The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Bucs All-In for Brady; Tua's 5 INT Overreaction; Mailbag

Episode Date: June 18, 2021

In this episode, John explains why the Bucs accepting Brady's trainer Alex Guerrero into the facility is smarter than Belichick's approach, if there's reason for concern after Tua's 5 INT minicamp per...formance, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:31 if you could leave a review on the Three Now podcast, I would tip my hat to you. That really, really helps. This is also a podcast, why I have to talk about things. Some thoughts, I saw something on Antonio Brown's Instagram that connects with Brady,
Starting point is 00:04:46 Rogers, and Russell Wilson. I will dive into. This kind of, uh, explosive story might be strong. But the story revolving around Tua, Tonga by Loa, in all of his interceptions,
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Starting point is 00:05:14 It hit me. I don't watch, like, Real Housewives. I really don't watch any reality TV. The only reality TV I do is follow sports, which you could argue, I mean, the NFL is arguably the biggest reality television show in America right now. So are all the other leagues. the NBA, baseball, golf, U.S. Open's going on right now in the background of recording this.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Like, that is my reality television. And luckily, I've been able to do this for a living and can make money off talking essentially about reality television. But one thing I'm probably still a sucker for is following some people either on Instagram or Twitter that are kind of my real housewives. And Antonio Brown, who once upon a time got traded to the Oakland. Yeah, they were the Oakland Raiders at the time. Pretty crazy move, right? Remember, he went scorched earth on the Steelers. They shipped him to Mayok and Gruden.
Starting point is 00:06:09 And by the time that he came in on the blimp to training camp, his feet were burned off, he didn't even make it to week one. Ended up playing for the Patriots for a week, and then even Belichick cut him. I follow Antonio Brown on Instagram. Not exactly sure why, but that is my, you know, kind of, that would be my real housewives. Like, I have no reason to,
Starting point is 00:06:31 who follow him on Instagram. But I'm glad I did because I saw something this week that made me think. And he was working out at Tampa Bay, at their facilities inside the wait room and on the field. Their mandatory minicamp happened a week ago.
Starting point is 00:06:50 They are gone for the summer. He is there working out with Tom Brady's guy Alex Cuero. And it made me think. So it's really not about Antonio Brown. It's about what that represents. And let's start with this. I've been lucky enough to know some really, like growing up, some family friends.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I had a best friend's dad who was really successful, CEO of the company, guys that started big time businesses that were just around my, you know, little town of Davis, California, whether it be a big farmer or a guy in the medical field. These guys ran million dollar corporations. and as they got older, they became very stubborn. And most of the super rich, successful people I've known, non-football coaches get very stubborn in their older age. And I think that goes for anyone, whether you're super rich or not,
Starting point is 00:07:45 you know, the famous saying goes, you don't teach an old dog new tricks. Like, we kind of become who we are. If we let ourselves, especially once you become successful, it's easy to validate to yourself like, I know what I'm doing. I don't need to listen, even though you might never have been successful in the first place if that was your mindset. But there is something to be said about having conviction and kind of standing by what you believe in.
Starting point is 00:08:14 And I think if we look back on the way everything happened with Brady and Belichick, I don't blame Belichick for having, you know, very, very strict policies. and struggling with being open-minded when it came to Brady and Alex Guerrero. Because remember, that was a pretty explosive story. Letting him travel with the team, letting him work out at the team facilities, and that was a driving force of split in Tom and Bill. Because to act like Tom just left Bill because he was an asshole, like Tom was around that asshole the entire time and they kicked ass and they took names.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Everyone listening, if your favorite team is not the Patriots, you watch Tom and Bill roll in and kick the shit out of your squad. We've all seen it in September through December to the playoffs. They beat everybody. So they worked fine together with his personality. But there gets to a point where Tom, and I don't blame him for this, as he got in his late 30s and even early 40s, he goes, the reason I'm still kicking butt,
Starting point is 00:09:16 the reason I'm still dominating is this guy. And you clearly like like what I'm doing dominating. You have to incorporate this guy. and Bill struggled with it. I listened to a Julian Edelman, Chris Long podcast recently, and Julian said something that I didn't know,
Starting point is 00:09:33 but it makes sense. No pictures are allowed in the team facility in New England. When you walk in, you can't take, you know, any pictures of anything. And that was something recently that got the 49ers in trouble.
Starting point is 00:09:46 One of their players had Instagrammed out a video of him picking off a guy in rookie OTAs. Well, it turns out it was press man, him throwing the receiver, you're not allowed to do that, and the Niners got docked. They got in Trump.
Starting point is 00:09:59 There's a reason behind Bill's madness. It actually makes a lot of sense. But I do believe that part of the split between Brady and Belichick was Belichick's inability to ever be open-minded with stuff. Because in fairness, he was very dead set on certain things and his rules,
Starting point is 00:10:18 and they worked. And they worked forever. But I think it's fair to say that last year, if they could have mended the relationship, they would have been better off with Tom Brady, right? It's not like Tom regrets leaving. He freaking won the Super Bowl, and he got to do it on his terms.
Starting point is 00:10:32 But seeing Guerrero work with Tampa Bay, I give the bucks credit. What are they? Tom, what do you need, bro? You need this, you need that? We're here for you. Alex, you want us to pay him? We'll give him a couple hundred grand,
Starting point is 00:10:45 put him on staff as well. He wants to work out other guys on the team. Antonio Brown, Gronk, Mike Evans, have at it. me casa is sukasa and that was something Tom Brady got with Tampa that he was never going to get in New England he knew it, you knew it, we all know it
Starting point is 00:11:01 and it's playing out right now in front of our eyes on Instagram and if I, I wouldn't even have been privy to this if I wasn't a sucker for Antonio Brown's Instagram account and I see him training in the weight room by themselves that is not that normal right but I give Tampa credit
Starting point is 00:11:19 for being open minded, which they should have been. They hadn't made the playoffs in 12 years. Tom, whatever you want, bro. Alex, does he have any play ideas? Tell them to tell Bruce. You're part of this. You're basically, we can't give you equity in the team. That's their league bylaws behind that. But we want you to be a partner in that operation. So whoever your people are, bring them. Isn't that how business is done? once we start doing business together and we become partners like some of your people come into my life
Starting point is 00:11:52 some of my people come into your life it's all intertwined and Belichick was very big on separating church and state I'm a coach, you're a player I tell you what to do even if you're the goat even if you are one of the greatest
Starting point is 00:12:06 I mean arguably the greatest player of all time that was never going to change here's something that also stood out to me one driving conversation just in the sports landscape is that Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson have felt slighted by their teams because they don't get the same treatment
Starting point is 00:12:24 as Tom Brady gets with Tampa Bay. And the more and more I've thought about that and kind of let that resonate with me, I think that is beyond moronic. Part of Tom Brady's equity with anyone, first and foremost, is in a salary cap league, and this was his beef with New England
Starting point is 00:12:46 and it's definitely one of the points of differentiation he has when quote unquote demanding. I don't think he's demanding anything but getting extra positive treatment when it comes to Tampa Bay. He takes a freaking
Starting point is 00:13:02 discount. What did they say in Mad Men once upon a time John Ham? That's what the money is for. When I pay you a premium and then you don't actually accomplish everything humanly possible? Which, is it all their fault?
Starting point is 00:13:18 No, but Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers do not win the Super Bowl like Tom Brady. Yet, they both make $35, $38 million. Tom, who is infinitely more accomplished and consistently more accomplished because he wins way more than both those guys, makes dramatically less. And I have no problem with anyone
Starting point is 00:13:39 taking the max amount of money. It's fucking capitalism. Do whatever you want. there are consequences to that. It's like, hey Aaron, hey Russell, we pay you $10, $15 million more than Tom. So they just have more wiggle room in their franchise. He does not have to put, remember when he went to Tampa, $25 million a year. For example, Dak Prescott makes $15 million more.
Starting point is 00:14:10 So right off the bat, he's doing them a solid. So when you talk about equity, when you talk about a partnership, he's already all in. He has a point, he has an advantage that like those, those guys are just, hey man, we appreciate what you did. What can we do for you? You want Alex to freaking get his own private jet? We'll fly him around. What do you need? But here's the other thing.
Starting point is 00:14:38 For 20 years, 20 years, Tom produced, win after win, after. win, discount after discount after discount, Super Bowl after Super Bowl after Super Bowl, six Super Bowls before he showed up in Tampa. Six, countless MVP's, I think two, but he had won way more than these guys. At the end of the day, you guys actually don't have as much in common
Starting point is 00:15:07 with Tom Brady as you like to think, despite being elite quarterbacks, first ballot Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Like you guys create this diva persona And let's face it Can be a pain in the ass for your organization Where Tom, if anything, The only pain in the ass for New England
Starting point is 00:15:26 Was always the fans like Bill Just give in a little to Tom Like even the diehard Patriot people Which in the bunker with Tom and Bill I think everyone would acknowledge Like Bill just just give in on this Just be a little nicer to him You know just if he wants that
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Starting point is 00:18:36 We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on.
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Starting point is 00:19:22 podcasts. Give it to him. He's earned that right. I don't know with two decades worth of ass kicking. Where these guys, it's like, well, Aaron, we just paid you a premium. And you've won with a team that we've put around you. And now you're bitching to moaning. Russ, now you're claiming you don't want to get traded.
Starting point is 00:19:42 like Tom, let's just face it, isn't as fraudulent as those guys when it comes to his consistency of actions. And we can keep hearing these guys compare themselves to Tom, they don't have that much in common. They just don't. And listen, fair or not, his quote-unquote discount,
Starting point is 00:20:04 his yearly salary, given his production and what he brings to the table, gives him a huge advantage when a team is going to want to listen to his results, right? Because what he is for them is the ultimate cash cow. Now, obviously, Russell and Aaron Rogers are for their franchise. They clearly help their teams win, but they never get over the hump.
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Starting point is 00:22:58 For those of you that didn't see, midweek, he threw a bunch of picks and it went viral and everyone was crushing him on social media. Even though no one actually saw it beside the team that was there and some media members. But I want to just, let's go inside the podcast. I probably, since I've been doing this podcast, have done countless segments that I would either get halfway through or maybe even finish and go, that sucked. I need to do that again. And you as a listener only heard the final version, right?
Starting point is 00:23:32 I don't cut and paste anything with the podcast, but I do every segment individually, like the segment I'm doing right now. and if I midway through or at the end, I'm like, that was fucking terrible. I could just delete it and do it again. Because I don't get judged by any of you
Starting point is 00:23:51 until we actually put the podcast out. Think how many meetings, if you're listening to this, you have gone to, whether it's business acquisition, whether it's a sales pitch, whatever. That person you're trying to do business with does not judge you for anything that you did
Starting point is 00:24:09 getting ready for, the meeting. Why? They don't see it. You have long meetings. How are we going to pitch this? What's our rate? What do we want out of the deal? There's a reason golfers go to the driving range. Do you know what never counts on your scorecard in the sport of golf? The driving range. You can hit it like Tiger Woods on the driving range. You can shank it left and right on the driving range. It doesn't matter. It's there. I don't know, as Alan Iverson said, for practice. in football, the great part about the sport is you get judged once a week.
Starting point is 00:24:48 And what you do throughout the week in the season, really no one knows because the media is not allowed in. They just, they get 15 minutes during practice. Like during the off season and during training camp, for someone like me, I could go watch all the practices, right? The mandatory mini camps, and then once training camp starts, we have full access. so we can say everything that we see if we go to a team's practice.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Once the season starts and really, I think it's like the last week of training camp, that ends. And honestly, smart move by the NFL. I would not allow the media to go to regular season practices. There's too much specific game plan stuff going on. But you get to work out the quirks of the game plan during the week. It's why how many stories in the history of football with when games are played, following day have guys like Peter King written about, oh, we tweak this on Friday night.
Starting point is 00:25:46 We saw something on Saturday night in a walkthrough at the hotel. And we made this tweak. And then it leads to a touchdown. It leads to an interception. Whatever. That is the way the sport is played. Part of practice is to figure out what you're doing. To make mistakes.
Starting point is 00:26:04 You don't learn when it comes to success. You learn through failures. Right? That is how you learn. And I am by no means some Tua diehard. I am very, very, how would I say, I wouldn't say out on him, but nervous about what I saw last year. Though I do understand where the defenders come in and say, he hurt his hip, their offensive skill guys weren't that good. He's, you know, he's 21 years old, give him some time. I'm okay with doing that. I will not, by any means, judge a guy for throwing interceptions in practice. In freaking June, they have brand new skill guys, right? They signed a wide receiver, they drafted a wide receiver high, you're working on things. I can live with throwing interceptions right now.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Find out what the timing is. Find out where you can push. Find out where you can't. Learn your own skill set at this level. This is not Alabama. you are not going to kick the crap at everyone. As we saw last year when it comes to Tua, you're an equal now. And depending on who you're playing, you're not even an equal.
Starting point is 00:27:17 You're worse than an equal. You have to figure out your skill set, your strengths, your weaknesses, what you can do, what you can't do. The only time to figure that out in the sport of football is in practice. And luckily, in the way this sport is, you know, played, there's a ton of practice. Now, if he's throwing picks consistently in games, we got a problem. Guess who's never won or lost a game in the middle of June? Any NFL team or any NFL player and definitely a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:27:47 They've never thrown an interception in the middle of June that have counted on their football reference page. And I'm pretty sure, and I feel pretty confident that that will never happen. So I get the overreaction. A lot of it has to do with how poor he looked on the field last year. And that is fair. because we can't deny what we saw. It wasn't good. We saw Herbert.
Starting point is 00:28:08 We saw Tua. One guy looked a complete, just in a different universe as the other player. And Tewa was drafted ahead of him. Like, I hate to say it. Like, those two guys are synonymous forever. Like, part of the reason Mr. Bisckey got extra heat was like
Starting point is 00:28:22 Mahomes and Watson went after him. So who goes after you when you're a quarterback is how you get judged? Like, the reason the Eagles took a lot of shit is they took Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson. Now, after one year, looks terrible. Let's check back in three or four years. Could change. Same thing with Tua and Herbert, though it feels very unlikely.
Starting point is 00:28:43 But, like, we can't, and I get it. It's part of the media cycle. It's part of social media to just dramatize and having hard opinions. And you know me, I got no problem taking a stance. This ain't the time, though. And to act like he sucks because he threw some picks in practice. you get yourself in trouble doing that. Because I remember the year the 49ers
Starting point is 00:29:06 went to the Super Bowl. Jimmy Garoppel had a practice where he threw three straight, literally three back to back to back passes for pick six in a training camp practice. Then later that week, they played on Monday night football against the Denver Broncos. This was a preseason game,
Starting point is 00:29:27 and Jimmy Garoppolo looked like a practice squad player. then he went on by far to have the best season of his career I mean he hasn't started that much but he played well was a starting quarterback for a Super Bowl team never forget people in training camp now I would say this for Tua training camps a little different than the offseason it's a maybe not the first week of training camp but if you're throwing picks consistently after multiple preseason games
Starting point is 00:29:55 that could be a concern but to act like anything and I repeat anything matters good or bad when it comes to a quarterback and the result of a pass in a practice in the middle of June, I got to pump the brakes. I really do. And I just think we have to allow people to work through some stuff. And that's not obviously society is getting away from that.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Everything's instant. We need it now. We need it perfect. Like let him figure some stuff out. As someone who's borderline, you know, closer to out than being in on Tua, I'm going to allow him some struggles in the offseason. I don't know of his first ever offseason running with the ones in the National Football League. So let's just pump the brakes, everybody.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Okay, let's get to the Middlecoff mailbag. At John Middlecough is the Instagram. At John Middlecough is the Instagram. Slide up in and get your question answered here. Let's start with Brett. Question for the pod. You ever watch any hockey?
Starting point is 00:31:05 I was listening to the podcast and you touched on how NBA and Major League Baseball executives and players may not care for the regular season and that's why the NFL is crushing them. Well, the NHL is similar to the NFL. Hockey players play hard every game, 80 plus game a year,
Starting point is 00:31:22 and the Stanley Cup playoffs is one of the most entertaining events. I know it's not popular as baseball basketball, but you see the parallels between the NHL and the NFL. Players care and play physical day in, day out. You see the NHL becoming more and more popular with the disease and attention, with the decrease in attention from the other two sports. I have been watching a little hockey because, you know,
Starting point is 00:31:47 if you just follow the barstool accounts, the Islanders become a big deal with what they do as a business. So I just started paying attention the Islanders and I watched them against the Bruins, basically the whole series, it was fantastic. Vegas, if you turn on a Las Vegas hockey game, they are going, you know, nuts. It's an awesome environment. Hockey's biggest issue in America's, we just don't play. You know, basketball and baseball's built in advantages, I played Little League. I played eighth grade basketball. I played, I played those sports growing up. I actually played roller hockey, but just kind of screwing around,
Starting point is 00:32:24 just because Roller Blades were in, we watch what we play. The most kids in America at some, usually in high school, play a little football. So you have a large percentage of kids in America relative to the other sports that have just played football.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Even if it's just a year, I played ninth grade. I played my junior year in high school. Most kids like me played four years in high school. So you just become, you fall in love with a sport. You get to play with your buddies. No different like a guy that plays baseball in high school. He's just going to like baseball or basketball.
Starting point is 00:32:54 ball. I played golf in high school. That's why I like golf. Right. I mean, we just, we like what we watch or what work, I remember when in, uh, in college going to Europe, everyone has a soccer ball. You see people kicking around the soccer ball. Italy, Spain, soccer ball's freaking everywhere. Soccer's their life. I mean, they freaking love it. I don't blame them. That's just what they know. We know football, baseball, and basketball. Despite, I'm with you, I was watching the NHL playoffs and It was like trying to watch, I have, you know, two TVs. And on my other TV at the basketball playoff game, I'm with you. It's more intense.
Starting point is 00:33:31 It does feel like football. And it's violent, and you know in America we love violence. It's not just America. I mean, it's human nature. We love violent stuff. We love to be entertained by violence. We have in the history of time. And, you know, I'd say the good part about modern civilization is it's controlled violence.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Not as crazy. Unless you're a UFC guy, a little crazy there. but yeah I mean I I think I don't know if they could grow in popularity but I do feel the product's good
Starting point is 00:34:01 Hey John love the pod It's only the middle of June And I'm already sick of the media Making a big deal about NFL players Getting vaccinated or not Don't they realize how violent a game They sign up for to play Also NFL players are among the healthiest humans
Starting point is 00:34:17 On the planet So it's completely understood why they wouldn't want an emergency vaccine. Unfortunately, with the current media landscape, I feel like this isn't going away. Well, just in general, when it comes to corona, I think the overall media landscape, they were the most emotional by far.
Starting point is 00:34:36 They celebrated lockdowns time and time again. They didn't, like, let's face it, a lot of them deny it. They wanted sports canceled last year. They were extremely, they're an emotional group. They really are. I also think that them constantly asking these players is a little weird. But I also, I guess, get it.
Starting point is 00:34:58 It's their job. I guess. I don't know. I actually feel like just big picture, most of the media lost a lot of credibility over the last year. I think a lot of us common, normal people in society, they don't resonate with us that much anymore. Their risk tolerance and all the people in my life's risk tolerance are completely different. But Corona didn't phase my life. I was lucky enough in the job I do, didn't phase me at all financially.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Did a little at the beginning. But like I was not, I never for one second was scared. Was around a lot of people with Corona unfazed by it. Now, I got the vaccine recently. I got it for business though. Because I know when I want to go to 49 or practice in training camp, do you know what I don't want to be able to have to do? We're a mask.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Or have to follow these stupid-ass rules. And I think the NFL is telling these guys, if you get the vaccine, you don't have to wear a mask, you can just do whatever you want. You don't have to get tested. Like, I don't understand why the NBA is still testing players. It doesn't make any...
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Starting point is 00:37:59 I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team. And the truth about the U.S. national team. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals.
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Starting point is 00:38:42 Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. Wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
Starting point is 00:38:56 With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing?
Starting point is 00:39:07 Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict.
Starting point is 00:39:21 You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team. And I'm really. trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sense to me. I think it's stupid. It's all for theater. The NFL's not into theater. They're into printing money. And the way they print money is their games. And if you threaten their games, you're threatening their business.
Starting point is 00:39:52 And that's why the NFL is like, listen, you have to get vaccinated. So the NFL is really kind of pushing it just because they want business as normal. They don't want to have any more tests. They don't have to worry about it. And listen, the media is going to do their own thing, but I think big picture of the NFL just like the entire country's open. Even California, no masks anymore,
Starting point is 00:40:15 even though the irony is everywhere I go, people are wearing a mask. It's like, well, I'm sure if you're wearing a mask still, you're vaccinated. Are you a fraud? Like, are you a science denier? because we shut down the economy for people like you. Yet when you're told by literally the scientists, take that fucking thing off, you still got it on.
Starting point is 00:40:32 What are we doing? And that to me, kind of, those people kind of represent most of the media. So I get why they're always on these players like, Sam Darnold, why don't you do it? He's like, well, I'm 25. I'm healthy, I'm fine. I'm of, I'm more risk walking across the street. But the NFL is telling you, get this thing so we can play.
Starting point is 00:40:52 It's really that simple. Now that's not the way the media when they talk about it sounds, but that's all the NFL cares about. And really, all they should, because they want to get their business up rocking and rolling again. John, I'm a big time fan of the show. It provides a nice escape from the rigors of everyday life. That being said, how much stock do you put into mini-camp performances?
Starting point is 00:41:14 For example, two or three-five picks on a day, one of camp, and six touchdowns of the next. Is mini-camp somewhat irrelevant from a performance? standpoint compared to preseason games. Yes, I think MNicamp, as we talked about earlier, is pretty irrelevant. But, I mean, what else are we going to talk about it this time of year? So I get why people are talking about it, but I think I went over that. Hey, John, back to the whole Levion situation.
Starting point is 00:41:40 With him sitting out on the franchise tag that year, it always seems like he's being thrown under the bus when anyone can do it. I don't think he got thrown under the bus. He was celebrated. The media, all the football people, all the former players, I mean, they were like, get it, Leveon! You did it! He was, they put him on a pedestal for taking a stand. Call me crazy, but wasn't it that the right move? If he played out the tag that year, $14 million, and suffered a major injury like Dacted, there's no way the Jets would have given him $35 million guaranteed. They gave him 27. Considering the fact that he hasn't been the same player since the 17, I think that might be the correct financial move by sitting out.
Starting point is 00:42:19 I mean, I think it was a disastrous move. because you get hurt doing anything playing football. He played the last two years, didn't get hurt. Like, I mean, maybe he had a hamstring or whatever, but he made a $14 million move. I mean, he's $14 million less rich right now. He has $27 million, but he would have had $14, and then he would have had 27.
Starting point is 00:42:42 And maybe playing with the Steelers, where he was good, he might have even made more. The Jets were so desperate. They gave a guy $27 million that no one else would touch him. If it wasn't for the clown jets, like there weren't that many people lined up because he hadn't played. You get paid to play. I truly believe it's one of the worst decisions financially any players ever made in my life.
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Starting point is 00:44:44 My brother and I will be in Northern California at the end of July, and I thought I'd hit you up to see if you had any recommendations for any good golf courses we should play while we're passing through. Nothing too crazy expensive like Harding Park or Pebble, but a few courses that are sweet that you may recommend. I would try Carica. It's in Alameda. I would try Chardonnay or Eagle Vines.
Starting point is 00:45:09 It's in Napa, very reasonably priced. I would try Callipi. It's in Pleasanton. just to name a few. Those are public horses that are all under $100. Personally, I would play Harding Park. I think Harding Park's pretty sweet.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Hey man, I've been listening to you for a while from Memphis, started from the herd, and can't get enough of you. My dad and I are huge fans. Any way you could debate, any way you could debate Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers, would love to hear that. I just want to rub it in my dad's face how much better Tom Brady is than Aaron Rogers.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Well, individually, Aaron Rogers is more talented than Tom, right? better athlete, better arm. Probably, we have to check the numbers. His price feels a little more accurate. That could be wrong. But yeah, I mean, Tom wins a lot more. Now, as Tom, Aaron Rogers lost at home this year.
Starting point is 00:46:03 That was just a bad loss. It really was. I mean, really, Aaron's career is going to end with one Super Bowl more than likely. That's pretty crazy. Because he was arguably the most talented player in the league for 10 years. but as we know, talent, like, talent doesn't equal, just talent is not everything. And football is a team game, and Aaron's defense has let them down at different times,
Starting point is 00:46:27 but Tom's better for sure. Huge fan of the show and all you do. I wanted to ask what your thoughts are on the Jets going into this upcoming season and the potential of their defense after a few injury-riddled COVID years. I can't help but think this talented group outside of two starters at Corner that this group has the potential to help the Jets be a legit team. Feels like as long as Zach Wilson doesn't pull a darnald and throw pick six is his first throw in the league
Starting point is 00:46:54 with at least a decent performance from this team they can win eight games. I don't know. Their team is not that talented. And they have a rookie quarterback and a first-time head coach and a first-time play caller and a first-time defensive coordinator, even though Sala technically is a defensive guy, but he's not the coordinator.
Starting point is 00:47:11 to me, five wins feels about right. They're just not that good. And they're division stacked. Bills are loaded. Dolphins are good. Patriots are going to be better. I think if they want five games but showed some promise and still had a top 7-8 pick,
Starting point is 00:47:30 they'd be in pretty good shape. I do not think the Jets are going to be very good. Unless Zach Wilson is like rookie of the year, which I am not expecting. I'm just not. And that's not trying to be a hater. I'm just being realistic. I think we'll end it there.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Keep it short. Short and sweet. Nice little pod. You guys know the drill. At John Middilcoff. Shoot me in Instagram if you want. Yeah. Tell your friends about the podcast.
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