The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Dak Deal Doubts; QB Market Fallout; Philly's Hurts Plan; Quick Draft QB Takes; Mailbag

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

In this episode, John reacts to the Cowboys and Dak Prescott finally coming to terms on a long term deal and explains why he doesn't think Dak is worth top QB money. He also looks at the challenges facing teams evaluating college players during the pandemic, if the Eagles are making a mistake by reportedly building around Jalen Hurts, gives some rapid fire takes on this year's top draft QB prospects, and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dak Prescott, aka Dakota Prescott, has signed a long-term deal. Four years, $160 million. Here's the key. $126 million. guaranteed. Schefter writes, the first three years

average is $42 million. Jerry Jones once said, I've never had a problem paying a premium for a premium. And listen, I like Dak Prescott. I like everything he stands for.

I like his game. I just don't view him as a $40 million quarterback. My first reaction is It's kind of fucking nuts. I like franchise tagging him because it gave me wiggle room. Now I'm stuck with this guy as my quarterback

as we just saw multiple contemporaries in Carson Wentz and in Jared Goff being similar situations that both teams within a year or two of those deals being signed immediately wanted to pivot.

It just happened in front of Jerry's eyes. Now, I do understand he doesn't want to pay $37 million, the cap hit this season, but the cap hits are going to be huge when you factor in this type money. There's a lot of cash to give a guy. I have no problem giving Mahomes huge money. I have no problem giving Aaron Rogers big money. I have no problem giving Tom Brady big money, even though he never takes it. Russell Wilson, no issue.

I like Josh Allen a lot. I say it over and over and over again. Do it again. I would not extend Josh Allen this offseason. I say the same thing with Lamar. I am not extending Lamar Jackson this offseason. They have five-year contracts. They played three. Patrick Mahomes was an outlier of the outliers.

I'm making those guys play at least one other. I need more information if I'm going to invest this type money. What did Jerry learn last year that he didn't know the year before? Nothing. He got hurt. Like, I think Dak Prescott's a good player. and you can compete with Dak Prescott. Is he a great player? No. Is he a bad player? Of course not.

He's somewhere in the middle. Maybe, you know, top, I'd say, between 15 and 10, which is fine, which you can win with. Which I got no issue with if he's a $25 million player. He starts making $40. The salary caps $180 million. And even next year, it might not go up that much higher. I don't love this. I just don't.

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks One thing I'm going to steal from them is tractors and trailers And there is a small percentage of tractors in this league Like I said Brady, Mahomes, Russell, Rogers You might be able to cut it off there Rathesberger used to be not anymore The younger guys, I just don't know yet Josh Allen did it one year, can he do it too?

Lamar can't win in the playoffs It's like what is the rush to pay everybody Now they were in a tough spot with dad but I kept giving the Cowboys credit for giving themselves wiggle room. One of the most powerful things you can have in business is the ability to pivot, to not be stuck. Like to not, you know, I saw it left and right in San Francisco. All these companies with these $100 million leases on these office buildings,

they wanted out immediately once Corona hit. Some of them paid 50. I think Pinterest paid like $90 million to break their lease. Now, clearly you never could have expected Corona to hit in the world to change, but how often they think, like, God, should we have not leased it for 10 years, right? Because the more wiggle room, the more ability you have to hang a left, to hang a right, to just be flexible, the easier it is to get out of things that you wish you could. And you never wish you could get away from Patrick Mahomes. you never wish you could get away from LeBron James. You never wish, I see it with Steph Curry.

You don't want to get rid of Steph Curry. But I see so many other contracts in sports that the team immediately regrets. And to me, this kind of has that feel. It really does. Like, I just, I can't fathom giving a guy this much money who I don't think is a great player.

I say the thing in the NBA all the time. everyone gets a max contract now every single player whether you're Luca Donchich or Deeran Fox they get the same contract that doesn't mean they're equals and there's a reason

the Sacramento Kings never sniff the fucking playoffs because they keep giving these max contracts of non-max players they're like less than 10 max players in the league and then the next set of group they need to be with one of the max guys to be worth their max contract in football we've seen it

there are only a small percentage of great quarterbacks. Maybe I'm missing out Deshawn Watson, too. We'll see, though. He was on a terrible team. I know he had a great year. They didn't win. You can tell me, you know, quarterback and win-loss stat.

They don't go hand-in-hand, but we'll see. I don't know. I don't necessarily believe that. Everywhere Brady goes, he kicks ass. Rogers wins every year. Mahomes dominates. I actually think win-loss, like, if you're a good quarterback, you typically win. I'm not even trying to take a shot at Deshawn,

but my point is, like, does, do I, Am I winning with Dak at $40 million a year? I don't know. I get Jerry's in a tight spot. He's older. He doesn't have that much longer left in life. Maybe they took advantage of the situation a little bit. I just, that amount of money for Dak Prescott, I think it's pretty crazy.

You know the big winners of this? The NFCE stinks. But I just don't see how the Cowboys, Mike McCarthy's not any good. We saw it last year. Mike McCarthy just might not be a good coach. For all those years in Green Bay, you know who carried him? Ted Thompson, Aaron Rogers. Because I saw Mike last year with the Cowboys roster.

It was embarrassing. And I get it, Dak broke his ankle, but they weren't winning without it. Or when he was healthy. They were terrible. Listen, I'm happy the guy, I think he gets overrated. People like, oh my God, security. Colin said he got $50 million off the field. He made $32 million.

So alone, he's at $80-plus million. and he was going to get 30. He has more money than he ever know what to do with. Now he's really rich. I just, I can't, I can't get behind this move. I just, I can't. I think it's an overpay of overpace. You know, when you pay great,

or when you pay a good player, great money, it's when you get in tight spots. It happens over and over and over again. When you pay all-time great players, elite money, you're always okay with it. Paying Aaron Donald huge money, paying Keenan Allen big money, paying Boas's big money.

Like when I pay elite players, elite money, as long as they're healthy, obviously, they're fine. But when I pay good players, non-pro bowl players, elite money, that's when I get in trouble. Because how many times a season

am I going to get into a position where it's elite on elite? And can my guy be, because I'm paying them like the best player in the league, can he be the best player in the league? player on the field against playoff level teams. Because every time I step on the field with Aaron

Rogers, with Russell Wilson, with Patrick Mahomes, obviously with Brady, I know for a fact they can't. With Aaron Donald, with the great players, Dak Prescott just isn't that. God, Jerry. Crazy man. One thing

Jerry Jones just did by signing this contract was send ripple effects for other quarterbacks. And I've talked about Josh Allen and I've talked about Lamar Jackson. Now, I've said over and over, I would wait to sign these contracts. But if I were those guys' representation, the way player contracts work is like the law, it's just based on precedent.

It's like, well, this guy got that, I'm going to get this. Right? When you sell a home in a neighborhood, if you're selling a home for 500 grand, your next door neighbor, give or take, has an idea what his house worth. He's not going to sell his home for $1.5 million. That's not the way it works, right? Most neighborhoods, most condos, most anywhere are kind of similar. You have comparables on your street, in your neighborhood.

Well, it's the same way with quarterbacks, same way with players. The wide receiver market is kind of set. If you're a really good player, you go, well, Marry Cooper got $20 million. If I'm Keenan Allen, if I'm Devante Adams, if I'm a guy like that and I want a new contract, I want more than $20 million because I go, I'm better than Amari Cooper. So it over and over, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, I'm way. on. But if I was Lamar Jackson, I went, I won an MVP, you guys were losing, I came here, we started kicking ass, I'd be licking my lips. If I was his agent, I'd be like, Lamar, we're

going to get so much money, it's stupid. Josh Allen right now, if they are thinking about signing you to a contract extension, the starting point is Dakota Prescott. And I've heard this before, it's been written, other general managers and other teams are often not happy with Jerry Jones. because he signs these crazy deals. He gave Zika, you know, a couple years ago, $15 million a year. It's already a disaster contract. Now he gives Dak Prescott $40 million.

Imagine being the bills or the Ravens right now. You're like, oh my God, Jerry. Why did you have to do that? It's an incredible feeling if you're a seller, right? If your neighbor, like my condo complex, if someone, if my next door neighbor sold their condo for a million dollars, I would do cartwheels down the street. Woo!

I'd be screaming so loud, everyone could hear me. But if my neighbor sold his condo for 300 grand, I would be in tears. Right? That's exactly this set ripple effects throughout the entire national football league right now. Because the price is set for quarterbacks. Derek Carr,

rumors have been about the Raiders giving Derek Carr an extension. Derek Carr makes like $20 million. You can't convince me Dax any better than Derek. Hell, they're probably about the same player. What do you think Derek and his representation are thinking? We are going to make so much money. It's stupid. It's going to be feeding season.

And I just... I don't know, man. You got to be very careful. I understand why these contracts happens, whether I agree with it or not. I get it. I understand what Jerry did. Whether he thought he didn't have a choice,

whether he thought this was the going market, whatever. I just know if I was in a seat or if I was a GM on another team, under no circumstances would I want to build my team around DAC at that price point? Because this is not Major League Baseball. We have a salary cap. The impact of that

limits what I'm able to do around the guy. I just don't think they're going to be able to win. And I think that it's, unless the cap fires back up, which people think it will eventually, but it might take a couple years. You start paying a quarterback $40 million, even Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Like it's one thing when they're on their rookie contract,

it's another thing when they start making $35, $40 million, and it's not even arguable. That's just their number now. That's the number they're going to get. No one can, it's not even disputable. It was just, the number was, Dak Prescott, just set the tone for the future quarterbacks about to get paid.

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we haven't done that many things maybe we had a job or two two in college, but a lot of times, like, working at a bar, working at a pizza joint, maybe you interned in a summer at a financial institution or whatever and that's going to lead to a bigger job. But I'd say for the most part, that's very hit or miss. Right. A lot of times you're interviewing for a job, they're not basing it off that much. Now, granted, they're not paying you that much. I would say most college graduates, you know, depending on what's going on in the world, right? I graduated in 08. not a great time to hit the workforce, but, you know, 60, 50, 70, whatever, $1,000.

And they can get rid of you at any time. And a lot of people go into sales jobs, whatever. So they're not investing that much. We're in football. If you're first or second round pick, I'm guaranteeing you four years. I'm paying you a lot of money. So I use your years of playing at USC, Texas, Ohio State, whatever. Every snap you've ever played, I have it on film.

But obviously, like when I hire a college kid, I am hiring the person. So just because you're a great wide receiver, if you're a bad guy or questionable character, do I want to bring you into my operation? Where in the real world, it's hard to really gauge that. We're in football, given I'm paying you so much money, and I have so much information, your college coaches, your college counselors, your college teammates, I can find a lot about you as a person. and that is what, you know, as a college scout,

you're just trying to acquire all that information. I always thought pro days were a little overrated because typically you had the combine and you had the entire year of coming through a program. So if you went into Oregon three or four times, if you went into Alabama multiple times or whatever, you gathered so much information. You talk to the players, you talk to the coaches,

then at the Combine and the All-Star Games, you do way more work. By the time the pro day gets there, it feels like I'm on information overload. I know everything. I feel very, very confident about the grade I have on the person, about the character write-up I have on the person.

You can throw that out the window this year. Scouts were not allowed into universities this year. It was an NFL rule. And then the Combine did not take place. So this year the pro days, which historically, in my opinion, very overreact, four guys that were kind of lock first and second round players. Unless there were some questions about character stuff or the personality or just as simple as

my coach and my general manager want to take Penae Soule out to dinner the night before the pro day. Because I'm the Atlanta Falcons and I might draft him fourth. So I would take him out to dinner the night before. And right now all that's out the window. I read a couple weeks back, Adam Peters, one of the executives for the 49ers, did like this Q&A with the athletic. And one thing he said is that right now the rules, only three members of a staff, are allowed to go to a pro day. It's why when the Trevor Lawrence pro day happened, it was Urban Meyer, the OC, and the quarterback coach. They couldn't take Trembalky.

You couldn't take scouts. You're limited this year. It is very, very difficult. In the scouting community, as a general manager, I mean, as fans, you want your team to have as much information as possible. Because we already know this isn't the exact size. You're acquiring people that are 21, 22, 23 years old. The margin for error is high, even when guys are talented. Because you're dealing with real people.

The people are the assets. These are not widgets. We're not acquiring a warehouse. We're not acquiring trucks. We're acquiring human beings that have problems and issues. like we all do. And then the pressure that comes on with being a top 10, 15, 20 pick, hell, just saying you're a first rounder.

The elephant in the room at every training camp is, what does the first rounder look like? I don't care where you are. I've been with the Eagles when our first rounder was in the 20s. I've been at the Niners practice when the guys were in the 20s. I've also been when it's a top 10 pick. I've seen what does Khalil Mack's first practice look like? Damn, Khalil Mack looks pretty good.

What does DeForest Buckner look like? Also, I've seen it the other end. What does A.J. Jenkins look like. What does Danny Watkins look like? I've seen him look terrible. But the number one thing you look for in training camp, as a fan, as a scout, as me who just bullshits now into a mic, when I go to these camps, what was that first rounder look like? Fair or not. So the pressure this year on these pro days, given that the limited information you have, a huge reason why in football, why,

people are so big, even though how fast you run into 40 is not going to make or break your career. Keenan Allen ran like a 4-7-8. He is not fast. Devante Adams cannot run in the 4-4s. Those are like DeAndre Hopkins is not fast. The three best wide receivers in the league. So it does not determine your success. But when you run, when you do the agility drills, when I get your information, I can compare you to, I don't know,

every wide receiver the last 30 rounds or 30 years. Same with defensive linemen. Same with offensive linemen. Your height, your weight, your arm length. We're playing football here. So the measurements, the speeds, I just like being able to put you up on a board and just relate, right?

Because this is an economic exercise in what draft pick, what draft capital do I have to use to acquire a player? So I want to try to figure out what's this guy worth, what I think this guy can be and I think this year

is going to be very, very difficult. The scouts aren't going to feel as comfortable. The coaches aren't going to have the access to the players besides with Zoom. And as, listen, I've done a lot of Zoom, you can have very good interaction in Zoom. But I think we'd all admit there is something to human interaction.

There is something to, I don't know, being with a guy for a day. They used to have these things in the NFL back before Corona called Top 30 visits. You could bring in 30 players. This was after the Combine, after the Pro Day, to your building for 24 hours. You take him to dinner.

He could spend time with your coordinator. He could spend time with your general manager. If he was a first-round pick, he might spend time with your owner. I don't even know if that's taken place. It obviously didn't last year. I would imagine it probably won't this year. It's not worth the risk. It's just an easy one to say no.

Because like we always say, the owners, and definitely the league office, they don't worry about all of them. When the draft happens, they'll do huge ratings, don't make a lot of money. But the actual process that leads to acquiring these players is going to be very, very difficult. And like I said, been to a lot of pro days,

always thought they were kind of stupid. They're not stupid this year. They're very, very important. So the teams that are going to have the most success in the draft are going to put a priority on these pro days. And listen, it shouldn't make or break how good you're going to be in the NFL by how you work out in shorts and a T-shirt.

But the information, maybe you'll be able to require, maybe, you know, a position coach. Because a lot of these times that the college director, the scout, is not going to attend the pro day with the top guys. It's going to be the coach. It's going to be the GM. It's going to be incumbent on them that not just talk to the head coach, talk to the coordinator, talk to a position coach, talk to just people that are going to give you good information. Because that might be your only time this year to acquire that kind of raw and real in-person information. I do not, I am not jealous.

I do not envy these guys in this position this year. It is very, besides the no-brainers, the Trevor Lawrence's and the Jamar Chases, most guys are not no-brainers. The majority of prospects, and that includes the top 10 guys, let alone the rest of the round, have question marks, have holes in their resume that you're just trying to fill out. And I think it's never been harder to kind of fill and plug those holes with information than it will be this year.

So you just, you got to do as much work as possible and just kind of keep your fingers crossed. Okay, let's dive into something that's a little story from a guy named Chris Mortensen. I don't know, he's just probably him or shefter, the most famous NFL reporter ever, knows his stuff. This guy doesn't just throw things at a wall

and hope they stick. He knows what's going on. And he tweeted a couple things today that stood out to me. Now, these are things that I had heard rumblings of and already thought, but he doubled down and made it public. He basically said that sources say the boss, Jeffrey Lurie, has instructed his group to prioritize making Jalen Hertz successful in 2021,

as opposed to creating competition, i.e. drafting a quarterback with their, you know, high first-round pick. Eagle's owner, Jeffrey Lurie, he went on to tweet this. Jeffrey Lurie made it fairly clear after firing Doug Peterson he wanted the franchise to reembrace a long-range philosophy that resulted in a Lombardi trophy Jalen Hurtz showed promise, energized the team in only four games, many owners share vision

especially when it comes to quarterback. Do you think the Carson Wentz, this is Morton's tweets, do you think the Carson Wentz scenario unfolds without Lurie's input? Lurie wants staff to build around Hertz and see if he's the guy. But other veteran quarterbacks can be added. There's been some opinions expressed

that the Eagles should draft BYU, Zach Wilson. As of now, that would mean offering major compensation to get in that second slot using the type of draft capital that is necessary to replenish the roster. So it's pretty clear. And I think an underrated attribute in the NFL that doesn't get talked about a lot,

we always, the fans do it, I'm guilty to, our natural reaction is to crush a coach or a GM. That idiot? What? How did he take that guy? And we don't often factor in that there is a guy sitting right next to him

that signs all their checks who's worth billions of dollars in all these organizations who owns the team and at any moment's notice can say, I want that guy. I want to do that. And listen, it's easy to go.

If I was an owner, I would just hire the best guys and let them do stuff. Yet all of us, myself included, have sit on our couch and have ideas. Well, why would the guy who is in charge of the entire operation, who owns the team who has all the money, not occasionally, want to give his input? And I think it's pretty clear that last year, and like Mortensen kind of alludes to, under no circumstances, would they have traded Carson Wence without Jeffrey Lurie's blessing? I actually don't think it's even possible that Carson Wence is traded without Jeffrey Lurie wanting him gone.

I had someone in the Eagles a couple years ago tell me that Jeffrey Lurie viewed Carson Wence as a son. Love the guy. Clearly gave him the biggest contract in the history of the franchise, despite him being injured. So as much as Howie or Doug or any of those guys liked him Without Jeffrey being on board It does not happen Same with trading up to get him Jeffrey had to be on board

Well think about last year The Carson situation It started getting weird The playoff game had happened Which was kind of freakish He had the concussion But it just It added to everyone

The speculation of like Can this guy stay healthy Even though for the first time Basically since his rookie year He played all 16 games And they draft the second round quarterback Do you think in a million years in the NFL in 2020 you're drafting a quarterback in the second round

without the owner, not only giving his blessing, but being on board and actually wanting it to happen? To me it was pretty clear. And you guys know if you've listened to show for a while, I'm not a Jalen Hurts guy. To me, he's a running back, or at least that's what I viewed him as coming out of college. I'll be the first to agree with anyone.

He actually looked pretty good in moments in those four games that he played. Had some bad moments, had some good moments. Better than I thought. I still am not a believer. I would not do that. But here's the thing. I'm lucky enough to know people in pretty powerful positions in the league.

And they will tell you the most powerful thing to own around draft time are second and third round picks. Why? Because those are the best bang for your buck. Because if you hit on a player in the second or third round, a D.K. Metcalf, an A.J. Brown, a Fred Warner, Deshawn Jackson, LaShawn McCall... I mean, a million players over the decades have come out of the second and third rounds. Do you know how cheap those guys are for all-star level players, all pro-level players,

impact level starters for three and four years? I mean, you have them under contract for four years. You obviously can extend them after the third year. It's a very, very powerful thing to happen. and there is no better deal in sports than having a quarterback who starts for your team who's drafted after the first round because he's really cheap so from an economic standpoint it makes sense to see if this guy can play

whether we think he's good or not he's on their roster they used a second round pick on him and in fairness to the player showed some promise Now, as Mortensen was tweeting, there is not, you know, unanimous decision inside the building that he's the guy. There couldn't be. He's too polarizing of a player and there are just going to be people that don't believe in the guy. Right?

I'm sure many people listening are like, God, I think it's pretty crazy they're doing this. But they are. And I understand Jeffrey Lurie's point. Well, let's just see. Because he actually, if he is good, and I don't mean he's never going to be a top five player, but can he be a top 15 quarterback? Again, I'm not saying I believe he can. I would bet against that for sure.

But if he's on your roster, you might as well check it out. And this is my issue with second round quarterbacks. My theory has been, I'm not doing it. Because the last decade, there's been like two that are good. Like Derek Hard and Jimmy Garoppolo. Andy Dalton had some moments. Kaepernick had some moments. Obviously, he got blackballed or whatever, but before he did,

he was not playing very well at all. They're just very hit or miss. and even Derek Carr's had up and downs, Jimmy Garoppolo's had up and downs, Andy Dalton's had up and downs. But the pressure that the second round quarterback brings is like, the pressure from the fans

and the outside is like, oh, he's got to be the starter, a franchise guy. You see it right now with Denver with Drew Locke. There's a lot of pressure on a second round quarterback because they kind of have this elephant in the room like, yeah, they're borderline of first round quarterback. They should be a franchise guy or see if they can be a franchise guy,

even though there's a reason they fall the second round. But every once in a while they do hit, right? A Russell Wilson, a DAC. I mean, those guys are third and fourths, but you get the point. But the great part about even drafted a guy in the third or fourth, there's not the same pressure as the second. So there is internal pressure, clearly from the owner.

He's the boss. I don't blame him. If I owned an NFL team, do you think I was like, yeah, draft whoever you want? No, I'd be watching college football. I would just, hey, give me the highlights of the top. 50 guys in the draft. I'd check them out. We all would. If you love football, you own the team. It's easy to be an absentee owner. Those guys don't, and there's too much money in the line right now.

Now you can say, you know, John, you got to hire the best guys and let them cook. Yeah, in theory, that's easy to say. And then you start having the biggest office in the building and you realize your name's at the bottom of the check. You're like, you know, I think I know football. Because, like, this isn't rocket science. You can learn and figure it out. I'm not saying he's right. I think he's wrong on this. But I get where he's coming. coming from. I understand, like, let's just see if this guy can play because he's here. You know, all the, you know, is he good enough? Well, let's find out because we have him on a cheap deal and maybe in a couple years we can build this team because we don't have to spend that much

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Let's do a little rapid fire college quarterback talk. I'm just going to go through the guys. just some things that I'm hearing negatively or positively about the player. Obviously, the guy who's going to go number one overall, it's set in stone, he's been the number one overall pick for several years, Trevor Lawrence. I don't think it wastes that much time us even talking about the guy. Now, I've been on record, I think he's a little overhyped in the sense of he's being compared to John Elway and Andrew Luck and like Peyton Manning.

The chances that he lives up to that to me seems pretty slim. People forget Andrew Luck was the number one pick in the draft. the next year his team made the playoffs as a wild card. For three straight years, they made the playoffs, and every year they got farther in the playoff rounds. Like, that happened. Is Trevor Lawrence have that in the bag? I get it, he's really physically gifted.

He's a great athlete. He's got a good arm. He's accurate. Everyone views them, it feels like, on the outside, and people I know in the league, is like, I can't miss prospect. He's going to go number one overall, and then we'll judge.

Because you know what can't miss prospects do? They dominate. They're historically great players. We'll see. The pressure is on him. The pressure on Trevor Lawrence is immense. The only reason there's not that much pressure is because we don't really pay attention to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Now, Urban Meyer brings more pressure, but let's face it, they're a little bit of an under-the-radar team. Zach Wilson, who I saw Chris Sims, had as his number one quarterback in this draft class ahead of Trevor Lawrence. And I've seen some people that cover the draft and talk to different teams say that they've talked to teams that have Zach Wilson ahead of Trevor Lawrence.

I don't know any of those teams But I don't believe I do think there's a chance that exists I also think it's easy for a team Drafting in the 20s a team that's never going to touch him To do that it doesn't really matter The number one knock I've heard from people that have evaluated Zach Wilson and I watched a lot of Zach Wilson this year

And I think I've talked about it on the show before He weighs 200 pounds 200 pounds Smallest quarterback in the league is like Kyler Murray Who weighs 210 pounds and it's like a block of muscle who's 5'8. Zach Wilson isn't very big. Also, his level of competition, he had one great year.

Checked BYU's schedule. Pretty crappy. Now, he made some remarkable plays. If you watched him play, it was awesome. He's making sidearm throws. He's scrambling around. He's throwing dimes. His highlight package this year was fantastic.

He has excellent tape against lower level competition. That's not argument. Not his fault because BYU was scheduled to play a bunch of Pact 12 teams. Their schedule typically is loaded. But because of Corona, the Pact 12 didn't play any conference or non-conference games, they had to schedule all these crappy teams. And he kicked their ass. And he was awesome.

But I do think his size, you know, some people question it. They don't even question it. They just, they're not comfortable with it. There were also some questions about his maturity the first two years. I think this year, when he played well, people liked him a lot. and he did a good job in the program as a leader. But the first two years, there were question marks there, that exist. And the scouting community, and the GMs and the coach just have to ask themselves,

and when they deal with him, is he a new guy? Is he more mature moving forward? That's kind of the elephant in the room with him. Justin Fields. The upside is through the roof, right? He is 6.3.5. He can run. He's got a huge arm.

We saw some of those throws he made in the playoff game. The thing I like about the guy the most is that when the season, when the media was trying to end the season, like, no, Big Ten, they're doing the great thing, them in the Pack 12, the SEC is putting their players in harm's way. Justin Fields was the most outspoken player that said, fuck this, I want to play. The media, they don't get to dictate whether I play or not.

I want to play. I was like, I like this kid. I hadn't really watched them play that much. I immediately became a fan because everyone's like, I'll just cancel the season. He's like, screw that. That's your problem. I want to play.

So do all my teammates and all my coaches. And they did. And he was a little hit or miss. And I know Mel Kiper talked about it. He went on this long rant that a lot of people say that he doesn't anticipate that well. I look at Justin Fields a lot like Josh Allen and a lot like Justin Herbert. There is a reason. So it's like, you know, he doesn't see some things.

He doesn't anticipate these throws well. What am I paying my head coach $10 million for? What am I paying my offensive coordinator, $1.5 million for. What am I paying my quarterback coach 800K for? That is the price of what guys make in the league now. I'm paying all these coaches, all this money. Coach this guy up. Because I saw it with Josh Allen. I saw it last year with Justin Herbert. It's once they got in the league, their physical skills translated. And here's what I know about Justin Fields. His physical skills translate. Does he need some work? Of course he does.

That is why we're paying all these coaches all this money. Coach these guys. up. Once upon a time, Andy Reid and Brett Vitz, they looked at Patrick Mahomes and they go, we can work with this. Sean McDermott said, we want that in Josh Allen. You got to have a little bit of a vision, right? We're not talking about a 30-year-old free agent. This is not a finished product. You're talking about a 21, 22-year-old, super high character, a guy that refused to not play, even when the mainstream media desperately wanted to cancel the season. He basically he gave him double middle fingers. The own presidents of the university had tapped out.

He refused. I can't have any more admiration for the guy in his mindset. And then he was kind of hit or missed during the season. It was tough, right? Big Ten's good. That game that he had in the playoffs was awesome. And then the national championship wasn't that great. Played Alabama.

But you can't tell me there's not a lot to work with there. But he is a project feels strong, but he's closer to a project than a finished product. Mac Jones My philosophy is I was a big pocket quarterback like any human being over the last couple decades, right? It's what you wanted.

I wanted a Tom Brady, I wanted an Eli Manning, a Peyton Manning, a Philip Rivers, those were the type quarterbacks winning in the league. Then the game changed. The offensive linemen coming into the NFL were not the same. The defensive lineman, I heard Greg Olson tell Colin Coward this.

He said the biggest difference now in the NFL is when I first came in the league in like 07-08, every team had like one sweet defensive linemen, right? You'd play the Giants they had Michael Strayan. You'd play the Patriots they had Richard Seymour. You'd play whoever they had one sweet player. He's like, the last three or four years, most teams have several guys.

The defensive linemen have come in the league at a faster pace than the offensive linemen. It's basic supply of demand. So these quarterbacks now, why athleticism is important, because I can't block these defensive. defensive linemen. So I need athletic quarterbacks. Because the offensive linemen

like 10, 15, 20 years ago, there were better offensive linemen consistently coming in the league than sweet defensive lineman. That is not the case anymore. So I am a big believer. I need my quarterback to be athletic. Now, as you see Tom Brady still plays at a really high level, I would say he's a little bit of an outlier.

The knock on Mack Jones is he can't really move. He is not an athlete. Definitely compared to the Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance. He can't hold their jock in terms of moving around. That's not his deal. His play is really Matt Ryan. Now, I like Mac Jones. I'd say most people that watched him play had to come away thinking he's pretty good. Devante Smith, Jalen Waddle, they keep saying, this guy's better than Tua. My issue with him and the NFL's issue with him is, is he a stiff?

And am I going to get into a position like Jared Gough? Jared Gough can't move. So when your offensive line's not good, he's a sitting duck. And then he doesn't have a great arm. And part of playing Alabama, I think the question is he was on an all-star. team. Will that translate? I don't know. I think that's what everyone's trying to ask themselves. Is he just a great player or is he a product of the greatness around him? I don't have the answer. I would lean, I'm just out on guys that can't move in 2021. Maybe things are cyclical and things come back, but right now, I don't know if I could pull the trigger on a guy who's just, who can't keep plays alive with his lakes. I just, that's not the way the league's going.

Trey Lance, obviously only started one season. They played a game this year. I'm not even counting it. It's not even fair to. His one season, he was awesome. I don't think he threw a pick. The knock that I've heard from people who have studied him really closely, he's got a hitchy release. Part of being a quarterback and a good quarterback prospect, one of the number one things we talk about in a draft meeting is how fast is he gets rid of the ball? Like the cream of the crop is like Dan Marino, who gets rid of the ball instantly. Aaron Rogers, right? They have a flick of the wrist, it's gone. Zach Wilson actually has a very, very quick really guys in the NFL like, you know, Derek Carr can get rid of the ball fast.

Obviously, Tom can. Like, I need to get the ball in and out of your hand quickly. We're talking milliseconds to determine first downs, touchdowns, or punts. That's the margin for error in the league. And I watch some highlights of them. It does look a little hitchy. Now, again, back to what I said about Justin Fields is, I pay my coaches all this money.

What I'm asking them is, can we coach this out of them? Or is a, and I've never played quarterback, besides just throwing a ball in a yard. So if you're a quarterback listening, obviously we've watched a lot of quarterbacks, I'd argue muscle memory is hard to change. Like your muscle memory with an arm throwing the ball, I think it works in golf with your golf swing.

When pressure's on, you typically resort back to that. It was the knock. I'm not comparing Trey Lance to Tibo. He's a better prospect. Remember, the big knock on Tibo, besides his arm, strength wasn't great, was his loopy release. and it's like we can coach that out of them.

And the simple reality is you can't. Because under pressure, which most NFL snaps are, you resort back, your muscle memory just does what it naturally is used to doing. And it goes back to the loopier release. So that to me is a question mark that is just kind of unanswered because he hasn't really played that much. And he's coming from a really small school. So there are questions, like, I don't think there are really question marks on Trevor Lawrence.

My only question is this is the overhype. But it's irrelevant. He's going to go number one overall. The next crew of guys, like, I think if you went to 10 different NFL buildings, you'd probably have different rankings in all of them. There's probably 10 different rankings all over the league on these quarterbacks. One team has Mac Jones second. One team has Trey Lance second.

One team has Zach Wilson fourth. One team has what it's going to be in the eye of the beholder. In the eye of what I can do for this player, what we can project him to do under our coaching. Because that's how you have to think about all these guys. They're all work in progress besides quote-unquote Trevor Lawrence. They're all going to be guys that are going to need development.

And as we know, like in the modern-day NFL, there is no going Carson Palmer sitting for a year, even Mahomes. Typically, you get drafted high in the first round. You're playing. Your starter immediately, day one. And it's just going to, some of these quarterbacks are going to bust. More than likely of the five of them, and Kellen Mond, he's a name that's out there.

It kind of feels like a late riser. I don't really have that much information. I'm going to have to do a little more work on him. But of Lawrence Wilson, Fields, Jones, Lance, I'd say the likelihood out of the five of them, maybe two of them are Pro Bowl level players. Probably just based on the stats, three of them are going to be,

one of them is going to be an epic failure. Two of them are going to be average of best, you know, like Trubisky types. Just the way the NFL works. And that's the cool part about the draft, leading into it and then even leading into when they start first play, it's all optimism. It's all what could be. And then we start getting tangible information.

Can he do stuff? Can he not do stuff? And really, you don't learn for a couple years what his true limitations are, right? It's a fun part about talking quarterbacks. Okay, Middlecoff Mailbag, at John Middlecalfe is the Instagram handle. Fire up in those DMs, as my guy Michael just did. And because as I opened my DMs, his DMs popped up. up, I'm going to read him first.

What the hell did Jerry win in that negotiation? Dak got the short deal, $40 million a year, massive guarantees. What was Jerry going for? I don't see a single thing Jerry got that he wanted, except that Dak is a cowboy, and he doesn't have to see his once girlfriend happy with another dude. I like the analogy. It's a hell of a question. That's a player-only win.

unless Dak Prescott becomes an MVP level player I just I don't see it So that's a huge win for Dak and his representation You know the media kept telling me it's like Oh you know he doesn't have any money I feel so bad for him Well he just made 30 plus million dollars last year Like he Dack's not poor

And now he's really rich And I got no problem with the guy getting money I just When you're talking from a team building standpoint You got to be careful about giving the wrong contract to the wrong guy. Now, I think he's the right guy as a person. I just question his football ability. Like, is he ever going to be a top five quarterback in the NFL? Because if he's not, then you're in

trouble when you're paying him this type money. Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. I'm seeing a lot of people pick Wilson over Fields, which I find interesting consider Fields outstanding body of work against better competition. Yeah, I mean, I'm going Justin Fields. To me, Justin Fields is my second favorite quarterback in this class because I'm looking at him like a project with the highest upside. And if he can get to a coach that knows what he's doing, right, a little, I'm not comparing him to Mahomes. I don't think Justin Fields can, but if Justin Fields can get to a Kyle Shanahan, can get to a, you know, Sean Payton, I think the upside is through the roof. I really do. And I just, I'm not into smaller players. I like my guy, I like, I like big thoroughbreds.

I like my guys that look like Josh Allen. I like my guys to look like Justin Herbert. I like guys to walk through the room and look like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. It's a big boy league because you got big boys chasing after you. I like my guys to be big. It's my issue with Kyler Murray. I like Kyler Murray. I think his physical skill set is fantastic. I just don't want my quarterback to be 5'8. You know? What do you think about this three-team trade? 49ers get Derek Carr. The Patriots get Jimmy Garoppel. The Raiders get the 49ers, 2021 first round pick. The Patriots, 2021 first round pick. So that's pick 13 and pick,

or pick 12 and 15. Hear me out. DC would thrive under Kyle Shanahan, so the 49ers can justify sending a first round pick for him. And I don't get the impression that Kyle wants to be bothered with the rookie quarterback. A first rounder is probably a massive overpay for Jimmy Garoppolo, but if there's any team that thinks he's good, it's the Patriots. Bill always dreamed of Jimmy, as his quarterback too, agree, thought he was as Steve Young.

And he's desperate to win, agreed. So drafting a rookie quarterback doesn't seem ideal for New England. That would also give the Raiders three picks in this year's first round. They could package all three picks along with next year's first round pick to land either Deshawn Watson or Russell Wilson. Just curious to get your opinion on that. Well, I don't think Jimmy Garoppolo is worth a first round pick, even with the Patriots being desperate.

Because the Patriots traded Jimmy Garoppolo to the Niners when he was a better un-eatered. known for a second, and I'd say his stock is lower. But I think you're kind of on to something. I think that Russell Wilson by far makes the most sense with the Raiders. I don't think he makes sense anywhere else. Obviously, the Cowboys now are not an option. Peter King wrote The Bears, don't have a snowballs chance in hell, and neither are the Saints.

To me, if Russell Wilson's going to stick to that list, his only option is the Raiders. But I don't see why the Raiders would even do a deal with a three-way deal. why wouldn't they just do a deal straight up with Seattle? Because if I'm Seattle, and I want Russell, if I want to trade Russell Wilson, the Raiders, I want Derek Carr back. If I'm Seattle,

here's the thing with Seattle, and I think there's a decent chance Russell gets traded. You cannot trade. It's not one of those things like, you know, broke up my girlfriend, I'm just going to hit the open market, see what happens.

That happens a lot, right? Or vice versa. A girlfriend dumps you, she just needs some time to hit the open market. You don't do that with a quarterback. You don't just like, oh, we'll get rid of Russell.

Russell Wilson, best player in the history of the franchise, Hall of Famer. We'll just figure it out. That's not going to happen. To me, if I'm Seattle, I want Derrick Carr. I would take... But, I mean, I think he would be good with Kyle. What would the Browns realistically get for Beckham Jr.? I think for OBJ with his contract,

he probably get like a third rounder. He's coming off in ACL. He hasn't been that productive. Even though he did show signs of greatness last year, Nujoku, pretty sure he's in the last year of his contract. It's a pretty talented guy. It feels like they've been trying to trade him for years. I got a red flag on that guy.

I think all these guys go for second or third round picks. If I personally, I used to love O'Dell Beckham Jr. Coming off an ACL, I'd probably be willing to trade like a fourth round pick. A little like Randy Moss at the Raiders. Maybe I get a bounce back year or two from them, but I'd be pretty leery right now. And what are your best sites for mock drafts? That's a great question.

I don't really, I mean, Twitter, I just, I get them forwarded to me. I'm not a huge mock draft guy. Kind of sounds crazy, but just people forward me mocked. NFL.com, Lance Surlyne, Daniel Jeremiah, are probably the mock drafts I look at, Mel Kipers. Looking for your opinion on my Cowboys. If one of the quarterbacks is available in the draft, most likely Mack Jones,

and it looks like DAC is going to be another franchise tag, so obviously this is an older question. I like DAC, but not at 40 plus million. Is Mac Jones a decent prospect or the product of playing Alabama team with the all-time receiving group? Well, Dak Prescott is your quarterback, $40 million, and you don't have to worry about Mac Jones.

One thing with the Cowboys is, you know, they do have the opportunity at Pick 10 to get a really, really good player. I would probably draft an offensive lineman. You know, they have a lot invested in that offense now. Dax's making huge cash, Zieg makes huge cash, Amari makes huge cash, C.D. Lamb,

is a top, he was a 17th pick in the draft, so he makes good money. Obviously, some of those offensive linemen who are breaking down have made huge cash in the past. They've invested a lot of money. Question for you on Bud Dupree. It was obvious to me in 2020, the turning point in the Steelers season was losing Bud, I would agree. Do you see a strong market for him coming off a major injury like an ACL? And two, do you think paying two top pass rushers make sense in the modern NFL?

Thinking about San Francisco moving on from Buckner after paying him? interested to hear your thoughts. I think it's really difficult. I think the best time to have the two pass rushers is when one of the guys was under a rookie contract. And they had Bosa, they had Armstead, they had Bukner, and they paid for D. Ford. Well, eventually, Armstead and Buckner needed to get paid.

Bosa was still on the rookie contract, and D. Ford was already paid. You couldn't keep them all. You know, to me, the move, if you're the Steelers, is probably a franchise trade and get a pick. Franchise them and trade them. You know, maybe you get a second round pick for them. It's to do that because you can't pay T.J. Watt. You're going to have to pay Mink of Fitzpatrick.

You're going to need offensive help. You're going to need a new quarterback. I love defensive linemen, and they're the most important thing in the league, probably beside quarterbacks, but you can't have multiple defensive linemen if, you know, making $25 million, $20, $25 million. I'm not saying Bud Dupree is worth $25 million, but T.J. Watt's going to make more in Kalee Mack. And Bud Dupree is going to make a ton. So I think the move is you just have to get value for Bud Dupree, whether that's going to make. I think it's franchise and trade. That would be my move.

Probably a little complicated, right, with the ACL, but it is what it is. I was looking for some advice. I know you've ever worked for Fresno State and the Eagles. I have a potential opportunity working in scouting personnel operation department with a professional sports team. I was wondering why you left and if you liked working in those professions. Well, when Chip came in, I got, I didn't, my contract wasn't renewed.

And I had done the West Coast, So I had moved back to my home area, and I was living in the Bay Area, and I just didn't want to move again. You know, and I didn't really, some opportunities, I'd hope, didn't really present himself. There were a couple potential opportunities. One was like moving to the southwest, like scouting like Arkansas and Louisiana, and that just, I don't know, it didn't do it for me. I wanted to try other things. Now, if someone would have offered me a job in scouting, and I had only known the people, like, my network wasn't very big. You know, I had worked with the Eagles 25, 26, and 27.

So all of a sudden, in 2000, whatever, 13 or 14, I just, I need to get a job. I only knew the people that were with the Eagles. And I tried, and it just didn't present itself. So I just said, screw it. Like, I don't, I'll just do something else. And then within a year, I had a radio show in San Francisco. So I just moved, you know, just my mindset. And I just, I've always been open-minded doing other things.

If you listen to this, you know I like business, and things just changed, and I just went down a different career path. I say it all the time. I really like football. Do I love football? Probably not as much as many of the people I worked with. So I had got my cup of Joe in the league. It had been a great experience. I've met a lot of people that are really good at their jobs.

Lucky enough to no head coaches and GMs. And I got to work for arguably the second best coach in the league and Andy Reed. And he's still a friend to this day. you know, just, I was lucky and I've, I've never looked back. I, I'm, I was a good scout, but I'm a better at doing this. So I don't really, it was fun. When you're living in it, I mean, there are challenges. It's a lot harder than what I do now.

Someone asked me the other day, like, how much harder is it? It was like, well, a lot harder. You just, you know, I was driving city to city. You're just up writing reports, watching tape. It's just, it's a grind. It is a hard job Now it's not like digging ditches But it's it's very very time consuming

Long hours long days It was just I wanted a different lifestyle And I work a lot now But I work for me You know I like owning my revenue I just there were other interests in my life And other opportunities opened And I just wasn't afraid to kind of hang a left

But I would recommend anyone that aspire to to do it if you get your chance to do it. It changed my life forever, working in the NFL, clearly. It's the best thing I ever did in terms of four of my career where it's at now. But it's something I don't miss it at all, at all. I enjoy doing this infinitely more, infinitely. But I have friends in the league that love it. And it's just like anything, when you're immersed in something,

and you get good at it, right? If you have an eye for it, you feel comfortable and confident in what you're doing. You always want to do, to me, two things are key to your job. You obviously really want to like your job. You're going to spend way more time in your job than you are with your family than you are basically besides sleep, right? So you better like your job.

And it's easier to like your job when you're good at it. Because if you're good at your job, more than likely you're going to have success in your job. You're going to be more financially rewarded with time. So you just got to follow your passion, and it'll take you. I'm a big believer in things just opportunities and things happen for a reason. And sometimes at the time, like when I was fired from the NFL, it was pretty devastating. Because I'm in my late 20s, and it kind of like threw me on my ass. But it also inspired me to do more and to do to do, to do,

bounce back. And so yeah, just follow your passion. I'm a big belief. It sounds cheesy. So many people say it. It's so true. Because then you don't feel like you're working. Like, I worked on the ranch for my dad when I was in high school and even coming back

for college. I worked construction. Shit was fucking hard. I've changed displays in 115 degree weather in Sacramento. That's tough work. If you find what you like, you don't really feel like it's that hard. Even when stuff is hard. And it's just the natural part of life

It's going to be stressful It's going to be difficult But if you do like what you do I'm a big believer And I've only been really in the working profession For a little over a decade Life is a lot easier Because you can spend a lot of time at work

And you don't feel like you're You know The labor is that intensive When you like what you do You all of a sudden like damn It's 7 o'clock at night I'm recording a podcast for Colin Coward I'm not exactly digging ditches

here. So if you're passionate about doing it, do it. And if you don't like it a year and two years, you can always do something else. You know the best part of America? No one forces you do anything. You can do whatever job you want to do. Now, they're giving takes. You might have to take less money to work in a certain profession.

You might, you could stay at a job that you don't like and make more. We all have decisions and choices to make. But no one forces your hand. No one does. You can choose any profession. You can do whatever you want, especially now with the internet. Sky's the limit. So if you're passionate, you want to work in a pro team, you want to work in a scouting department,

I couldn't recommend it enough. And then like anything, you're going to have complaints. That's life. But if you're passionate about it, I would recommend trying it out. And then seeing where it goes. Appreciate everyone listening. Godspeed, have a great week, and enjoy the chaos. Later.

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