The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Coronavirus Impact On NFL Draft and Free Agency

Episode Date: March 13, 2020

In this episode, Middlekauff discusses the massive societal impact of Covid-19 Coronavirus, how it will impact the NFL Draft and free agency, why pushing everything back is the right move, how pro day cancellations will affect draft evaluations, and why this disruption will further separate the well run franchises from the bad ones. He also answers listener questions in Middlekauff's Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you know I don't even don't know exactly what to say or you know typically I would have thought this would be kind of heading into free agency being excited for everything but you know these last really three or four days since I did the first show of the week recorded on Monday have changed a lot

I attempted to go to a NBA game on Wednesday night, I had tickets. I mean, one of the reasons was I just had bought the tickets to see Zion Williamson, to play the Kings. My mom lives on the way from where I live, so I went home, kind of made a day of it. And right before the game, the game got canceled. And I was there.

I was walking into the arena when the PA announced her about five minutes before Tipoff announced that it was over. Now, you could argue I probably shouldn't have been there in the first place, but I spent $220 on tickets. And I'm not just, I'm not at the point where I'm just three. throwing away money. And maybe it's, I was not affected or afraid to go in, but I was going to go watch and play. And there were 20,000 people there. I mean, the place was going to be packed, but it got canceled. And then really the next 24 hours to where I'm recording now in the

afternoon on Thursday, basically everything's been canceled. Basketball has been suspended. The March Madness and the tournaments canceled. Basically all spring sports and college sports canceled. Major League baseball indefinitely suspended. And we just, there's a lot of unknown right now. And I'm glad I waited to record this until the afternoon because I guess what I'll lead the show with, the, in the Middilcoff mailbag, you can shoot me DMs, but I, you know, as we lead into this, I think we're going to get into free agency here.

I think it's going to be delayed. Florio tweeted out that I've been unsure with how this voting process works. they must have to like send in ballots because if it was digital, we would know whether this thing passed or not, the CBA that is. And from all reports it feels like it's going to pass, but I can't pretend to know if it's going to pass or not. Let's just assume that we'll have a result come Sunday night whether the NFL has agreed,

the players have agreed to a new CBA with the owners or they've rejected it. And there were some people, I think a player today for the Saints, Morehead tweeted out, you know, this is called uncertainty. This is economic uncertainty. And I feel for everyone right now all over this country who does not just have unlimited money in their bank. You know what I mean. Millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Who lives paycheck to paycheck? Who's the majority of America? The majority of America does not have $10,000 in savings. And if this has, whether you, whatever you want to believe about Corona, I don't know. It doesn't feel like anyone quite knows. It's just pretty clear it's having serious ramifications on the way we operate worldwide, domestically as a society. It's going to have huge, huge economic ramifications. As things get canceled, as work's not allowed to get done, that's what I know. And a lot of the way our country operates is economically. We're dependent

on the economy rolling. I mean, that's, our people are. And whether that's, that's just the way we live. And I think football, once they find this out, the right thing to do is probably delay free, not probably, is to delay free agency a couple weeks. To me, I would just move back. What I would do is just move back free agency. You know, I would write it in pencil, not pen, just we plan on, we're not going to have it start next week. We're going to tentatively push it back two weeks and kind of go from there. And same with that. the draft. Everything's just going to get pushed back. And luckily, time's

on our side. We're not in season. We've seen the owners don't care about OTAs or anything. It's only the coaches do. Hell, the players would cancel those in the heartbeat. So you got time to work with. You can be nimble. You can be you can pivot easily.

And I think the one thing that I read, Floreo wrote something on it and it makes sense is that Tom Brady signs with the Titans two years, $50 million. That breaks on Tuesday, Wednesday. Does that make sense? I mean, listen, I'm in the business of talking about football.

Specifically, the NFL is the cash cow. It literally pays my mortgage. Is that the right thing to do next week if business are shut down all over America and all the other leagues are shut down? Or is it smart just to maybe take a breath? Because I do think there's an element optically to, you know, it won't look great. Now, that doesn't mean you can really take advantage. there is no competition.

I freaking love March Madness. I'm a gambler. I gamble on March Madness. It's canceled. That sucks. There's no way around it. I get it, and I think ultimately you had to cancel it,

but that sucks. I would imagine a lot of you listening. I love Thursday and Friday the tournament. Filling out brackets. Routing for teams and players, we don't know. It's as cool of an event as we have in this country. In all of sports. I can't get enough of it.

And I think the NFL could look at it like, God, we don't even have that to compete with. We can dominate. The NBA's gone for minimum 30 days. We can really kind of own the headlines. Because think about television. ESPN, Fox, CBS, all the... Their inventory is games, just in general,

whether it's NBA, NHL, golf really is the only sport going. Thank God I got a little bit more. money right now in Brooks to win the players. We'll see if he can come through. He's minus two. He just finished. But all these other, there's going to be nothing on. And I think you could easily justify it and football gets a lot of heat for being, oh, they're the greedy league. They're the greedy league. Well, to me, this is an easy one. This is what I would call a BP fastball. Just move it back a couple weeks. Every human, it's not just, oh, we're inconvenient. We're all inconvenience right now. At any moment, some people we're all in business with. If this gets really

ugly, could go under, and we all could be in trouble, you know, and whatever, whatever industry we're in. Who knows? This is uncharted territory. I've only been a, you know, a professional adult, I feel like, for like five or six years, you know, kind of as I turn to my 30s. I kind of feel it now. Like, I understand, like, when I was young and things, you know, wars would happen or recession would happen and you feel you see the stress on your parents and you can't even quite comprehend it you kind of understand it as you get older it's kind of sobering like god you feel you wish you could go back to like your 13 year old self and like have a serious conversation with your parents but it's not the way the world works and i i think the NFL we'll see

i don't know i mean i i would imagine they push it back they're clearly having the conversation i think that would be the right move and i and trust me you guys have been listening to I'm not Mr. Overreact on stuff, but I don't think we can deny the impact this is now having on everything. And being at the Kings game, or the game didn't happen, but the reason it stopped, for those of you that don't fall basketball, I'm sure you've seen the headline Rudy Gobert, the Center for the Jazz, who had it.

Well, one of the referees in that Utah game, who had worked a Utah game earlier in the week, the players on the Pelicans figured, out or it just got out that that guy had been around Rudy. So all the players started to be like, I'm not playing with this guy or around this guy. And then you realize basketball, which is different in some

other sports, everyone touches the basketball. And then really, just that game got canceled and the whole season got suspended. And then baseball followed suit, NCAA followed suit. The thing with the NFL is there's not you know, like Florio tweeted this morning, the silence from the NFL is deafening.

Well, Mike, the, the, the, the, The season is not going on. Hell, the free agency is next week, but it's not like an event. You can just do it from your office. So the NFL was not up against the wall in terms of a time crunch. Time was on their side. But I think as they take a deep breath and time gets closer to where they have to make a decision, this feels too easy for me.

And, you know, at least where I'm sitting. And I don't know, listen, all the logistics of the league, they're pretty dependent on ESPN, NFL network, people like me, coward, whoever. We help the whole thing go too. And who knows if some of these shows are going to be able to happen? Can you get people in some of these networks? I don't know. It's just, I think it's just easy to take a step back, take a deep breath.

You don't even need to put a specific date on it. We're going to open up free agency on this date. Just listen. We're going to push it back at minimum two weeks and reassess. Kind of like when Steph Curry injures his ankle, the Warriors put out a tweet that say, Steph Curry has hurt his ankle. He will be reassessed in two weeks,

and we will have new information. Just do something like that. Because with basketball, the seasons going on, the playoffs aren't that far away. Time isn't necessarily on your side, though they have some months to work with. Baseball, the season hasn't even started, but they couldn't go, well, can we afford to push it back?

till the end of July and start and have play a three months like the NFL the season is so long so far away that you've got a little wiggle room worst case scenario you can't have OTAs we'll live we'll live would that be ideal

no can you get by with that yes if free agency has to start July June 1st and the draft is July 1st you know shit happens you don't it's a crazy part about this world no one knew Corona

or COVID-19 or whatever you're calling it was going to happen. Hell, we're a couple weeks into this. And I feel like educated people, which I claim, you know, I got a couple degrees on the wall. No, I mean, I think you can question, like, how educated are you? Don't really know what's going on. We're all reading the same stuff. We're all watching the same shows.

And I know myself, I feel like I don't even know what's what. I really don't. Like Tom Hanks tweets out. He's got Corona. My first is he going to die? and then he tweets out, no, I feel good. I'm going to be okay. And you're like, is it going to be okay?

So are we over? You don't even know. It's what makes it really crazy. Is there so much unknown? And I think the NFL, I hope the NFL for the first time in a while just makes an easy, correct decision. But I guess by the next time you hear me, the good thing about me, I can self-quarantine in my office and just keep recording podcasts.

So the podcasts aren't going to go away. But I guess we'll see by the next time we talk, if free agency has happened. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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You know exactly what some of your options are. Can I tag and trade this guy? How much is it going to cost me ballpark? park to sign this guy. Do I have a chance to sign this guy? Because by about early, I was a pro scout, by about early to mid-January, your free agent board is set. You know who you like on your team and what you need.

By the time you go to the comp, and you kind of know what's coming out in the draft, so by the time you go to the combine, and I talked about this with Howie, and he said, if you listen to the podcast last week, it's about accumulating information. He's like a CIA agent, and as I told Howie on that interview, Another decision maker had told me he had 14 meetings a day for like five straight days. All about getting a feel for how much your own players are going to cost. If I traded this guy, what could I get? If I wanted to trade for this guy, how much it would cost.

You've accumulated all that information. So once this week started, you have an idea. Now, it doesn't mean you know what's going to happen, but if I'm the Niners, I know how much Eric Armstead wants an extension. I know what I can get tag and trade for the guy. I know teams that go, well, if I sign Clowny, I don't need Armstead. If we don't get Clowny, we'll trade you a second rounder for Armstead. There is a lot of unknown, but you know this or that.

You got some idea. With the draft, you're still gathering a boatload of information. Unlike free agency, the Hayes in the barn in terms of the information. This period, now we can say how much you gain out of, it or not, the pro day circuit earlier this morning before I recorded my other podcast, I follow Michigan

football and I see boom, they've canceled their pro day. I talked to a bunch of scouts, I just text them like, what's your guy's status? He's like, we got pulled off the road, we got pulled off the road. I'm sure a lot of you guys seen on Twitter that a lot of the scouts and coaches were pulled back to the office. The SEC of the information

that I have that I saw today canceled everything for at least the next month, including pro days. So Pro Days, now some of them happened earlier this week, but moving forward, they're not happening. So pro days are done so. And we could argue all day long how much they matter, but for a guy, I saw the receiver at Clemson Higgins, who didn't do that much at the Combine, did a bunch of stuff

at the Pro Day, like, you don't have to do stuff at the Combine. It's your choice. But usually that same player then does a lot of stuff at the Pro Days. And again, like, does a vertical jump make or break? You know, but information's power. and there's a reason these guys jump and do these drills so you can get quantifiable information and compare it to other players

in this draft that are in the league it's hashtag analytics and this stuff is going to end and depending on the timeline here if we don't do pro days there'll be a lot of questions on the information and I saw my former boss and my former colleague Lewis Riddick tweeted well if these pro days end right now

it'll put a lot more pressure on the good organizations that do their work during the fall. And I know the Eagles, the Ravens, the Patriots, that school of grading, their grades lock in at the end of the college football season. They specifically do it so when you go to the Senior Bowl, when you go to the All-Star Games, when you go to the Combine, when you go to the Pro Day,

you can't change your grade. when the bowl games end and you have a third round grade on a player, then he goes to the senior ball, the combine, and the pro days, and he just becomes a workout warrior, you can't bump that up to a late first round pick. The high-level organizations do not want you to do that. Now, they're going to factor in that information, but they separate it. Now, I don't know how every team does it.

You guys got a pretty good idea of the teams I interact with. And I know the way they operate. the Chiefs, the Bears, the Eagles, the Niners. I mean, the Raiders don't talk to me, but I know how they operate because I got a couple of moles. But, and again, people think I'm a Raider hater. I'm actually not. I love Mike Mayock. I think he's one of the brighter GMs going.

If Mike Mayock got fired tomorrow, he'd actually be in demand. But so I think when you, the draft, there's going to be a lot of unknown. I would imagine general managers, whether you move for 8th,000. agency or don't, they'd be okay with whatever they do. Now, obviously, it's not their choice. To me, the draft, if all these pro... A lot of GMs are going to be a little insecure and uneasy. Insecure is probably the wrong word.

Uneasy. Just because if you're used to a certain amount of information in whatever job you do to help you get to your decision, and then I remove 20% of that information, it's a little harder. Ultimately, what a decision is, right, is basing stuff off information. Now, you just got to, sometimes you get,

I mean, the way life works, you got to deal with the card you're dealt and welcome to the real world. Like not everything, things change on uncontrollable events and that's what this is. But with the travel and the groups, our team still going to have draft meetings, the great part about technology,

like the podcast I do Haberman and a middle, We Skype when we record it. So you could easily do, if you're Chris Ballard and your scouts are all over the country, sit in the draft room and Skype in with your IT guy, figure out how to set up. I'm sure many of you guys listening to do Google Hangouts and all this stuff. I've done it before when I did some freelance stuff for Bleacher Report seven or eight years ago. It's not that difficult. You can do it that way.

It's what Google and all these companies make all this money. from. The technology is there. It's actually not that difficult. It'd be pretty easy actually to hold draft meetings remotely. Now it'd be, you know, you got one guy in California, you got another guy in Connecticut, you got one dude in Dallas. Now the time, you know, if you're a California guy and you work for the Eagles and the draft meeting started eight, you know, you're going to have to get up a little early. Now you'll be done earlier, but you're just going to have to figure it out. And I would imagine that, you know, football teams in the coach obviously can't even speak, always says this right.

Every time you hear a coach speak to a team or if you've played high school football, you know, you prepare for a game, but you never know what's going to happen. Then you adjust. Half-time adjustments, in-game adjustments, when you're in, you got to play. You've got to play when you didn't expect to play,

next man up. That's the draft process. That's this. So what pro days get canceled? Figure it out. What's the point of scouting this guy all fall or for the last several years? Because if you're a good player,

most guys aren't one-year wonders. Even if you are a one-year wonder, like quote-unquote Joe Burrow, well, every scout in the SEC was keeping an eye on Joe Burrow two years ago. You've been keeping an eye on a lot of these guys. If you're a scout that's been in a region for an area or if you're a college scouting director,

you've been accumulating information on all these players. So this tests how good you are at your work. Now, one area that doesn't get talked about that much, and maybe if you listen to some football shows, you've heard of this, there's a thing called top 30, a top 30 visit, the 30 visit. You're allowed to bring in 30 players to your facility. Now, you can't work them out when they're there,

but if I'm the Raiders, and I want to bring in six or seven of the receipt, because I'm going to draft one. C.D. Lamb, Jerry Judy, Rugs, Lovishka, you name it. I'm going to fly them all in. Are we doing that now? Can you do that now?

To me, that is an area that at the combine, you only get, I saw this year they added 15. It used to be 60 interviews, 15 minutes of pop. It's now, I think, 48 interviews at 18 minutes of pop. Well, the top 30 visit is a big deal. Because if I'm thinking about drafting, let's say CDLand, but if I'm a general manager slash the coach and I don't know him that well

I've watched the film and I like it I've talked to my scouts boots on the ground got the information I still want to meet the guy you know it's one thing drafting a guy in the fifth or sixth round and not ever meeting him if you're the coach

it's a little risky but still it's just the reality of the business but financially you're not tied to him you can cut them and it doesn't hurt you you gotta know your first and second round picks It was easy for Kyle Shanahan to draft Debo Samuel last year. He coached him in the senior bowl. Him and his coached he got to spend a lot of time with him.

It's another thing to draft a guy at the top of the second round when you never even met him. Now we hear about it sometimes. I think the Chiefs did it somewhat with Mahomes. But as Veach said, Veech had done so much work on him. He'd scouted him for two years really closely. Like, he did do a lot of work. And he was their top scout at the time doing that work. It's another thing to draft, I'm just going to draft.

I'm just going to throw this guy's name out. C.D. Lamb, if I'm whoever, and if I'm John Gruden, I have to meet him. And more than just the 18 minutes of the combine. I just do. Now, I remember John Lynch told a story that they talked to Mike McGlinchie at the combine.

They liked him as a player. They interviewed him at the combine, and they loved him. And that was, I think, when they were 15-minute interviews. And then after that, I don't think they brought him in. because they didn't want anyone to know how much they liked him. But they knew when he left that, they knew there was a chance they might draft that guy.

They were smitten for him. So there's some of that, but they did meet the guy, and I'd say McGlinchy, and C.D. Lamb might be this too. Certain players are just Tim Tebow off the field. So you don't really need to think much about him. But most players, not even if they're character issues, just, you know, there might be something in his personality. You just want to spend some time around the guy. They might not be positive, might not be negative, just somewhere in the middle. Just the guy's different.

We're all different. Have you ever meant two humans that are the same? They don't exist. That's where the visits and even the, here's another thing. A lot of teams send position coaches, like if you're going to draft a running back and do Staley's my running back coach. And I know, like, if I'm the Eagles, for example, and I drafted Miles Sanders last year in the second round. Was it the third round?

I think it was the second round. and I go, well, I need another running back to go with him. So I'm not going to draft a guy super high, but I would draft a guy somewhere between the fourth and the sixth round. We'll get a list of like the majority of guys, maybe 10 guys that we like, that will be in that range, and I'm going to send Deuce on a 15-day couple week, just fly around the country and go work those players out.

Write reports, come back, rank them. and we'll kind of attack it from there. Like, is that going to go on now? I mean, sure as hell doesn't look like it. So there are going to be elements to the draft process, which this is all a process that aren't going to exist. And it's just going to be strictly on the film. Which, for the most part, and I have always believed this,

majority of misses are not with the player. They're with the person. And the more time a position coach I trust, and that's why I use Deuce. Like if Deuce likes the guy, I think the guy's going to be good. Just that simple. And he's got a feel, and every staff has these couple position coaches that can just go, yep, that's our type guy.

Or nope, that's not our type guy. And you trust them. And you just send that guy, and it helps the draft process so much. Just gets to spend some time with five or six players that you have grouped in the same little clump. That if they were all there in the fifth round, as of middle of March, you don't know how you'd rank them. The more information you get, you know, I don't love that personality.

I don't like that person. I like that guy. Jim Washburn, who was the D-line coach when I was with the Eagles. He's like, Fletcher Cox is the dude. He thought he was the guy, and he was dead on. You know it. Fletcher Cox probably go to the Hall of Fame one day. And that's your good, really talented position coaches

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I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. like great evaluator of football character and kind of work ethic character,

just the character that surrounds what it takes to be an NFL player, you do depend on two or three guys on every staff during this time of year, and it doesn't feel like some of this stuff might not get pushed back. It might get just, you know, deleted. It might not happen. It might just vanish this year,

which, again, back to what I originally said, that's life. Shit happens. it's just going to kind of change. I wonder if, you know, in a couple, three or four years, it'll be like, ah, we didn't have enough time because of corona. I would imagine, I don't know if people will outwardly make that excuse because you'll kind of look bad, but it'll be,

it wouldn't shock me if there's some articles, like some GMs, don't love this process, they're getting things taken away from them. Because it's a league that, the reason that these scouts weren't yanked off the road right away, is because the competitive, you're so terrified. Well, if another team's not doing it, I can't do it. It's just I have to keep up with the Joneses. Because if I don't do that, we'll take a step back.

Because the difference in the NFL between the haves and the have-nots is like two players and a good coach. You know, in the NBA, it's like if you don't have LeBron or James Hardin or Steph, you've got no chance to win. In baseball, if you don't either have Billy Bean or a big payroll, you're going to lose. In football, it's just The difference between like the Redskins and the Cowboys next year

Could just be like if Ron Rivera gets the right quarterback Right, who's to say the Redskins couldn't be solid next year? Things change fast in the league. It's the one sport where every year new teams make the playoffs Every year first teams go to last place Just the constant, I don't know if parity is the right word Because over a 10, 20 year period, similar teams make the playoffs a lot but on any given year,

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Sean McDermott, talking to him at the Combine. Like, he's a team that probably feels he's a player or two away from being in the AFC championship game. I mean,

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You just send me a DM and we talk on the show. Well, actually, I might need a lot of these over if free agency gets pushed back and the draft gets pushed back. It's going to be some open real estate to do some, who knows what. even know. Do you think Major League Baseball would benefit if players could hit free agency after four years, if service time of seven years so players can sign bigger contracts in their 20s instead of their 30s? Also, do you think the NFL could benefit from a minor league system like MLB does so players can get reps? I think baseball is definitely a screwed up system. Too many guys because you've got to wait six years so you hit free agency, but that's six years until you get to the big leagues.

So if I'm a college player, and this is the benefit, this is why Kyler Murray played football, because Kyler Murray, before he got to, let's say he made the big leagues, which he was a first-round pick he would have. He might have been in the minors for three years, so he's 21 years old. He gets to the minors until 24 years old, gets up. Let's say he becomes a good player. He doesn't become a free agent until 30. Well, think about Kyler Murray in football. He's the number one overall pick, signs of $35 million contract, starts immediately.

He's a quarterback, so he's really famous. He's four years away, if he's really good, well, hell, he's already a year in. He's three years away from an extension. So there is, it sucks being a good baseball player because you've got to wait forever. That's why I think a lot of people think that there is going to be a strike in baseball. I'm still traveling for work and doing the same things I always try to do avoid getting sick from the cold and flu, but watching events of today and today's weird thought. Of all the leagues, NFL and Major League Baseball are best positions against Corona.

Fans typically outside, and especially football, if it's cold, fans are bundled up and have masks over their face to keep warm. Serious question. How do leagues plan for something like this? And while Combine had passed, if travel gets shut down in the U.S. like other countries, what impacts is there to the draft, if any, since scouts won't be able to get on airplanes? related question. What about college recruiting? I saw the SEC shut down college recruiting.

Like I talked about the pro days in the draft. I mean, it's going to cripple it. Your first question, how do they plan for something like this? I think this is part of life. I mean, there are things in tragedies. I don't know if we'd call this a tragedy yet. It's a pandemic. You know, tragedies when you, like Kobe Bryant's situation,

is a tragedy. You know, when your parents passed, I mean, I lost my dad a couple years ago. He was sick, and he had been sick for a little while. And while we didn't know the severity of his sickness, it turned out he had pancreatic cancer. My gut, and we just, he acted a lot different to last year.

Well, you know, it turns out his old stubborn ass was so sick he just kept his mouth shut, but he was a different human being. It just started getting weird. You know, but think how many people, you know that have tragedies in their life. Whether it's a, I'm going to get extreme here, but their son becomes a paraplegic or they lose a family member, a teenager.

I mean, these are the worst case of things. Or, you know, a guy gets in a drunk driving accident. I don't even know. I mean, these things happen every day. Not to always, I mean, for the most part, you don't even know them. You see them out on the news. I mean, tragedy strikes all the time. and you just got to find a way to keep going.

Good or bad. I mean, we have good things happen to us too. But I think there are just things in this crazy world that we're a part of being human beings that you just don't know what's coming, you know? And this is something that you would have said corona two months ago. You would have said light, you want a lime? You know, is it on tap? Now, Corona, I don't think we're ever going to say the word Corona again the same.

Can you give a take on how it's. cool to hate on billionaires and kind of so flaky when a billionaire says they're going to do a charitable donation. Then there is always the one guy who is like, in relative terms, it's like you give or I give $15, then contrast it with Cuban being a good guy.

I think you'd make a great take out of my poorly constructed paragraph. Yeah, I'm very uncomfortable with the way the media treats owners in general. Now, are there quote-unquote shitheads and debags and bad dudes for sure?

But are most guys pretty good guys, you know, Joe Lacob, like, you know, he's a brash talker, but does he do a lot for the community? And does he reinvest a lot in the community or Mark Cuban or Jed York? Or I'm just using the guys in my backyard, the Giants in their ownership? Yes. You know, is Dan Snyder a bad owner? One million percent. I do, I mean, people, you Redskins fans might know.

I don't know much information. I imagine the Redskins are, do give them. a lot back. I think we all act like these owners are just scumbags. And I talked about this at length on my other pod about the corona. I get uncomfortable when we talk about greed. When you run a big, big business, you have enormous expenses. Like Joe Lacob right now. He's a rich guy, but he overextended himself and got really aggressive to build this building in San Francisco. His expenses per game, while he makes five to six million a game there.

He depends on a lot of revenue to pay that. And think about his bill. Well, think about several of his employees. Clay Thompson makes $35 million. Steph makes $40. Dreymond now makes $25. On top of the other players,

his coaches, his insurance that he pays on the building, his countless, the payments that he's paying for his workers, which again, I mean, it's a business. When we say greed, like part of his, is just to keep the wheel churning of money in, money out, money in, money out.

Really, you know who's making the most cash and the most liquid? Are players, especially in the NBA. The NFL not as much. I mean, a few players. I would imagine several players in the NBA. LeBron, Steph, Hardin, some of the younger guys are probably not there yet. Chris Paul are more liquid. I'm talking, you look in their bank account, they might have $200 million.

Now Mark Cuban might have $200 million and Jerry Jones might not ever Mark Davis doesn't Mike Brown doesn't Vivek Rana Deveveh doesn't We just like pointing And the media does And I've said this all the time

I took journalism classes at Cal Poly I also took a lot of business classes I think it would behoove a lot of people J.A. Adande tweeted last night that all the tickets of all the canceled game should not be refunded. They should all go to the part-time workers. Because everyone that is getting,

that everyone that bought tickets, that is disposable income. Listen, I got no issue with JAA. I've always kind of liked them, but that is a laughable opinion. Because my take would be, besides rent and food and like basic stuff for your kids to clothe them,

everything is disposable income. And to act like everyone going to an NBA game is super wealthy would be one of the most the most moronic thoughts ever. It's just false. I mean, I bought tickets to go to an NBA game the other night. I'm by no means rich. That $220 I paid for the two tickets were,

not that I need the money, but I don't just give that money away. It doesn't mean nothing to me. And I think sometimes you see some of these takes with people in the media, it's like, guys, can you guys read a business book for the love of God? And you don't need to be pro. Like, listen, I'm not trying to beat the drums.

Like, while they cancel these games, the owner should profit at the same level. Of course not. But they're going to lose their ass. And they're, you know, they're depending on paying a lot of people. When you run a business, people think like liquid, liquid, liquid. A lot of the money is tied up. That's the way business works. I know a lot of you guys that are listening to this,

especially I've gotten a lot of listeners from the calling crowd. You guys are an educated crowd. You guys understand how this works. To me, there's a big difference between being quote-unquote greedy, which the NFL owners, when it comes to 17 and 18 games, you could argue that's greedy. Now, are they greedy in everything they do by giving the players some more money

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Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series

because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball.

Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. in the NFL than the other two sports. I'm talking the assistant coaches, the millionaires that are being created to be coordinators. That doesn't get time. That's not sexy. We saw the NFL was public enemy number one for many years with the media. Because I think we all acknowledge it stands for, you know, capitalism and just, you know, aggressive business more than the NBA,

who loves to, you know, kind of be a little more progressive. Yet we saw, are they any different in the NFL? We saw when China came up with Darry, what happened? The NBA got China's back because they love their revenue source. You know who likes revenue sources? All of us. We all do. Because everything costs money. My money just gets cut off. I owe like over $300,000 in this condo. I got to pay it off. I got a mortgage to pay off. You guys, house payments, payments for your kids, like we all need this revenue to keep coming in. We all start living. And money's, money's,

all relative. Whether $15 to me is $5 million to Joe Lacob or Jed York, it's still the same. Like that still means something. Now you can still, the difference is when, if we all get cut off tomorrow, myself, I'm only surviving for a finite period of time. I don't have an unlimited amount of money in my savings account. That money would run out relatively fast. I actually took a little and put it in my stock account because there's a couple stocks.

If they get to a couple low numbers, I'm diving back in. But that's a risky move. I actually put a five-figure amount in my stock account, and I started thinking, like, is that a smart move? Then I started thinking, you know, sometimes in life you've got to have some balls

and risk some stuff. But that's the risk I'm willing to take. Could it backfire? 100%. I just think we just love shitting on owners all the time. It just never ends. It gets exhausting to me sometimes. I'm not saying they're all,

I'm not calling them, you know, Mother Teresa here. But there is, I say it all the time. If I go to a Niner game next year and Joe Schmoe jumps off the top of the building, lands head first, and kill himself. Does Jimmy Garoppolo, or Tom Brady, we'll see how free agency plays out, or Nick Bosa or Joe Staley, or any of those guys have to worry about what just happened to that human? No, they shower and they go home. That's all on the owner. The players, especially in the NBA and baseball, Steph Curry now really doesn't even have a liability.

He could break his ankle or tear his ACL tomorrow, and it wouldn't matter at all. That entire contract is coming his way. Kevin Durant tore his Achilles. Every team in the league was lined up to give him a max contract. And he got one. Hell, the Warriors were giving it offering them more money. I just

I give Kevin Love some credit because I said the NBA is by far, they hang their hat were the most outspoken league and that's fine I got no problem with being a big talker just back it up with your actions and there are probably 30 plus players in the NBA

worth hundreds of millions of dollars like the NFL a rich player might have 20 million in the bank in the NBA to be I'd consider you rich you'd have 100 plus million in the bank Kevin Love has made 200 plus million in his career. And I gave him, he offered

$100,000 to help out these workers that are going to be impacted. I think every NBA team has a player on their team probably worth over $100 million. Some players have multiple. Like those guys, which all, the owners need to pick up the tab. Why don't the players pitch in a little too? It's an easy one

for him. I give Kevin Love a lot of credit. And there would be that the same people, that shit on the owners will be like, oh, $100,000 means nothing to them. What are we doing when we're playing that game? That game bothers me. It really does.

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Honestly, I hope that is the fact in the case. That's a great question. I can't honestly answer. I don't know. If I had to guess, you know, you know like in society right they've gone back and they've retroactively taken i don't know what the exact word is i'm missing there's a specific word and they've absolved people's charges right if you were serving five years for selling a hundred dollars or the weed because that was your second

strike they've let those people out in prison right there's a big difference we've realized between selling a dime bag and selling a crack rock and it felt like when i was growing up my my dad If you said weed or crack in like 91, he would have thought they were the same thing. The marketing against weed was you got to tip your hat to the alcohol industry, the cigarette industry. You might as well, and people, the baby boomers, at least the baby boomers that I was around, I mean, that weed was meth. You know what turns out? You know, actually weed might be better for you than alcohol. Do you know what I'm learning?

Do you know the worst thing that I use? Sugar! I mean, sugar! And I don't know. I would let those guys play, but with Roger and the NFL, you never know. Hi, John, really big fan. Just a question, as a British guy who has played American football for the last seven years, I was wondering what you thought of the prospect of NFL Europe returning

or even European XFL in the future, as basketball has produced many great European athletes from having those Euroleaks. It's a good question. You know, I would say they would just keep messing with the XFL. I think the Europe League is a little complicated logistically. Now, maybe they could add an XFL team to London. Maybe that would be on the table. I could see that.

Maybe if this XFL thing, you know, keeps going the way it is, you put an XFL team in London, and it's kind of a precursor to the Jags moving over there. I'm a diehard Eagles fan living in California. What is your opinion on the Eagles should do in regards to the draft and pre-agency? We have a solid tight end group, but need a lot of help at running back and receiver. I would love to see the Eagles go after Sammy Watkins and another wide receiver to be a top threat with Deshaun Jackson.

Your thoughts? Well, you know, Deshawn's now in his early 30s and he couldn't make it through more than one game last year. So I think, and I know that one game he had like 150 yards, two touchdowns. you almost have to look at anything you get from Deshawn next year's gravy. Alshan, because of his contracts, probably stuck. You got Ertz and Goddert. You got Miles Sanders who looks pretty good. You'd probably like to get a physical back in the mid-round's in the draft to go with him.

I think Sammy Watkins, you know, maybe a veteran guy like in Emmanuel Sanders. You'll see if other players are cut. You get involved in. Dion Lewis was just released from the Titans. Now, he's a little like Miles Sanders, but. You know, the West Coast offense, kind of what Doug and Andy Reid, they like those little scat-back, so maybe you sign a guy like that. I think you think about drafting a guy in the first couple rounds,

and then I think you sign a wide receiver. But to me, the number one, they need a corner. They do not have functional corners. So if you sign Byron Jones and maybe you draft a wide receiver in a corner in some rotation in the first and second round, that would probably be what I would do. But you would think, if you can keep the tight ends healthy, you got two dynamic tight ends.

We got one great tight end, and then you have Goddard, who should be a good player. You got Miles Sanders, who should be really good, and then you need, you know, Greg Ward Jr. is pretty good player. I talked to Doug at the combine.

I was like, God, Doug, that guy's, I got to play. So how did you become a scout for the Eagles? What were the steps for you getting there? You know, I just sent Andy Reed a letter, and he emailed me back and said, come. No, I, you know, I worked in college football.

I've told the story. I got involved when I was an undergrad at Cal Poly. I became a graduate assistant in recruiting at Fresno State. And then we had a lot of NFL players. You know, Brian Matthews, my second year was, I think, 15th overall pick, maybe 13th, replaced Ladanian-Thomason. So basically, every scout in the country was coming through. And in recruiting, you work with the scouts.

I worked with the pro-liason, meaning the guy that gives all the information for your college players to the scouts, and I just got to know them, and one thing led to another, and I got an opportunity. But I tell people all the time when they think about wanting to work in scouting, work in college,

and try to work with a bigger program, like a mid-major or a major. That's where the NFL players come from, and the scouts will come through. As a cowboy fan, am I crazy to want to move on from DAC at over $30 million a year and possibly sign James and let Amari walk and draft a receiver and keep Byron Jones,

James has potential just needs to Less picks healthy with eye surgery, who knows? I think there's a lot of faith in James's LASIC. I've never, I don't remember a LASIC that people thought Was gonna have that big of a changing moment for a human now. We'll see Steph Curry got LASIC but he could shoot before it You know, so I don't know I'd have to study Byron Jones to have a legitimate take

I mean clearly he's a solid player is the highest paid corner in NFL history worthy? That makes me a little nervous. You did trade a first round pick for Amari, but as we've talked about on here, Amari can be a little hit or miss. I'm with you. I don't love paying Dak historic money,

but he is pretty good. The problem is, if Dak doesn't get any better from here on out, you're just stuck with Dak paying him this historic freight. That's pretty risky. You're right. I mean, if James cuts down some picks, You get them with McCarthy, you get them with some of your, you know, you keep Amari.

You got what's his name from Colorado State, Michael Gallup. You got Zeke. You know, I think you draft, like, hell, you could draft a receiver to go along with those two guys, too. It's an offensive league. Your defense is already solid. Maybe you look at it like that. I just, you're kind of stuck. You know, this is why the Cowboys, I don't know why they're,

wait so long to always pay players. You got to pay them earlier, so you get them at discounted prices. The Cowboys wait, and then Jerry loves him, and then he pays him a premium, and then he gets in a cap trouble. I mean, it's kind of on Jerry. He just hates signing early because he,

I don't know. I love Jerry the businessman, but God, sometimes with his contracts, he's just pretty hit or miss. Sorry for, you know, this is a different podcast, Corona podcast. Appreciate you guys going with me

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