that I noticed in that game and sometimes I forget because I talk about it all the time. We talk so much about quarterbacks. Arm strength, mobility, accuracy. I just don't know if we hammer home enough the intangible stuff.

The work ethic, the intelligence, that's mandatory. Like if you're not a hard worker at quarterback, you got no fucking chance. None. Like, sorry, you will be out of the league. And we've seen it recently. Dwayne Haskins couldn't even make it past year two. because he just couldn't shape in, couldn't figure it out. Now that's a really low bar,

but just the price of admission to be a starting NFL quarterback, the work ethic you have to have is incredible. Like that's just part of the package. To understand football, you also have to just have that. Toughness, though, is one of those things that we don't talk enough about toughness with quarterbacks. And I had noticed it in that 2018-19 AFC championship. Mahomes is incredibly tough. He isn't scared of a damn thing.

And sometimes it can be his worst enemy, right? He takes some bad hits because he's keeping plays alive. Like Tom doesn't play like that. Now Tom can't. Tom can't move like he can't. But the one thing that was very, very clear in the Super Bowl for a guy that was running for his life, every single play had multiple defensive linemen coming after.

It was crazy. I mean, it was insane. Him doing 360s, running away from defensive tackles and defensive linemen, shedding guys as he's throwing. His toughness is elite. I feel better about Patrick Mahomes after that game. We already know he's great. We already know he can dominate.

Now, he's got to stay healthy, and there's got to be a balance of living to fight another play and keeping plays alive, and it's hard. It's probably the downfall. ultimately immobile quarterbacks, is they just end up taking hits. I do think the next iteration for Mahomes is kind of what Rogers had to learn into his mid-30s, but Mahomes, because they're paying him so much money, they're so dependent on him, and let's face it, he's been banged up the last two years.

He had a knee dislocation last year. He had a foot deal this year just running around. We got to strike a balance. I do not want you to play like Manning or Brady because you bring something to the table rolling out and keeping plays alive. But I also need to find a meet a middle ground where when the play is not there to be made, you almost got to throw up a white flag.

Because I've invested in you, if I'm Clark Hunt or I'm Andy Reid or I'm Brett Beach, for really this next decade, you pay all of our salaries. You are carrying this franchise. Your health, our success depends on your health. And no one questions anything about what you bring to the table. Your talent unparalleled, right?

Unquestions, it's elite. My mom could figure that out. You don't need to be Parcells or Bill Walsh to go, God, this guy's a transcendent talent. We get that. Everyone understands that. The intangible stuff. We're all learning, I mean, I knew this because I know people there.

You're hearing this through me or any story you read. His intangible stuff is special. His toughness, no one has to even question that. And that's something I think sometimes it takes a little while to learn about a quarterback. We're already three years into his starting career. Toughness is elite. If I was like a baseball scout, I'd put a plus next to it.

Now we need to find a balance. We need you on the field, and we need you to be alive. Yesterday, nothing he could have done about that. I found myself respecting him more, doing everything humanly possible. I think a lot of times you find this out about an athlete. I remember someone told me this when you're scouting. The best time to scout a player,

especially if they're on a bad team, and this isn't the case with the homes, obviously, is watch the tape in the second half of blowouts. Are they going through the motions, or are they still playing their ass off? It was one of the reasons that Coach Reid, I remember, loved Nick Fools. He was on a terrible Arizona team,

but he played his ass off till the last whistle. He was just trying to make play after play until the game ended. And it is a characteristic you want in a player. When loser draw, I give you everything I have, until the final whistle was blown. I think we all learned that, right? At some point in our time in our life, when we're young.

The first team we're on, our parents teach us when we like hate playing Little League and we want to quit and you're told you are not allowed to quit. You have to see things through. And I think sometimes that gets under-talked about with professional athletes. Because you're like, oh, of course they try hard. No, they don't.

Not everyone does. Some guys, you know, one term I learned when I was in the NFL was some guys are front-runners. When things are going well, it's easy to be excited. Right? If like, think of your businesses. When business is good, like everyone's kind of coming in, chest pumped out, getting those bonuses, new cars in the parking lot, sweet vacations.

What about when our session hits? And your company has to lay off 20% of the people. And everyone's holding on for dear life. Does the guy, is everyone acting the same? And with a quarterback, you know, there is a balance that you need to have. Mahomes, like, gives the effort in that game. Obviously, you know, it's a little bigger of a game. But if you watched him play week seven against some random team,

he's giving you the same effort. I actually think that's what he has a lot in common with Tom Brady. You got to drag them off the field. They will not quit, no matter how shitty it was. They were getting their ass kicked in the second half of that game. I mean, absolutely destroyed. It was 31 to 10 in the fourth quarter, and Mahomes was playing every playoff.

like he was trying to score a touchdown. You got to respect it. You just do, because some guys, we've seen it, will just be like, yeah, I'm over it. It crossed my mind, like, do they put in Chad Haney? I would imagine if Coach Reed tried to put in Chad Haney, Patrick Mahomes would not be happy about it. And we know he's going to need surgery on the foot.

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but tends to be a pretty good investment over the history of time. Now, some housing markets in different areas can be devastating when the economy turns. Just like some quarterbacks that you invest a lot in, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz cannot reap great rewards, right? And I think we found out this weekend, Carson Wentz, like in Philly, it's over. he's going to get traded. Then we have a ton of other names. Deshawn Watson, what's going to happen to him? Is Derek Carr going to be traded?

Jimmy Garoppolo. Is Marriota going to get dealt? You just start going through. Like, it's going to be pretty crazy. And with the real estate analogy, I think about it all the time. I'm not going to stay in the Bay Area much longer. Is that six months?

Is that a year? Is that two? I don't know. But my head's already kind of moving because it doesn't pencil for me to stay here. It's always on my mind. Now, it doesn't mean like I don't have the money to go exactly where I want to go yet, but like whether it's Scottsdale, whether

it's Vegas, wherever, something that's more conducive to my business, that pencils. It doesn't pencil for me to buy a house in the Bay Area for quadruple what it would cost for me to go somewhere else. My taxes would be lower, easy for me to expand my business, it's just cheaper. It just makes more sense, right? But if I was at a certain point in my life, I might not worry about that. Like certain teams with their quarterbacks don't necessarily worry about. the price, right? The guy's so good, Aaron Rogers, who gives a shit. It's why they're saying,

like, we're not trading him. We don't care if he costs $30, $40 million. He's staying. A lot of super rich people around me, they're like, listen, California sucks paying all these taxes, but I make so much money, I don't even care. For me, it's like, I can make way more, it'd be more business conducive to go somewhere else. And I think when you look at the real estate market, right, you got to know how much money you have. How much wherever you're going to go, how much it costs to live there, given what you want. And then you can figure it out.

Now, are you willing to overpay? I had a wise man tell me a long time ago that I think a lot of people overthink buying a home. You spend so much time there, especially like in my job, right? I would be there a lot. I'd have a home office, could do everything I need to do. So if you're like, well, do I want to spend extra couple hundred thousand to get the space?

Well, that's your home. It's literally where you live. So I think people worry about that. It's why I think with the quarterback situation, like, should we trade this extra, you know, first round pick for Deshaun Watson? Well, if you want a sweet quarterback, yeah, you probably should. So let's look at the quarterback market. Because Deshaun Watson, to me, clearly the Texans don't want to trade them,

but the organization is a joke. Every video that goes viral or guts on social media about Jack Easterbee makes me have Deshawn Watson's back even more. I would also want to get away from that guy. So I'm in complete support of Deshawn Watson. Here's the problem. Deshawn Watson is the equivalent of a mansion. If you want to move into the mansion,

you've got to have two things. You've got to have a shitload of money because mansions are expensive. I.e., you got to trade a ton of picks for Deshawn Watson. And then part of the thing you realize, like, hell, in my condo, I get a big tax bill every year. All my home owners, condo owners, real estate investors. You guys know the property taxes.

You're like, yeah, I just own a home now. Well, actually you get a 7, 8, 10, 15, however much, you know, depending on what you pay for it, you get this tax bill. You got to pay for that. So you buy a Deshawn Watson $10 million home. Your property tax bill is massive. Deshawn makes a ton of money. He's expensive.

So it's a double whammy. You got to pay a ton to get him, and then he just costs a lot of money because he's on a big contract. But the mansion suite. guaranteed to like your home. You're going to like your quarterback. So I wouldn't be opposed to doing it if I'm a certain team. To me, it's the easiest to justify. Because you're like, the thing is, like,

not everyone has the money, right, to buy a mansion. Every team has first round draft picks. You just have to decide whether you're willing to pay him, right, rather to give him for Deshaun, assuming that they're going to make him available, which I talked to someone in the league, I think Deshawn needs to make it a little uglier. You need to tell them verbatim,

I am never playing another snap. for you. I can't stand this franchise. I can't stand Jack Easterby. I want to leave here. You got to make it ugly. James Harden did it. It's a little harder in football, but we've seen it work. Jalen Ramsey did it. Cahillow Mc did it. You got to dry a hard line in the sand. And then it helps the teams bidding on you to understand like, this guy means business. He's available. So that to me would be my recommendation for Deshawn Watson. He's the mansion. Then you have Carson West, who is a very, very expensive fixer-upper, right? Because, one, the Eagles are not giving him away.

Reports this weekend, they wanted two-ones and a two. I don't think they're going to get that. But they're still going to get, I would imagine, like, a one and a two. You'd be like, Middle-Coth, did you watch and play? I did, he was terrible. He was arguably the worst starting quarterback in the league. But he's 6'5, he has immense talent, and we've seen it before. Now, he's got issues.

Does he get along with his teammates? I don't know. Why does the organization like him? I don't know. There are some red flags on the guy. But this is a talent business. Now at quarterback, it's about more than talent. I talk about that all the time.

But his talent is so, you know, he just has, his physical gifts are so elite that I think people will look past that. And you have to dig in. I have to call all his former coaches. I'd have to really look around and try to really get to the bottom of, what's up with this guy?

Beside the poor play. because ultimately if I'm a team willing to trade for him, my coach is making $8 to $10 million. He's ego's big enough. He thinks he can fix him up, right? Now, like Deshawn Watson once you get him, he's expensive. He makes a lot of money. So as the equivalent of the property taxes, he ain't cheap.

Now, Deshawn Watson's not cheap either, but his house is sweet, ready to move in. Carson Wentz, you know, you need to subcontract some work. We need to knock down some walls. We need to expand the kitchen. might need to add a pool in the backyard. Watson's house comes with it all. Bad ass. Driving range, movie theater, 10 car garage, got it all. Carson got some problems. But here's the thing with Carson. If you invest correctly in this fixer upper, his return on investment here could be great. Because if you trade a one and a two,

and trust me, the moment, if someone does trade a one and two, let's say the bears or the Colts, people like, oh my God, I can't believe they paid that much for Carson Wentz. Like I said with a house, you can't overpay for a house if once you're in it, you like it. If you get Carson Wentz and he becomes a good player and he becomes a pro bowl level player, that's stealing. Because he's under contract and clearly he has the talent to be a pro bowl player. So if you can get that out of him, if you have that vision and you can figure out the off-the-field stuff, like, what's his deal off the field? Like is he mentally soft?

Can he not handle getting coaching? Because we're blowing Brady. Brady's, you could argue, one of his greatest attributes is he loves to get coached. He loves to get screamed at. He loves to be held to high standards. He lives for that. Carson feels like the opposite. It's always someone else's fault.

It's never on me. Like Carson, this is the NFL. This is the big leagues. Now, I lived in Philly. That's a crazy place. It's really, really intense. I do think the market for Carson could be really beneficial. Now you can say, well, John, maybe if he's mentally soft, that might not change.

But it's a little easier to be mentally soft, probably in Indianapolis, more than Philly or Boston. Those places will eat you alive. Remember when Adrian Gonzalez, they signed, the Red Sox signed him, and he hated it. And it was just like, God, he wanted out. Like, not everyone can handle the Boston Red Sox. I saw it with Kung Fu Panda. He went there, he completely failed. He just ate him alive.

Then he came back to the Giants and he was good. Adrian Gonzalez got traded back to the Dodgers. I guess he was never on the Dodgers. He came to the Dodgers and he was excellent for him. Some guys just thrive in different environments. Like Tom Brady could play in any environment. Could be in the Bay Area. You could put him in Texas.

You can put him in Florida. You could put him in New England. Any type fans, he's going to kick the shit out of people. Peyton Manning, same deal. They could thrive. Michael Jordan doesn't matter. Most guys, you know, a little dependent. Like, what would Russell Wilson be like

if he was in New York. Would it look exactly the same? Like Seattle's pretty easy market to be in. Hell, the Bay Area is really easy market to be in. It really is. It's not as intense. Even though football's like really big here. Just Arizona. Same deal. It's just not as big a deal. Go to New York.

You go to Philly. Even like Chicago, I think, could be a little tough. You know, it's not easy. So to me, the market where Carson goes, but his, the potential for an ROI on that guy to flip his career around and be an excellent player to me is high. I think Donald's a fascinating one. I think Donald's one of those like homes, if we're going to stick with the home analogy.

I've never had a lot of money after a recession. But like back in 08 and 09, everyone, like the people that had some cash, they went bargain hunting. You could find homes that were being short-sailed for just so dirt cheap. And then over the next five, six years, depending on the market, you double-tripled the house.

and what's fascinating about Darnold is you're not sure he's any good his stats to be real are pretty terrible he's not a 60% passer in three years he basically has a one to one touchdown to interception ratio and if I wanted to argue for Darnold

then go well the Jets disaster gays talent around him sucked there are arguments on both sides to me if you can buy low I'm not into paying a lot for Donald Darnold to me is, can I get him for like a third round pick? Now, Schefter told me on my other podcast that he thought he was going for first.

I don't know if that's necessarily true. I wouldn't, I couldn't trade a first round pick for him. Could I give like two threes? Because I can give two threes. Then I'm buying really low, right? Like if you're a real estate investor and you spend 200 grand on some crappy house, if it fails and, you know, you're doing millions upon millions of business, not the end of the world.

but if that $200,000 house turns in in five years to a million dollar house, you're feeling pretty good about yourself. To me, if Sam Donald, he never has to be a pro bowler, but if he can just be a high-level starter, you know, somewhere between like 14 to like 7 or 8, you're feeling pretty good. That's the question, I don't know the answer.

Turns the ball over a lot, but he's young. He's only 23 years old. It'll be 24 years old this summer. I think the potential, because Carson, you've got to spend, right? You're going to have to give him a first round pick. and there is a chance he might just stink. Deshawn is good, but you have to just, you know, basically sell the farm for.

Which, if your team's equipped, like I said, the Miami Dolphins, you're good to go. Hit the ground running. Don't even flinch. Boom, make the playoffs next year. To me, Darnold, like, could Darnold turn into the equivalent of a Carson Wentz, maybe even be more consistent, and be way cheaper when you get him? Now, he's going into his fourth year, so you've got to pick up his fifth-year option, I'm in no rush to give any extensions,

basically get them on a two-year $30 million contract, and just see if I, you know, got something. And if I don't, I pivot in a couple years. Now, it'd have to be a coach with options or a coach with stability, like a Sean Payton, like a Frank Reich, like a Kyle Shanahan. You tell me, one of those offensive coaches

get Sam Darnold, they can't make him a player? And then the cheap, cheap flyer. Now, this is, you might lose your money on this one, but this guy started a ton of games in the NFL. he won a playoff game. He's also on a cheap contract. He makes $10 million. So basically like Trevor Lawrence

will make $10 million next year. If you could trade like a fourth or fifth round pick to get Marcus Marriota, Marcus was not good as last year in Tennessee. But last year, Carr got injured in a Thursday night game against the Chargers. And Mariotta came out into the game cold. He was really good in that game.

You saw he looked healthy. He was running around making plays. He was actually pretty accurate throwing the football in that game. He played winning football. So if you're thinking about maybe drafting a quarterback, but you want to have some insurance, maybe a Trey Lance, maybe a Justin Fields won't be ready to go, what if I get Marriota for a fourth round pick at $10 million?

That's pretty good insurance. And plus, like, I'm not, my expectations with him are pretty low. But I know he has a history of playing in the league. He's had success in the NFL, and he's not that expensive. because to me the key is you have to be comfortable with what you're buying, right? If you're spending a million dollars on a home,

you're going to have pretty high standards. If you spend $100,000 in a home, your standards aren't as high. If you buy Deshawn Watson, he's got to be a Hall of Famer because that's the equivalent of buying a mansion. It better be the best house on the block. Carson is just a risky move,

but your expectations are still really high. Mariotta's expectations are actually pretty low. You might go in like, we'll see who wins the job. Mariotta or Trey Lance, right? if you're one of these teams. Because you're not giving up your high pick. You're not giving up your first round pick. You can still trade up in the draft.

It leaves you flexibility. The moment you get Wentz, the moment you get Deshawn, you don't have any flexibility. There's no drafting a young quarterback. Your picks are gone. So I think the key is all these organizations are doing, and they've probably been doing these the last couple months, maybe not last couple months, excuse me, last couple weeks,

is determining how much they're comfortable in spending on a quarterback. what they are willing to give up to get. And then once they get that guy, what they think the upside. Because you're basically running what the potential of your acquisition is going to be. Like, you're not trading for Carson Wentz

if you don't think he can get back to his pro ball for him. Right? You're trading for Sam Darnold. You don't know if he can be a pro ball or not. You have no clue. If anything, his film would tell you know. But you do think that maybe you can get the most out of the guy. Where I do think Mariotta is kind of guy

flying under the radar, who I could pair with a rookie quarterback and have a little bit of an insurance policy if that guy wasn't ready. Okay, Middilcoff mailback at John Middilcoff, Instagram handle. You guys know the drill. I have so many DMs, it's pretty incredible.

You know, it feels good to be a dude and just have an unlimited amount of dudes in their DMs. It is a lot of football talk. Love listen to the show. Appreciate it. There's the new version of tight ends like Kelsey who are basically just big wide receivers, who are virtually useless as blockers. Then there's the old school tight ends like Gronk,

who can still hurt you in the passing game but can actually block defensive ends, one-on-one and hold their own. Kelsey's receiving numbers will most likely dwarf Gronks by the time they both retire, but you can't overstate the value of having a tight-end like Gronk who can manhandle a defensive lineman. what do you think? Well, if you had to take one guy in their prime, you would take Gronk,

because you would take a guy that can do both. Kelsey is going to go down, like you said, as the best pass-catching tight end ever. I think he's going to shatter all the records. But Gronk is going to go down as the greatest tight end of all time, right? You saw in that game, he was manhandling people with a line of scrimmage. And then when he's healthy, he can move, he can run, He's got butter hands.

He's just an all-time great player. I follow George Kittle on Instagram, and he was just like, the guy's the goat, you know? And I think Kittle is kind of, he's smaller than Gronk, but is a great blocker. It's just not Kelsey's deal.

But in fairness, like, who cares? Kelsey's so good as a wide receiver, it doesn't matter. And most times, like, you don't get Gronk as a blocker in that good in the passing game. There's kind of like a happy medium. He's just, he's got to be one of the most unique players in the NFL. history just because he is such a dominant blocker.

Carson Wentz trade talks. Do you believe the rumors are coming from the Eagles or Wentz camp? I just believe that the rumors are, he's just going to get traded. I don't think these are rumors coming from camps. I think it's just teams are calling. He's about to get dealt. In the next, I'd say 10 days, maybe that's too long. Maybe the next week could happen this week.

By the time I do a podcast for Friday, he might be on a different team. team. I think when the stuff was getting leaked, you know, a different point in time over the last couple years with Carson, like the player in the locker room that didn't like him. And then remember everyone thought it was Alshan. And then Alshan claimed it wasn't him. And then this year, Carson said he was going to demand a trade and it was like, who leaked that? It had to come from Carson's camp. We can play that game all we want. These stories are just, teams are calling. He's about to get dealt. I just, I just think it's that simple. He's done. His time with the Eagles is over. What the actual fuck are the Packers doing hiring Joe Barry as the new defensive coordinator?

Two young up-and-coming guys, they interviewed, and they go with this old retread who's never had a top 16 defense when he was in charge. I really think they dropped the ball on this one. Hope Rogers could still make a few runs if we had a good D to back him up, but I have my doubts. What do you think? I think this one's pretty simple. One, I think Joe Barry's kind of getting unfairly kind of crapped on.

here. He's 50. He's not 70. He's been a defensive coordinator a couple times for not very long. Now, is it an inspiring hire? Of course not. It is a little NFL, you know, people hire their friends. It does have that feel.

Right? I mean, you hire Joe Barry. Why? Because they knew him from the Rams. Now, sometimes you hire a guy because you knew him, right? Andy Reid hired Steve Smacknola two years ago because he knew him. Because they had worked together before. And people thought that was a bad hire. Then they won the Super Bowl with his defense playing pretty good.

Robert Saleh, who's now a head coach, do you know the reason Kyle Shanahan hired him? Because he knew him. They had worked together. So a lot of times for younger and older coaches, you just hire guys you're comfortable with. And I don't know much detail into this in the sense of like how close the other guys were.

I will give LaFleur credit on this one. He was on the right guy in Jim Leonard. Jim Leonard is going to be a head coach one day in college or the NFL. He is a star defensive coordinator right now at Wisconsin. He turned him down. So it's like, what did I say about the luck thing? Sometimes you offer someone a job, you know, you DM a girl, see if she wants to get a drink. They just say no.

What are you supposed to do? You're like, that was my future wife. She just DM'd me or she said no. Or I have a boyfriend. Like Jim Leonard, I have a good job. I don't want your job. What's he supposed to do? Now, you could say not go with a retread.

You know, I wouldn't call a guy a retread if he's only been a defensive coordinator on pretty bad teams, right, for not that long. Let me bring up his bio. I'm not saying he's going to be great, but he's a Monty Kiffin guy. And again, LaFleur is comfortable with him. so he was a defensive coordinator for Washington in 15 and 16

the team was terrible and he was the defensive coordinator of the Lions in 0708 so he's been a defensive coordinator twice on awful teams he was an assistant head coach linebacker coach the last couple years for the Rams and they were fantastic Sean McVeigh really likes him I don't know man I don't think this is like as crazy as Mike Nolan being the D.C. or just some of these hires we've seen over the years. Because again, I give Matt LaFleur, I guess his brother's Mike, I get Matt and Mike mixed up,

Matt LaFleur. I give him credit. He was on 100% the right guy. That guy just said, I'm staying. And that happens sometimes in football, right? You go after the best defensive coordinator in college. It actually happens a lot, a lot. It just doesn't get out. And that guy turned you down. and this is the problem right now, I think, for NFL. You used to, 10 years ago, if you offered a college coordinator job, an NFL coordinator job, 1 million percent they take it. Well, now you make so much money in college like Wisconsin can pay Jim Leonard $1 million,

$2 million. They can pay them a lot of money. Big Ten money. It's flowing, huge cash. Back in the day, it might have been double or tripled your money. And maybe the Packers were willing to pay them. problem with Jim Leonard is he's in NFL he's got a little money, right?

So he's not driven by money. He's driven by comfort. He's driven by, he's got options. He didn't have to take the job. Now, if I was talking with Jim Leonard, I'd say, what are your aspirations? Do you want to be an NFL head coach? Because you go to the Packers,

you make their defense good, you'll be an NFL head coach in a year, max too. And he might say, well, are you sure I can't become a head coach from the Wisconsin defensive courts? and I'd say, no, I'm not, actually, but probably not. I don't know what his aspirations are.

But I do give a floor in the Packers credit. They were on the right guy. I'm just starting to dabble into the stock market. I'm not going to front. I know nothing about it. I have the pucker factor when thinking about investing money outside of my IRAs. Can you suggest any reading audio sites or anything useful? for a new bee.

Thanks, my man, and cheers. Now, this is going to sound kind of crazy. I don't, like, I basically just invest either in trends, like I'm heavy in the weed sector. As green technology gets bigger, I'm going to invest in companies that have to do with, like, sustainable energy. I had an investment buddy that recommended Bloomberg.

It's called Odd Lots. Pretty good podcast. The Wall Street Journal has a daily kind of business podcast, but it's hit or miss. Sometimes it's like today's is about Trump's impeachment. You know, so it's not always about stock market. But the Bloomberg one, it's with Joy and Tracy, or Joe and Tracy, they're always talking about the market.

Like, I wake up to CNBC. You know, if I come, I get up, the great part about working from home, you just get out of bed, you know, 6.30, whatever, walk right into the office. and I just turn on CNBC. Now, I think if you talk to someone that works in finance, they tell you CNBC is kind of like, you know, first take or whatever. But it just, they have different guests on. There's just a lot of money talk,

and it just gets my money mind flowing. And then from there, I'll just find things that I'm interested in, things that make sense, things that I know my friends are using, trends I know, and I get aggressive with investments. So I don't know if I really helped you that much. That's just my strategy. I don't pretend to be, you know,

Leonardo DiCaprio here in the Wolf of Wall Street. But, yeah, listen to the Bloomberg podcast and watch CNBC or Bloomberg Television. Long-time listener of the pod. Question for the show. I'm a big-time Colts fan, and I have no clue what the fuck we're going to do with the quarterback position.

If we roll out with Burset, I don't see how we get any better. Are there any moves you see us making? I think Carson Wentz. I think you'll be sniffing around on Derek Carr. I think you should be sniffing around on Sam Darm. and I think they're sniffing around on Deshawn Watson. Now, I don't think Deshawn Watson's on the table because of the division.

But I think Chris Ballard is one of the best GMs in the league. Don't be worried. It's just, it's February 8th, nothing he can do. I think he's on the right guys. You will have a quarterback. Here's one thing I can comfortably make a hardcore prediction. You will start the season with a quarterback, right? You have no quarterbacks on the roster.

That will not be the case. and you will not go into the season with like Ryan Fitzpatrick as your quarterback. I bet Carson Wentz, Derek Carr, maybe they trade up to draft one of these guys. I do think you'll be excited. Well, you might not like Carson Wentz, but you'll be, okay, you know, they took a big swing. I do feel they will do that this offseason. I really like Dak and I think he's a top six quarterback. Should I be worried about him not being signed and hitting the free market?

I also think Jerry does not get the credit for being a good GM. he has a lot more hits than misses in the draft. I would agree. I think Jerry's a pretty good GM. And I think he's actually played the DAC. You know, Prescott negotiations pretty well. He could assign him to extension like Goff and Wentz. And look what happened there.

Both Wentz is about to be traded and Goff's already gone. And they're playing it year by year. You know why? Because they don't know. You don't always, if you don't know you want to marry her, you don't have to get engaged. Now, she might leave you. That's fine.

But the great part about, you know, where that analogy doesn't work in football, you can franchise tag. So if she wanted to leave you, you can franchise tag, Dak Prescott. You can't do that in real life. Like, if she wants to leave, she's leaving. You don't have to get married.

Ask the Rams how, you know, that early contract worked out, or the Eagles. It was a disaster. They both regret it. I actually think the Cowboys have done this right. They could have had Dak extended. He still would have been hurt, and they would have nothing to show for it.

Are we sure we need to give Dak $125 million guaranteed? I'm not. What's the rush? Let's see them this year. Can they make the playoffs? I don't know, man. I just, I think you guys are in a good spot. I think the Cowboys actually played it perfectly.

I'm a huge Panthers fan, and it would be cool to have your two cents on us as a franchise. Honestly, I get kind of tired of always hearing about the big market teams. It'd be cool to hear more about what you think of the status for our franchises. With all the hype on these young coaches, what's your take on Matt Rule? I feel like we could be a legit team if we had a better quarterback, an offensive line, and a few defensive pieces.

Thanks, and if you were ever in Buena Vista, Colorado, hit me up, and we can have beers, and I will take you whitewater rafting. Damn. I would fucking love that. I'd go whitewater rafting. Be badass. What if I fall, do I?

I mean, I know how to swim. The Panthers. I think it's pretty simple. When you guys had Cam Newton, and you were winning, people talked a lot about you. When you just suck, no one talks about you. Matt Rule, he was excellent in college. A couple of my buddies that went through at Baylor and Temple, they love them.

They think very, very highly of them. They are going big quarterback hunting, right? They try to get Matt Stafford. They're being aggressive. That's what David Tepper is known. I love David Tepper. Dude paid cash for his franchise. Him and Steve Balmer are the Clippers.

They're like, yeah, we're so rich. How much? Two billion? Okay, let me sell some shares of Apple. I'll have you the cash by the end of the week. Like, what a badass, right? How much you need? 2.3 billion?

Cool, let me call my banker. We'll have it in a duffel bags of 20s and tens, or 50s and hundreds. What do you want? Like, what a legend. He was aggressive to get Matt Ruhl. Now it's just Matt Ruhl, hired Joe Brady, brought a bunch of dudes with him from Baylor.

Is he a big time NFL coach? Because he was a really good college coach. Is he a big time NFL coach? Can't judge him until he gets a bad. better teams. Team sucked. Now, do they make a trade for one of these guys? We'll see. And if they get a quarterback, can he win? Well, then there's a lot of pressure on Joe Brady. Because Rule's kind of the culture guy, right? He's like a hard ball. He's like a Tomlin. He's just kind of a leader of men. People love them. But you don't win in this league without a star quarterback, without a good

quarterback. And clearly, their team needs a lot more talent. Like you said, defense was terrible. They have, I almost said, Honey Badger. You know, they got McCaffrey, DJ Moore, a good player. The kid they drafted last year, Brown from Auburn and the top 10 is going to be a good player. Need more pieces on defense and just need a better quarterback. Love everything Teddy Bridgewater stands for. Great kid. Incredible story when his knee fell off to come back. He's just not a very good starting quarterback. If he's your backup, he'd be the best backup in the league. So I just, you start winning people to talk about you. People talk about the Falcons and the Saints. Like one thing win the South, let's just be real about it.

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We talk about them all the time. It's amazing what winning does. It's the one thing, if you're a big market, you get talked about no matter what. Because if I talk about the Cowboys or the New York Giants or the Eagles, like people are going to listen. They have massive fan bases, win or lose. I'll talk about Carolina if they're kicking ass.

I'm not talking about Tampa Bay if they're not winning. You get Tom Brady, you win the Super Bowl? We talk about you. It's just a business. You know, I mean, we're pretty unimmonomese. emotional. You know me. I'll talk about whoever, but I just want the most people to listen. What do the Saints do at quarterback with their cap situation? Will they take a step back with the likes of Hendrickson, likely moving on due to not being able to afford them? Well, I think we saw that the

salary cap's going to be about $180 to $185 million. I think the Saints are at like 270. Now they're going to save a bunch of Drew Brees. They'll cut a bunch of guys. I think the most logical move is probably to bring back James relatively cheap and him and taste him. Maybe move up and trade for a quarterback. You know, could they have got Stafford he makes too much money? Could they trade for Wentz? He probably makes too much money.

Maybe just roll back with those two guys. Survey the land, figure out what you need without Drew Breeze and then go on from there. And maybe you could win with James. I'm not certain that Sean Peyton and James can't win. I actually could see that. I was thinking about you were talking about in regards to Eric Bien of me

and Andy's future retirement. Is there a case in which the chiefs could talk Eric Bienimi and tell him he's the next head coach once Andy retires? They could possibly raise his pay to keep him in house. So once Andy does retire, the transition can be smooth. He's a guy that the players rave about, and with how young they are at key positions, it could benefit all of them.

Is this something that could seriously happen? I don't believe in coaching waitings. I think we saw that in college football over the last couple decades. Remember, like, must champ in Texas. Lincoln Riley wasn't even really. Bob just retired, and they made Lincoln the head coach, and it worked out well. I just don't think coach-in-waiting is possible. The other thing is, Andy Reid's like 62 years old, and I don't see him going. Why would he leave? It wouldn't shock me if Andy coaches another seven, eight years.

Andy's 62. He'll be 63 this year. I mean, I think he's got minimum, minimum five, minimum five years. Why would he go? He's got Patrick Mahomes. It's like, you don't get out of the oil business the moment you strike oil, right? You didn't come out to California in 1849, find some gold and be like, oh, I'm over it. You know, you start mining for more. He's got Mahomes.

Wait at his entire life. Donovan McNabbie thought, right? then it turned out Donovan, something was missing. And Donovan was really good. Michael Vic, for a split second, turned out no. Alex just wasn't good now. He finally gets the best quarterback he's ever had as a head coach. And he coached Brett Farr.

It's probably the best quarterback he's ever coached, period. You just, you write it out. So I don't think you do coaching waiting. And would Brett Veach? Yeah, who knows? But I think that's off the table. What grows in the forest? Trees, sure.

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I think Winston is the best option because you don't need to trade away any assets, but Darnold would be a high upside piece that you could buy low. Yeah, man, I love Sam Darnold for like Kyle Shanahan and Sean Payton because I think you can get cheap, right? He doesn't make very much money this year. I think it's like $4 million. You got to pick up the fish your option,

so that means next year he'd make like 25. So you basically look at it. We got two years, $30 million. And we got a chance to get a 23, 24-year-old who was drafted really high. I get to mold them. Now, I don't know what Sean Payton thinks of James Winston. What it was like every day with James Winston and Drew Breeze?

I think James is pretty talented. But just like Sean Peyton think he can win a Super Bowl with James Winston these next couple years? Maybe he does. James Winston is also a free agent. What are they going to pay James Winston? Does James want like, will he take like $2 million or does he want like 15?

Because remember Jacobi when Andrew Luck retired? I didn't understand this and the Colts were like, we got to pay Jacoby like a starter. And I was like, do you? You know, like, who really like, do people look at each other in the locker room and go, he only makes $3 million even though he's their starter? That is too low. Like everyone understood luck retired.

What are you going to do? But they gave him, remember like that $30 million bucks. And it just turned out like, oh, they kind of regret that. You know, James, let's be a starter. I'll give you like $5 million, but would I rather have Sam Donald for $5 million? One thing that concerns me about Sam Donald is he's just like, he's like the USC James.

Turns the ball over a lot, makes some bad decisions. He's more mobile than James, but like their games are kind of similar. Turn the ball over a shitload. He throws a lot of picks. Makes a lot of head-scratching plays. Now, can make the big play too, but they're a little risky.

So you could argue if you're going to go with one, James is proven way more in the NFL. If you had to win a game tomorrow, I would 100% take James over Sam Darnold. Now, if I needed to win a game for the next three years, maybe they think Sam has more of an upside. I don't know. But I would say that Sam's probably the most realistic option for the Saints

given that he's cheaper and he doesn't cost that much to acquire. But you're right. I mean, I think the Saints and the Colts right now are kind of like, what are we going to do? what are we going to do? Same with the bears. That's the difference.

Niners do have Jimmy, even though they don't, I don't think really want to bring them back. Bears do not have a quarterback. Colts do not have a quarterback. The Saints have Taysam. James is a free agent. So I think we're going to learn a lot

over these next, definitely the next month, some of this quarterback movement. Keep an eye on. Appreciate you listening. Happy Super Bowl ending week. And we'll just get through this, snow football together. Adios, Godspeed. May the peace be with you.

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