The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Franchise Tag Takes; Dan Snyder's Total Train Wreck Franchise; Middlekauff Mailbag

Episode Date: July 17, 2020

In this episode, John gives his thoughts on deals that got done under the deadline, the top players that got franchised, and the devastating Washington Post article depicting a chaotic, misogynistic d...umpster fire that is Washington under Dan Snyder. He also answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:09 Just read the Washington Redskins article. And we'll talk about that, some of the franchise tags. And Middlecoff mailbag, as of course, at John Middlecoff is my Instagram. And we do mailbags every single podcast. You just ask a question, at John Middlecoff, my name, just spelled out. And slide up in the Instagram, direct messages.
Starting point is 00:03:32 and you get read here on the show. It's pretty easy. Pretty straightforward. You know, we're coming down the home stretch, we think, of training camp starting, and hopefully we'll have a lot more going on. But, you know, like Belichick says, no days off.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Got a couple things to talk about. Fire it up. Also, for those of you that have, I greatly appreciate it. For those of you that haven't, and have been thinking about it, I would greatly appreciate. Go to the Three and Out podcast on Apple or iTunes.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Leave a review, subscribe to that podcast. I know some of you guys listen on Collins' feed. You can also listen on my feed, probably easier that way. Subscribe to that podcast, leave a review. I tip my hat out of respect like Derek Jeter's nephew in the little Jif if you do that. So let's start with this. Before we get into Dan Snyder, I don't want to get too negative off the top.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Let's start with the franchise tags. And the franchise tag has been something that's always talked about every year. Will you extend the guy? Will you franchise tag them? It clearly is a basic mode of operation now in the NFL. It's pretty normal for teams to use it on good players. And to me, when I see a player tagged, it immediately shows a couple things. One, the team values the player because the team could easily just let the player hit the open market.
Starting point is 00:04:53 So if a team tags a player, it shows that team thinks highly of the player. Now we can dispute whether they're in love, whether they like. Obviously, there's contacts in every individual player when it comes to getting tagged. But I'd say for the most part, if you get tagged, you're a couple things. You're a really good player, and you're a player that team would, in theory, like to keep. Now, if you're a tagged player, that usually shows you're an expensive player. You're a highly, you know, you will become a highly compensated, you know, player in the league, right? over a several year deal if you were to hit the open market.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Most players, if they were not tagged, would get large contracts. Sometimes it's simply, depending on the way your cap is structured, you tag a player to trade them because you don't want to lose the value. You don't necessarily want to keep them. For example, we saw it last year with D. Ford. He was tagged and then he was traded to the diners. The chiefs, like D. Ford, didn't want to pay him, but also used his value to their advantage.
Starting point is 00:05:58 I also think the tag deadline also shows a couple things. Are both sides willing to make deals? And I think we often think with the franchise tag that it's the team that is reluctant or not on the same page as the player. Sometimes it's the opposite. And we'll get into DAC in a second. It takes two to tango in a contract negotiation.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Right? If you're going to do a deal with someone in any business, they got to say yes and you got to say yes. As Parag Marathi, the 49ers, Cap Guru, told me, I think it was two years ago we had him on my other podcast, Haberman and Middilcoff, and he said something because we often feel that a lot of the best contract negotiators, Howie Roseman, you know, Parag, Belichick, some of the teams that are known as like cutthroat with money,
Starting point is 00:06:52 kind of screw over or always win the deals. And he was adamant that he doesn't like, doing deals unless the other side feels comfortable. Now sometimes as a team you're going to have leverage and vice versa. Sometimes as the player, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, Patrick Mahomes, you're going to have leverage. Now in the NFL, typically for a player to have leverage, he has to be elite, right? Sometimes you see in basketball and you see in baseball, a player can have some leverage and just be like above average. That's not the case in the NFL. And I think that's why the NFL is so healthy. You don't get stuck signing consistently.
Starting point is 00:07:27 dumb contracts. If you're going to pay $90 million to a defensive lineman, usually his name's Khalil Mack or Miles Garrett. It's not just some random Joe Schmoe. Now, the bad teams do sign random players. But when we look at the players who got done, because I think the deal, I think the couple deals that got done right at the deadline
Starting point is 00:07:48 showed you two things. The player and the team were on the same page. Let's start with the Tennessee Titans. John Robinson, Mike Vrable, have put together a very, very solid team. Two years ago, they were in a win to get in game, Week 17, and remember Marcus Marriota got hurt and the Colts beat him, but they were right there.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Next year, they have a backup plan to get Ryan Taneyhill. He comes in, you know, Marcus Marriota kind of gets benched, is hurt, whatever, is terrible. And Ryan Tanyhill, because the infrastructure around them was good, and Derek Henry carries the team to the AFC championship game. Now, I'm a believer that you don't pay running backs, and when I say you don't pay running backs, you don't commit to four to five years with running backs, like what the Cowboys did with Zeke, like what the L.A. Rams did with Todd Gurley.
Starting point is 00:08:41 They didn't give him 20 or 30 million, which essentially equates to a two-year deal. They gave those guys $45, $50 million. So essentially, three and a half, four-year deals you are stuck with the player on top of the upcoming year. Well, the Tennessee Titans, Derek Henry, who has been a very, very good player, who last year had a historic season. He broke the record of like three straight games with over 180 yards. He was dominant. He was like secretariat.
Starting point is 00:09:09 He was unstoppable. And they signed him to, I would say, a very team-friendly deal, but also a smart deal for Derek Henry. No one was going to give a guy like Derek Henry, who you wouldn't really call a complete back, much more of a between-the-tackles runner, but it's very good at it. and they essentially gave him a two-year $25 million deal.
Starting point is 00:09:30 I know the deal says for whatever $50 million, but they guaranteed $25 million. So you're basically betting on his prime these next couple years and you're, you feel good about it. And from Derek Henry standpoint, you see some of these guys hitting the open market, Leveon Bell, who's a more complete player, who I think ended up with $27 million.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Melvin Gordon, who's not as good of a runner, but who's a better pass catcher, but he's battled some injury. I think out like $14 million. You just look at the open market. You go, they're giving me $25 million. I'm also, I played football in the South. I'm still playing in the NFL in the South.
Starting point is 00:10:07 My market ability in this area is really strong. It makes sense. It takes two to tango and they got the deal done. When it comes to Brett Veach, Andy Reed, and Chris Jones, you've got to tip your hat first to Patrick Mahomes, who could have, I once heard this story, I think Lewis Riddick told me when I was in the NFL about Bill Pollian, always complaining about doing deals with Tom Condon and Peyton Manning.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Because Tom Condon would always tell him, that's not enough. That's not enough. We want more. And Polion would go, how am I supposed to pay my other players? And Tom Condon would basically reply, I don't give a shit. That is not my problem. That is not what Mahomes did to Andy Reed and Veach and the Chiefs. He allowed them to have a lot of cap space this year,
Starting point is 00:10:49 because I think he's playing on his $2.2 million base salary under his rookie contract. it was a 10-year extension, and they didn't rip up the contract. And he enabled them to get this deal done. And here's the thing with Chris Jones. If you have a great quarterback, what do you want next? And if I use the Colts analogy, what did they have? They had Mathis and they had Frini.
Starting point is 00:11:08 So if you're going to have Mahomes, to me, the most important two things to have are going to be sweet pass rushers. They got Frank Clark, they keep Chris Jones, and a good offensive line, which they have. That is the key. And they invested in. They've drafted this guy. They know this guy. and he proved in the highest level of football, right, in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, he can take over.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I am not in, like, I don't look at the Titans paying a premium for Derek Henry. They gave him a solid contract, but they didn't, like, mortgage their salary cap. The Chiefs who gave, you know, more than double the guaranteed money. Now, he plays a much more important position, an interior pass rusher to Chris Jones. But at the end of the day, he's an elite player. And his high end is just elite. So anytime that I can get an elite defensive tackle, I don't mind paying a premium. Because if I'm going to pay a premium, the player better be dominant.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Or at least have B plus A minus all the time. I can't afford to give A minus money to a B minus C plus player. And I think you often see that in free agency, and it's why a lot of teams get in trouble with their cap. Well, the Chiefs right now, when you think about who have they paid? I don't know, Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Tyree Kill, they've paid pro bowl and all pro level players. When you look at the Tennessee Titans, Derek Henry is an all pro level player
Starting point is 00:12:31 who fits their scheme perfectly, and they know them, and they know the person. I am always much more comfortable paying a guy in my locker room because I know him. I see him work every day. I know the way he operates. I know what he's like when he's in a bad mood.
Starting point is 00:12:46 I know what he's like in a good mood. You always feel more comfortable taking care of your own if they deserve it. And I think both these two guys deserved it. Now, when you look at Dak Prescott, a little bit different. Because I said on Monday, it was pretty clear. They hadn't, Clarence Hill had reported, they hadn't had a negotiation or contract talks since March.
Starting point is 00:13:08 And you do deals with people you want to do deals with. You communicate with people you want to communicate with. If you don't talk to someone for a long period of time or text message, send an email, that is because you don't want to. That is because you don't value the person. How often do you go without, even if you're away from home for a week, texting your wife, calling your wife, calling your kids? How often if you're separated even during this pandemic, do you not talk to your business partner or your boss or your clients?
Starting point is 00:13:44 You prioritize what is important in your life. and you can tell me that they love Dak Prescott, but a little weird. Now, the news we found out on Wednesday, Jane Slater, who's also on this podcast network, tweeted that the Cowboys had made a significant offer of $33 to $35 million and over $100 million guaranteed. That was on the table. And then last minute, Dak Prescott personally got involved. and the deal didn't get done because it was too late. Like, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:14:19 I've had some people in the league push back at me on this, and they blame the Cowboys. If that deal's on the table, that's on Dak Prescott. Like, pigs get fed, hawks get slaughtered. How are you not signing a deal over $100 million in $33 to $34 million a year? Who do you think you are? I've also gotten some arguments with some buddies in the league
Starting point is 00:14:37 that, like, think there are going to be a lot of options next year on the open market. I don't think that's guaranteed. What if he doesn't play well? What if he's just average? You either get better or you get worse in the NFL. Nobody stays the same. Because if he gets better, the Cowboys will just franchise him again.
Starting point is 00:14:54 He won't be available. The thing with Kirk Cousins, it was pretty easy for the Redskins to let him walk. The team sucked. He was kind of a limited player. He had no athleticism. Now he's been solid for the Vikings, but their team is dramatically better than anything he played with in Washington. The thing with, his team stacked.
Starting point is 00:15:14 He has stud players everywhere. They just added another star-wide receiver. So why not franchise them? Now, if you put that offer on the table, like, that's on his side. It takes two to tango. You ever sign a contract? Both sides of the party need to sign the deal. So if the Cowboys have this thing and they email it to them
Starting point is 00:15:35 or they send them in docket sign and he doesn't sign it or he, you know, nitpicks it, like that's on the player's side. What does he think he's getting? What are you arguing over? An extra $5 million? You're not the quarterback of the Jaguars. You're not the quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:15:56 You're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. If they're offering you $100 to $110 guaranteed million, you will double that off the field. And Collins talked about this for a long time. Your value as a quarterback of that team is just infinitely higher of basically any other team in the league. It's very valuable to be the quarterback of that squad. That's why you've seen him on so many commercials over the last several years.
Starting point is 00:16:21 So yeah, he hasn't made that much in his annual income because of where he was drafted. He's made millions off the field. He could have doubled down. He could have made millions now on the field and millions off the field. Now he's going to get $30 million, but there's a huge risk. This is football. What if he has a major injury? What if he plays terrible?
Starting point is 00:16:40 What if the team just because of this pandemic? No practice. they're just not that good. I know if you look at the odds, everyone thinks the Cowboys are going to win the division and everyone, cowboys have like the third best odds to win the NFC. I mean, to me, that's a pretty big stretch
Starting point is 00:16:54 based on a new coaching staff implementing a new system. But, like, I'm putting this one on DAC and his camp. If that offer was legitimately on the table, I can't blame Jerry. Like, what do you want? We can only kiss your ass with offers so many times. This is more than a fair offer if those numbers are true. and Jane's always on the ball.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Like, she ain't making this up. Like, that's on Dak Prescott. And I give Derek Henry, and I give John Robinson and his camp and both sides, they got a deal done. Chris Jones, Brett Veach, the Kansas Chiefs, got a deal done. You either get deals done or you don't. Like, you can, oh, it's on him, it's on somebody. The deal did not get done.
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Starting point is 00:23:47 Brought to you by Nidza and the Ad Council. One thing has become pretty clear, and we talk about it all the time when it comes to football. But I think it rings true in the NBA. It's probably fair to say in Major League Baseball, too, but definitely in the NFL and the NBA. That successful franchises usually have high-level ownership. and crappy franchises usually have terrible ownership. And I think the Washington, I mean, they don't even have a name. The team doesn't even have a name right now.
Starting point is 00:24:23 The Washington, they don't have a name. Just say that out loud. That sums up your franchise. They're a joke franchise right now. Now, I'm going to separate the coaching staff because Ron Rivera and I think his staff are high level. He's successful. This is not his professional.
Starting point is 00:24:40 problem. Well, I mean, technically it is his problem now. This is not his fault. He didn't create this. And I think it's a big challenge for Ron. Because, for example, I think the Washington, I want to call on the Redskins, but it's not even their name anymore, are the New York Knicks
Starting point is 00:24:57 of football. And what's weird is James Dolan was handed the team. He was born into wealth. Dan Snyder accumulated that wealth on his own. Really an incredible business story, right? Kind of like the Mark Cuban of the NFL, except Mark Cuban led a successful franchise. And, you know, when you look at, like, some teams, for example,
Starting point is 00:25:22 are limited by the amount of money they have, like some small market teams in the NBA, they just don't have the money. For example, like the Sacramento Kings are always going to just be limited financially compared to, like, what the Warriors make now. But the Warriors Forever were a joke. Let me repeat a joke. Like a Donald Sterling level clippers joke, they were the same.
Starting point is 00:25:44 They were the clippers. Then Joe Laker bought them and they'd never look back. Like that happened, right? And I think the power of ownership is really important. Now, the reality is, you know, like in any building, like in any business, there are going to be, when you give me 32 options of 32 people, even of the most successful people,
Starting point is 00:26:09 then you ask them all to run. a franchise. Some are going to be better at it than others. It's just the nature of the beast. The cream's going to rise. There's going to be some just in the middle of the pack, which is going to be the majority, and there's going to be some crap on the bottom. We've seen that in the NFL for a long time, right? Whoever has owned the Browns, whether it was Jimmy Haslam and was it Lerner before him, the Davis family and the Raiders for the last couple decades have been atrocious.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Before Michael Bidwell took over his family, his parents in Arizona, joke. Joke. I mean, really bad. The Spanos is, I'd consider like middle of the road. But I'd say in the NFL, like when you factor in prestige, power of market, unlimited money. It's not like the Redskins aren't making money. That's the thing with the Raiders forever. They couldn't make any money.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Redskins print cash. They are a cash cow brand. And they never win. Same with the Knicks. The Knicks stink. And if you put them on the open market right now, they get like $5 billion. It's incredible how much money and value they still have,
Starting point is 00:27:21 despite being kind of irrelevant for the last couple decades. You take out Linsanity. I mean, what are we talking about here? One good Carmelo year? When's the last time they've been good? Same with the Redskins? Like, RG3 season? They got bounced in the first round of the playoffs when he got hurt.
Starting point is 00:27:36 they made the playoffs I think they made the playoffs once in the 2000s they were a laughing stock and then this article comes out and luckily I wasn't going to subscribe to the Washington Post and I'm pro journalism
Starting point is 00:27:51 I just wasn't just to read this article luckily there's you know it's 2020 and people started forming me the free article and I read it and I skimmed it I power read it any lawyers know I think you guys get taught to power speed read in law school
Starting point is 00:28:06 sources say I never attended. I'm just a state school guy. But I skim-read on a state school level, so I probably miss some stuff. But the main gist of this article that had been kind of floating out there in the ether for the last week, that it was, I mean, the rumors out there of drug use and paying off official, like it was like had a chance to be pretty nuts. Turns out it was just three guys who were fired, the play-by-play announcer, and two scouts. And it makes all three look like scumbags.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Like, I'm sorry. I've never dated anyone I worked with. I never was even interested in doing that. I valued my career too much. One, so I never even thought about it like that. And two, like, I just respect women. And I think, I know this. Everyone I worked with in the NFL,
Starting point is 00:28:51 and again, it was a short-lived time, and it was with pretty high-level people, I never saw anything like what was reported in this article. And obviously, a ton of GMs. Even guys like Grigsden, it was a bad GM, like, treated people. nice, not necessarily the scouts, but just people in the organization. You know, I can't even imagine what I read.
Starting point is 00:29:14 And some of the stuff of like one of their personnel guys, last name Santos, texting reporters, pinching their, I mean, it was just complete losers. Like, bro, you're just a loser. And you see a lot on Twitter, like, there's not like some take to be had. The guy's a scumbag and he got fired. Now, and the play-by-play guy was doing similar stuff. If Dan Snyder knew about this and didn't fire them, that's on him. And I don't see how he wouldn't necessarily know about it,
Starting point is 00:29:42 but I don't have that information in front of me right now. And we'll see where this comes. Like, did he cover stuff up? Because if he did, it's going to be bad. But I read the article, and my first takeaway is, yeah, he's not selling the team. Like, you can't get rid of him off this, unless there's a lot more information, and who knows, this stuff is fluid. But at the end of the day, like with Dolan,
Starting point is 00:30:02 these organizations are just a laughing stock for the league. And the league and the NBA, the Knicks, and in the NFL, the Washington Redskins, they would love to have those markets be relevant. They would love to have these teams be successful. But it's pretty hard to overcome incompetency. And Dolan, we all know people who have been handed wealth. Some do a good job, right?
Starting point is 00:30:26 Some are raised the right way and actually take it to another level. And I think you read studies, a majority of people just kind of maintain it, and there's a percentage of it that screwed up. And clearly Dolan is the percentage that... I wouldn't say he screwed up the wealth because they're making money,
Starting point is 00:30:42 but he's not successful. Dan Snyder's one of those guys who actually self-made, made it, and then once he makes it, gets into a business in the NFL and can't figure out how to operate. Whether it's his people skills, whether it's his hiring skills,
Starting point is 00:30:57 I don't know. I don't know the guy. I don't really... I know a couple guys on the staff there now, though they've been there such a short period of time, they don't know, they're just, hell, the corona hit, they haven't even been in the office. So I don't really have much information on the inner workings of the Washington Rediskins.
Starting point is 00:31:14 I just judge them off, having worked in that division, and we just laughed at them. And having worked with Lewis Riddick, that worked for Dan Snyder, hearing some of the stories, like, he's kind of crazy. But I'd say most rich guys and super successful guys are, quote, unquote, a little crazy. Like Jerry Jones, people meet him, like, yeah, he's crazy.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Steve Ballmer, crazy. But they're Joe Lacob, crazy. These guys are hard-charging alpha, never take no for an answer in business, not with women. And they're just, you know, you hear these stories, and they're actually admirable. And every story you hear about Dan Snyder is like the opposite. It's like, this guy's a loser.
Starting point is 00:31:53 And I think, listen, he's not going anywhere. The league's not going to be able to kick him out unless more crazy information comes out about him. and it's going to be very, very hard for Ron Rivera to overcome this. And Ron Rivera right now is by far the most important guy in this organization. But as I, like, we've seen it with the Knicks. They had Mike Dan Tony, who won in Phoenix, who's now winning in Houston. He wins everywhere he goes.
Starting point is 00:32:16 He couldn't win there because he couldn't overcome Dan Snyder. And I think it's going to be difficult for Ron to overcome Dan Snyder. Even though he feels like they're on the same page, Dan might tell you, well, Jerry Richardson, who was kind of kicked out slash forced to sell, slash was over it. Ron got a lot, you know, was able to function with him, who's not an easy guy to work for. But I'd say Dan's probably infinitely more difficult.
Starting point is 00:32:38 And I just, listen, he's got an uphill battle to go. One, just he doesn't have a quarterback probably. Their roster's not talented enough. But just strictly overcoming ownership, because it's proven over and over and over in pro sports. When your owner is a quote-unquote bad owner, you lose. Like, it's why I don't pick the Browns to win this year. It's like, well, they got Jim, you know, they got. Baker Mayfield, they added this guy, they added some offensive linemen, they added a new coach.
Starting point is 00:33:06 We say this shit like every other year with the franchise. As long as Jimmy Haslam's pacing up and down that office, I'm betting against him. I'm betting against him. Like Vivek Rodadevei with the Sacramento Kings. As long as he owns that organization is the lead, the alpha decision maker, I'm betting against him. I'm betting against him. It's pretty simple. You know who's a pretty terrible owner, it seems like?
Starting point is 00:33:30 Seems like a smart guy, a good guy. Actually seems like a nice guy. It's not like he's even a meddler. For whatever reason, his team sucks all the time. Is Shad Khan. Like, he's a successful business guy, and I wouldn't, seems like he's nicer to deal with, though I haven't really,
Starting point is 00:33:46 I don't have any information to base that off of. But he's just a bad owner. You know, some guys are just bad owners, for whatever reason. Sometimes they might mean well. Sometimes they might not mean well. Sometimes they might be assholes. Sometimes they might be nice guys. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I've only. had really experienced, I've only had experience working one guy. He just hired the right guy and he lets him go. Clearly the meddling aspect, the always being around aspect can add pressure. Washington team is just a joke and if Ron Rivera
Starting point is 00:34:16 can just like make the playoffs a couple times with this team I mean shit we might talk about him like a Hall of Fame coach. Okay let's get into the Middlekopf mailbag ad John Middlecough. Also again Apple iTunes go leave a review, subscribe to the three and out podcast. If you're listening through Collins' feed, greatly appreciate that. Start with the Instagram. If I miss your question, I apologize. I don't have a great
Starting point is 00:34:39 accounting method to do this. I get a lot of DMs. Obviously, the vast, vast majority are football questions. Also get some other random ones, and they just get lost in the shuffle. So I'm doing the best I can. I'm not an excuse maker, but it's a little more challenging than they think. because here's the other thing once you send a question and then you try to ask another question you get put in a separate part of the DMs like I try to answer the newest questions
Starting point is 00:35:06 so sometimes the people that ask second questions get mad sometimes I just manually answer the questions and those people are like well is this question going to be on the show sometimes I just do it like I type it back to you and then that Pearson gets mad I apologize I'm trying to do the best I can here what's the craziest miracle you think you've seen
Starting point is 00:35:23 in college football obviously the Bama Auburn one was crazy just for what was on the line, but I've always thought the Duke Miami kickoff return was the craziest thing in sports I've ever seen. That one would definitely be up there. During, I mean, it's still going on, during Corona, I watched the, it was Michigan, it was Michigan, Colorado in the mid-90s. I did not know this. Ray Carruth, I almost say he's on Colorado, but he might have been on Michigan. I think he was on, he was a buffalo. And I just watched the game because it was the Hail Mary game.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Yeah, he was on, he went to Colorado. So Ray Caruth in this game was just giving Michigan the business. And is this the right Ray Caruth? Yeah, he went to Colorado. And then he threw that Hail Mary and it was incredible. But I didn't watch it live. I would say the Alabama, the kick six was, Because I was watching that live.
Starting point is 00:36:27 I was not watching the Miami Duke thing live. I just remember seeing it get replayed. And I was sitting on the couch watching college football. And then it gets replayed. But, yeah, man, it was the kick six. Just given that it was Sabin, given how good the teams were. That was crazy, man. I'm taking the kick six.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Question for the pod. What teams in the NFL would Harbaugh leave Michigan for? And do you think Harbaugh could change them around like he did for the 49ers back in 2011. I think if Dan Quinn were to get fired this year, I think the Atlanta Falcons would be interested in Harbaugh. I think the Chicago Bears, if Matt Nagy and whatever, you know, that doesn't go well for a couple years,
Starting point is 00:37:10 that that could be an option. I would say like Bears, Falcons, just because Falcons have... Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo.
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Starting point is 00:38:38 I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?
Starting point is 00:38:57 Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it.
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Starting point is 00:40:44 Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Big money. Trust me, I believe my guy Matt Nagy ain't losing like he's going to win this fall. But that would just, you know, he played there. I'd say the Colts probably not an option. the dolphins are not an option anymore. I don't know. I mean, as Harbaugh lost a little luster,
Starting point is 00:41:04 I don't think, like, it's different in the NFL than it is in college. Like you go, what teams would Urban Meyer coach? You'd be like USC, Texas, you know, Florida, Ohio State. It's like a short list. What teams would dabble Sweeney, if he left Clemson, be interested in coaching, right? you'd be like Ohio State, USC, you know, Miami, you know, it'd be elite blue blood programs. In football, if Kyler Murray's unreal and Cliff Kingsbury sucks, the Arizona Cardinals is a good job, right?
Starting point is 00:41:39 If Justin Herbert is sweet for the Chargers, even though they got Dean Spanos and no fans and Anthony Lynn gets fired, that's a good job. So really, unlike where history and money in college football, Michigan, Ohio State, state, Penn State, USC, Oregon, Florida, LSU, Bama, Georgia, like Texas, Oklahoma. We say the same 10 freaking programs every time we list programs you'd want to work for. In the NFL, Seattle sucked my entire life. Then they got Russell Wilson, and now they're good. And now they're like a marquee franchise.
Starting point is 00:42:16 You know, you watch some of these shows. I was watching something, was a documentary, was it Ron Wolf Football Life or show on the Packers, maybe I was reading an article. You forget, you don't forget if you're younger, because I don't. The Packers were awful in the 80s, terrible. And Ron Wolf gets the job, he trades for Brett Farv, and from Brett Farv to Aaron Rogers, they've had a dominant, basically 30 years. But if you ask the Packer fan what the 80s were like, they would laugh at you.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Like if you ask a 50-year-old Packer fan, right? So I think, like, the Niners job, like if you go, John, what was it like? growing up. I'd be like, well, the Niners were my team. They were stacked. And then I went to college and they became a joke. And then at one point in time, Pete Carroll turned down the Niners to stay at USC. So I think a lot of college coaches turn down NFL jobs if they're not in good position to, you know, in good position to have a quarterback. Get right to the romance and find the way to wow this Valentine's with 1-800flowers.com. From classic roses and bouquets to decadent chocolate-covered berries, gourmet treats, and more.
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Starting point is 00:44:55 Love the podcast and going strong. Maybe make this a segment, but who would be your top five Super Bowl matchups be from any team of any year? Use current rules, for example, undefeated Patriots, first 2013 Seahawks, 81 bears, I think you mean 85 bears, versus 19 chiefs,
Starting point is 00:45:11 winner score matchup MVP for each matchup. Did I already answer this question? Maybe I did manually. I would say the best teams of my life, like the Giants team that beat the 07 Patriots, was not better than the Patriots. They just matched up better. O-7 Patriots were unreal.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Really, the Denver Bronco team that got knocked out by the Ravens was pretty unreal, too. They ended up winning the Super Bowl like four years later. Seattle team was really good. This Chiefs team was really good. The 85 Bears, I mean, I was one years old. They clearly were unreal. Some of those late 80s, early 90s, early 90s, giants and Redskins teams, the 94-49ers.
Starting point is 00:45:51 One of those Packer teams with Farve was, freaking stacked. Some of those Pittsburgh Steeler teams of the late 2000s were unreal with Ben and that defense. I would say the best team in my lifetime. I'm a little biased would probably be the 94-9ers. You could also say like the 92 or 93 Cowboys. I think those teams still to this day would kick the shit out of most of the teams in the last 20 years. I mean, they had pro bowlers at every position.
Starting point is 00:46:18 They had Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean, the Cowboys had Jimmy Johnson. Bill Walsh was gone. but the Niners were so good. Cowboys are so good. And then they got, you know, they kind of traded off on Dion Sanders and 94 to 95.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I put those teams, and even that Farr team with Reggie White, was Dorsey Levens, you know, the Chumura, the offensive line, the defensive line, that they were just stacked. I think the 90s,
Starting point is 00:46:44 you watched a lot of that Jordan documentary. I go, yeah, I take the Jordan Bulls against, like, any team of the last, like, 30 years. I think Jack and Co. Kobe would be hard because Shaq, they don't have a matchup for inside with like Longley and, you know, Winnington. But I think in football, like, I would take those 90s teams against like 80 teams the last 20 years. Like, who's the best Patriot team? It's always hard. Like,
Starting point is 00:47:06 who's the best Patriot team in the last 20 years? You know, you'd say they had some really good teams over the last decade. But were they as good as the first, you know, go-round? The first go-round was much more defensive heavy, right? You know, with Rabel, Brucey, Richard Seymour, they had Asante, they got Rodney Harrison, they were just unreal on defense. Offensively, you know, they were always like, you know, they didn't have, part of that getting Randy Moss and West Walker
Starting point is 00:47:34 was like they never really had sweet wide receivers. And Tom, by the second Super Bowl, Tom was really good, but Tom was not like 07 to 2018, Tom. So I think it's hard to kind of play that game. The Breeze Super Bowl team was really good. crazy thing some of the niner team that lost the ravens i thought was pretty unreal with cavernic so that's that's a good exercise maybe for another time between saquin barckekekekeke and zeke elli who do you think will have a better season also
Starting point is 00:48:05 if you could buy a call or a put on either back who would you do and why it's a good question i would say the thing with zeke is you know what you're going to get but they're their wide receivers are really good. And when you look at the coach, like he likes to throw the ball. Look at Aaron Rogers when he had McCarthy in their peak years, like they will throw the football. So I would say they're going to try to take pressure off Zeeke
Starting point is 00:48:33 and they got C.D. Lamb now. They pay to Marry Cooper. They got Gallup. Jarwin's a good tight end. Like, I think they're going to be a pass heavy team. And they're going to rely on Zique to run out the clock and win games. But Seekwan Barclay is a more complete running back. He's a bigger freak show.
Starting point is 00:48:48 He's more likely to bust off like Zique's, you know, lost a little speed because he's a powerback. Sequin at any moment can bust out at 80, 70-yard run. That's something Zeeke just doesn't have in the bag. So I'd say from a fantasy perspective, I would take Seqwan. Now, from a buy whatever, the Giants are going to stink. They have a coach who's a special team or special team's coach from New England. Seems like an impressive guy, but Jason Garrett's our offensive coordinator.
Starting point is 00:49:17 So I just, it's hard to try. trust Sequin in the offense. Like, are they going to be that good? You know, could they just be terrible? I don't know. Love the pod and your theme music is easily the best opening. Can't take any credit for that. What do you think about the Derek Henry
Starting point is 00:49:36 $4, $50 million contract? There was a lot of talk about him getting franchise tag and possibly hitting the free market. Do you think the contract is comparable to what he'd get on the open market? Where does Derek Henry stack up the other running backs in your opinion? That's a good question. I kind of talked about that earlier.
Starting point is 00:49:50 relative to other running backs. Like if you could just draft from scratch, I think Sequin would probably be my number one overall pick. He's basically like an LT, but really fast. You know, his home run hitting speed is just so special. Think how shitty the Giants have been. Kamara, I would take Kamara. I would take Christian McCaffrey over Henry.
Starting point is 00:50:16 But now granted, what the Tennessee Titans need out of them I mean, he's pretty damn good, man. I'd say he's a top five, six back. And, yeah, I'd say he would have got on the open market somewhere between 20 and 25. So I'd say he got properly paid. To me, the guaranteed money's huge because you're not tied to him for four seasons.
Starting point is 00:50:36 You're tied to him for two. To me, that's the number one key. Is you can be fluid, you're not stuck. And to me, that's always the key with a franchise tag. is can I, or I mean with a long-term contract. If you get injured or you decline, am I in trouble? Are you dead weight?
Starting point is 00:50:59 And I just see, you know, the next two years, like he's in the peak of his powers. Now, if he gets hurt, that's just, that could happen to any player. But if he just maintain, I think they're going to be in pretty good shape. Athlete contract question. Why don't player sign up for percentages rather than set in stone numbers? For example, if Pat Mahomes had a 10-year 20 or 25% of the salary cap deal, it would allow him to make more money if the cap booms. I don't think teams offer that.
Starting point is 00:51:29 And, you know, it's like, well, just say no to any contract offer. Well, that's great in theory. What happens when the chiefs go, hey, Pat? We'll give you a 10-year extension at $480 million. It's like, but I need 20%. Well, I'm offering you a contract right now that guarantees you $170 million if your leg falls off tomorrow, and more than likely, if you just play out the next six or seven years, you're going to be worth $400 million.
Starting point is 00:51:57 Million. I also think when you do the 20 to 25% of the cap, you do hurt your team's ability to pay other players. And that was one of the Patrick Mahomes thing. I'm going to pay you so much money where you're in a good space, you're in a good spot, you can feel great because you're going to be insanely wealthy and we're going to take care of the other guys, C.C. Chris Jones. So I actually give Pat Mahomes a lot of credit. Like, if you're going to do a deal like that,
Starting point is 00:52:22 you can make it easier in the sense of you give him so much money, he doesn't even worry about the percentages. Why do you think so many people think the Cowboys will be a really good team? All I hear is that they're going to be one of the best teams in the league, but in a sport where no team gets credit
Starting point is 00:52:37 until they actually do something, it seems the opposite for the Cowboys. They have done nothing. Am I missing something? Also, I know someone the other week told you to check out Rugby League, time check out the AFL, probably seen McAfee talk about it. I need to check that out.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Let's talk about the Cowboys. I think it's more based on that their roster is really talented. And they still have a solid offensive line. They got Zique, they got DAC, they got multiple wide receivers. I mean, Amari is a really, really good too. Tad bit overpaid but he's a good player. C.D. Lamb,
Starting point is 00:53:09 many people thought was the best wide receiver. Gallup's a good player. They have a good defensive line. They have two good linebackers. They did lose the dude Jones to go to Miami, but, you know, if your pass rush is good, you can overcome that. I think a lot of people blame Jason Garrett. Like if they had Kyle Shanahan, if they had a Sean McVeigh,
Starting point is 00:53:27 if they had a Sean Payton, if they had an Andy Reid, if they had a Bill Belichick, they would have been in the playoffs every year the last couple years. So I think really it's that. Because their talent is there. It's the coach that most people think stink. What are your thoughts on Trey Lance, the North Dakota state quarterback?
Starting point is 00:53:46 I didn't watch very many North Dakota State games last year, but I've heard a lot of hype around him and have watched some of his highlights, and he looks really good. Do you think he has potential to be the best quarterback in the class? I have not watched a snap. You know, he was going to play week one to Oregon. That would have been a huge game for him.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Now that game is canceled because the Pac-12 is only doing conference games. You know, I don't watch a small school guy until he gets like, I would have paid attention to him this year. Like, I didn't watch Josh Allen until the year we heard a bunch of hype and then I watched him and he stunk. Now, I think this guy, his numbers are insane. And he comes from a program that produced Carson Went. So I think when you hear Daniel Jeremiah say he's the most talented player in this class,
Starting point is 00:54:24 like he ain't lying. But I have not watched him on tape. Who knows, like, at that level, are they even going to play? He's going to be a fascinating guy to watch because what if his season gets canceled? Does he go pro? Would he be the number one draft pick based off one season out of small school? You know, he's never lost the game as a starter. He redshirted and then ran the table.
Starting point is 00:54:48 I don't think they lost the game. They definitely won the national championship. His stats were stupid. Yeah, I think he's an interesting guy. I was looking forward to watching him this fall. Now, I might not have a chance. It makes me sad just saying that out loud. Pro Football Talks Mike Floreo reports players
Starting point is 00:55:07 who test positive will place on the COVID-19 list for three weeks. Yeah, that's, I guess, Mike Floreo tweeted this out July 16th. Yeah, that would be something interesting to watch. If that's the case, I mean, the NBA is less, is 14 days. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,
Starting point is 00:55:31 and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions,
Starting point is 00:55:46 the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the high, From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsClyce on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.
Starting point is 00:56:15 Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you're just so. y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. So, you're finishing that sentence. And yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
Starting point is 00:57:14 wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing,
Starting point is 00:57:35 we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it, and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns. Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth?
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Starting point is 00:58:14 Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.
Starting point is 00:58:34 What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Or, you know, the PGA Golf is if you go back-to-back days of testing negative, like if you test positive and then you go to quarantine and you keep testing all the time and then you test back-to-back days of being negative, you're allowed to come back. So to me three weeks seems pretty strong. What happens if Patrick Mahomes gets Corona? He has to miss three weeks? What if he has no symptoms and is testing negative 10 days later? He can't come back?
Starting point is 00:59:20 That's probably something they're arguing over right now. I mean, we've seen a lot of these stories over the last week. They've been going back and forth. They're trying to figure out these protocols. It's something we've been talking about here on the show. I say we, like I got a crew. You guys are my crew. Is that these protocols need to get figured out.
Starting point is 00:59:35 And they're really complicated. Because if I was a player, I would not sign off on three weeks. That's bullshit. I'm watching these other leagues. They don't make you go three weeks. If I'm testing negative, I want to play. Now, I'm all four, like, you test positive. You got to go away.
Starting point is 00:59:47 You got to quarantine. But then if I keep testing and if I'm asymptomatic and negative, like I get to play. And if I go on the list, does a team still have to pay me? It does get kind of complicated. Love the pod and your work. What's your take on the Washington Post reports,
Starting point is 01:00:03 sexual misconduct of executives at the Redskins? Was there anything that seemed wrong when you were in Philadelphia? Seems every industry has their issue, some form or another, keep up the good work. Yeah, I touched on that earlier. In my experience, I've never seen anything like that. I've never heard of a scout, which was basically two scouts,
Starting point is 01:00:23 and the play-by-play guy were just scumbacks. Everyone I worked with, might not always agree with everything they did, but I didn't think I worked with any people that were, like, putting women in uncomfortable spots. As a hardcore Ravens fan, I noticed that you don't seem all in love with Lamar Jackson. If you were the Ravens GM, what would you do in order to remand contender
Starting point is 01:00:50 and maybe win a couple championships in the next several years? I don't not like the Lamar Jackson. Let me state that. I didn't like him coming out. I have nothing but respect for how much he's improved the last two years. I just wonder, can he sustain playing like this for a decade? History would say you cannot. You have to be a thrower.
Starting point is 01:01:08 You can run for a while, but Michael Vick got hurt. And I think that's his close at comp. Now, I think Lamar is more complete player than Michael Vick at the same age, but you need to get to a point where you run as like a defensive. you don't run as a main part of your game. Now the Ravens run their offense through his legs, so I don't blame Lamar for not running, but for them to make the next step
Starting point is 01:01:32 and for them to contend and for them to win, they're going to need him to throw the ball and be a dominant thrower. If they can do that, then they've got a chance to win championships. If he can throw, and I mean consistently throw on third down against good teams at a high level, they can beat anybody because their defense is awesome and they got a ton of offensive skill guys.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Their team stacked. Like the biggest difference between them and the Chiefs are, because you could argue the Ravens' offense, or I mean, roster is better than the Chiefs. They got Patrick Mahomes. And on 3rd and 10, he's going to light your ass up. Lamar won't right now. Can't?
Starting point is 01:02:08 Now can he get to that point? I would imagine he's been working all offseason on that fact. But to me, if he can become a consistent thrower against good teams, especially in the playoffs, when it's hard and they know it's coming, he can beat man coverage, beat zone coverage. He can beat every different quarter one, you know, or quarters, cover one, cover two, cover three, different, you know, blitz packages. They're going to throw everything at
Starting point is 01:02:33 him. If he can do that, then he's got a chance to be great, you know, and I think that's his question mark. Like, Mahomes can't. You can throw anything in Mahomes. He'll throw seeds between your zone, between your man, he'll eat you alive and spit you out. If Lamar can get to at that level. The league, I mean, he won the MVP without being able to do that. I think how scary that is. What grows in the forest? Trees? Sure.
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Starting point is 01:04:50 and that's all he could do at Alabama. He mastered that bad boy. He would go through progressions like Tom Brady would go through progressions. It was really incredible to watch. And then he was really, really accurate, pinpoint accurate, threw a beautiful deep ball. I mean, Russell Wilson level deep ball accuracy. My questions are, he's been hurt.
Starting point is 01:05:10 He's not that big. So he's going to get rattled, you know, when I say rattled, like hit, you know, in the pros. Can his body hold up one? And two, his teammates in college weren't just good. they were elite. He had two wide receivers get drafted in the top 15 this year. He is going to have two wide receivers at Alabama next year draft in the top 15. He's going to have, he played with four wide receivers that are going to end up getting drafted potentially like the top 14, right? When Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy went a little 14, 15 to the Broncos. Just think about that.
Starting point is 01:05:47 And he played with like Irv Smith Jr. I mean, he's played with the best players don't demand. in college. That's not the case for the Miami Dolphins. So can he make guys better? And I think he did make guys better in college, but those guys were already dominant, dominant players. I mean, when he showed up, Calvin Ridley Jr. was on the team. By the time he left, he had Devonte Smith,
Starting point is 01:06:10 he had Waddle, he had Judy and Rugs. You could argue that the wide-receiving core he played with last year, one through four, is the greatest college wide-receiving room in the history of sport. Now, I don't know if they're going to become that in the pros, but while they were in college, they were unstoppable. Because when you look at Alabama last year, weren't a great running team.
Starting point is 01:06:33 They were elite throwing the football. They could not be stopped. Of course they couldn't. They had four first rounders, not just four first rounders, four borderline top ten picks. All that wide receiver. So that to me is just, you just never know.
Starting point is 01:06:48 What's he going to look like when he plays with average guys, undrafted free agents. It's going to be difficult. What is your setup for your podcast? What mic do you use? What program do you record on? Love the pod. Gave it five stars in a great review.
Starting point is 01:07:02 I appreciate it, Troy. I use... What I do is I have an Apple computer. I record everything on garage band. I have a Zoom, which is like an external recording device. I plug a USB cord into my computer
Starting point is 01:07:21 that then has a cord. that plugs into the Zoom. I have an auxiliary mic that you would see like a host on like a TV show use that plugs into that zoom. Then I'm able to record and I have like headphones that plug into the Zoom.
Starting point is 01:07:36 So everything goes through the Zoom into the computer and the device I use is on is GarageBan that comes with Apple. And I think if you go to a lot of podcasts, I know like Tim Ferriss and guys, they have YouTube's on what
Starting point is 01:07:50 the equipment they have and they use. It's pretty easy. Now it's kind of expensive. You know, I bought three or four years ago. I just got a new computer. That was a couple grand. The Zoom, I think, is like $4,500.
Starting point is 01:08:05 The mic and stuff isn't that cheap. So it's basically just the computer and the Zoom are expensive. If you have that, you know, you can put a podcast together. What a difference offensive coordinator this, with a different offensive coordinator this season for the Vikings, do you think they need to make resigning Dalvin Cook a priority to compliment Kirk Cousins and a little? order to be successful? Or do you think Madison, who averaged about the same yards per attempt,
Starting point is 01:08:26 much cheaper clip, help them for at least the next couple years? I love that kid. The Boise State backup running back. I think it gets complicated because Dalvin Cook under no circumstances is signing Derek Henry's deal. He's going to want Zeke. He's going to want Christian McCaffrey money. And he already has a torn ACL. You already have a backup. I think you just write it out. You don't pay them. Now is he going to hold out? We'll see. But I struggle to pay him. And I like Dalvin Cook. He's one of my favorite players to watch. But he's such a physical back. Take such a
Starting point is 01:08:58 pounding. Can he hold up? You already have a really good backup. I think was Dalvin Cook missed a game last year? He just gets banged up because he was such a physical guy. He might have missed multiple games last year. Yeah, I think it's a tough dilemma. You know, the Titans didn't have a choice. I think the Vikings,
Starting point is 01:09:16 what if Madison can just be like a stud running back? I think it was a third rounder, right? So, you just never know. It's also why you take the BPA best player available, because you never know when you're going to let a guy walk in free agency. Absolutely love the pod. You're doing great work. Appreciate it. I have a quick question for you about the Chicago Bears. I'm a die-hurt fan, but I'm a realist with the acquisition of Nick Foles. I think there's no reason why the Chicago can't go 10 and 6 with the defense we have and make the playoffs. But let's say they would have a disastrous
Starting point is 01:09:44 season. Would you as a GM field offers for Kille Mack instead of paying him for a star player on a losing team? With his talent, I think we could still get a first rounder for him and then draft one of the top prospects in the upcoming draft next year. Thanks again. Yeah, I mean, I would, you lose, you think of everything. So I think as long as you, if you're winning, you could argue if you're winning or losing, the thing with the NFL, everything is always on the table.
Starting point is 01:10:11 Everything is always on the table. You would be negligent to not, you know, listen and think about every option to improve your team because you're simply not doing the job if you don't explore all your options. So I think, yeah, if the Bears went 5 and 11, they would have to contemplate what to do with Killeelmaq. You know, they just would. He's really expensive.
Starting point is 01:10:34 He's still really good. Could you get a first rounder for him? I think you probably still could. Maybe you couldn't. I don't know. It just depends how his season went. But, I mean, that's a pretty big hypothetical. Let's just see.
Starting point is 01:10:47 I mean, the Bears won. If you don't count week 17 when they played, I think the Vikings, and the Vikings already had a playoff. wrapped up and it didn't matter. They were 7 and 8. So they were a 7 and 8 team with arguably the worst quarterback in the league
Starting point is 01:10:59 in Mr. Biskey. If you just get average quarterback play instead of being 7 and 8, they're probably 7 and 8's 15, so they're probably 9 and 6. Right? It's just that simple. Quarterback play is that important
Starting point is 01:11:14 and Mr. Bisky was that terrible. Appreciate everyone listening. Have a great weekend. Stay safe. Enjoy the sun. little golf, go to the pool, and enjoy your families. And I will talk to y'all next week. Adios!
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