The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out -  Draft Grade Hate, Georgia Draft Dominance, Ratings Dip

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

John wraps up the NFL Draft weekend by explaining why he hates draft grades and looks at Georgia’s draft class dominance, why the ratings dipped, if more teams should involve players in the draft process like the Eagles with Jason Kelce. Follow John and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Every general manager, head coach, scouting, assistants, directors, and scouts around the league are all really hung over. And we now have football teams, you know. The teams are definitely not set in stone. Still free agents out there. Obviously, there'll be some transactions in the fall. In training camp usually happens, right? Guys get cut. guys still get traded. Obviously, the big cutdown happens before the season. But I would say for the

most part, every team has the majority of guys that are going to be contributors somewhat on their roster right now. Maybe a guy here and a guy there. But if you're a fan of whatever team, you know who's on your squad. And that's always cool. And a lot to get into and we'll just dive right in. Three and Out podcast. You listen on Collins feed. Subscribe separately to the three and out if you like it. Greatly appreciate that. Leave a review, Apple iTunes. The people tell me that you can also do that on Spotify.

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you name it, firing those DMs. But before we get into football, really quick, I'm not going to beat a dead horse on this, but I've said forever with the NFL and the NBA is the same thing, how little they actually care about their referees.

I mean, the refereeing in which I just witnessed in the Warriors, Memphis Grizzly game, and it goes both ways, was just a complete embarrassment. Every call, on both sides. And the NFL, we all know how controversial and how just inept it feels during the season,

during the playoffs. And I say it all the time, the NFL does not care. The NBA clearly does not give a shit. I mean, they once had a referee who was in bed with the mob, influencing. I grew up in Davis, California,

we're five minutes away from Sacramento. Sacramento. Donaghy ref the game that the Lakers ended up winning the conference finals. And obviously they went to the finals of one like the third straight championship. So it's like I don't take any of these referees seriously. My problem is is every one of our industries in the private sector, if you guys do not listen to this podcast, I would not make money and I would go under. If you're a sales guy listening to this and you do not sell, you will lose your job. if players play poorly, they get cut or traded. When coaches coach poorly, they get fired.

Yet referees over and over and over are inept at their job and nothing ever happens. It's crazy. It's only referees and politicians where you can be inept at your job and keep it and no one says anything. It's wild. Well, people do complain, but nothing ever actually changes. Yet any of us in whatever industry we're in, when we suck, we lose our job. we lose our job. It goes away.

We go under. It's just, it baffles my mind. How consistently terrible technology, none of this stuff is even helping. It's just, it's a major head scratcher. And today, like in the NFL, complete embarrassment.

I mean, the zebras, man, we just, it's a never-ending saga in the world. I mean, Angel Hernandez the other day. I don't understand in 2022, to how professional referees in all the sports can consistently be so off base, so wrong on every meaningful call. But it happens over and over.

And speaking of meaningful things, I got to go on a little rant here because a lot of people, especially the print media and that they make their money on clicks, right? They need you to click or subscribe to what they're doing and pay for it for them to survive. And in the history of content, draft grades work really well. Right? It does. But let's be real. They're the dumbest exercise in the history of exercises when it comes to talking or writing about the draft. Because no one knows a damn thing, including the teams.

I've been saying forever, the reaction in the draft rooms after a guy is picked is so happy. And a lot of jubilation. People are excited. but when you pick a player, whether it be the seventh pick in the draft or whether it be the 200 pick in the draft, you're making an educated guess. You don't truly know. Now, the higher the pick in the draft, you have more information. That guy's better in terms of in college, his attributes, however he projects or else you

wouldn't take him there. But you don't know how good that guy is going to be. And then when draft grades come out, I give you an A, I give you a C, it's based on my opinion. So if I like a player, for example, I loved Kyle Hamilton. So I go, well, the Ravens got to steal, right? I think the Ravens, one of the best picks in the first round, Kyle Hamilton at 14. Well, if in a couple years, Kyle Hamilton isn't very good, who cares? Honestly, we should be grading at the end of the draft.

Drafts from 2018. Think about three of the best players from the draft three years ago. It's Debo Samuel, A.J. Brown, and D.K. Metcalf. None of them went in the first round. None of them. So you have, the teams don't know, let alone people on the outside. I like Mel Kuiper. I've known DJ since I worked in the NFL. I literally worked with them with the Eagles and I replaced him when he went to NFL network. Those guys, I'm not saying they don't have, you know, educated opinions, but it doesn't mean they're right or wrong. So I could come out and tell you, well, I love the Eagles draft. I hate the Raiders

draft. I think the Jaguars crushed it and I think Seattle's a bunch of more. that would just be my opinion. And listen, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion, right? Taking a stance and if you like a player saying something. But it's so meaningless. Like the ultimately, if you're a fan of a team, I'm sure you clicked on an article and it gave your team a C and you're pissed off or gave your team an A and it was awesome.

But if those guys, like, once the actual season comes, and let's be real, during OTAs, half the draft class, you go, oh, God, we got something here. Oh, this might not be great. And then even then until the pads come on in the fall, you don't even know. Because this isn't even real football. So this exercise, which is never going to go away as long as it's profitable for the media entities, which I don't blame them for doing.

I'm a capitalist. I'm pro making a profit. But it's stupid. It doesn't make any sense because no one has any information. These guys haven't even stepped foot. They haven't made one tackle. They haven't caught one ball. How many guys over the years you're like, I think this guy's going to be a player?

And then he stinks. or like, who the hell is this guy? And then he becomes a seven-year starter for your team. It's why I never have a strong opinion on a third-day pick. You know why? Because I have been going to NFL training camps now. What year is it? 2002.

This will be my 13th NFL training camp. Just going to different camps in the fall. And have it access as either a member, I don't consider myself a member of the media, but just a guy with access and a guy that worked for a team. And I have gone to so many of these where it's like, I love this guy coming out of college. and then he ends up getting cut as a fifth rounder.

And then I'll be sitting there at 49er practice and this guy named Matt Brayda will catch, I'll never forget being out of practice in training camp. And he caught this ball down the sideline. And I went, who the hell is that? And he was an undrafted free agent. He made the team. He ended up playing a lot for their Super Bowl team.

But you don't get any credit for undrafted free agents. And every single year, multiple undrafted free agents beat out guys that you draft. So a large part of draft grades aren't even, you know, based on your first round pick, it's based on how they value the third, fourth, and fifth rounders. Because you might, Mel Kuyper or DJ or whoever might have a guy that you drafted in the fifth round and they had him a second round value. So they're going to give you a lot of credit for that.

And I'm always one to say that like the draft is an economic and a valuation of what you're worth at the given time. But that's based on the team. Like I give a lot of credit to the Atlanta Falcons and the Tennessee Titans because they took two quarterbacks. one, Malik Willis was getting mocked in the top 10, which was insane. He went in the third round, where he should have gone. Desmond Ritter, fringe first round pick. They got him in the third round. Like, that's just good value.

Now, are either of these guys going to be able to play? Who knows? Because if it turns out either one of them become a legit starting quarterback, obviously you'd give that guy an A, you know, that general manager of that team. Think years ago. Two of the better picks over the past decade are Dak Prescott and Russell, Wilson, because both teams got full-time starters at quarterback in the third and fourth round. It doesn't get any better than that.

But I guarantee you this, because I know where I stood when they drafted Dak Prescott, I'm like, this guy is going to be an NFL quarterback. I didn't love him coming out of Mississippi State. And he's turned out, now listen, I don't love him for $40 million. But that's one of the better draft picks ever. If Tom Brady literally is the best draft pick of all time at pick $199, Dak Prescott, even if he never wins a playoff game again or whatever, is an incredible draft pick. I think we all acknowledge that, right?

Russell is in the pantheon of all-time great picks in the third round. Just the reality of the situation. But no one knows anything. No media members, the teams don't even know. Now, we'll find out more as training camp games, practices happen with pads, once they start going up against their teammates. You know, I like the 49ers pick against Drake Jackson. They get him in the second round. Kid from USC.

Well, what if by the time training camp comes around, you're like, yeah, this is a really big struggle for this guy. He might not actually play. You just never know. So I despise. And let me repeat, despise draft grades. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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and they go out on their own, and they can't make it. They fail, right? Like eventually the lion, the cheetah, the jaguar, the leopard. You have to teach your Cubs, like once they hit a certain age and grow big enough how to hunt. you can't always hunt for them. And it's no different in coaching. Clearly, Bill Belichick has never taught his assistant coaches anything besides how to get ready for that game because they go off on their own and they crumble.

I mean, they fall apart. It's really pretty wild how consistently they suck. Yet Nick Sabin, if you go work from him, and it's a little different in college, right? Because recruiting is a lot different than drafting. but still, like, those guys that go work for Nick Saban go on to excel. The only guy who's really struggled is Will Mustchamp. Jim McElwain, who got fired at Florida, was winning the SEC East every year. Mel Tucker's going on to be a stud.

Jimbo won a Natty. Kirby Smart just won a Natty. But Kirby Smart and the University of Georgia has set the NFL record for 15 players drafted. That's pretty eye-opening. and obviously not one was the quarterback. Now it's basically the entire defense and they're running backs. And really what Kirby did is he built the blueprint like Nick in the early 2010s. Your quarterback doesn't matter, have an incredible defense and run the ball down people's throat and bully people.

And that's what he did. And when you have a class like this who has this many guys drafted, you're going to be able to put this many guys up, it's not like Georgia hasn't been producing NFL players, but this is a whole other level. It can take your program to a sustainable level. So every year, like right now Kirby should, to me, he should be a coin flip away from landing Archmanning.

Kirby Smart should win if he can parlay this and he's recruiting really well into several more national championships. Now, I don't ever expect him to catch Nick Sabin. No one's winning six, seven national championships again. But I think Kirby has a very, very good chance to win like two in the next five years. and have a career where he wins like three national championships. And here's the other thing. I watched a lot of press conferences on Thursday and Friday night of teams after they drafted

players from the SEC. And every single time, the general manager would light up smile and said, we feel very good about drafting guys from the SEC. This kid played in the SEC. We saw him against the best competition in the SEC. Now, it's not really an argument anymore. You are in the vocal, I guess, could even be the silent minority if you don't think the SEC is the best.

But again, they have the most guys drafted in the NFL. They've won the last however many national championships, right? LSU, Alabama, and Georgia. It ain't a conversation. And the Big Ten is an excellent football conference. I think the Pac-12 is going to come storming back now that Utah is really good. Oregon's pretty sustainable, and they got Lincoln Riley. And Pac-12 actually had the second.

second most of any conference players drafted, I think at 25. The SEC had 65. So, and a huge part of that was the 15 guys at the University of Georgia. But there are any arguments anymore. If you're still arguing, you're either a troll or you're just a fucking moron, you shouldn't talk about football anymore. Because the SEC isn't just king on the field. It's now, I mean, it's Ben King in terms of putting people in the NFL and through the general manager's eyes. And ultimately, I can have an opinion, you can have an opinion. they're the ones that determine who plays in the league, the GMs and the coaches. And they're telling you everything you need to know.

The best players, the high-end talent, the talent and the four, fifth, six, all the rounds, start and end with the SEC. How many times, and I wasn't that locked in on Saturday's draft, but you would just look up in a guy from LSU, a guy from Arkansas, a guy from Alabama would be drafted and be like, you know what, I've never heard of that guy. And it's just one after another.

It's just a clinic down there. I've said for a while, and we just talked about Sabin and how good he is with assistant. coaches, the Jimbo's, the Kirby's, Lane Kiffin, Mel Tucker, even Jim McElwain, who don't sleep on Jim McAwen. The Chippewas had more players drafted in the University of Florida. And the guy can coach, I'll promise you that. I'll die on that hill. But Belichick has struggled to give coaches the secret sauce. They clearly, he's not a great teacher to them. Maybe he hoards information. I don't know. A little weird, but they have never figured out. His GMs, though, on the opposite

side, he clearly gives them really good information. Because Jason Light, J. Robb, John Robinson in Tennessee, Ziegler in Oakland, who's only had the job now for what, four or five months? Like, I think he gives fantastic, Nick Casario, who had an excellent draft with the Texans, he must communicate with those guys behind the walls of the Patriot offices much more clearly in terms of team building, in terms of what to look for in players. Now, Belichick drafts weird, right? To me, Belichick's always draft a little like,

I'm going to show you how smart I am. And he drafts guys from obscured colleges, from weird places. You know, from a valuation standpoint, I wouldn't call Belichick the greatest drafter by any means. But he clearly understands what to look for in a football player, especially once they become an NFL player. And I think his general managers, for as bad as his coaching tree is,

and it's bad. It's awful, actually. It doesn't get much worse. His general manager tree is pretty damn strong. I think his general manager tree in like five or six years is a chance to have some of the best GMs in the league. I mean, you'd already say Jason Light is the way he's beat that team. John Robinson's been building the Titans as a double-digit win team now for years. I think Ziegler's done a fantastic job. And I do think that Casario is going to build a competitive team's going to take a little time, but they have so many picks now. I think whatever they're teaching the scouts, it's really impressive. The ratings on Thursday night were down and really down.

And let's just be real. And I'll just be candid. If I didn't feed my unborn children through talking about the NFL, I would have gone, played golf or gone out to dinner. This draft did nothing for me, partly because 49ers didn't have a pick, but eight other teams didn't have a pick. There were no star quarterbacks. And let's face it, it really lacks some star power.

So one, listen, I'll be the last guy to like kind of be a shill for the NFL. I think it's very understandable. I don't blame anyone for not watching. But it also, if you just add up the major cities that didn't have a pick, San Francisco is the 49ers are easily one of the NFL's biggest brands. Chicago is like the third biggest market in America. Denver is a massive NFL city. none of those teams had picks.

Why would you watch the first round if your team doesn't have a pick? I mean, Raider's sneaky, you know, national fan base. No first or second round picks. So you just get to a position where it was a unique draft in terms of there were no star quarterbacks. There really weren't that many star players. Like I would say last year, Jamar Chase was a bigger star and he didn't even play the previous year than any player non-quarterback in this given draft.

And then when you factor in all the teams, which just a unique set of circumstances with all the trades that traded away their first and honestly second round picks, like that team, if my team doesn't have a pick, like I'm sorry, I'll go do something else Thursday night.

Like I, and I love football. And I love the draft. Now, I'd be lying. I'd probably still watch it if I was like selling insurance or whatever, but I wouldn't as been locked in as like two years ago's draft.

The Mac Jones, Trey Lance, Jamar Chase, you know, Devante Smith, Justin Fields. I mean, that thing felt like an NFL football game. No one was missing that thing. And then when you factored in the teams

that were sniffing around for those players, right? I mean, the Chicago Bears ended up getting Justin Fields. The 49ers were taking a quarterback. Belichick was he going to trade up for one of the quarterbacks. Boston, I mean, these are major markets moving and shaken.

The Jets were drafting a number two, a quarterback. So I just think it's very understandable the reason why the ratings were down. It was just, it lacked a lot of oomph. It lacked a lot of star power. And don't ever get it twisted. Pro sports are a television show. That is how they make their money.

It is the, what the television show is people playing basketball, people playing baseball, people playing football. But it is all based on, and the reason we talk so much about ratings is that's what pays the bills. That's where all the money comes from. Well, not actual all of it, but the majority of the, cash, the cash that basically keeps the league flowing, everything else is extra profit from what you make on jersey sales and sweet sales. That's just extra cash, why all these guys got yachts. But the reason the league is thriving and every team has so much money is television because we watch the games. And honestly, the draft is usually a huge lot of eyeballs, but this one lacked them.

And I just think it's very, very understandable. One thing, and I don't know if I mentioned this on Thursday and Friday. You know, it's funny when you're a podcaster. I just talk a lot. And sometimes I'll say something and then people will like send me a text or shoot me a DM laughing about something I said.

And I'll be like, honestly, I don't remember saying that. I just, not that I'm like in the zone, but you just, you just talk. You know, I don't, I can't, even after this podcast, I wouldn't be able to like verbatim say exactly what I said. Sometimes you just get flown and things come out of your mouth. And, uh, it,

It went viral, at least on my timeline on Twitter. On Friday night, Jason Kelsey must have been doing something with Bleacher Report. And Bleacher Report spending a lot of money on a lot of players being involved in their thing. And I looked. Bleacher Report had 100,000 views. Pat McAfee had a million views. I mean, Pat McAfee is an absolute cash cow. That guy gets people to watch.

That guy gets people to listen. That guy is a needle mover. You know? Here's the one thing that's great about... 2022 and really moving forward. If you can move product as an entertainer, you just put yourself on YouTube and people watch. If they don't, they don't.

But that guy has created a massive, massive brand. Now, Aaron Rogers comes on a show. That clearly helps, but he is a rock star. But Jason Kelsey on this Bleacher report thing that just mentioned that he was a part of the draft process and how he gave him a bunch of offensive linemen really the last couple years to evaluate. And it actually made me laugh because the Warriors did the same thing with Draymond Green a couple years ago.

And he like pounded the table. Now, the team picked them too and liked them too. But for this guy named Jacob Evans, who ended up not being long on the team, like he was part of the draft process. But I have no problem having your smart players on the team that are interested in doing stuff like that, be involved. Why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you involve them? Like, I actually think that's good business. if I was a player and I had any inclination or any desire to get involved after my career was done as a front office guy,

I think the first thing you would do is reach out to your general manager and coach and be like, hey, is there anything I can do? Is there any, like you don't have that much going on in the off seas, especially if you're a guy in your 30s and go, hey, I'd love to watch some guys. If I'm a DB, I'd love to watch some DBs. I mean, Kelsey's just been watching the offensive lineman. And he loved a guy that the team loved the guy and they ended up drafted him in the second round. and I just, I think that's pretty cool. Just like I thought, Draymond, when he went to the draft room and helped them, that's cool.

Why, the guy's passionate about the sport. These guys are smart football players, smart basketball players, smart, whatever. Why wouldn't you not involve them if they wanted in? And I just, you watch Jason Kelsey talk. And honestly, I saw some other clips of him talking about guys that were drafted to other teams that he had evaluated. He talked just like a general manager. And I said, and he'll have opportunity to just, do television. Not everyone is meant to be a TV personality. Now, Kelsey, I would say, is a lot

different like Jason Witten. I mean, Kelsey is a big personality. He could easily do media stuff. Honestly, I actually told Coward a while back, I'm like, if you ever want something football-wise, like you got with Draymond, I would be all over the Kelsey brothers. Because they're huge personalities, they're genius football players. And they're just, they're unique. They're very, very unique. And like part of Jason Witten was like, you know, I just, you're not a media guy. You should be working for a team. And I think that's what he does now.

You know, I thought the same thing with Drew Breeze. Like to me, Drew Breeze is just, he should probably be a general manager or a team president. Like not everyone's meant to be Pat McAfee. Some guys are meant to work in a front office. Like they should have, like Drew Breeze clearly has elite football skills and elite football knowledge and understanding of the sport. I actually think it goes to waste. on television because he's just

kind of blah. You know, it's not like to me, Philip Rivers could do whatever he wanted. He could coach a team, he could run a team, and he could be a TV guy. Peyton, same thing. Peyton just,

Peyton does anything. Not everyone is wired like that. Not everyone has those skills, but all the smart athletes who play in a, have a long career, can help you out as an evaluator. Because I saw Siriani say this,

like Jason Kelsey's, a huge part of our weekly game plans. Why would I not ask Jason? Like, what do you think about this blitz? What do you think about this protection? Why wouldn't I ask him? What do you think about this player? Honestly, if I was the Eagles,

I don't think it'd be crazy to have Jason Kelsey evaluate defensive linemen. I mean, he evaluates them every week during the fall for the last 14 years or however long he's been in the NFL. So I think it's very, very smart to utilize guys that want to be utilized. Now, part of it as a player, you have to reach out, and it's got to be something you want to do.

Like, I don't think necessarily teams are going to just go to players, but it's probably an underutilized resource. And I would imagine more and more smart teams attempt to do that moving forward. Now that Jason Kelsey let the cat out of the bag that he's basically the assistant college director for the Eagles. Kelsey's stud. If you told me, honestly, if you told me Kelsey is like an assistant GM in five years after he retires, I would 100% believe you.

And these guys, you know, if you have any desire to do that, you can fire up the rankings. I mean, fast. Because most guys don't have, look at John Lynch. You know, John Lynch was a guy who was a solid broadcaster, but I would put him closer to the Witten. He's better than Jason Witten for sure. But he had the, he had the itch. He wanted the juice of being in the fire, being in the trenches, where you win or lose. you know, honestly, I haven't missed that one day in my life since I've left.

I enjoy doing this infinitely more. And I was pretty good. You know, I wasn't bad. But I'm better at this. And I'm more passionate about this. I enjoy doing this more. And part of it, there are business elements of this that never would have been involved as, you know, if I would have kept scouting. But some guys, it's why I have so much admiration for John Lynch.

He's rich. He's a Hall of Famer. yet he's evaluating like six rounders. Do you know how boring that is? I saw Kyle say in his press conference, he's like, thank God I don't know to watch any more college film till next February.

A lot of coaches feel like that. Lynch is just a junkie. You know, and Kelsey's clearly just a junkie. Some guys just Philip Rivers. Like he just wanted to be a high school coach, wanted to be a high school coach. Philip Rivers is just a football junkie. And when you are that,

I think you're wasted in this space. I think you belong on the inside, in the trenches of the sport, adding to the competition. And, you know, I think Jason Kelsey is going to be, he has future executive written all over him if that's what he wants to do. And I hope he does that. I'm rooting for him to do that.

I'll have another podcast come out Tuesday. And yeah, we'll just, we'll keep rocking and rolling now that OTA is right around the corner. Get some sun. Hopefully, wherever you're living, it's nice and warm. And talk to you guys soon. Peace. The volume. Are you looking for the hottest gambling advice out there?

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