The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Mahomes/Kelce All-Bros; Rodgers/Packers Bottom Line; NIL Winners and Losers

Episode Date: July 13, 2021

In this episode, John is back from a brief break and ready to go! He dives into the special off-field connection between Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce, the bottom line for Aaron Rodgers after his disgruntled offseason, and his thoughts on the NIL floodgates opening in college sports. Follow John on Twitter and SUBSCRIBE now to get all the latest content!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're back. Three and Out podcast, John Middlecopf, that'd be me. Just wanted to let everyone know I'm going back on vacation for a couple weeks. Just kidding. We're going to try to get through these couple weeks until training camp, which is right around the corner. I think a lot of teams report within the next, you know, two, two and a half weeks. So we're almost there. We just got to climb through the mud and the muck and get there.

Luckily, it's not very far away. And we've passed the Fourth of July mark. Obviously, we're almost the middle of the July. So we'll get football games going, you know, in early August. I guess I'm happy to be back. I think you know that you're on to something. Then when you go somewhere for a while, you look at property, you're planning on moving there and you come back, you're like, I want to go back.

I don't want to be here anymore. So that's a good sign. It had a lot of fun. It was warm. I like the warmth. I mean, I can hang out in 110 degrees all day long, play golf. It doesn't faze me. I will take that over the cold any day.

I'll never forget in Philadelphia, the first game I ever went to when I worked for the Eagles in the winter. You obviously have to wear a suit to the game, which is kind of stupid, unless you're the GM. But you show up, wearing a suit. and you realize in 12, 15, 20 degrees, there's a reason all these people in the northeast, they wear those overcoats. I had never heard of those out here on the West Coast. Didn't have one stood on the sideline for about two hours.

I think I froze. So I don't do the cold, like the heat. I used to like snow skiing, but I like driving there. It's why we have Lake Tahoe, which will lead me to the first thing I'll talk about. Something I noticed watching the Celebrity Golf Tournament. Obviously, Aaron Rogers is still in the news.

Something that happened, I guess, since I've been gone, that NIL, some thoughts on there. I need everyone to leave some Middlecoff mailbags. Ad John Middlecoff is the Instagram. Leave a Middilcoff mailbag, and I'll get to you because I've basically blown through them all. And leave a review. If you listen through Collins' feed,

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Now, that doesn't mean you can't be in a business partnership where you are not friends, you are just business. acquaintances and you can make a lot of money and be very profitable and have a lot of success. I think some relationships, right, you know, there are better relationships than others when we talk about marriage, right? Some people are just closer than others. That doesn't mean you can't be great parents. That doesn't mean you can provide a great life for your kids, but you don't truly like each other as much as some other people. I think the more powerful relationships are typically when you are very, very close, personally, as well as professionally, or or, you know, in your significant other, obviously, it's personal.

But it becomes professional because ultimately you guys have jobs or one works and money gets involved, especially with children. I've noticed this for years. These two guys are connected at the hip. And just because you play with each other in team sports, like I would say in high school, people are pretty close. In college, I didn't play college football, but I was around it at Fresno State. I do think there's a relatively close-knit bond.

Having been in the NFL, I don't think there are, you know, there are friends on the team, but it's very, very hit or miss. You do not need to be the best friend if you're a wide receiver with your quarterback. The right guard and the right tackle. The running back and the tight end. The defensive linemen and the safety.

It doesn't really matter, right? I think in the history of professional sports, it works in basketball and it works in baseball, you can hate the other guys. guts and still be very, very good at your job as a team and get along very well. Back to business, I think it works a lot. People that aren't great friends make a ton of cash. But I think the relationship, again, you have to have the talent in pro sports, right, just to make it there. So you have to have special qualities on the field. But if you have those and then you are really, really close,

I do think the sky is the limit. And Patrick Mahone, and Travis Kelsey have now gone the last couple years to the American Century Golf Tournament, and it's like they're attached at the hip. And whenever I turn on, oh my God, there's an NBA finals game. Those two are sitting there. Oh my God, it's Augusta. Those two guys are there. They go everywhere together.

Now, Mahomes is clearly one of the most talented quarterbacks we've ever seen. Kelsey is, I mean, he's going to go down potentially as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, past catching tight end ever. And think about the team that he plays for. Before it had the greatest past catching tight end ever in Tony Gonzalez. But their relationship, their close-knit relationship

is clearly pretty special. And you don't get it that often. Right? I saw it firsthand with the Warriors. Like Steph, Clay, and Drayman are very, very close. Kevin Durant did not really fit in that ecosystem. He did because he was a great talent, but he never truly was like in the group. And once he left, they're like, see ya.

Obviously they would have wanted to keep him. But he was always an outsider. Like what Travis and Patrick have, they're the two best players on what really has been for three straight years, the best team in the league. I know they've only won one Super Bowl out of the three, but, you know, they were an offsides away

from winning it two years ago. Their tackles went down. I mean, Tampa deserved to be the champion. But they're an elite, elite team. And their bond and their relationship is clearly special. And you can't convince me that what they have going does not, those two guys specifically does not lead directly to their success on the field. Like I said, Mahomes has to be able to make the throws.

Kelsey has to be able to get open. And clearly, Mahomes can make every throw known to man. Kelsey can get open on any corner on any safety with pretty much ease. But because of those guys' chemistry, because of how much they like each other, It clearly leads to something pretty special. And I think the Chiefs, and listen, they have an elite head coach, like they have a good infrastructure, they have a talented team around them, they are set up to succeed.

If those guys didn't like each other, they would probably still be really successful. Hell, they still would probably be Super Bowl champs a year ago, probably have made the Super Bowl. But I think there is something when you watch them, why I think we would all agree the Chiefs are probably consistently the best watch in the league over the last handful of years ever since Mahomes began. playing. And I think part of it is like the joy in which those two play with. And go back to the Warriors, like part of what makes them special and part of why in a league that struggles to get

people to watch now relative to the amount of people that used to watch, the one team when they've been fully healthy that truly moved the needle was the Warriors. Because as a consumer, we know. We're not dumb. We know when we watch how special it is. Remember some of those Brett Farve teams in the 90s is like, God, these guys are pretty fucking. close. Again, they had Brett Farf, one of the greatest all-time quarterbacks. But it was like, yeah, they got something special going on. Some of those 49er teams before, like, I guess when I was born in the 80s, those guys are still friends and still live in this area. So I don't really have much other to say that ultimately it's pretty cool to see two Hall of Famers on an elite team be that

close and generally like each other. Because we've seen great duos like Derek Jeter and Alex Stardriguez hated each other's guts. One story that happened when I was gone was like Scotty Pippin, talking a bunch of smack against Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. Like when I was growing up, those guys were like my heroes. I thought they were all boys. Turns out Scotty hates them all. He just can't stand any of him.

It's like, damn, Scotty, they actually weren't that close. They just had a business relationship. And it was very, very lucrative and successful. But this one, I think you're going to see these guys like, it wouldn't shock me one day. Mahomes introduces Kelsey to the Hall of Fame. Kelsey introduces Mahomes. And there is...

Mahomes is a unique player. I think there's something special about the Kelsey's. I texted a buddy with the chiefs. I'm like, God, Travis Kelsey is owning this American century, and he's a terrible golfer. And he's like, clearly one of the stars. And his response was pretty simple. Swagger will take you a long way in life.

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I was listening to Colin over the last couple weeks and he was talking about Aaron Rogers and he brought up because everyone was just like openly mocking the potential divorce. People at the match. They did it this weekend

at the American Century Golf Tournament. The SPs did a big thing. And typically when you go through a divorce like people don't mock you and make fun of you. I think, you know, if you get to a certain age in life, and hell, I mean, some of us, you know, it happens to our parents, but we have friends, we have family members that go through them. In my experience of knowing people that have gone through divorces,

they're pretty ugly. And they are emotionally draining and they, you know, could borderline destroy people's lives. Definitely children's lives. I mean, it's hard. It is really, really difficult. And whatever the quote unquote divorce at the Packers and Aaron Rogers are going to be,

going through is not that crazy. It's clearly not as explosive as we once thought. Because one, if this was truly a power play and something that was going to happen, I don't know if Rogers would have participated in all these public events. Because typically when you see a star athlete demand a trade, they don't do like a car wash of events. Now, unique set of circumstances, right? Tom Brady, Phil Mickelson, invite him to do the match. he always plays in the Tahoe tournament,

which I would imagine any athlete that goes to Tahoe for the first time, like I'm lucky. I grew up going to Lake Tahoe. But if you're not from Northern California, there's a chance. If you're from the East Coast, if you're from the South, you may have never gone.

And some of these professional athletes come for the first time. They're like, wait, you have this incredible lake. You have casinos, and you can kind of do whatever you want. And I get to play golf every day. I'm there. There's a reason, Charles, Barclay's been going for 40 years. There's a reason Justin Timberlake comes every year. Mahomes and Kelsey, like I just mentioned, they're now like three years in a row.

Derek Carr went for the first year. He said right after, he's like, I'll be back next year. Everyone comes back. You'd be crazy not to. It's paradise up there. You've never been to Lake Tahoe. I can't recommend it enough. Find a way to get there in the summer. It's, it's awesome. It really is special. And so the Rogers thing, like, if he was going through this contentious divorce, Brady and Mickelson just wouldn't be openly making fun of them. Now, clearly, Brady and Phil Mickelson, at this point in their

lives, one guy's 44, the other guy's 50, they both have a combined net worth of probably a billion dollars. They have zero, they don't care about anything. They're not worrying about offended. They're not offending people. They're not worried about the PC police. They're not worried about anything. They are living high on the hog. But if

they knew that this was a sensitive situation, I think they probably would have beat around the bush. and then you're watching the ACC and it's like they're interviewing Travis Kelsey and he's like making fun of it openly like he's gonna end up on the Rams because of Sean McVeigh who rhymes with Juvenile's real name

which is you know it's just like this is a joke to everybody and I think we are at the point in time where we can acknowledge because like everyone else I was of the mindset that when the story broke like this is pretty serious Aaron's really pissed

and then you watch him he's kind of just surly Aaron Rogers. You know, he's not, he's not Mr. Happy. He's not Mr. Bundle of Joy. But listen, everyone has their own personality. Not everyone has to be Tom Brady. Not everyone has to be Patrick Mahomes. Some guys like being mad.

And listen, I don't necessarily recommend it. But if that's you, like people always try to tell other people to act differently. Like, worry about yourself. One thing we've learned the last 15 months, how about we start worrying about ourselves? Let's just, you worry about you, I worry about me, and we just kind of go from there. and I try to think about that in life too like stop worrying this guy's mad this guy's happy you don't want to be around him don't be around him

Aaron's personality at this point in time in his life he's rich he's successful it ain't changing but don't you know an old dog doesn't learn new tricks like it's only going to get worse probably as he gets older in terms of just that he just kind of feels sometimes

like not the happiest camper in the room which is fine it's just he's just being true to who he is I also think he's acknowledged a simple fact he's stuck he's stuck. It makes absolutely zero sense for the Green Bay Packers to trade him.

Absolutely zero. It couldn't make any less sense. They have a Super Bowl level roster. He's not just the best player on their team. He's arguably the best player in the league. They're not going to trade him under no circumstances. And listen, money talk, shitwalks. He has so much money on the line this year.

What's he going to do? Sit out? It makes $35, $37 million. $35 plus million dollars. If you're listening to this and you're rich, let's say you make seven figures. Even you are probably like, that's a lot of money. Because you are absolutely loaded if you make a million dollars a year.

Unless you live in like L.A., San Francisco or Manhattan. Then, you know, you're like upper middle class. But if you live in normal places, you are living as high on the hog as most people in your community and richer in probably 99.9% of people. people. And that he's making 30. Think about that. You think a guy, I don't care how much money you're worth. No one gives up that type cash. Now, if his salary this year was $2 million, I'd be like, well, you know, if he's really pissed off, he's already worth $100 plus million,

who cares? But for that type money, he's playing. And he knows he's stuck. And I've said this from the jump. You are sneaky, you know, when when the story came out about Deshawn Watson, story, just like, what's going on with him? We just not going to see him all year? That's kind of what I think. But that Deshawn Watson hated the owner or whatever. Deshawn Watson never has to see the owner. If you don't want to, you can never see him, you can never talk to him.

And the owner can just avoid you. The Packers don't have an owner. Okay, so he doesn't like the general manager. For whatever reason, that is still a little uncertain, Goudicans can just avoid him for the health of the team. Now, what sucks is this is not an easy spot for LaFleur. he's going to have to manage this situation because the one,

the only negative for the Packers of getting Aaron Rogers back is I think he will be the ultimate I don't give a shit about anything and just kind of say whatever he feels. And he kind of did it little by little last year but he kind of picked his spots. I think this year he'd be liable to say anything

at any moment on any press conference he won't care. Which at the end of the day, if that's the worst thing you have to deal with, you'll just deal with it. But LaFleur is going to have to have. to deal with it because as the head coach, you speak three times a week, and you're going to get asked non-stop about it. But I've seen a lot of this floating around on the internet. I think it's fair to say,

he'll basically just acknowledge this will be his last year on the Packers, and then he'll get a fresh start next year, which again, if I'm the Packers and he has a great season because it would, I mean, it's in his best interest to play well and to try to win, right? And to get, you know, that's just, that's a smart thing to do. You also have pride as an athlete, any human being. You want to be as good as you can at your craft, which I'm sure he will. But, like, what if he is really good again?

What if he takes you to Super Bowl? You're just going to trade him? I just, I don't even think you can think like that if you're the Packers. You just think you're at a time. If we got to kiss his ass, we've got to make him promises next year, we'll do it. Another story that was like Derek Carr, Devante Adams is going to be a free agent next year,

and Derek's like, I want to play with him. It's my best friend. Here's the problem. Like, you think in one-off season, the Green Bay Packers are going to trade Aaron Rogers and let Devante Adams walk in free agency? Like, if this was the NBA, it would be a huge story. Devante Adams is going to be a free agent.

This is a national football league. Do you know what the Green Bay Packers? They've already done? They franchised them. So whether Aaron Rogers is traded next year or he comes back, Devante Adams, I will promise you this. Now, I don't know if Devante,

they'll probably offer him extensions this offseason and he might say no. He's not going to go anywhere. because that you're going to get rid of your best player, not Aaron Rogers. Just let him hit free agency. When does that ever happen? Hint, it never does. So like, unless they completely blow it up, which would be borderline career suicide,

you get rid of Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams in one off season? I mean, if I was a Packer fan, just thinking about that thought, I'd throw up in my mouth. I would be furious. You cannot do that. So they're in a complicated situation, but I don't think you can worry about it. I think he just focus on training camp and I think it's pretty clear like Aaron Rogers You know now in fairness all these stories leaked he didn't specifically say anything besides he didn't exactly Claim that it didn't happen that he hates Goudicans and hates the organization whatever

Maybe he's admitted that he was disrespected he just didn't give us details In some ways you're gonna have to kind of tuck his tail between his legs and just show up now we would all show up for that type money Every single person listening unless you're really rich listening and even you I don't unless you're like Warren Buffett, $35 plus million, you're showing up, right? So I think if you're a Packer fan, you can somewhat take a deep breath. This was an exhausting saga, but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I will be shell-shocked if Rogers honestly isn't there the first day that maybe he'll skip a couple days to flex his muscles as like an FU to Goots.

But I think pretty early in training camp, Rogers will be under center and throwing passes at practice for the Green Bay Packers. Okay. Name, image, and like this. It's here to stay. And it has happened, I guess it became official when I was in Arizona. The reaction on social media, of course,

every media member acted like it was you know, the greatest thing since sliced bread. And I'm as pro business as anyone you'll find in sports media. Honestly, I skew so far. away from the sports media when it comes to money and business. I'm in a different stratosphere than 98% of them. That's why I linked up with Colin. He's the only one in my adult life that I ever like, I watch him and like, God, we think about things to say. It's why he ran circles

around most other people in the space. No one talked like that. He resonated with a completely different group. But I can't pretend to care that much. I didn't care when they didn't make any money and I don't really care that they're making money. Good for them. But it doesn't change my life, right but like you have to have takes on this and I do I have some thoughts and I wrote them down some different thoughts on this situation

and one thing that this has bothered me for a while and I'm not I wouldn't call myself a big UFC guy I'm a big event guy so the Conner fight I ordered it and historically I've watched them I've streamed them but I have a lot of admiration for the business model last year

when everyone shut down Dana came back first and every single sport followed suit. So, I want to support their business. Connor McGregor, who does not need my support, he made $180 million last year. I just gave them the support. I have no, I'm an adult, I'm a grown-up,

I have money, I pay the $70 to, you know, to buy the fight. But a big thing, and I read, you know, just keep tabs on the UFC and list some podcasts about it. One big controversial topic is like, the fighters are all getting screwed. Well, the top fighter made a hundred, $180 million last year. I'd imagine Dustin Porreier, who won the fight, made millions of dollars.

Now, the guy's under him, you know, on the undercard fighting, I think there were 12 or 13 fights. The majority of those fights, if Connor and Dustin fight was not happening, no one would give a shit. And someone like me and most people listening that paid for the fight, not in a million years would have paid for the fight. So like in pro sports, your backup shooting guard. It's hard to replace a good backup shooting guard.

Your right guard. Like, his value is kind of his value. You have to have him. The random fighters, like, they're pretty replaceable. Connor, not replaceable. Chuck Laidale, not replaceable. Dustin, you know, some of these high-end guys, Khabib, whoever, I don't even really know who Khabib is,

but the high-high-end guys, for you, UFC guys, the Pachiaws, the Mayweathers, the Tysons, the elite, they always make money. The random guys, I'm sorry, like, they don't have that, like they're not that important. They're not. There's a reason the random right guard makes 800 grand. And the star left tackle makes $20 million.

One guy's easier replaced than the other. It's just basic economics. So we act like all these players in the history of college sports have gotten screwed. That's not the case. The majority of them were properly compensated. Through a scholarship, through the fame, through the free education, because most people in college sports do not go pro.

Now, the guys that got screwed, the Tebos, the Reggie Bushes, the Johnny Mansells, 100%. The star gymnast, the Michael Phelps, those, fuck yeah. They got jipped. They should have been able to make big money. Now, we know in college basketball, and I know Jay Billis loves getting on his high horse, these guys are big...

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I just did a marketing advertising deal on my other podcast with Guy. And we just are going to get a lot more money through a company. Why? Because we had leverage. Another company in the space wanted us to go to them. And looking back, I probably could have just made it up and approached the deal and tried to get more money. But I didn't.

Like they came to me kind of out of the blue. We're like, damn, they're going to offer us more money. We go back to the other company. they don't want to lose us. But without the leverage, and I always thought this when I was younger, like when I first got to the Eagles, like, I should make more.

Or when I first got a radio job, like, I'm worth triple this. And you realize, well, if no one else is asking you to work for them, you're not. Your market value is your market value. So I think we're going to have a lot of kids that are going to think

they're going to be worse something, and they're just not, right? The star quarterback at Alabama is going to be worth something. The star player on the West Coast, for sure. The girls, whoever the most famous track after,

huge followings, those twins at Fresno State, they are going to generate a lot of money. But random volleyball player at Texas Tech is not going to make anything. Random slot receiver at Iowa State not really going to make anything. Maybe get some free swag or free merch. Good for them. You don't think they were getting that before? So awesome for the top guys. This move was mainly about the top guys.

And there are going to be some decisions in recruiting where some promises are made and it's going backfire. Because in college football, it's not like college basketball. When I get Zion, I know he's going to be Zion. But think how many times if you follow the draft do you see this guy gets drafted in the fifth round? And Mel Kuyper or Mayok over the years would be like, you know, he was the number one overall recruit coming out of high school. For every Trevor Lawrence, there are a lot of guys that never make it. So I would imagine these deals, they're going to be facilitated through the companies, through the programs to try to get people to sign with their schools. And I think some of these companies are ultimately going to get burned. If I was a company

or I was someone that was consulting these companies, I would say this, wait till the kids get to campus. You can see how good they are. And then once they're good, you compensate them. Because if they're not good, they're not very valuable. That's what Tebow became so valuable when he started kicking ass. Reggie Bush when he started kicking ass. All these guys. We all know the names of the last couple decades. But the overreaction is a little laughable. Someone DM me this and thought,

do you think this will help the scouting decisions? Like, do you think scouts will be able to be like, you know, I saw the guy, the quarterback from Miami, I think he actually tore his knee last year, King. Probably a bad example. But let's say he was healthy. And someone gave him $100,000. And I don't even want to use a name because it's not fair to him.

just use random player. It gets $100,000. And he doesn't, he kind of, the coaches tell you the scouts that come through, you know, he started acting big time. He didn't treat his teammates well. He just walked in like he was too cool for school. He had made it. And basically, people were asking me,

do you think that teams will go, well, he is not going to, you know, respond well to money? Because that's always a big question in the scouting community. When you go through a college, you're talking to their coordinators, you're talking to their academic advisors, you're talking to anyone,

and you ask them, how do you think this player will respond to millions of dollars? And you get various answers, but the reality is no one has any clue. There's not a soul in the room that knows how they're going to respond to millions of dollars. Why?

Because no one ever knows until you get millions of dollars. So, and also, let's say, let's just use a flat number, $100,000. If you had a number, me a $100,000 check right now at 36 years old, I would handle it pretty well, right? I mean, I get money like whatever through my deals or whatever. The money that I get, I can handle large sums of money very well, partly because I have a decade and a half of dealing with money coming in.

Now, it wasn't always as big as it is now, but I've learned to blow, not blow it, what to invest in, what to put my money in, what I want to, you know, homes to buy, whatever. my priorities have changed. If you had handed me a hundred grand at 20 years old, do you know what I would have done with the hundred grand at 20 years old? I would not have invested in the stock market. I would have not invested into a remodel. I would not have put it away in savings,

even though savings you could argue has never been more overrated with inflation, but that's another conversation. I would have blown it. I would have taken my buddies. We would have gone on vacation. I would have bought a car. before I knew it, the money probably would have been gone. So to judge any of these guys at 18, 19, 20 years old,

what they're going to do with money, I think it would kind of be unfair. And I think one thing that's going to be a learning process for the NFL is like understanding that kids are going to make mistakes. Because anyone listening to this, it's over like 20, I'd say late 20s, definitely in your 30s, if I hand you money and you have any sort of head on your shoulder, you do handle it dramatically better. because most of us, unlike pro athletes, we make more money as life goes on, right?

Most pro athletes, the majority, like it's hard to make $50 million, $100 million, $20 million, like they do in their 20s. You can't really be prepared for that. But you definitely cannot. It's the NFL and pro sports are equipped to at least help you.

In college, they're not, right? So these kids, they're going to be some things and some of these stories that are going to come out, like this guy blew it on this, this guy blew on that. It's kind of understandable. I would do that too. If you handed me 500 grand, let's say I was some star athlete or a million dollars,

who knows what I would buy? I definitely wouldn't be like, you know, let's check out the condo situation where I can invest, maybe buy a unit worth of four units to be able to rent out and net me X number of dollars. Who thinks like that? Nobody. Maybe some kids at Stanford. Most of these kids are going to buy maybe like, hey, I'll, but you want a car, I'll buy my buddy a car. Right?

Rolex is for my old line, which is not a dumb thing to do. But you just, you know what I'm saying? There are going to be some stories that are laughable. Why? Because young kids with a lot of money sometimes do some dumb shit. So I don't think that the NFL will be able to judge them correctly for a long period of time. And I think you're going to have to take that with a big time grand assault. It's like I learned like when you're scouting GPA, we didn't care about GPA in the NFL.

No one cares, right? Because learning football and learning in school are completely different things. I saw once Richard Branson flew to space, I just went to his his Wikipedia page. I started reading about him. And I guess they found out he had dyslexia. And I think a lot of millionaires have dyslexia.

I've read that in a study before. But like a teacher told him, like, in junior high, he was either going to end up in prisoner or become a millionaire because he was terrible at school. And I wasn't necessarily terrible at school just because I just, I had to, you know, I don't know, I cheated. I just would do everything possible to pass. But I hated school.

School wasn't really for me. And really, since I've left college, and even in college, nothing carries over from college academically to my life since. And I knew early on, like, I was not going to be doing anything that I was going to learn in school. Now, some people, if you're listening to, you're an accountant, you're a lawyer, a lot of things I've carry over. But a lot of jobs, like, there is no carry.

over. Like, if you want to be an actor and you're a business student, like, it's not really doing much for you. Do you want to be an entrepreneur, like being in some liberal studies major, isn't doing anything for you. Just like, you know, being in school, like, I've always supported when you talk to athletes, like, I didn't like going to school. Now, you've got to be careful because not every athlete is going to go to the pros. But the pros, like, if I'm Marshawn Lynch, why am I going to school? Matt Fitzpatrick, who's a golfer on the, on the PG, you know, on the PGA tour, really good player, young guy. He's from Ireland, and he's one of the elite young guys. Northwestern signed him out of, you know, high school. And he shows up at Northwestern.

And in his mind, he thought he was just going to go to college. All he'd have to do is play golf. Because obviously in Europe, you know, you don't have to go to school if you're a quote-unquote athlete. You just, a lot of those pro leagues. And he realized he had to go to school. He dropped out after a semester and went pro. you know, he's like, what am I doing? I'm a golfer. I'm not a student. So I just think you have to kind of know your value.

And that'll be interesting with, I don't know why I went off on this tangent, but my point, I guess, is that some of these players, like you do have to stay eligible to play football. And my last point is I think the programs that will embrace this in all the top, Sabin will, Dabo will have to, Oregon already is, will excel. and I think by the end, because this is what happens in any business, you either adapt or you die. So every single program that is full pedal down that is open-minded and willing to do everything possible to facilitate these deals are going to kill it early on. And some of these programs will push back a little bit and they'll get laughed.

But things just progress. That's always what happens. I got my second shot and I was stuck in bed a couple days ago. It was miserable. I mean, I was just like, this is, I've never felt, I mean, I have. I was sicker when I got food poisoning, but I had, I couldn't move. And so I just watched movies all day. I haven't done anything like that in years. And I watched Boogie Nights.

And I was just flipping through Netflix and Boogie Nights was on, I mean, it wasn't on. I clicked on it. And there was that part at the end of the movie where they tried to get Bert Reynolds to like realize, you know, tape cassettes are coming. It's not going to be the way the movies were in the 70s. and he like pushed back on it and he ended up, it went under. Couldn't keep up with the times. Like if you don't keep up with the times, you go under in any business. So it's no different in college football.

For like, if Alabama and Sabin push back and refuse to do this, this, they would get lapped. But I would imagine Nick's going to be the most open mind, Ohio State. The top programs are, they're not Texas, right? They understand what's at stake here. But there will be some old school programs and probably some old school coaches that are uncomfortable with this and they'll get hurt. But eventually, in three or four years, as this kind of plays out,

the top programs will be the top programs. The top players will make the most money. And the random guys won't really make any money. Like it's probably always been. It just now, the IRS knows about it. Appreciate everyone listening. Kept it short and sweet. Have a good week.

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