The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Kenny Pickett Tiny Hands, Malik Willis Rising, Combine, Standouts, Eagles H-O-R-S-E Test, Amari Pay Cut, Trade Kyler, Russ Trade Talk

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

John dive into the NFL Combine, including if Kenny Pickett's baby hands are a red flag or an overblown media creation, Malik Willis is the most intriguing prospect in the draft, and some of the standouts from the week. He also discusses the latest on Lamar Jackson's contract talks, why the Eagles playing H-O-R-S-E with draft prospects isn't as ridiculous as it sounds, why the Cowboys want Amari Cooper to take a pay cut, if the Cardinals should explore trading Kyler Murray, how a Russell Wilson trade could have a silver lining for Seattle, and the importance of having a media savvy GM in today's environment.Follow John and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and updates and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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March 3rd. It's about 7 o'clock at night. This is the latest I've ever. I haven't recorded any. So it's all going at night because I've been watching the NFL Combine for the last five hours. I have not moved from my desk beside to walk downstairs to grab my DoorDash, which was a yummy burrito. But other than that, I have been consuming the living you know what out of the NFL Combine. And we got a big show today, a lot of stuff on the NFL.

I watched a ton of GM press conferences this week, wrote down a lot of different things that I saw. But I'm going to start with some takes on Kenny Pickett, which I think. think was a story of the day, Malik Willis, some of the Ohio State wide receivers, and then we will cover the NFL as we always do, which obviously this is the NFL, but I mean the draft prospects. At John Middlecoff is my Instagram page. Slide up into those direct messages. Get your question answered on the Friday podcast.

We're moving it to the weekend. So the Middlekoff mailbag is going to take place on the weekend. That's how we do it here. So that's just the offseason. It's just an easy one. And I like to give a little weekend content, you know, just a quick 20 minutes for anyone that needs something to listen to. Some of us, you know, go on walks, work out, take our kids to do stuff. And, you know, you need a little content in your ear.

So I'm trying to provide that for you. You don't thank me. Just thank me through listening. And I appreciate everyone. And yeah, let's dive into the combine. Okay. The story of the day, at least on Thursday. Because any time there is a big quarterback prospect.

and Kenny Pickett, the quarterback from Pittsburgh, who I think, you know, boards are fluid right now. But when the final boards are set, I think he'll be the number one quarterback for the majority of NFL teams. Now, Malik Willis, if you watch the Combine, you know, he's built like a running back, but he has a massive arm.

He's like, I texted a buddy that's sitting, you know, in his team's box. I'm like, this guy's like Debo of quarterbacks because he looks like, he doesn't look like a quarterback, but he has a cannon. and he's definitely going to be number one on some boards, but he's a project. Kenny Pickett is much more in the Mac Jones camp in terms of plug and play, right?

And here's the thing, and I say this all the time about the draft. The draft is a marketplace. It is an economic exercise. How does the real estate market work? If you're going to sell your house and you tell me, hey, John, I got three bedrooms, three baths, 2,700 square feet, why I'd go, look around your neighborhood. You want to price it? What are the other homes in your neighborhood that have similar square footage and similar rooms and baths selling for?

And you go, well, this one sold for 800 grand a month ago. I'd say, well, price it $8.25. Let it rip. Now, the difference between real estate and the NFL is real estate is based on recent comps. No one cares what things were selling for five years ago. Right. In the NFL, this is an analytical exercise is what the combine is. and when you get your hands measured

and it measures in it eight and a half, that is a massive red flag. And the media tells me that you gotta believe in analytics, you gotta believe in analytics and the NFL has gotten much more into analytics. And then I saw the media today on social media. Why do we care about hand size?

Why do we care about hand size? You cannot have it both ways. That's not possible. If you believe in analytics, you have to red flag the small hands. because when you look at Kenny Pickett's comps, you go, well, who else in the NFL at quarterback is playing with eight and a half inch hands?

And the answer is nobody. And you go, okay, how many players, when's the last time a player with eight and a half inch hands has been in the NFL? It's been half a decade. Has there been any good players with eight and a half inch hands? And the answer is one. And his name was Michael Vick.

Well, here's what I know about Michael Vick. he has nothing in common with Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett has an average arm. Michael Vic had a hose. Michael Vic was an elite athlete. Kenny Pickett's a solid athlete. But those Michael Vic and Kenny Pickett as players, they don't parallel each other.

Michael Vic was an anomaly even back then. So the guys with small hands that are playing in the league right now, there's three starting quarterbacks that have the smallest that skew the smallest with their hand size. It's Jared Goff, it's Ryan Tannyhill, and it's Joe Burrow. And they have nine-inch hands. and let's face it, when those guys were coming out, it was a concern. Now, Gough and Burrell went number one overall.

So it's not a make or break thing. But if you're telling me to believe in analytics and the NFL has trended much more toward analytics with progressive younger general managers, I'm telling you right now, this guy is going to drop in the draft. This is a major red flag to analytical people. This is a number that is going to stick out like a sore thumb. I tweeted this during the draft when, because DJ said before the second group of wide receiver, I mean the combine, when the second group of wide receivers was about to run, he said, Rich, I think this has a chance to be the fastest group of wide receivers we've ever seen.

And dudes were running four threes and four fours and alave ran a four two. Some other guy ran a four, two, five, two. And if you're fast, you should always run at the combine. Because fast guys run fast. and when that magnet is up in the draft room, it's hard to overlook. It's hard to see 425 and not be intrigued. Right?

It's hard when you're looking at a house and you see 4,000 square feet, you're like, oh, let's look at this one. It is a number that jumps out to you. And those wide receivers all help themselves. Desmond Ritter today helped himself. Ran a 4-49. Now, I don't love Desmond Ritter.

Now, granted, I've only watched him play a couple times. I know he was productive. I just, and I thought, Rich or someone on the broadcast said that a scout compared him to Dak Prescott. Well, I'm not the biggest Dak Prescott guy. But when Desmond Ritter ran a 4-49 today, he helped himself out. That is a really good time at quarterback. That is something where you go, how many quarterbacks in the NFL are running 4-49? And you bring up the list, it's going to be some talented guys that are running fast, right?

The Kyler Murray's of the world. That's a good thing. You can overcome average arm strength when you're in. an elite athlete. Well, Kenny Pickett, and you can tell me he played at Pitt, and he put up really good numbers, and I think he's a solid player. But historically, before this quote-unquote quarterback inflation, a guy like Kenny Pickett, do you know where he's going in the draft?

Probably in the third round. I would struggle to take him in the first round. And I'm telling you, the analytical group of general managers, and that is the new wave of these guys, are going to dock this guy. So you can't have it both ways. And the media loves having their cake and eating it too. Because everyone I saw on Twitter, like, why does anyone care? Will you tell me nonstop to believe in the numbers?

Go for it on fourth down. Well, it's no different with the hand size. There has never, there's been one successful guy in the history of the league with eight and a half inch hands. And his name's Michael fucking Vic. Sorry, Kenny Pickett. Like, it's a problem. Now, he has a lot of other things going for him. He was a productive player.

He's smart. He's a high character guy. All that stuff. So he's got, there's pros and cons. But, you know, the comp, when Trevor Lawrence was coming out, who was his comp? It was Andrew Luck. Right? When Kyler Murray was coming out, who was his cop?

Russell Wilson. Kenny Pickett's comp is like, you know, he's kind of Mack Jonesy. And he's got some all-hands? I don't know, man. I'm just telling you, the NFL people are not going to love that. And then on the flip side, Malik Willis, who is clearly a physical talent, right? He looks like a running back linebacker. He throws, he's got a massive arm.

I mean, they were throwing these go routes. He was just throwing bombs. This guy's going to intrigue people. But for every project we find, right, for every Josh Allen type project, Trey Lance is a big project, not all these guys are going to work. Some of these guys are going to fail.

I don't care how good your coaching is. Like, it's just not every project is going to become a star. So he's going to be a fascinating case. Because ultimately, you know, he's going to go in the top 50 picks. And we take someone in the top 50 picks, even if he gets to sit his first year there's just pressure on you to eventually play

so I'm intrigued to watch whoever takes him he's going to be a guy you know everything you saw that video that went viral the day of him like giving a hat to a homeless guy and it wasn't like a cheesy thing like he had no clue who was being filmed the person was like across the street in a coffee shop

but yeah I think he's a fascinating prospect I really do and if I had a good infrastructure if I was a GM and I had a good quarterback coach. If I had an older quarterback, I would want a guy like that to mold. If I was the Atlanta Falcons, you know, if I was the Carolina Panthers, even if I

could use Sam Donald one more year and use this guy to mold, to me, he falls under that category. If Desmond Ritter, like I said, I mean, Dak Prescott, and then those two Ohio statewide receivers, I mean, one guy ran a 4-2-6. I asked one executive, I'm like, him or rugs coming out.

One guy said rugs for sure, and the other said that a lobby was a better overall player. Well, Henry Ruggs went 12th. Right? So Alave, you run a 4-2-6, like, he's going in the top 20. And his teammate, who is the better player and who DJs comping to Justin Jefferson, like Garrett Wilson's probably going to go in the top 10. He runs a 4-3-7? Like, it's not a great draft. I take Garrett Wilson in the top 10. Now, you could argue because there are so many wide receivers, take a guy in the second round, take a lineman. And that's fine. I would always probably lean lineman before I took a wide receiver, because

You can get A.J. Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Debo, Samuel, Deshawn Jackson. We've seen a million sweet wide receivers going the second round historically, right? So you don't have to take a wide receiver early. But when you think you can get a guy who's a big impact guy, it is hard to pick, not pick him when there is another, when there isn't like, when you're like, I like this lineman. I don't love this lineman. I love Garrett Wilson. And the whole talk of the draft is why you have to balance not forcing need. So it's,

tonight was cool. You know, tonight was fun to watch the wide receivers and quarterbacks. And Kenny Pickin, I'm just telling you, it's a story. And it's not going to go away. And Twitter can act like it doesn't matter.

We just can't pretend, like the Combine matters. All these numbers matter. All the measurements matter. All the testing matters. There's a reason you do it. These people aren't just in Indianapolis for shits and giggles. It's fun.

This isn't a vacation. This is what they're there for to figure this out. And, you know, eight and a half is just small. Okay, where do we want to start? Rap sheet talked about Lamar Jackson's contract. And I think a lot of people get consumed with like, a guy's got a sign, a guy's got a sign. We always do this.

This guy's got a sign. Lamar, he said that Lamar Jackson might be okay, playing this year and his fifth year option and then going the franchise tag route and then becoming a true free agent. Because knowing the Baltimore, Ravens are not going to want to franchise them, right? Because it's such a huge cap head. So if he could play out this year, have a Pro Bowl type season, he will if he's healthy,

he'll be fine. Everyone tries to tell other people what to do. If Lamar Jackson is comfortable playing on the fifth year option, play on the fifth year option. What is wrong with that? I know a lot of people in the NFL, because when you're a coach or a scout, you know, a lot of times like you'll be on a two-year contract or a three-year contract. And then after the first year or the second year, they want to roll it over. So you just back to on a two-year contract. They're always kind of in control of you. And at first, when you're young and new into business, you just automatically do it because safety, security. And then the older you get, you realize, like sometimes they start blocking you. You have other teams that want you. And you realize, man, I don't want to do this.

I want to play it out. I want to bet on my. myself. I will always support people betting on themselves. Now, it's also a little different because he's his own agent. So some people argue, does he know what he's doing? Is he doing the right thing? I just know if, you know, if he's comfortable with it, it's Lamar Jackson's decision. I just can't wait to watch him play. I'm someone that was not a big fan of him. And I wrote this on Twitter. I think I mentioned this earlier. Lamar Jackson's mistake at the Combine is that he did not run the 40. Because if Lamar Jackson had ran the 40, there is no way on God's Green Earth that he falls to 32. I've been in these draft rooms. All these magnets on the wall. When there's

a magnet with a guy that runs 428 or 431, it's just hard for them to stay there very long. And he had some flaws. But there is, we've all watched Lamar Jackson play. If he ran a 40, he's running 426. So he just would have probably ended up going in the top 20. And he just would have made more money on this initial contract. Now, at the end of the day, it worked out for me. He ended up on the Ravens, a really good team, and he's in a good spot. But just something to think about. Covington, Mosvidal, the rivalry will be renewed this Saturday night. Fandul's sportsbook, making things even more exciting. This is awesome. Offering new customers 30 to one odds on either fighter. Covington or Mosvidal. That's right. You can win 150 bucks on a $5 bet.

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Nick Siriani kind of got crushed for playing rock paper scissors. And he mentioned in his press conference that he kind of got made fun of for that. But he's like, I'm not, this is, whether it's cheesy or not, I'm trying to gain some sort of advantage when I'm around a guy,

i.e. all these players that are coming through. Every single guy that comes through, I just want, if we can gain 2% more of knowledge of his competitive nature, that is a win for me and us. And so this year, he brought a mini hoop. And the first thing you do when you walk into their room, and the way it works at the combine is they're like, it's like connected to this railroad. If you've never been to Indianapolis, you know, it's a smaller city, still relatively big, but it's all connected by these ups, you know, there are all these, you know, connected bridges that like humans walk through. It's like a huge convention town. And you never have to go outside,

no matter what hotel you're staying at. And it all leads, you ultimately can walk all the way to the stadium. And next to the stadium is this hotel that has railroad cars for hotel rooms. It's where the players stay. So all the players that come, they stay in these railroad cars.

And, you know, like a, like it's just like a stretch. of train. And it's all broken down individually into rooms. And in those rooms, there are like meeting rooms. And you put all the teams there.

So the players just walk out of the room and they go team to team. So you walk into this meeting room and you meet with the Patriots, you meet with the Eagles, you meet with whatever. And when you meet with the Eagles, they have a mini hoop.

And the first thing they ask you to do is play horse, basically, best of five, you know, or best of who can hit the first five shots, you versus Siriani. And Siriani gave this example of when Gardner Minchu

came to the Colts and in the Colts facility they must have you know a basket a normal NBA level 10 foot hoop and he said we played horse

and I beat him the first time and Minchu was pissed and he was in a suit and he's like he ripped off his suit and tie he's like can I go shirtless so I can play you a round two

and Sirianni's like sure and he's like I could tell this guy kind of wanted it and he's like a couple years later look I go to Howie I'm like I want to help

get him on our team So you can gain these knowledge. Like, yeah, is rock, paper, scissors kind of stupid? Or shooting on the mini hoop kind of stupid. But here's what I did take away from that. I do respect doing anything humanly possible to gain. Is this guy competitive? Because ultimately, once the season starts, you're all in a bunker together.

And does the guy have competitive nature like he's George Kittle? Or does he have a competitive nature like he's Kyler Murray and just kind of over it? Are you ready to go to war with this guy? like he is Tom Brady or you know Mike Evans or you know

Jason Kelsey or Travis Kelsey are you going to get one of those guys like Amari Cooper like yeah I'm kind of too cool for school I'm not really into it right now because the ultimate goal of this sport is obviously to win Super Bowls but is to win playoff games

and to win big games and you need to find out about that and let's face it there is no way that you perfectly can find out about it you won't truly know You can study the film, you can scout the college, you can ask all the questions of people at the university. But until you're around the guy, especially at that level, once you start getting paid, you never know until you got them. So you should do everything humanly possible to uncover every single rock to find out, is this guy a war daddy?

Can I go to battle with this guy? Will this guy go to battle with me? Will this guy not tap out? And I respect it. It's a little unconventional. It's a little cheesy. But sometimes, you know, if you have to be cheesy to gain an advantage in your industry, shit, I'll be cheesy right now.

I'll say something cheesy if it'll get me 50,000 more listeners. You know, I don't care. And I understand it. Because I didn't really understand the rock, paper, scissors. But when I heard him talk about it in the mini hoop, I was like, okay, I kind of get it. I definitely kind of get it. Another story this week is on Amari Cooper. And I was around Amari Cooper when he came to the radio.

and I was a huge Amari Cooper fan out of Alabama. Who wasn't? Fantastic Routrunner. Productive player. Very talented. But there's just something with him that leaves you wanting more. It feels in a weird way for a guy that's very productive like he's an underachiever. And all the stories out of the combine is they're going to trade him or they're going to cut him.

If he will not take a pay cut. They're not paying him $20 million a year. And I understand if you're Stephen and you're Jerry and you're, and you're Mike McCarthy and you just, you know, this season, they were really good and coming down the stretch. Sometimes it feels like Amari Cooper's not really that into it.

And it's hard, if you're paying Amari Cooper $12 million, who cares? He's good enough that you don't worry about it. But when you start paying him premium dollars and you play in these big games and you feel like, you know, is he all in? Can we go to quote-unquote football war with this guy?

Because if we can't, then, you know, we need to use this money. We need to allocate these resources somewhere else. I was listening to Howie this week and he had a good point. He's like, every single team here has the same amount of resources. We just choose to allocate them differently. Right. Obviously, coming into like the Rams no longer have picks, the Eagles have three picks,

but everyone starts at the same baseline. The Rams just chose to allocate their resources. Two picks for Matt Stafford. Two picks for Jalen Ramsey. The Eagles chose to trade back. the draft and accumulate more picks. Every single team has the same amount of money to spend on the salary count. You can choose

to pay Amari Cooper $20 million. You can choose to pay Matt Safford, $45 million. You can choose to do whatever you want with your resources. But don't get it twisted. Every team in the league has the same exact resources. The reason the Giants have two picks is because the Bears

chose last year to use another first round pick to go up and get Justin Fields. Now, ultimately, you're judged on how you allocate those resources. And that, to me, is the most fascinating time, a part of this time of year. How are you going to allocate your free agent resources? How you're going to allocate your draft resources?

And, you know, the best GMs separate themselves when they're doing that. Look at Dave Gettleman. As you, I don't know if you saw today, but Sequin Barclay is on the block. And the going rate right now for Seekwan Barclay is a fourth round pick. Now, granted, he got hurt. And he has not been the same since. Right. But they use the number two overall pick on a running back. Number two overall pick on a running back.

And now his going rate, whatever, four years later, or three years later, four years later, three years later, is a fourth round pick. Because part of it is like, well, he's going to be up for a contract soon. He's not even that good anymore. Like, that is poor. That is a very, very poor job of allocating resources. That is dumb. That is bad business. That's stupidity.

It's like when the Jaguars took and Leonard Fournett became a good player on the bucks. They use a fourth overall pick on the guy. Like, you can't do that. That's, that's dumb organizations for smart organizations. And, you know, Amari Cooper, I give the Cowboys credit like,

hey man, we're not paying you $20 million. That's not going to fly. Now with that, you know, lazy fair effort. But that's who Amari Cooper is. I mean, it's part of why Gruden, you know, he's a weird player. I like him, but I don't.

Arizona They obviously extended Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kime I don't think they really had a choice They were just I mean what are they going to do I mean I would have You could have justified firing them

But I think an underrated part about being an NFL owner The last thing in a million years You want to do if you don't have to Like the Giants had no choice Right the Jags had no choice Certain teams have no choice But you know the Cardinals

Ultimately won 11 games You don't want to go on a coaching search and a GM search. Do you know what a pain in the ass that is? We talk about the draft being a 50-50 proposition, right? You just, you never truly know until you get them. Imagine what coaching and general manager hiring is. You know, I think this guy interviewed great.

I think this guy's going to be a great head coach. And then he bombs. That happens all the time. So if you're an owner and you feel comfortable, you're like, you know, I trust these guys, especially Steve Kime, you know, I just, I feel comfortable with him as my general manager. It's easy to lean on the side.

Yeah, I'll just extend them. At least the status quo, you know, we're competitive. I've seen this team when I was young and my dad and the franchise be a joke. I get it. But I would also say to those guys, I would entertain trading Kyler Murray. I would short Kyler Murray because we know the Washington football team has called every single team in the league.

I don't blame them. The Washington football team is desperate. You know, it's weird because right now no one works. I'm fascinated by all these people that didn't go back to work, which I'm all for. Like, if you leave a job you hate, even if it was forced because of COVID or you got sent home, you know, right to work from home and you realize you hate the job, I've been there, done that. I went on and started my own thing.

I have nothing by respect for anyone that wants to do that. But obviously not every single person can be an entrepreneur, right? Eventually, some of these people got to go back to work. What are all these people doing? I know when I was out of work the first time when I got fired in the NFL, I spent like three months, just super desperate. calling, emailing, doing everything humanly possible to try to get jobs in like three different industries. Right? I was just relentless. I was desperate. You know, that kind of feels like the

football team right now. They got no quarterback. They have no hope in sight of getting a quarterback. There are no quarterbacks in this draft and they just feel desperate. So they're calling every single team. It's like, oh, they called the chiefs about my homes. Rivera was with Andy Reid at the Madden thing. Like, I doubt that was as serious as it sounds, but I wouldn't put it bad. them, you know, they did have a weird end of the season. But what are they supposed to do? Just not call anybody, keep their fingers crossed. You might as well. You got nothing, you got nothing to lose. It's like when you don't have a job, you got nothing to lose. You got to do something. You eventually got to pay the bills. Like Ron Rivera eventually

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But if I get three ones and two-toes, knowing that the Washington football team would pay Kyler Murray and almost like shorting Kyler Murray. You see his attitude. She's not that into it. that was when he was trying to get paid. That was his attitude. Now you pay him. Maybe he won't even care. Maybe the football team will win six, seven games.

All of a sudden, you're getting good picks. And Kingsbury, with his spread offense, could you win with Marcus Marriota? I would be asking myself that right now. Because now I got some job security. And clearly the owner is not that big on him. I would be entertaining that move. Because you know the football team.

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John Gruden was run out of Tampa. It was a disaster. Couldn't have gotten any worse. And he quit coaching, went to Monday Night Football, and all of a sudden, probably five years into Monday Night Football, every single team for the next five years trying to hire them. Colleges, pro teams, teams were doing everything humanly possible to get their hands on John Gruden.

Even though if you just peel back the onion and you look, what was it like as a coach, not as a broadcaster, Like, he was not good at the end in Tampa. Yet everyone forgot about it. Every single person. Hell, even I kind of did. I was like, I'd hire Gruden. Shit, I'd hire Gruden.

Shit, Tennessee, USC, the Colts, the Raiders. Gruden's going to kick ass, take names. Then he comes back and it feels like, you know, John Gruden was pretty overhyped. John Gruden was definitely overhyped. I remember thinking, like, we're going to get the offensive version of Bill Parcells, and it was nothing like that.

It was, for the most part, a disaster. And I'm not even talking about before we got, fired or whatever. I'm just talking about the on-the-field product, his moves, his is just team. It underwhelmed. It really did. And I think Mitch Trubisky, who we literally watched

for four years on the Chicago Bears is just not that good at football. And I saw Brandon Bean, who had a really good press conference. And he was asked about him. And he brought up his character. And he basically said, like,

you know, I'd let my, and this is a, you know, scouting term like, you know, they say they'd, everyone in the program says he's a type guy, you'd want your daughter to marry. When someone says that, he's a type guy you want your daughter to marry. That's just like premium character, right? That's just like high level salt of the earth doesn't get any better as a human being. And everyone's like, Ms. Trubisky. No one ever questioned Mr. Trubisky's character. Mr. Trubisky was known as a good, high level guy. I know, obviously new people in Chicago. They love the guy. His work ethic, how hard he tried,

he did not fail from lack of effort, lack of trying, lack of character. He failed because his physical tools, he's not an accurate passer. He's not a natural thrower of the ball. He doesn't have accurate touch on basic NFL routes

between certain coverages. He's just not a very good quarterback. And I do think he found his role as like a $3, $4 million backup. Yet there are people on social media and the buzz of the combine is like, there might be a market for Mr. Bisckey to be a starting quarterback.

If Mr. Bisckey is your starting quarterback in 2022, your team is not going to be very good. Mainly because he's not very good. At playing quarterback, he's a good guy, he's good in press conferences,

he's good in the whole thing. He's just not a very good player, which is normal. There aren't a lot of good quarterbacks. He actually is much more normal than an outlier. The outliers are Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Deshawn Watson, right?

Those Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers. Those guys are outliers. Most quarterbacks that come in the NFL are Ms. Trubisky. Not very good. There's nothing wrong with that. And Mitch could have a 10-year career making $4, 5 million. He could rack up another $50 million. He goes to start.

The worst thing you can do when you're a backup quarterback is play. Because the moment you start playing, you get exposed. And the moment you get exposed, the quicker we run you out of the league. Because, you know, people like me, we start talking shit about you in the sense if you're not good enough, obviously what I say doesn't necessarily matter,

but I mean, all the fans know, definitely the GMs and definitely the coaches know. Chase Daniel never has to play. That's how he keeps cashing them checks. He doesn't get all the field. He's smart. He avoids the hard part of the position, aka playing.

He just studies, good teammate, mentors. It's a good move. I saw John Snyder. You see, a lot of these GMs and coaches, they talk at the main press conference at the Combine, and then they also, but anyone can go to that. But then they also throw their guys a bone,

like they will go to just, they gather all the local guys, and they kind of go off the side, and they just kind of get into the nitty-gritty. And I saw John Snyder did that with the Seattle guys. And one of the Seattle guys asked them about Russell Wilson and the trade. And John just kind of said, Anytime a rumor comes out, like last year when the rumor came out about the four teams, my phone blows up.

This year, the trade deadline, my phone blows up. Obviously, the start of this off season, my phone blows up. I'm not calling anybody, but they're all calling me. And he's like, you know, I have to listen. It's my job, but we don't intend on trading them. If Russell Wilson wants to get traded, I've been saying this over and over and over again. All he has to put out the bad signal. I want out.

I think they'll trade them. they keep saying they don't want to trade him and they don't. Because as of right now, he hasn't said he doesn't want to be there. But if he forces his way out, I do think these guys would be open to move him just because they're kind of tired of the drama. Now, is that the right football move? No.

Can they ever improve on Russell? No. But if he comes out and has a distinct NBA level, I do not want to play here, the offers they would get would be stupid. I mean, I think the Eagles would offer him three first round picks this year,

one next year, a two, and Jalen Hertz. You can reset your entire franchise. And if you're John Snyder, you plan on being there for another decade. So it's kind of in Russell's hands. Because clearly the league thinks something weird is going on. Because he didn't say anything in this trade deadline. And John said his phone started blowing up on the trade deadline. It's just a bizarre situation to watch.

And I also, I've been saying forever, like, it's hard to trade the best player in the history of franchise. I agree. But if I'm John and he just makes it like, bro, I do not want to be here anymore. I'm not going to resign here long term. And you can get some sweet offers of like four first round picks and a two and just a quarterback to hold you over.

It would cross my mind. The last but not least, just watching a lot of these general manager press conferences, one thing is key or clear in this league, which I think is very key just moving forward. And I think most basketball, baseball have done this too. You need general, like the day and age of Meathead GMs, They can't handle press conferences.

Can't be good spokesman for your team. Same goes for coaches. It's kind of done. You know, listen, Belichick doesn't speak in press conferences because he doesn't care. It's not because he's not smart and articulate. You have to be able to get up in front of a press conference

and represent the team. Now more than ever. With social media, with the power of YouTube. And I saw so many general managers, especially a lot of the young guys, they could just get up there and hold their own. They were comfortable.

I thought the Giants guy is really impressive. for a guy, you know, who's like my age, like 36, 37 years old, first time GM and just gets up there and kind of can hold court. You know, it's just like, you know, this is what you want. And this is what they did not have with Dave Gettleman.

You know, you have to, you know, not even necessarily, quote unquote, look the part, but you got to be able to handle the part. And a lot of these questions are coming fast and furious. All the questions are on your quarterback and moves. And you got to be able to be personable, but also like balance, the cliches to not give too much, but also kind of give the media enough where they're not

on your back. You know, and I just, I thought a lot of these guys, you know, maybe it's just going to be a younger generation. We've grown up just watching more of this. We just know what matters, probably now more than ever. I just think that a lot of the new age general managers are going to be much more equipped because forever, a large part of my life, like in the 90s or the 2000s, sometimes a guy would get a job and he'd have no shot he couldn't communicate you get him in front of the press

you'd put a camera in front of it and it was like what the hell is this and maybe he was a good coach maybe he was schematically pretty good but he couldn't communicate maybe communicate with his players or not but if you can't communicate with your fans

the people literally paying for everything even if you're not giving them that much you're going to get run out of town quicker so the better you can be in front of a microphone And again, the bar is not that high. You don't need to be Bill Parcells, you know. And you don't, but you can't be Bill Belichick.

Like, that is never going to happen again. That's not going to be allowed. Because there's never going to be a coach that won six Super Bowls. Like, that's over. He could act like that. One, he's from a completely different generation. And then by the time everything changed with, you know, social media and just press conferences and the importance of him, he had so much equity, it didn't matter.

But you can't act like that now. Those days are done. And I bet sometimes these GMs don't want to, you know, always talk or part of it is you got to play the game a little bit. It's like I'm critical of Brandon Staley because I think he plays the game too hard. But I think because I think he knows what he's doing because he's a smart guy. I actually watched him a little bit with Pat McAfee and it was like he was, I felt like he was talking normally. I'm like Staley, why don't you talk like this normally? And part of it is, I bet Pat is just much part of when you're in front of the Big Jays, you know you can play the Big Jays like a fiddle.

you know, it's so predictable what they'll eat up and what they'll love and what they'll hate. So you can just play him like a fiddle and he does. But he was with Pat and he just acted like a normal guy. It was the first time I ever saw him like, Brand Stanley can just not be a robot. It was like, you know, if Russell Wilson could just talk like Tom Brady, like, oh, he's just talking like a normal guy. But Russell can't. Brandon, I think I saw a glimpse. I was like, oh, I think I actually might kind of like this version.

But then I saw him with Shreger, he's a little cheesy. But that was NFL Network because he knows, you know, a lot more people. Well, actually, I mean, a lot of people are watching McAfee, too, but it's a lot of dudes and bros. You know, NFL Network maybe he thinks it's a different crowd. But, so there's a balance of it. But I do think that that's something that's very, very important to the, obviously the owners and the team presidents. I need a good spokesman because we're always selling. This is such a big business.

If you turn on CNBC in the morning, you know, depending on the, day, obviously the last couple weeks has been like war stuff with Ukraine, but in normal times, they have on just different CEOs of different companies, right? Anyone listening to this is in the finance world, like, I tell you, CNBC, like laughing me, you guys watch Bloomberg TV or whatever. I'm not, you know, I'm just, it's like a little background noise, keep a basic my finances, and they'll have on CEOs. And sometimes they'll be a CEO and you're just like, God, this guy is not very good on the camera, which is just not ideal. You just want to get the guy leading, your company, whether it's, you know, the boss, whether it's the head coach, whether it's the

GM, they can just handle themselves, right, in front of a camera. And no one's looking for perfection. You don't need to have some, you know, you don't need to be Sean McVeigh, be able to host a podcast. And, you know, he's the best case, or Tomlin, but you do need to have some shit to you. You do need to be able to, like, crack a couple jokes. Like, does Andy love doing press conferences? Probably not. You know, but does he understand, you know, it's part of the game. And does he know how to throw a couple zingers to keep everyone laughing and enjoy it? Yes. It's not that complicated.

And luckily, like I said, I think the NFL is lush with a lot of these guys, especially the younger crew of getting these GMs, they'd get it. And like I said, the analytical movement of all these GMs and all these young guys, all these measurements and times and broad jumps, that is analytics. So when you see a guy had a 40-inch version, or a 20 inch vert or whatever, any of these things that they're doing that has a, you know, a quantitative, you know, a number next to the,

to the activity, right? Vert, broad jump, 40, three cone, whatever. That is analytics. And that is used to comp everything. No different than the real estate and the square footage. And I just don't, I don't understand why people don't get that. And I, you know, listen to Daniel,

Jeremiah's podcast the last couple weeks. There's obviously there was an attack on the combine. Like people wanted to, you know, basically cancel the combine. The combine has a lot of value. Like it is valuable to watch Garrett Wilson be the best wide receiver on the field in a loaded wide receiver draft. It's valuable to watch Carson Strong, who's kind of a throwback quarterback from Nevada that can't really move, have a massive arm and see that in person. If you and I, let's say are prospects at the universe. University of Washington. And we're second, third round.

I'm a DB and you're a wide receiver. And we have our pro day. And the pro day is about to happen. Well, there might be four other pro days going on that day. Ohio State may have one. Florida might have one. And TechS A&M might have one. I'm not going to get every decision maker at my pro day.

I don't even care if I'm in Alabama or Ohio State. Now, I'm going to get more at those. But regardless, it's going to be spread out. and some guys don't travel. It's just, it's hectic time. The Combine is literally the one time when every single GM and every single head coach,

beside McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan, are there. Every single one. And every scout, every assistant GM, they're all sitting there watching you work out. Have you ever interviewed? You know,

if you want to interview, you'd be like, who do you want to interview? The boss? The guy making the decision? Any salespeople listening to this? Like, who do they teach?

you to go to. The gatekeeper, the decision makers, you never want to talk to someone that's not a decision maker. Why? Because you're wasting your time. That's why you always butter up the gatekeeper, right? Which any, all you guys that recommended dopesick, you know, if you want to get to the doctor to sell them that oxycott and you got to go through the secretary. So you, you know, give her some flowers. You give her a manny petty. You take care of her. That's business one-on-one. If you want to get to someone with a secretary, you butter up the secretary. Or, I mean, you got to go through the gatekeeper. And that's usually the gatekeeper. right well decision makers right there is no gatekeeper if i'm you know a player and trying to get

a hold of mike tomlin like i got to call the office go my tomlman's sitting there watching me play or run around name me a better interview in the history of america than what happens at the combine they already know you they already have the information and then they get to watch you work out sounds like a pretty good gig to me sounds like a pretty good deal people always talk shit about the combine and listen is it a little i also think props to Roger Goodell. Put that thing at night? I mean, what a genius move.

Is there a chance of the NFL Combine is going to outrate the NBA games tonight? Because I think there is. I would imagine that the NFL Combine in primetime is going to do an outrageous rating. When you just factor it in, it's people running around in shorts and T-shirts.

Think about that. If a couple million people watch people run around shorts and T-shirts, the power of the NFL is just really is mind-blowing. If it gets like 100,000, then maybe I'm just a nerd and I was watching it

with not many people. But I doubt that's the case. I would expect this number. We'll see if it gets Brooklyn, Miami Heat. What did they combine or Brooklyn Miami Heat? What event had more eyeballs? Fascinated to watch. Appreciate everyone listening,

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