The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Deshaun's Trade Demand; Brady's Greatest Traits; Texans Total Rebuild; Aaron Rodgers Leverage; Rams/Goff Gettin' Ugly

Episode Date: January 29, 2021

In this episode, John discusses Deshaun Watson ending speculation by formally demanding a trade, why he views the Texans hire of lifetime assistant David Culley as a stop gap coach heading into a total rebuild, which traits make Tom Brady the G.O.A.T., and why Aaron Rodgers has massive leverage over the Packers. He also explains why things are getting really ugly between the Rams and Jared Goff and answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on, everybody, John Middlecock, three-and-out podcast. Add it again, and we have some breaking news. And it's going to revolve the Texans on multiple fronts, a quarterback who wants out. a coach who came out of nowhere. So they have a head coach, and we'll see how much longer they have a quarterback. We'll dive into Tom Brady. Someone asked me a pretty simple question,

what makes Tom Brady great? I thought we'd dive into it. The Aaron Rogers saga slash situation, some thoughts there. Jared Goff and the Rams is now officially a disaster. No way around it. They can't stand the guy. We'll discuss that.

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world, but I just know it helps, so thank you very much. Let's start with the Houston Texans. And Deshaun Watson, who I guess made it official, even though we've been talking about it for weeks, he wants to go bye-bye. Adios, Sianora, get me the hell out of here. And listen, like we all have our reasons. Fair, not fair, is he doing the right thing? If you do not want to be anywhere and you can't stand the owner.

Like, I mean, I can relate to that. We've all probably been places where we did not want to be anymore. And not all of us have the ability sometimes to ask out, right? Not every situation we can just bounce. And we'll see how this plays out. But the Texans, in my opinion, are going to hit the reset button. And we'll dive into the coach here in a second, but to me it makes sense just blow it up. Now, does Deshawn Watson look like a bad guy?

You know, historically when guys demanded a trade, you know, it depends on the situation, right? James Harden basically quit on his team, got fat, and then immediately got traded and it got skinny again. And we're like, you know, it's a little shady. But if you can't stand the owner and can't stand the coach, you know, I think historically we've always been like be a pro. Now, with Deshawn Watson, it's not like they're practicing or doing anything. without the league going on, it's not like the off-season in the sense of their OTAs going on right now, it's hard to tell how hardcore is stances. All we are reading and learning about this is online.

And from all accounts and all reports, he despises the owner. And then I read he wants to go to the Jets. Like, hey, Deshaun, have you seen their ownership? We might want to go to the Dolphins? Have you seen Stephen Ross? history as an owner? It's not like he's lining up to go to Robert Kraft. So I think it's easy to be like, I want to go to this guy.

What the hell is the difference? You've been doing way more winning in Houston, but we get our minds made up. In his mind, clearly, he does not want to be associated. Could it be with Jack Easterby? This preacher turned power-hungry executive. Could it be that he doesn't want to be associated with a Patriot guy anymore? Sure.

Here's where I think it becomes complicated. Are teams going to be interested in Deshawn Watson? Of course they are. You'd be insane to not be interested in a Pro Bowl quarterback in his mid-20s. But if you're the Texans, and you've seen recently, Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey, Khalil Mack. I guess Kalil Mack, somehow the Raiders did a pick swap for a second and a third, so let's not include them.

But guys, going for two-ones and a two. Pretty nuts looking back that Kalil Mack didn't go for two-ons. to two that the bear's got a second rounder out of it. But like that, that to me is what goes for pro bowl blue chip position players. Well, what do we know? It's a quarterback league. A quarterback is infinitely more important than those individuals. Because when those individuals get hurt, Jamal Adams gets hurt, the line in the game

doesn't change. Yet when the quarterback does, you know, if a backup quarterback has to come, sometimes that's a seven-point swing. And we didn't need Vegas to tell us, like, how important that position is. It trumps every other position. So this guy, you could argue, if Jamal and those guys are going for two ones and a two, is he worth four ones and maybe a two? Now, you could argue, give me four ones.

Like, that'd probably be enough. And I think just if you just do it that way, of course you can. But when I put myself in these other team's shoes, is anyone going to give up four ones for Sean Watson. Because part of give it up four ones is you're not going to get any cost control assets moving forward, you know, in the draft, that first round pick, but you're also not going to have ammo to ever make trades. Like all of a sudden you're kind of good and you need a wide receiver. Here's pick 22 for Stefan Dix. All of a sudden, we want to go trade for a blue chip defensive player. Here's two ones for Jalen Ramsey. You don't have any of that. So it does complicate

the situation. He's also already been paid. makes a lot of money, which no one has a problem paying a guy $25, $30 million when they're a pro bowler. But with all these teams and cap situations, it makes it a little complicated. Also, if you're the Texans, you're not just going to give him away. Like, it doesn't make that much sense to trade Deshaun Watson to a play. Like, let's say the Colts. We'll give you three ones and two- twos. You'd be like, eh, then you're just going to win because your team's already stacked.

I'm not doing that. you could argue the only two options for teams that let's assume they'd be interested would be the dolphins and the Jets because then if you trade with the dolphins you just recoup your pickback and you could start over and draft a quarterback the Jets have the number two overall pick

you can even trade Deshawn Watson for Sam Darnold get a, you know, and three ones or something. To me those are the most logical destinations and I do think Deshawn is in for a little bit of a wake-up call that he's leaving his organization for organizations that,

let's stop acting like these other teams or the Yankees, you know, if he goes to the Dolphins or the Jets. And the Jets have been an embarrassment for over a decade. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. I mean, the Dolphins, we wanted to throw a parade for them. They missed the playoffs this year. There were seven seats, right? Now, you put Sean Watson on them,

they'd be good. They'd be better, clearly. I mean, they won, what, 10 games? but if they trade for Deshawn Watson, how do they get a wide receiver? Because they'd have to surely trade their picks. My gut, though, is Casario, and this leads into David Cully, they're going to blow this mother up. And I think that's the right move. It's an easy one.

I would consider it a BP fastball. The guy wants out. These patriot people are obsessed with culture. They hired David Kelly, who I worked with with the Eagles. nice guy good position coach head coach never in a million years

would I have seen that honestly I think that's insane but here's my theory I have two theories one they really wanted to hire Josh McCown

as their head coach they realized the blowback even though I think that's overrated who gives a shit what the media says you know or even the fans like they're going to watch them matter what. You know, you can't, social media was up in arms over interviewing Josh McCown.

My response would be 80% of adults aren't on Twitter. Who cares? Now, if you talk to him and you realize like, this is nuts. He can't be a head coach right now. Because it is a massive transition from being a player to just becoming a head coach. Right? You've never managed a staff. You've never managed, unless you run a business on the side for the last decade. It's a big transition, but it's a transition that high-level guys could probably seamlessly make. But he might need a year or two be on the staff, learn from what's going on, and then be groomed to take over. David Kelly, a 65-year-old never-called play's lifetime position coach, is in a position where he never would have been a head coach. So you put him out there when you're basically going to tank and blow it up and, you know, he's 67, 68.

You remove him and implement Josh McCown when you're ready to kind of kind of, make your jump with all these picks. That to me is my theory. So what was David Kelly going to do? Turn down the opportunity to become a head coach? Of course not. I wouldn't, I don't blame him at all. But let's not act like they're hiring him

because they think, quote, unquote, he's the best guy on the market. He's not. I think they want to hire Josh McCount eventually. And the way to get him ready is to basically put Cully in a position if you trade Watson and trade J.J. Watt, their two best assets.

to just absolutely suck and just almost throwing Cully out to the wolves. And then when the dust settles in a couple years, you can replace him with Josh McCown. It wasn't exactly like this, but the Cleveland Browns did that with Hugh Jackson. Now, Hugh Jackson was an awful coach. I'd be shocked if David Cully is as bad as Hugh Jackson,

but Hugh Jackson called plays at a really high level. David Cully is not. David Kelly was the passing game coordinator for the team with the least receptions. The team that can't pass the ball. Now, that might be on the quarterback. That might be on the coordinator, but that was his role. And he's just a lifetime wide receiver coach. So you throw David Kelly out there and you just let him take all the bullets, right?

It's a shitty situation, but as what's his name says in Mad Men, that's what the money's for. And he just got a paycheck and a contact. track that is dramatically more money than he's ever paid in his life. And guys like David Cully who have been in the league 25 years, I bet he was making a million bucks in Baltimore. The one thing we always talk about like, Eric B. Enemy is getting screwed. And clearly people don't like Eric Bienemy for whatever reason. I don't know.

I've never met the guy. The league just does not want to hire him, right? Because, I mean, the Texans just hired a black guy. It wasn't Eric Biedemy. But the victim thing with Eric Biedemy, here's the one thing. I will say, he makes a million dollars, maybe more. Like, it's not like, you know, when people are getting screwed, it's like, God, this guy's not getting a promotion, you know, the difference between $50,000 and $150,000 life changing.

Like, this guy's a millionaire, you know? Like, it's not, his life isn't that bad. He's the right hand man for the best team in the league, probably about to win back-to-back championships. And who in their right mind? Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced game. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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and we never really talk about it. Because we're always talking, oh, he wins, MVP, Super Bowls, Tom Brady the goat. That's all, Tom Brady the goat. Someone DM me with the basic question, the simple question of, what makes Tom Brady so good? Like, actually, what makes him such a great football player? And it got me thinking. If anyone in the book's really famous, she did a TED talk, Angela Duckworth wrote a book on the trait that all successful people have in common.

And most people, I think, would assume it's talent, its intellectual capacity, and what she came up with, and it's the name of the book, is grit. And I think grit encompasses a relentless nature, a determination, a determination. an ability to battle through the shitty times, right? Andy Dufrein crawling through the sewer, right? And anyone that can take, you know, kind of gets, listen, life throws you curveballs. Whether you're a football player, whether you're a businessman, whether you're a family man, whatever you're doing, right? Nothing is easy. And the people that consistently are most successful, think about all the people you know in your life that you would qualify as really successful,

whether it's a business owner, whether it's, you know, high-level employee somewhere, one of your buddies, whatever, maybe it's you yourself. I think most people, and it's true, have that relentless nature

encompassing grit, right? Clearly he has that. You know, he's known to be one of the late-round picks becoming one of the great quarterbacks of all time, arguably the greatest. I think he is the greatest.

But I think there are several things that really stand out before we get to him as a player. Now, to play in the NFL at quarterback, you're going to need some just basic characteristics, right? Just being able to throw a football. And I think everyone who makes in the NFL has the arm ability. Now, there are clearly stronger arms than other,

and Brady, we'll get into his arm, it's well above average. I think Brady's discipline with his TB12 diet, with everything that he encompasses what he eats, is elite. Like, if that was on my scatterer report, give that like a plus plus plus. Discipline, anyone that's read about anyone in the military, right, Navy SEALs, people doing anything under that umbrella, discipline is like one of the number one things you have to have.

The mental discipline that Tom Brady has with his body, which is his moneymaker, is as good as it gets, right? And they always said this about Tiger Woods, right? His ability, his work ethic, his discipline of getting up every day. day at the same time to work out and then hit balls and then play and then work out again and then hit balls again. It was just like, this guy's a machine. I think at 43 years old, Brady is an absolute machine with the way he takes care of his

body. We can say it's a weird way with David Guerrero and the TB12 methods, but it works. It can't even be disputed. And to piggyback off that, I think his work ethic, and I think this speaks to the great quarterbacks of his era. When I think Brady, I think Manning, even though Brady was better, but both those two guys, you hear anyone who worked in a building with them, their work ethic is unparalleled. And I would put Drew Brees under this too.

I mean, we've all heard the stories. I've lived it. The coaching hours, right, sleeping in the office, seven days a week, long days. Being an NFL quarterback and elite NFL quarterback, you have to have that same, you're on the same times table. Like you were putting in 80-hour work weeks. I'm not even talking about game day. I'm talking about preparing to play. Your body, the lifting, the practices, the film study, the game plan, you know,

implementing the game plan during that week. You're a massive part of that. Another huge check for Brady. Here's what makes Brady special. For being this weirdo, and when I say weirdo, it's respectable eating the food, but most people in the NFL ain't eating avocado ice cream. You know what Brady's offensive linemen are eating? Chocolate chip ice cream.

You know what Mike Evans is probably eating? A burrito. I bet Devin White is just grubbing. When you're burning calories and you're in your 20s, you can eat whatever you want. I'll never forget being with the Eagles looking at Deshawn's plate lunchtime. She's like burgers and fries. And he was the fastest guy in the league.

So it's just no one's really doing what Brady's doing. The pliability stuff may be gronk, but most of these players lifting hard. so they're like doing the opposite of what Tom is. Yet Tom, even at 43 years old, even with all these pelts on the wall and all the success and all the fame, still comes across as like this humble,

down-to-earth blue-collar guy. And he's very relatable. I think it's fair to say he's one of the greatest teammates in the history of team sports. And for the most part, when guys get really famous, they almost feel out of touch to their teammates,

And whenever you hear, I've never heard one person, one former patriot, say a terse word bad thing about Tom Brady. Not one. These people with Tampa go above and beyond talking about him. I heard Jason Light on with Peter King saying that like, God, he's the most humble superstar probably in the history of the sport. You just walk by him down the hallway. You think you're like talking to a practice squad.

Just how nice he is to everybody. That is a special attribute that you almost have to have a quarterback because you are so dependent on others. Tom Brady, this is not basketball. You can't just do it yourself. You can't be Michael Jordan or Kobe or LeBron. It's like carry your team to a championship. You need people to block for you.

You need running backs to run hard. You need wide receivers to run the routes. You need the defense to be inspired by you. Like you have to inspire. Same deal with the coach. It's why being a quarterback is so hard. Remember Carson Palmer told me when I interviewed him like a year ago that the thing he missed most,

every day he walked in the building the way to the world. was on his shoulders. Let's face it. Most of us, when we feel a little pressure or stress, we crack. Quarterbacks and really coaches, but the starting quarterback, once you're of his level, the pressure is immense on a daily basis. I'm not talking Sunday on game day. I'm talking Wednesday at walkthrough. I'm talking Saturday night at the team hotel getting ready for the game. It's just, I can't relate to that. I think most players in the NFL would tell you, yeah, it's just like, I'm fighting for my job every year. It's an intense job.

I mean, it's obviously, it encompasses physically, emotionally, everything I have. But, like, I'm not counted on quite like the quarterback in terms of the entire city's looking at this guy. It's hard, you know, and he's great at that.

Most underrated part about him that we don't naturally talk about, he wants to be coached. He yearns to be coached. He wants you to hold him a high standard. He's used to it. Been around Belichick for 20 years. It's always what they said was the best part about Tim Duncan. He was, you could coach him the hardest. And when you can coach your star player who's the best player ever, the hardest, makes coach the rest of the team

pretty easy. If I can yell at Tom Brady, I sure as hell can yell at Mike Evans or Devin White, right? It just sets the tone for the entire organization. It's not like, oh, they're just giving Tom a pass here. Oh, there's Tom screwing up again. no, it's not, he doesn't want it like that. He's obsessed with football. And I think sometimes, like on social media, people always act like, balance is the key, balance, balance, balance. Knew a couple really successful people growing up, friends, parents and grandparents growing up. Obviously, being around professional athletics, you know, being around Coach Reed,

you becoming friends with just different people in the league that have had success. knowing like Howie and Veach and even guys that do different things and Lewis Riddick now for Monday Night Football these guys are obsessed with football anyone worth their salt I think in any big time industry is obsessed with that business

and being the best and striving to and people like well you gotta be a family man yeah you have to that's part of life but people that take their job beyond seriously usually do pretty well like that's the price

admission for the big time industries. And part of playing in the NFL, if you're not obsessed, it'll eventually weed you out. And most players are all in on football. Most would be strong. A decent large percentage. Because you have to be. It's too demanding of a job. I think Tom takes that to like the, you know, nth degree, like times 50.

It's just, it's crazy how much he's addicted to this sport. Why, let's roll it back. why is he so disciplined with his food? Why does he work so hard? Why is he the first guy in the building and the last guy out? Why does he make such a big effort to get along with his teammates? Because he's obsessed with the game and obsessed ultimately with winning. And to win, you have to do all that stuff.

And then from a football perspective, listen, I mean he's 6'5, he's huge. He has a big arm that I'd say, you know, in his peak he was probably throwing like 96, 97, if we do the baseball analogy. And now he's throwing 93, 94. but he's still throwing hard, so he definitely can play outside. Clearly he's the greatest cold weather quarterback of all time. Well, if he can play outside, it's not very hard to play inside,

which he can do pretty easily in a warm weather situations. His pocket presence and instincts are elite, right? His understanding of pressure, movement in a small radius is just top-notch, and it has to be because he can't run away. But he has mastered playing within that little area that in football you call the pocket. Like I said, his arm strength is above average. There's not a throw in the NFL he hasn't been able to make for 20 plus years.

His poise also and just moxie play in the position, which is somewhat of an intangible, but I think based on when there's pressure, tight spots, down seven, like he's always completely under control. And for a guy that can have some like mental blowups, And when I say mental blowups, like dropping some F-bombs coming off the field, screaming as coaches, he gets it back to like pretty neutral quick. He is not Mr. Hootin and hollering, and then he's on the field,

screaming on the next series. He comes back to neutral quick, because you have to be. There's a amp, there's a baseline level of focus that it takes for every snap as a quarterback. If not, you'll lose. His toughness is underrated. Now, is he sitting in there and getting blasted? now maybe like he would have 10 years? Of course not. But it's toughness. You don't dominate at this level at that position in 20 plus years in New England. Go on the road in New Orleans, in Lambo.

His toughness is elite. His football IQ, now part of football IQ, when you've been playing this long, he's added to it over the years. And back to the obsession, when you're just addicted to something, you're going to constantly be learning about it. And he was with arguably the greatest coach of all time, and Josh and Bill O'Brien, like he's been around a lot of good coaches, and everything they do in New England, his football IQ is off the charts. You know, like that's the Tom Brady, the Drew Brees, the Peyton Manning's. It's like, God, I mean, they just can't be any smarter at football. Their only limitations are physically.

Like, Drew got to the point where he couldn't stay healthy and he couldn't make the throws. Peyton Manning got to the point where he couldn't make the throws. The difference, Tom Brady and those two guys, now he's better than those two guys, but he can still make all the throws. Whether it's a go route, whether it's a deep out route, whether it's a deep comeback from the opposite hash, like he still has the arm strength. Those guys stop being able to do that.

That's why they both retired. I guess Breeze hasn't officially retired yet. Yeah, I mean, he's just, he's the rare, he's a machine. Because remember we used to talk about Tiger Woods like that, like he's a machine. But no one really like it. He's like, not really human. Tom's like this machine, but he's also,

if he invited you over to his house for beers, I think you can have a pretty easy conversation with him. Like he just, he seems like a pretty down to earth. Like, hey, you just want to bring over a 12-pack of Coors Light and just watch whatever's on TV and bullshit. Like, he can do that. And it makes him very unique. Home playoff, home NFC championship game for the first time of this five,

and he loses to Tom Brady. So kicking the dick, right? And we didn't talk really about the game besides the LaFleur, fourth down call. We just talked about Rogers. status in a situation. And I do think he brought in a light because I watched him talk with Pack McAfee. And he claimed that, listen, I'm just talking about what the reality is with everyone in the NFL.

That there is a finite time that's going to come to an end. I don't control my future. And I learn that the moment they drafted Jordan Love. And I think that's a good life lesson for everyone. And Aaron, one of the most talented quarterbacks we've ever seen, the Packers built their organization around him, it would be, he might not be human if he didn't feel somewhat of a, God, I'm untouchable. They basically gave him $100 million, you know, guarantee, they paid him $100 million within like a two-year span from like 18 and 19.

Made a ton of money. It's like, I'm one of the highest paid guys in league history. At the time he signed it, he was, or might have been two behind Russell, I can't remember. I'm one of the best players in league history, and this is my franchise. And then the 2020 draft comes. they take Jordan Love, and he was probably show-shocked. And we all sometimes need a little, you know, a good shake, a good wake-up call. It happened to me when I was fired in the NFL, and I was like 30 years old.

It was like, damn, life came out of me fast. I didn't expect to go anywhere. And it happens. It happens to us all. Corona this year. How many people do you know that had just businesses that were humming, thought they were untouchable? Hell, some of the biggest businesses in America. Disney, all the casinos, boom.

Vegas. Vegas always makes money. I went to Vegas over Corona. When I was staying at the Belagio, I went to this pizza joint. I forget its name. It's in the Palazio. And the guy that runs the pizza joint, I started bullshit with him.

Because I hate Corona. And I despise the lockdowns. And I was talking to him about the situation of, you know, how much business he's losing. And he was saying, you know, there are 50 or might have been 50 to 60 restaurants in America of this pizza chain. And he said of the 50 forever, we were the number one. It wasn't even close.

And he's like right now during Corona, we're dead last. It just shows you, in a million years, you'd have been like, well, how's this pizza chain ever going to not dominate, right? You'd be like, they're in Vegas. People are always in Vegas. And then boom, Corona, you can't travel. People ain't going to go to Vegas. And it's like, you got to wear a mask at the table to get. gamble that's going to cut out, you know, half the inventory right there and all of a sudden

they're getting their ass kicked. Disney, what are they in? Uh, theme parks, we can't go to theme parks, cruise liners. Those are stopped. I mean, it's just, you never know. 2020 was a fantastic year from the standpoint of it's a good life lesson to just realize you always got to be on your toes. You can never get fat and happy. Because, you know, a year ago at this time, if you would have said the word Corona, I would have. said get me two. Lime too, right? Now you say it, I'd be like, God, the thing that, you know,

through our entire world for a loop. And Rogers, I mean, the moment they drafted Jordan Love, his jaw had to hit the floor. Like, are, that really just happened? Even after a quote-unquote, you know, down year for Rogers. They had just made the NFC championship game. He was 36 years old. They had just paid him.

And it just kind of rattled him. Now he said on McAfee that, yeah, I don't expect to go anywhere, and I'm not planning on demanding a trade or anything. You only get true leverage in life in the business world so many times. And as an athlete where your career, like my career in talking could last until I can't talk anymore, right? If I have a podcast from a broadcaster, my career could be 50 years. Marve Albert, Hubey Brown is 86, and he's calling NBA games. You can just talk forever.

Aaron Rogers' football career will end. It is, even right now, if he's got five, six years left, is on the home stretch, right? He's on the back nine. Well, so right now he has some leverage. He's the best player in the league. He just won the MVP. And I heard today, like, he's out of guarantees in his contract. So he might as well flex his muscles a little bit.

Like, you guys, you want to take care of me a little bit? or he could make it uncomfortable for them. And I don't blame him for using and using his muscles a little bit because they are way more dependent on him than he is on them. Because if you put Aaron Rogers on most teams in the league, they're in pretty good shape. If I take Aaron Rogers away from the Packers, they're fucked. And he knows that.

Now, he knows like, they're not going to trade me tomorrow, and they're not going to trade me, but I'm going to rattle some cages. and that's what I said on Monday and the more I heard him talk like he knows what he's doing wants a little more cash to be guaranteed he makes a lot of money but he's already not the highest paid player in the league

and again they did this to themselves they you know the stock thing that's going on right now people shorten and game stop going up they shorted Aaron Rogers and I didn't blame them I was like I would have done that too you know what what Aaron Rogers was

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pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free. iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now the equivalent of the reddit guys it's like oh you're shorting them we're gonna buy more and rogers came back 48 touchdowns mvps and made that short position awful you did not want to be on that short position and then you're basically shorting him with jordan love who's not any good countless reports this week have come out like he's not even ready to be the backup he's a major project i mean one thing to be

when we use the word project, like Patrick Mahomes was a project. He was starting by end of year one week 17, right? Carson Wentz was a project. Jared Goff was a project. You know, just you can be a project and still not be not ready to play at all after year one. That's a problem. That's bigger to me than a project. You're a reclamation project maybe.

I mean, you're just, you're a piece of clay. and we don't know that we can sculpt you. They don't know. How could they right now? He could not beat out the backup quarterback. Aaron knows that. So I just think that it's just going to get a little weird for them. Are they going to extend them? Because the one thing Aaron, the point in time Aaron Rogers is at in his life,

he clearly doesn't give that many you know what. I don't blame him. Now, like, is it ideal to have a guy throwing your coach under the bus and stuff? No, it's not. but he's good enough too and there's nothing really they can do it. So back to what I said, you only get true leverage in your life, whether you're Aaron Rogers or whether you're listening and you're just a sales guy at your company.

You're only going to get it so many times, right, after you realize like, God, the number one company that we've been trying to land as a partner wants to talk to me. Well, now I got my boss by the balls because that guy only wants to deal with me. And Aaron Rogers knows right now they got no choice but to put all their chips in the middle of the table on Rogers

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And it's officially now a major problem. Coaches typically give us. the cliche BS answers when it comes to a player they don't like. They're not going to publicly crush specifically their quarterback who's under contract. I've said it forever. When someone talks, coaches, politicians, most of the time your words, I judge you in your actions, not your words, when they're positive and they're slanted. Like, I'll just judge you by what you're doing, not by what you're saying.

Right? Like, you know, we're just, we're coming along on defense, and your defense is giving up 40 points. Like, yeah, no, you're not coming along on defense. We're watching. I think the guy's a really good player. And then he gives up three touchdowns at a corner. You're like, no, I don't think the guy's that good of a player, right?

Typically, they just go over the top on saying positive things. It's just the nature of the business in a public business, right? Politicians are king of it. They're just full of, they say nothing, right? They're never going to say what they're really thinking. It's why most of us have become numb to the whole political spectrum, right? It's just like, oh my God. I think football can be a little bit like that.

You know, players get very good at it too. The Rams, though, have gotten the complete opposite. I would die for, you know, just a normal politician, especially where I live, to have the filter or the lack thereof that Les Need and Sean McVey have right now on their quarterback. Because I'll tell you this, they don't give a crap. They don't care at all what he thinks.

and the coach crushed him, Troy Aikman crushed him, where he was getting his information from the coach, and then Les Sneed basically came out and said, the guy that drafted him number one overall and paid him, yeah, we'll see. Is he our starting quarterback? I don't know. Anything's possible in a salary cap league.

He's not lying, but you never, ever hear, you know, wording like that from a GM on a quarterback that really isn't tradable. And I said the moment that the story broke, that Goff and McVeigh needed marriage counseling, I said, well, unlike in a marriage, a divorce is possible. I don't know if a divorce is possible here. He's owed $106 million, basically $26 million for the next four years. But here's the thing.

Colin had a theory, and maybe someone in the league told him this, I don't know, I haven't asked him, that he thought that the Rams went to Jared Goff and asked him to take a pay cut. And he said no, and then they're coming out and blasting him. I asked someone in the league if they thought that was possible. And he said, sure, maybe they asked him, but in what world would an agent take guaranteed money off the table? Talk about bad business.

If anything, like, no less, we ain't bailing you out. You paid us. That's just not the way it works. No players ever in Jared Goff's situation take less money. Because if it was the opposite, they'd cut his ass, right? I don't blame Jared Goff for not taking less money and I don't know if that's true or not they asked for a pay cut because I

Maybe less need would To me it doesn't make any sense Because you already know what the answer is going to be It's going to be a big fat NO And Sean McVey was crushing Jared Goff Before they ever would ask him for a pay cut He benched him in a playoff game We saw it

He was the backup Jared admitted after it was a tough pill to swallow For the GM to do this My theory And this is why I didn't believe in marriage counseling you can only go to marriage counseling in a coach and quarterback situation if there are improvements that are possibly to be made. Jared Goff's talent, his athletic ability, his arm strength, his movement, right,

his just inability to make certain throws are not going to change. They are established. They are concrete. Now, work ethic and showing up early, that stuff is improvable. That stuff you could go to marriage counseling for, right? If you're Sean McVeigh and there was a counselor, an arbitrator, whoever, trying to help you two out, you'd go, I need Jared to study more film. I need Jared to work harder.

Now, I've never heard anything intangibly wrong with Jared, that he's not working hard enough, that he's lazy, any of that stuff. But I don't buy that they are just, if they thought he was maximizing his effort, they would be down on him because he's not playing well. That's the nature of football. But I do think they would respect them because we've seen Philip Rivers, Rathesberger,

I guess Breeze never really had a bad season. You know, we've seen quarterbacks have bad seasons or bad stretches. The coach and the GM never crushed the guy. If anything, they double down and get his back. For them to openly crush him, on the record, The only theory that I can come up with, because I don't have any inside information on this one, is it's intangible stuff. They do not think he's trying hard enough, working hard enough, grinding hard enough,

being a good enough teammate, whatever it may be. Because if they did, I think they would understand, like, you know, he's giving us everything he has. Because that's usually how football coaches operate, right? He's just, he's laying it on the line. They don't think this guy's laying it on the line. Putting all of his chips in the middle of the table. Tom Brady, obsessed. Bree's obsessed, Rivers obsessed.

Is Jared Goff obsessed with playing the position right now? Because he's being paid like he's an all-time great. But I have never, ever, in recent memory, seen a GM and coach absolutely eviscerate a quarterback that is 99.9% going to be on their team next year and still respect them. I don't see how they have any respect for them. Now there's a difference between, you know, being just, God, I wish we had that one back.

He's not good enough. And just like, God, I don't like looking at the guy. I don't like the guy around. Because you'd have to have some of those thoughts in this business to publicly crush a guy like they are. You can't convince me otherwise. Because Collins' theory on the asking for the pay cut, in what fucking world is Jared Goff giving money back? because if the rolls were reversed, the team wouldn't give any money back.

The team would, if his contract was Jimmy Garoppos, Jared Goff would be a lock to either get traded or cut. It would be a 100% lock. If they could cut him, they would cut him yesterday. They can't. It makes no sense. We just saw them do that to Todd Gurley. Now, the one thing with Todd,

they never publicly crushed him, right? Because they knew the knee. The knee was just an issue. He, like, had an excuse. They saw him when he was. great and then they saw him when his knee was messed up and it sucked and they just cut him. The Jared Goff situation feels

like there's something a little below the surface and I'm waiting I'm keeping my eyes just my head on a swivel for a story to come out, for an article to come out. You know, he just wasn't getting there early enough or you know some of his teammates just

wasn't feeling his effort. You know, they thought he kind of tapped out you know week six or something. Other than that, it doesn't make any sense. This is unheard of. Find me where coach and GM do this.

I've been forwarding it to so many people. It's like, can you believe Les Needs said this? That yeah, yeah, we'll see. We don't know. Basically like, yeah, we can't stand this guy. I mean, it's entertaining for me because it gives me something to talk about. But every quote I read from Rams,

whether it's Sean McVeigh or Less Need, I'm just like, I can't believe he just said that. And if I'm Jared Goff, I mean, I don't understand how to you come to any other conclusion, but these guys can't stand me. Okay, let's dive into the Middle Coff mailback. You guys know the drill.

I've got John Middlecough. Hey, mate. I wonder if he's from Australia. Question for the pod. Does the NFL have any form of second-tier league like the NBA or Major League baseball does with the G-League or AAA? In most sports like soccer are over here in Australia, I was right.

We have secondary leagues where young guys can develop and get more physically mature. For example, if the Packers draft Jordan Love and have him sit, not dress for a whole season, he would still be playing in the second tier game instead of being worthless to them this season, he would still be getting game development. If the NFL doesn't have anything like this, why wouldn't it work? Would it just be too many people on the roster? Sorry for the long question. Love the pot.

Well, they do, and it's called college football. So you are, they develop guys from 18 to 22 and then you pick and choose in the draft, you know, given your options at the time, who you want. The Packers pick Jordan Love a major, major project. And the way you get him ready is then through practice and preseason games. The problem with, so they do not have a secondary league. And these leagues that have existed, the AAA, the XFL, you know,

the NFL would not give them Jordan Love. part of the problem in football is I could not take a first round player who was not playing on my team using Jordan Love as an example and put him in some random league even if there was. What if he broke his leg? What scheme are we running?

Who's blocking for them? So, you know, it's just the developmental league is college football and then practice. It's just the way the NFL works. and that will never change. I actually think college football is a huge help to the sport and popularity of football.

Hey John, love the show. Why did Mike Petten call cover one man before the half on Scotty Miller's TD catch? The dude runs a 439. Kevin King didn't have a shot. Why is nobody making a big deal about this play call? Will Redmond playing in the middle of the field had no chance for over-the-top help.

Wasn't even on the screen when Scott Scottie Miller caught it. Total New York Jets call in the biggest moment of Mike Petten's career. Listen, Mike Petten hasn't been good for a couple years. Somehow he's still employed there. If I remember correctly, wasn't Rex Ryan's always playing man coverage. That's their deal. Now, it's easy to do when you have Revis, right? They had really good corners on some of those great Jets teams that went to the AFC championship game.

Comerardi and Revis. You could just man up. You can't do that with Kevin King, who's just, you know, an average player. So, yeah, I mean, it's just you can't allow a touchdown there. I don't pretend to be, you know, Dick LeBoe here. But in that situation, with not much time on the clock, you know, prevent defense and just playing a little off wouldn't kill you. Right? I would put everyone back.

You cannot allow a touchdown there. And the reason we're not talking about that play, is Aaron Rogers said a bunch of shit after the game. That's the reason. That play was killer. They were up 14 to 10. And the Packers, if you just go 17 to 10 and you're getting the ball, okay, they give up a touchdown 21 to 10,

then come out of the half. Aaron Jones fumbles is 28 to 10. They lost 31 to 26. Touchdown is the difference in the game. Awful, awful, awful, awful. wanted to get your thoughts on public criticism of golf by the ramps. Do you think that this might be a tactic to use a trade bait for Watson? Stafford, for one, of the other quarterbacks under contract, but available.

25 million next year is not a lot for a young quarterback, but they may not think too much of golf. No, they probably don't. It might have a chance to be a better talent, to get a better talent in Stafford. We're a better playmaker in Watson. or do you think it's a money ploy? So the question is basically what we talked about earlier with Goff. I just don't think they like them.

And I think they're stuck and they have no access to any of these players. Gophe doesn't have any trade value. They don't have the ability to, they don't have picks. I don't really know what the Rams are doing. I just know they can't stand Jared Gough. Like that much is clear. They openly talk about it. They can't stand them.

Question for the pod or just in general. How sick do the dolphins feed? and how much does it reflect on the decision makers that they picked Tua over Herbert? All this talk of giving up Tua and multiple picks to get Deshaun if they had just picked Herbert last year, they would be set for 10 plus years. Must keep them awake at night. It has to be one of the biggest, I mean, most devastating decisions you'll ever make. Now, here's where they are lucky.

They have the number three overall pick. Deshawn Watson you would think would want to play there. I know it's been reported he has. You have access to get him. You can trade to and get another quarterback. But there is no guarantee that that guy is going to sniff being Justin Herbert. If they take Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, the chance of that guy's 80% of Justin Herbert seems slim to none, right?

I mean, Justin Herbert's already one of the best quarterbacks in the league. We all make decisions, man. And at the time, I don't think anyone in any business makes a decision that they don't feel as the best possible decision at that moment. They believed that Tua was better than Herbert. I was told the Chargers had Tua above Herbert. No one knew Herbert was going to be this good.

That can't be argued. But, I mean, I think a lot of us thought he had all this talent, but how good he was as a rookie was mind-blowing. But that's all out the window. We're in 2021. He is this good. Tula really struggled. And there's not a fan.

There's not a, you know, a team that would take two over Herbert. So it's just devastating. I don't know they're lucky. Their team is good. But we just talked about it with Deshaun. The most important player by a mile is the quarterback. So you can have this really talented team. Nine, 10, 11 wins.

You see, with the Colts, they don't have a quarterback. So they're going to have to probably get desperate and make some crazy play for Stafford or Deshawn Watson and give up all their picks. It's just, it sucks. If I was a Dolphins fan, I don't even think I'd blame them. I'd just be like, God, if we just, sometimes you need a little luck to fall your weight. No one blame them for taking Tua over Herbert. That's where it's hard to totally crush them. You can't crush them because everyone had Tua above Herbert.

I guess not everybody, but it was just universally accepted. The job, though, as a GM or the head coach, is not to worry about what's universally accepted, to get the right player. And they took the wrong player. There's just... It is what it is, at this point. You just have to try to fix the problem.

And I don't know if it's necessarily possible. Appreciate everyone listening. Enjoy the weekend. No football for the first time, you know, in like six months. That sucks. But we'll just have to keep our head up and, yeah, just have a nice, relaxing weekend. see everyone next week. Godspeed.

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On The Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down,

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