The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Dan Campbell's Elite QB Comments, Tiger/Masters Reaction

Episode Date: April 11, 2022

John discusses Lions HC Dan Campbell's comments that teams don't need an elite QB for sustained NFL success, and explains why he was so impressed with Tiger's Masters comeback despite him not contending, and why he can't take anymore Nick Faldo as an analyst.Follow John and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on, everybody? John Middlecop, three and out podcast. You know, I was torn. I went on Collins' podcast. And I was like, you know, should I do something? I'm basically, you know, going to reiterate the same takes. But they, you know, we ended up just talking Jimmy Garaplo, Debo, the Rams, Tiger, stuff that I, you know, wasn't even going to talk about here. So I said, you know, I'll fire this up.

There's something football-wise I wanted to touch on. I saw a comment from Dan Campbell, which I think was kind of, uh, um, you know, torn apart would be strong, but I think a lot of people are crushing him because he said, you don't need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL, to sustain success.

So I want to dive into that. And then I'm also going to do some takes on this podcast on the Masters. Because obviously that went down this weekend. Scotty Sheffler, your Masters champ, 25 years old, is on one of the greatest heaters

we've ever seen in the history of sports. He's won four times in, you know, basically 60 days. One includes the Masters. and obviously Tiger Woods returns and just a couple of thoughts on that. So do a little football at the beginning and then a little golf at the end.

So I know, not all of you guys are golf guys. I get it. Now they got 3.5 million viewers on Friday. So golf's on the come up. But obviously the NFL pays our bills. And, you know, it's weird. Three and Out podcast, subscribe to the podcast. Subscribe to the podcast.

If you listen on Collins' feed, subscribe to my feed, three and out. leave a review, helps with selling the podcast, share it with your friends, and yeah, anything else? Oh, Middlecoff Mailbag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram, slide up into those direct messages. I think last year, it felt really big for me specifically, but I think it was a massive, massive draft.

Part of it, I live in the Bay Area, talk a lot about the 49ers, they traded for the third pick, Trey Lance, the Mac Jones, Zach Wilson. Quarterbacks carry a draft. because when you have several potential first-round quarterbacks, like guys that are locks to be first-rounders, your draft is just famous because quarterbacks are really famous, right? I mean, they're just, they are the stars of the sport.

Now, so are linemen, so are an offensive tackle and a defensive lineman once they become Trent Williams or Nick Bosa, but for the most part, like they can't carry a draft. And right now, the draft just doesn't feel quite as big because it's not a star-studded draft. but part of being a star-studded draft is this draft just doesn't have the quarterbacks. I think all these quarterbacks

in the history of the league wouldn't probably go in the first round up until about five years ago. Now, we're going to get a couple guys drafted in the first round, but if this was 2006, none of these guys were going in the first round. So I think we all kind of agree with that. Now, that doesn't mean they're not going to become good players

but based on their talent, based on what they did in the league, or excuse me, in college and going into the draft. process, like they just wouldn't be first rounders. Like, Kenny Pickett wouldn't have sniffed the first round for like 30 years. But now, quarterback inflation, right? I don't know about where you live.

I keep reading that inflation's 8%. Where I live, it's like 60%. I mean, I go to the grocery store. We used to cost me 90 bucks. It would cost like 180 bucks. Sometimes I'm at the grocery store. I'm not the biggest grocery store goer. But you got to go.

You know, I try to not, you know, I didn't get out of the house. Part of it is like when you work from home, like part of like, I like going to the gym. I like going to the grocery store. It just gets me out and about. And you just, inflation's just obviously going on right now. Well, clearly with quarterbacks, it's no different.

You see all these guys drafted. But last year, you know, Trevor Lawrence, one of the best prospects of the last like 30 years. Zach Wilson, I'm not the biggest fan, but he was a legitimate first round

based on his tape. Now, we can debate the level of comp and everything. Trey Lance, I mean, you just physically see him. I've said forever, if Trey Lance went to return to school and have the same year he had

his one year starting at North Dakota State, He would have been a lock. Well, the Jaxx would have traded the pick, but like the Lions would have drafted Trey Lance. He would have gone number one or number two. He would have gotten number one because Jaggis would have traded the pick. And none of these other guys are going to sniff it.

So it just, the draft doesn't feel like, I'm just, I'm not feeling it. You know, I'm just not, I'm trying to get into it. But like, you know, Aidan Hutchinson's like, ugh. The offensive line is like, ugh. There's not even, it feels like a Jemar Chase. Now, Garrett Wilson's pretty good, but, Yeah, but I guess I don't even know how I got down this rabbit hole,

but Dan Campbell had mentioned that he didn't think you needed an elite quarterback to sustain success. And that's bullshit. That's just not true. To sustain success in the NFL, you need Mahomes, you need Josh Allen, you need Russell Wilson, the Rams with Matt Stafford, Tom Brady. Like, it's clear. Aaron Rogers. Like, it's not debatable.

Now, you can have an individual. season, the Niners have kind of had a couple with Jimmy Garoppolo, if your team is really good around them. The Eagles, right? The Eagles can maintain a competitive team with Jalen Hertz. But if Jalen Hertz just stays around what he's doing right now, you know, middle of the pack quarterback, and really, let's face it, he's probably closer to 20 than he is 10, their team's going to have to be really good around him. And look at last year, they had a really good offensive line. They had a really good defensive line. They had some playmakers. Like, they had a good corner. Like, they had some players. But if their team

wasn't, was like, if you put Jalen Hertz on the Lions, they win two or three games. Right? You put Jared Gough on the Lions, they suck. But if you gave them Patrick Mahomes, are they winning 13 games? No, but they're winning seven or eight. I'll promise you that. And you'd have a chance then to build up your team

around the guy to be competitive. But I get where Dan Campbell's coming from. Because he's saying this, I don't even know if deep down to his core he believes that, because he really resurrected his career and became the head coach of the Lions and was getting head coaching interviews

and it was inevitable. He was probably going to become the head coach again because he became Sean Payton's assistant head coach and the Saints were built around Sean Payton and I don't know this guy named Drew Breez who's going straight to the Hall of Fame and he knows it but here's the other thing he knows.

We're not going to have an elite quarterback at minimum for another year. So he has to kind of start playing the salesman. He has to start selling like we're probably not going to be good again this year. Because you know what? They're not. They're going to suck. They're going to draft Aidan Hutchinson or an offensive lineman or who knows who at number two overall. That guy is not going to change their fortunes overnight. And there is not a quarterback he can draft that's

good enough to take it number two. And then he's picking at the end of the first round, which you know, you just keep your fingers crossed and hope. They are not, he's not in a situation. So everyone's shitting on him like this. Yeah, it's not true. We all know that. But sometimes as a head coach or as a GM, you have to say things that may be a lie or whatever to kind of set the tone for your organization and to let everyone know, like, that's not how we're thinking, because we can't think like that because we don't have a guy. Because it's impossible. Like, deep down, the Eagles know, now they have to publicly support Jalen Hertz as long as

he's their quarterback, but they know they can never be a constant power, no matter how well they build up their team, until they get a top 10 quarterback. and they're lucky enough that they're going to be able to build up their team and hopefully get the ability to land a top 10 quarterback sometime, but they might not be able to. Because part of landing a court, some of the stuff's out of your control, right, what the draft gives you, who's available on given years, what picks you have available to trade for guys,

even if a guy, like last year Matt Stafford wanted to trade, Matt Stafford was not going anywhere. He was only going to okay a trade to a couple places. It was like the Niners, the Rams, like the list was short. So to acquire that guy And look, the Eagles, for example, could have been in on the Sean Watson sweepstakes, but I would imagine they're probably not comfortable

with the stuff off the field. And they surely weren't going to give him $230 million. So the only way to acquire Deshawn Watson, he can say it wasn't about the money. You had to pay him $230 million. Because that's what the Cleveland Browns were willing to pay him fully guaranteed. So if you weren't willing to pay him that,

you weren't going to get in the mix. So it's just, it's a complicated situation. I think we've seen so many young quarterbacks come in the league and have some, much success recently, we think it's easy. And it's just not. We've been very, very lucky to see Joe Burrow, Herbert, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, just a group of, hell, even Kyler Murray, who, listen, I've criticized Kyler Murray, but I will not dispute his talent and not dispute that he belongs as like a difference-making player in the league. I mean, just look at the

names I just listed. That's just in the last like, you know, four or five years. And then we'll see how this crop of, you know, between Trevor Lawrence, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields. I would say at least one of those guys is going to become a star. And at least, you know, if two of the four, one of them becomes a star and maybe a second becomes like a really good player, like a Dak Prescott level guy, Kirk Cousins, like a really good starter. Like that's just more quarterbacks in the mix. Because as we see, Rathusberger's gone, Brady's eventually going to go. Rogers, who knows, should he could retire at any moment? Because what if the Packers does that kind of have a weird season? Now, he's so good that they should

be able to get by, but you never know. So I understand Dan Campbell is kind of in college football coaches do this a lot. I saw this article in the athletic about Mack Brown, like a tell-all about 2021 because they were like a preseason top 10 team and they turned out not be good. He was basically blaming the media for anointing them. But it's like college coaches are constantly selling. They're constantly like wheeling and dealing, taking angles. A good part of it is like they're just always in recruiting mode.

they're always like the AD and the boosters. I think in the NFL when you're really shitty and the lions have been really, really bad. And last year, while they played hard, they were not very good. They don't have very much talent on their team. I do think you've got to kind of become a college coach for like the first 24 months of the deal

to just create some positive momentum. Right? No one wants to hear that about John Schneider and P. Carroll. Like, you can't do that when you just traded Russell. No one wants to hear that from Sean McVey or Kyle Shanahan or Mike McCarthy, right? But when you're really terrible, like the Jags, like Doug Peterson can kind of, if he wanted to, but he won't because I think he thinks they got a pretty good quarterback. At Safeway, we're perfecting the art of fresh. Our produce pros work with trusted top quality growers, so your handpicked fruits and vegetables are harvested at the peak of flavor and handled with care from farm to you.

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It is so easy. And I think about it like little things in my life, like my diet. I can have incredible, like, weak stretches where I eat really well. I'm very healthy. And then I can just, I'm a dirty eater. I have no problem working out. I work out basically seven days a week. I'm getting a sweat every single day.

My diet is shitty. And I just struggle with discipline there. And I'm always, and that's my own fault. Right? It's not like I'm just sitting on a couch all day. I will be active, no problem. I have no problem working out. I'm not good with the diet.

And people that just have the mental willpower to just overcome everything and to just the discipline. Because discipline, you could argue it's a learned skill. I think some people are just, I think, more naturally born with characteristics, but I do think you can improve on it. I know I've definitely become a more disciplined human in my 30s than I was in my 20s and my 10s. A guy like Tiger Woods, his discipline has been on point since he was like a teenager.

and having worked in the NFL and even worked in college football, like some people are just naturally a little more driven, a little more focused than others. And that doesn't mean they're the most talented people, right? Some are. Like when you get a guy like Tiger, just natural God-given ability to work his hands, Kobe Bryant, who just has the,

and then has the drive and the desire, it's over. It's a wrap. That guy is going to be great at what he does. But I think a characteristic that every successful person in a very competitive, industry, whatever that may be, whether it's Wall Street, whether it's professional golf, whether it's podcasting, has, there's an element of discipline at a high level in their life.

You know, and I think, like, listen, I, I am not digging ditches. I have the ultimate white collar job. I talk into a microphone. And I'm lucky to be able to do it and do it for a living and being able to, like, pay my mortgage, pay for food and have a good life. but there is like I don't miss football games you know there's no like yeah I'm going to go out and party tonight no I got to watch the Thursday night game

watch all the Sunday games watch all the Monday game which again I'm watching football I'm by no means complaining but I can't just go you know on vacation with certain times of the year which is nothing wrong with that hell I don't even go on vacation but my point is like there's a level of discipline that every if you're listening to this year good real estate whatever you do but there's a level of a guy like Tiger Woods and the discipline

has. He was walking next to John Rom the day. And John Rom, who was just recently the number one player in the world, now Scotty Sheffler is going to be the number one player in the world for a while. He was just big. You know, John Rom, John Rom's a big guy. But clearly, you know, eats a lot of food. He's probably not the most disciplined eater. Tiger, who sat in a hospital bed for three months in a hospital bed and then came out of that hospital bed and had to rehab, probably couldn't walk very well for the last like six, eight months. Looks exactly like he did before the injury. His discipline is second to none. We talk so much about Tom Brady, the reason we do, because Tom tells us about it. My mom bought me the book for like Christmas, TB12 in the other room.

You flip it around. It's like a cookbook. It's all stretching. He tells you everything he does. I know nothing about what Tiger does. Nothing. His training regs beside like what I've heard from, you know, other podcasts or golfers talking that know him, but he never truly gives the details. If he gave those details, I mean, can you imagine if there was like an hour documentary on his rehab process, how many people would watch that? He's like a mystery. But the one thing you cannot ever argue about him as obviously his will and desire, the guy's discipline and focusability is out of this fucking world.

It's insane. Like obviously he shot 78, 78 over the weekend. It was cold. He was struggling to walk. But just how remarkable it was that he was able to get back is, I mean, one of his career accomplishments. But we don't really know anything because all of a sudden, came out of nowhere like yeah he might play in the master's that was like middle of the end of last week

and then by Monday of the master's week it's like yeah he's playing like what are you serious where did that come from that's him he's you know in a day and age or social media and there's really not that much mystery with anybody you know who's your favorite person the media who's your favorite athlete like for the most part you know a lot about them Twitter or Instagram whatever podcast they host whatever YouTube channel they got Like, you know, it's all out there. When I was a kid, it was like, I wonder what Patrick Ewing is like.

Tony Gwynne, Cal Ripkin Jr. It was like, they were gods, didn't know anything about them. So they're just being pro athletes. Now, Twitter account, I know what they're thinking. I know what they're eating. I know where they're working out.

Like, you just, Tiger is kind of from a generation where obviously he has social media, but he doesn't let anything out. You never know what's going on. Which I think kind of adds to, like even Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan doesn't tweet. There's no Instagram of Michael Jordan. I don't know. To me, there's a, there's this mystique that Michael and Tiger have that, like, our current athletes just don't have as much.

Now, maybe I'm too close to the sun in it. I followed obviously, but I, I followed sports when I was 10, honestly, probably harder that I do now. Because I really just focus on football and golf. Now, I still watch the NBA and I still watch baseball. But like, I consumed everything. Honestly, 10 through like 20. I didn't miss a thing. Now it's like I just focus on work stuff, want to be locked in on it. I don't know nothing about this guy. Nothing besides what he gives me. And that is kind of an old school attribute. And kind of refreshing is probably the wrong word.

But it's just, that doesn't happen anymore. It just doesn't, you know. And it was just, what a show. I mean, the guy, the guy is just a showman. And I mean, he's doing it to compete to get his juices flowing. he's just, when you love what you do, I mean deep down to your core, when you're addicted to what you do, it's hard to not be good at it. Now, no matter what you do, there has to, there's an element of talent.

There's, you have to have some intellectual capacity depending on the industry. But if you're just like addicted to your job, you will not suck. Honestly, you'll be good. Now, to be great, there are more variables that come into play. But Tiger is addicted to golf. and addicted to the process of being good at golf and training to play golf and being ready to play golf.

Obviously he's going to be, you know, he's got back knee, rod, and leg. Like, it's probably over. And when I say over, just, you know, I don't, you probably never win a tournament again. I hate saying that. I'm like one of his biggest fans. But I just, let's just be realistic about this thing.

But he ain't going to stop trying. And I think that's the quality I think about. Like just, you know, just always make a good effort. You know, you're taught that when you're a kid. Your parents instill that in you. If you play high school sports, they instill that. Like, just try, finish strong. The guy just tries.

You know, he really does. He's got some, obviously, some of these wounds are self-inflicted, but he is, it's very admirable. It really is. And then the champion, Jim Nance mentioned this, Highland Park, where he went to school, has the Super Bowl champion quarterback, Matt Stafford, has one of the greatest pitchers of his generation in Clayton Kershaw.

is Scotty Sheffler that just won four times in 60 days. One of those, TPC Scottsdale, one of the biggest tournaments of the year. WGC match play, Arnold Palmer, which is very hard to win. And then the Masters. We still have three majors to play and the Tour Championship. I got news for you unofficially. Scotty Sheffler is the player of the year. That's a lock.

I saw my guy Sobel tweeted out, he's already won $10 million this year. I know Phil thinks golfers struggling to feed their family. You got to take Saudi's money. He's won $10 million. I saw another tweet that said, if he's paying his caddy, 10%, which I think when you get really rich, like a Phil, a tiger, a Rory,

you just pay your caddy like a salary, maybe just give him a million bucks or $800. You know, if you're making a ton of money, you're giving him 10%. He could end up making $2 or $3 million. So it's easier to just pay him money, put him family on the health system. You develop an LLC.

take care of his health care, you know, do all that types of things. You kind of run like a business. But I would imagine, Scottie Schaeffler's not on that level. So his caddy has already made like $900,000. And the tweet basically said that if he was a player on tour,

he would be 80th this year in the money list. The caddy. So Scott, you just, sometimes, you know, it's an all-time golf story. You just, you don't see a guy as a buddy text me, he's like, Scotty Sheffler has already had a better career than Ricky Fowler in 60 days. Think about that.

Ricky Fowler is one of the biggest stars on the PGA tour. He's easily one of the more marketable stars. He was a really good player. It feels like kind of over. Scotty Shepler just accomplished more in 60 days than Ricky has in his entire career as a professional golfer. That just puts into perspective. And Ricky's had a really successful career. But never won a major.

Scotty boom. Didn't just win a major. Kind of kicked to everyone's ass. four putted on hole 18 and still won by three shots. Rory was a really cool story. Listen, this job's probably hard. It's not easy to do. You see it a lot, right, when former NFL players become broadcasters,

they're not any good. You see it, and the NBA does it all the time, right? They take a famous player, they put him in the broadcast booth, and he stinks. So it's not, just because you're a great player does not make you a great broadcaster. You know, when I was young, like Joe Montana, I don't even remember. remember that, but I guess he was bad. I remember Emmett Smith was pretty bad. You just, you're not guaranteed. But usually with golf, like part of it is like maybe Larry Bird or Michael Jordan or whoever can't articulate what they're thinking. They just do it, right? Now, if you

listen to Peyton Manning, like he can articulate it. Like if Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers or Tom Brady were on TV, they would be good at talking about football. One thing with golf, if you've ever heard a golfer, I mean, if you just go to YouTube and just type in Tiger Woods playing lessons, Tiger can articulate golf as well as any human ever. Phil Mickelson is a lead at it. But even you just listen to Rory, whoever, after they finish, articulate what just happened. Most golfers are very well spoken about what they just did.

Now it's golf's a lot different than like football or basketball where it's like I had to hit a cut here, I had to draw, it's easy to do. But for whatever reason, Nick Faldo is one of the greatest players in the history of golf. He's got six majors. He's one of the masters three times. Yet when you watch him on television, he feels like he never knows what's going on. It's like, Nick, you won this tournament three years and you're constantly going,

I'm not sure what he should do here. I don't know, but Nick, you shouldn't know this course like the back of your hand. If I put Phil or Tiger on the mic next to Jim Nance and they got to every single hole, every single spot, like Phil, what do you think about this shot? He's like, well, you need to do this when you're here because this slopes this way. They would know Augusta as well as they'd know their house. Yet Nick Faldo, and it's like this every week, but Augusta, like, that's his spot. It's kind of what made him really, really famous.

Take it down Greg Norman. When Greg Norman had the epic collapse, yet he brings nothing to the table. And then today, the biggest moment of the day, by far was Rory chipping in. He blew it. He's like, Jim, I just saw something. Like, part of calling golf is, you know, some of these shots are tape delayed. He just gave it away. Just threw it out there.

And then like a minute later, they have to show it. But he's like, I don't want to spoil anything. Well, you just did. We just knew something crazy happened. Part of watching something crazy in golf, if they're not on the player live, is experience it live. And most of the broadcasters just fake it, right? They already know what happens.

But us as a viewer sitting on our couch do not. Yet Nick Blue, the biggest moment of the day was Rory chipping in on 18. Like, I'd fire him. I think he's terrible. He's so bad, but he was such a great player. But we see it in these, like, most great players in other sports don't necessarily make good broadcast. In golf, it should be pretty easy. Like, you just, Coltonose was a PJ golfer, really good college player.

They put him on the broadcast. He's just good. It's pretty easy. You're just talking about golf. Hell, I think I could do it. I mean, not like Valdo's, but I don't know the masters. But he feels like he knows as much as me. And I'm just a guy watching it on TV from 3,000.

miles away. He's terrible. Ruined. I repeat, ruined the moment, which was an incredible moment. The moment of the day besides Scotty Shephyler getting the green jacket was Rory chipping it in from the sand on 18. And then Moracawa did it, but it happened, it felt that couldn't even say anything. But he ruined Rory's moment. I mean, what are we doing? That's my little rant. Have a good day. and yeah, that Roy moment was pretty cool. But Nick, just be quiet, man. Adios. Talk to you guys soon. Peace.

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Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve

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