The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Maximizing Draft Value; Top 5 2020 Draft GM Jobs; McCaffrey Money; XFL Toast; Headlines; Mailbag

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

In this episode, Middlekauff discusses the art of GM's determining draft value, his top 5 GM jobs heading into the 2020 draft, why he thinks Christian McCaffrey is worth the money in his massive new d...eal, why he's not sold on Drew Brees as an announcer, the abrupt end of the XFL, and other headlines from around the league. He also answers listener questions in Middlekauff's Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:25 and something that it just really excites me, heading into a draft and then even on draft night. I also listed the top five general manager jobs going into just this year. So this draft, but leading into this fall, that I'm most intrigued to see. And that if I could put myself in these jobs, I listed them one through five, the ones that I'd want. Because I think they're in the best position is just to have a huge impact. And then I just chose a bunch of other topics, things that have happened over the last, when's the last time I talked to you? Friday, so Saturday, Sunday, and then even today on Monday.
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Starting point is 00:04:34 but let's start what I like most about the NFL draft. Like any person in their late 20s, early 30s, you get a little spare cash, and it doesn't even need to be much, a couple thousand bucks. You're like, what am I going to do with this money? My rent's paid, my food's paid.
Starting point is 00:04:49 You're like, you know, I like business. I went to business school. I'm going to start kind of sniffing around. You get some friends that maybe work in the financial world that you BS with over beers. Like, God, it sounds kind of cool, especially for those of us that like gambling on sports. You're like, well, I'm putting hundreds of dollars on
Starting point is 00:05:05 you know, random playoff series and golfers on major tournaments and, you know, Penn State to cover on a Saturday night, I might as well instead of putting some of that money diversify and bet on a company. And as Tony Robbins says, if you just bet on companies that you use every day, you're already proven that you believe in it. Hell, I got an Apple computer. I'm looking at an iPad and I got a phone. So what did I do a couple years ago? I invested in Apple, made some money. Pretty novel concept, not that difficult.
Starting point is 00:05:35 I like the stocks. And I actually think the draft is a lot like a stock market. Because I think we think when we say these players out loud, like Jerry Judy, he's just a lock to become a star. We all think he's going to be a good player. I don't know. I've seen a lot of players that we thought were going to be really good players. And they haven't become that.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Maybe he gets hurt. Maybe he goes the wrong situation. Who knows? We think every first round pick is going to be sweet. The reality is maybe half are. And then the reality is a much smaller percentage are actually impact players. There's a decent chance on draft night. Brandon Ayuk or Justin Jefferson is the best wide receiver out of the group.
Starting point is 00:06:18 And they might be the sixth or seventh wide receiver off the board. So the key on draft night is whoever you acquire, it's about paying the right price. Because right now, I'm a big Netflix guy and have been for a long time. And I bought in originally at $300. I took the money out a while ago when it was at like $350. It's now at like almost $400. I believe in Netflix. They've crushed it in the pandemic.
Starting point is 00:06:47 We're all watching a lot of Netflix. They are way ahead of every streaming service, even with added competition in Amazon Prime, Disney created one. They're still in great shape. They're the lead dog in the industry. They're going to crush for a long time. There's a chance that stock's $800 in 10 years.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Who knows? You could convince me Here's the thing though If you don't have a lot of cash Buying a $400 stock Like you're only gonna get Hell if you got $4,000 you're only getting 10 shares I'd much rather find a company that was worth $40
Starting point is 00:07:19 And buy 400 shares I think that mass right My point is the profit is in the buy Not the sell The key on draft night Is not overpaying for stuff Because all a draft slot is is whatever player you're taking there is that guy's value that slot.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Now, it takes two to tango. You can't always trade back. Listen, I hated the Raiders number four overall pick last year, taking Cleland Farrell at four. You cannot do that. Now, Mike Mayock has gone on record. I think Mike Mayock's already like a top 10 GM in the league. He said, well, listen, we wanted to trade back.
Starting point is 00:07:59 We just couldn't. We couldn't find a partner. I'd say, you know, that's fair. But I can't take a player at four let's just say four is worth $100. Let's just say I'm just making an even number. You bought a $50 player. So he's never going to have any trade value.
Starting point is 00:08:15 We saw a year in, he's terrible. So even if he gets solid, he's never going to be that great. You would have been better off taking a guy with a higher ceiling because, again, he might not be good either. But at least if he does hit, maybe a keep, maybe a trade, at least you got options in years to come. You've got to take Devin White, you've got to take a different player. Daniel Jones, who was taking six overall, again, hated the pick.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Not because I don't believe in taking your franchise quarterback high, but I believe a team that had two picks, they could have got the other player, or that player, at 17. Because Daniel Jones, I feel very confident to this day, though Dave Gettleman disagrees, they would have got him at 17. The one team that he had to worry about, team in his division in the Washington Redskins,
Starting point is 00:08:59 because the head coach, Jay Gruden, who's now fired, and the offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars, wanted him. but the reality is, in something that was public, we all knew. Daniel Snyder wanted Dwayne Haskins. Who's the quarterback of the Washington Redskins? Dwayne Haskins. Why? Because owners usually win the argument. So understanding value, you could have got Daniel Jones at 17.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Now, again, the deal was made. It's over. Daniel Jones is on the Giants, and instead, at 17, they have a nose tackle. Who? Dexter Lawrence is a good player. I don't like taking a no-stack on the first round, but that's an argument for a different day. I think when you look back, sometimes your favorite player in a draft, as a general manager, as a head coach,
Starting point is 00:09:42 whoever is in charge of your draft, might not be the guy you take in the first round. John Snyder's favorite player in the 2012 draft was clearly Russell Wilson. It was the player that he loved the most. He took him in the third round because he knew value. He could easily justify
Starting point is 00:10:01 I believe this guy is going to be our franchise quarterback. I'm going to take him at, I think they had the 15th pick that year. I think it might have been the year they took Bruce Irvin. Take Russell Wilson the first round. I love this guy. One of my favorite players I've ever scouted. I think he's going to be a stud. Take him at 15.
Starting point is 00:10:16 He would have been viewed as crazy at the time. Several years later, he would look like a genius. But it wasn't about that. It was about understanding that you could get Russell Wilson in the third round. Now, there's a risk. Guess what? There's a risk with everything. That's why the key is,
Starting point is 00:10:31 From really the Senior Bowl till now, you're just acquiring information. Where a guy is going to go. That is the entire key with the draft. Understanding the player that you want what his value is in the draft. Just because you love certain players, and if you love certain players, whatever team you are, you believe that guy's going to be a good player. But there is a separate argument about understanding
Starting point is 00:10:54 where you need to go to pick that player. John Snyder's good at this. Now, I'm not saying he always gets the draft pick right because he misses, just like any general manager. But since 2012, he's traded his first round pick every single year. Up, down, mainly backwards and for players. And in 17 and 19, he made multiple trades. But the reality is he's always trying to get the value correct.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Belichick, Howie Roseman, the Niners do a pretty good job of this. And again, they've missed. They took once upon a time Solomon Thomas, who they missed because he's not good enough. He doesn't have a position. Again, tries hard, you know, backup play. but you don't pay backup play you don't draft a guy number three overall to be a backup just like you don't draft trubisky that's again when when they took trubisky they mis-evaluated the value on that player now they would have had to he wasn't going to last till
Starting point is 00:11:49 like 10 he might you know some of those teams that took joshan watson mohomes pretty clear the chiefs would have taken mahomes but who knows maybe bill o'brien like to shan you know trubisky more than de sean watson i doubt it but it's bill Brian, you never know. But if I would have told you, instead of trading up from three to two to get Trubisky and giving up a second and a third round pick, imagine if Ryan Pace had traded back three or four spots and acquired a second and third round pick and acquired Mr. Trubisky, I don't think we'd look at it the same.
Starting point is 00:12:18 And he more than likely could have done that. That to me is the key, is that anyone in business will tell you always, never be afraid to walk away. Don't get caught up on a price. There'll always be more options. And that's what's going to be complicated about this Zoom situation trying to make trades. But I do think the best general managers will just, I mean, there's tax, there's emails, there's a million ways to get a hold of people, we'll figure it out.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Because you never want to pay $1.4 million for a million dollar house unless you have unlimited money. Like if the Miami Dolphins traded, let's just do a hypothetical, four picks for Joe Burrell, four number ones. Pick five, pick 18, pick 26, and a next year's one. You'd go,
Starting point is 00:13:06 that's a lot. They're paying $1.3 million, hell, $1.5 million for a $1 million home. But in a couple years, if Joe Burroughs good, that million dollar home
Starting point is 00:13:18 would immediately become a $2 million home and you'd go, it was well worth the overpay. But there is enormous risk. They also have more money just because they have multiple first round pay.
Starting point is 00:13:28 So anyone moving up with multiple first round picks, they have more capital to deal with. When you move up and you have a single pick, like your pick 14 and you're moving up to the single digits, seven or eight, it's going to cost you a lot more because you've got to deal with future picks. Who knows how good you're going to be? That future pick could be a lot higher. Hell, it could be a lot lower. There's just a lot of unknown. That's the entire key to the draft.
Starting point is 00:13:51 It's just knowing value, understanding the right value of what to trade for a player. and then to me the least important is the player because so much of the player is out of your control you know how hard he's going to work what he's going to fit like in your system I'm not saying you haven't done that work and you feel confident at the time but has there ever been a draft pick in the first round
Starting point is 00:14:14 where a general manager goes you know what that pick sucked I didn't want that guy no every time you see a draft room in the history of draft rooms when a player is picked in the first round, high five hugs and kisses. Maybe there are a couple examples
Starting point is 00:14:29 where a team gets, you know, in a tough situation. But I would say, 95 plus percent of the time, it's jubilation. Because you really want the player. You assume the player's going to be good. But the reality is, half the time he's just not.
Starting point is 00:14:47 For whatever reason, for whatever variable is the reason he fails. So the key is to spend the right amount of, of draft capital on that player. If you can ever get him for cheaper, you have to be able to move down if those options are there. You also have to be willing
Starting point is 00:15:02 to not get caught up on one individual player have options so you can spend the right amount of draft capital. That's where the teams get in the best situations where they're not overextending themselves. You can also overthink it and when your information's wrong, trade back and then the player's gone.
Starting point is 00:15:20 So this really separates the smart guys from even the kind of smart guys that just don't have the information. That's why when I was at the combine, every general manager, every coach was telling me the key this week and the key moving forward is information, information, information, and information.
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Starting point is 00:21:10 I'll start at one and go to five. I think the number one team, if you're a general manager, the number one thing you'd want are draft picks. because draft picks allow you to shape a team how you want to shape a team. It's exactly what the Miami Dolphins did. They traded basically anyone that could play, and they probably won a few too many games down the stretch and put them at number five,
Starting point is 00:21:36 but you can't dispute. They currently have, according to my math, three first rounders, two second rounders, and a third. They have three picks in the top 70, with three of them being first rounders and two pretty good second rounders. And then next year, they have multiple ones, oh, and multiple twos. The amount of high-level picks they have is staggering. So if they hit on six picks this year that are really high,
Starting point is 00:22:06 next year, two first rounders, two second rounders, let's just go ten picks. If they hit on six of those ten, so 60%, especially given that a lot of them are really good picks, so you can get impact players, they could be really good. They also have the ammo if they want to get crazy to move up. I just think it's a unique job. The franchise has little history of winning since Marino.
Starting point is 00:22:32 They have been the most average franchise in the league. I mean, there have been some more below average franchises, but I'm pretty sure the last 20 years, I remember seeing a stat like last year, they were perfectly at 500. Now, they might have won a couple games, might slightly be above it, slightly below it, but for a long period of time, they were exactly at 500 post-Marino.
Starting point is 00:22:51 It's pretty nuts. I didn't love selling off really good players because you drafted Minka, you drafted Laramie Tunzel in the first round. The key when you trade those guys, they have to find a franchise quarterback, if not this year or next year, but they have to. You can't go through this tank. This isn't in the NBA, what's the key to tanking? Finding a transcendent player.
Starting point is 00:23:13 The key to tanking in football is to find a quarterback. So either this year or next year, they have to get a franchise quarterback. quarterback, but they are stocked with premium picks, and I think any general manager in any sport would die for this type of ammo in a draft.
Starting point is 00:23:30 So I would say the number one general manager job that I would want, like probably any football fan would want, just given how many picks they have would be the Miami Dolphins. Went a little off the beaten path at two. But I'm factoring in the ability to win a Super Bowl this fall. He had
Starting point is 00:23:46 one of the biggest free agency moves in the history of free agency. Now, it may turn out not to be, but Tom Brady signed with Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They were 7 to 9 last year with a quarterback that threw 30 picks. They have basically everyone on offense coming back. Their defense really came on at the end.
Starting point is 00:24:01 They re-signed Sue. They should be pretty solid. They have three picks in the top 76. They have a first rounder, 14th overall. Second rounder, 45 overall. And their third rounder is 76. Then they have multiple fourth-round picks. So of those five picks,
Starting point is 00:24:17 they hit on three really good players, adding Tom Brady, they have Bruce Ariens a playoff coach, they have Todd Bowles a playoff defensive coordinator. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that you can call Tampa Bay a Super Bowl contender with a really good draft. Now they've got to get impact players, whether it's a legit running back,
Starting point is 00:24:38 some legit offensive linemen, maybe a legitimate defensive back, but they are in a position. If they do a good job in this draft, to be poised to not just compete to win their division with the Saints, but to compete to win the NFC. If Tom Brady is good, and clearly I believe in their coach, I believe in their coaching staff,
Starting point is 00:24:59 and I believe in their talent. So if you add a good draft to their existing talent and their upgraded quarterback, I think Tampa all of a sudden you got Jason Light could be executive of the year. My third would be Mayak and the Raiders. They went seven and nine last. year. Now, they had some high highs. They played really good for a stretch and were six and four.
Starting point is 00:25:20 They had some low lows. They got their ass kicked by the Jets. They lost their last home game ever in Oakland to the Jacksonville Jaguars. But they had a really, really productive draft. And they went 7 to 9 and right up until the last three or four weeks, they were in the playoff discussion. Well, now they got two first round picks, 12, 19. They also have three third round picks. So you could package maybe two of those threes and get into the second round. You could always use one of those first round picks and trade back. Here's the key with the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:25:53 They have a lot of solid players. Like they just have guys that you can win with. Their problem is they don't have enough blue chip players. Like that's why they acquired Antonio Brown. That's why they need, they tried to get Byron Jones. Now, we could argue if Byron Jones is a blue chip player. But they need impact starters. Because the only way to make the playoffs is twofold.
Starting point is 00:26:16 First and foremost, you need difference-making players. And then you need depth. Well, the Raiders have depth. They had a bunch of draft picks the last couple years. They signed a lot of players in free agency the last couple years. Depth's not their problem. They don't have enough players. When they're playing the Chiefs,
Starting point is 00:26:30 they don't have guys that can make plays like the Honey Badger and Tyree Kill. They don't have players when they're playing the Chargers if the Chargers get good quarterback play to hang with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Bosa, Ingram, and Derwin James. They need to find a way if they can use these two first round picks to get difference-making guys. Get a star-corner or a star-wide receiver. To go with Jacobs, to go with Darren Waller, all of a sudden you might have something.
Starting point is 00:26:57 And maybe you can get in that wild card mix. You got to come out of this draft. Maybe trade those three-threes to get up near the top of the second round and get another sweet player and try to get three impact guys. The Raiders' biggest issue right now is star players. They don't have enough of them. You can't make the playoffs without them. You can win six to eight games, just being consistent, running the football.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Their defense is awful, but in theory, I'm playing a little bit better defense. But this draft, given that, I think this draft on paper looks excellent with a lot of impact players, and they got two high first round picks. They got a chance to make a big impact. You might think I'm a little crazy here, but just listen to me. But I'm going to go with the New York Giants. A couple years ago they took Sequin Barclay, which was too early for a running back, but there is no disputing he's a star.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Last year, again, a lot of unknown on Daniel Jones, but if Daniel Jones, it just becomes a top 15 quarterback, that means you have your franchise quarterback and franchise used loosely, right? He's not going to be Mahomes or Russell Wilson. But if he's just solid, you got your quarterback for the next decade. To go with Sey Juan Barclay and to go with potentially whoever you nail at Pick 4. If you have the stones and the balls to do this, it could change your franchise forever. Isaiah Simmons, if he's your guy at four, and let's say you hit on that guy, all of a sudden you have a generational player on defense, a generational player on offense, and your starting quarterback in a three-year period.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Pretty good situation. You hired the right coach. Again, I'm going on some assumptions. Met Joe Judge, pretty impressive guy. I don't know anything about him. He might be a failure. We don't know. Welcome to football.
Starting point is 00:28:42 But what if he's good? So all of a sudden, Gettleman's hired a good coach. He's drafted Sequin, a good quarterback, and he's acquired a sweet player at number four. Now, this also could go very wrong. Daniel Jones stinks, the number four pick. If you get Isaiah Simmons, he doesn't work inside your defense, and it doesn't look right.
Starting point is 00:29:01 All of a sudden, you're drafting the top five again, you're fired. Very risky. But if you get this right, and if you were right previously with Daniel Jones, Dave Gettelman, there's a chance. I'm just throwing this out there. There is a chance. Within the next, you know, by the end of the season, Dave Gettlement, by no means,
Starting point is 00:29:20 looks like the village idiot that he does now. Because he's the easiest person for the media to crush. He's the easiest person for the analytical community to crush. I think there's a decent chance that when all the dust settles, people go, you know what, Dave Gettlement? Turns out he actually did a decent job. Got to nail this, and he needs Daniel Jones to be good. The last team, this is hard.
Starting point is 00:29:39 factoring a little what they have on their team right now, and they have one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen in Patrick Mahomes, who's 23, 24 years old. In the last two years, they won the Super Bowl, in the previous year they lost because of an off-sides in the NFC championship game. The Kansas City Chiefs have a pick in every round. If you just hit on three of the seven players to become solid starters on your team, cheap labor, given that you're playing Patrick. Last night, a blown call changed a game.
Starting point is 00:30:12 This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines.
Starting point is 00:30:27 We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.
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Starting point is 00:33:36 Mahomes, about to, probably the next year, a lot of money. You already got a pretty high-priced team in Hill, Kelsey, Honey Badger, Frank Clark, Chris Jones is going to need to get paid. You need cheap labor. Well, it'd be pretty exciting to go, you know what? I got Patrick Mahomes for the next decade kicking everyone's ass. Now it's on me as a GM to nail draft picks and just get solid starters. Because if I get solid functional starters that are on my team for three or four,
Starting point is 00:34:04 years making $700,000, $800,000, I'm going to be tough to beat. And I might rattle off three or four Super Bowls. That is the key. These next couple drafts for the Chiefs are huge. Because if each nails these drafts, and when I say nail, get three starters. If you come out of this draft with three starters, you're golden. Because then next year you can get rid of some players that make a lot of money. You can siphon in your younger players.
Starting point is 00:34:30 You've got to balance out the high-end expense with cheap. labor. And Mahomes, Frank Clark, Tyree killed. These guys aren't going anywhere. And they shouldn't because obviously Mahomes is a great player. But you're going to need a decent amount of people on, a decent amount of players, decent amount of your roster on minimum type contracts. That's your second, your third, your fourth round picks. And for the first time in a while, Kansas City has a lot of picks because they haven't made any trades. So they're just sitting there and you get this right like you could become, I mean, a powerhouse. dynasty help i think it's fair to say they're the super bowl favorites right now how could they
Starting point is 00:35:09 not be have the best player in the game patrick mohomes you put talent around them offensively and defensively because we saw last year if their defense plays well they're going to win a lot of games and that's just that's just a reality for kansas city and looking forward to and again that's the thing about a draft like the chiefs it won't be that sexy on draft night because they're drafting at the end of the at the end of every round where it's going to be sexy is like week seven You're like, wow, they got two starters from that draft and three other guys that play. Then they're in pretty good shape. Get right to the romance and find the way to wow this valentines with 1-800flowers.com.
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Starting point is 00:37:40 Okay, let's dive into some topics just around football, things that have happened over the weekend. Number one topic on Monday was Christian McCaffrey. I get a topic, story. Christian McCaffrey signed a contract, and is the latest, I haven't seen how much guaranteed he got, I'd guess, $45 to $50 million. $16 million a year.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I've seen a lot of people analytically freak out. I don't love paying running backs. Derek Henry carried the Titans to the AFC championship game Wouldn't pay him Make him go year to year Make him go on the franchise tag Zeke Elliott
Starting point is 00:38:11 I didn't love paying him that much money Christian McCaffrey's kind of a different animal He was the first player last year Since Roger Craig and Marshall Falk To join the Thousand Thousand Club He's had over 100 catches two years in a row I was way too low on him coming out
Starting point is 00:38:28 I thought he was going to be like a glorified Julian Edelman Turns out he's like Jarvis Landry meets Sequin Barclay. He's one of the top 10 non-quarterbacks in the league. He's 23 years old. He'll be 24 when the season starts, but he's young, he's productive, he's high character. You can turn things around quick if you're the Panthers. The problem also with McCaffrey, because of his position,
Starting point is 00:38:55 you couldn't flip him like a Laramie Tunzel or like a Jalen Ramsey. And at his position, he's their level. or Khalil Mack. Because if you're the Panthers and you really want to reset, you'd want to trade him for a couple first round picks. The problem is no teams trading you would couple first round picks for him. And then I see, oh, $16 million, way too much for a running back. When you factor in how much he impacts the game, receiving and running the ball,
Starting point is 00:39:21 and at $16 million, he's only 8% of the cap this year. Well, if it goes up another $20 million next year, you're already at 6% of the cap. he doesn't cost that much money. People act like 16, 17, 17, 18 million for these elite... I can't believe you spent this on that guy. Serious? The cap, we don't have $110 million cap anymore. Times have changed.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Money's all relative, so I like the signing. Drew Bree signed with the NBC, which to me is a little weird. If you're Drew Bree's, time is on your side. Anytime you retire and want to join the media workforce, You're going to have multiple, you know, networks lined up for your services. I don't get why you sign a future contract if you're in. Don't you want to live in the moment, try to maybe win the Super Bowl? What if you want to come back for a couple years?
Starting point is 00:40:14 I just, that to me is a little bizarre. What is the rush? Where are these networks going? Who are they getting better than him? Now, I don't even think Drew Brie is going to be that good. Like, I think Manning would be good. I think Philip Rivers would be pretty good. I think there's a chance Drew Breeze wouldn't be that good.
Starting point is 00:40:32 And I think he's a fantastic human being. Probably like one of the highest character guys in NFL history. But the one thing you see with Romo is he's kind of a guy's guy. He just kind of lets it flow. He's fun. Then you get some guys that are kind of critical like a Troy Aikman. Like what would be Drew Breeze's lane? He's not going to be critical.
Starting point is 00:40:50 It's not really his style. Is he super fun? I mean, he's a nice guy, but is he super fun guy? Again, I have the utmost respect for Drew Breeze. I am a huge Drew Breeze guy. I just, I don't know, I want my TV personalities to be a little crazy. John Madden, John Gruden, Tony Romo. You could argue Troy Aikman is like the high-end super button up, but he lets it rip.
Starting point is 00:41:15 I don't, Drew Bree is a little corporate for me. I don't know. I don't know if he's going to be great at TV, but I still don't understand why he'd sign early. The XFL went bankrupt. You know, they owe a lot of people money. their revenue stopped coming in. And the way business works, I don't think people understand this.
Starting point is 00:41:34 I saw with the media like, Vince Young stiffed a lot of people. No, he did not. Anytime you get involved with a startup, and I have several times over the last three or four years, you're risking a lot. There is no guarantee the money's going to keep flowing. There is no guarantee you're going to get the money your promise.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Part of the reason you get involved with a startup, because it sounds really good on paper. And even something like the XFL that sounded good on paper, it had tangible things going for it, it had legitimate partners, it had money backing. Things are out of your control. Corona hits, boom, no more revenue, league screwed.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Vince Young is not taking money out of his personal accounts to keep this thing afloat. Especially when there's no certainty when this thing's going to end is who knows. Like he did the right thing. You just go bankrupt and everyone from Bob Stoops to the executives to the players, like that's part of the deal.
Starting point is 00:42:28 You sign up with something risky, sometimes it goes under. For every Apple and Amazon that hit, there's a million companies you never heard of. And I actually don't think Vince Young did anything wrong, or Vince McMahon did anything wrong here. They were set up to succeed, they were having success, and the Corona hit. And now they're bankrupt. Like, it's pretty complicated. When I see a lot of people, this was inevitable, no, it wasn't. They would never have gone bankrupt without Corona.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Would it have been some huge success? I don't know. but it for sure as hell was not going under. They were getting more viewers than NBA games. They were fine. Was it some rage, it wasn't the next NFL, but it was serving a specific purpose. And it was working.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And it gave the television network's inventory. But Corona hits, it comes to a screeching halt. There is no money. And unlike the NFL, they don't have bank accounts as a league to just go through a rainy day. There was no rainy day fund. That's part of a startup. Part of having success as a startup is getting off to a strong start.
Starting point is 00:43:32 So then you can kind of snowball it into more success. And they were off to a strong start. And boom, Corona, they're done. Vince McMahon, he's not personally liable for this stuff. There's a reason the XFL was a corporation LLC or whatever it was. People don't spend their personal income to keep, you know, startups that there's no certainty for it to keep. to stay afloat that just wasn't going to happen.
Starting point is 00:44:00 So I, Vince Young, I keep calling him Vince Young. Vince McMahon did the right thing. Interesting little nugget here that Alden Smith and Mike McCarthy started a relationship at Jay Glazer's gym. It's where Alden first met Mike McCarthy. And it shows you, like, would the Cowboys have signed this guy
Starting point is 00:44:19 just off hearsay from Jay Glazer that he's turned his life around, that he looks good? Sometimes in life, it's just where you are, who you run into, and clearly Mike McCarthy, I don't want to say he put his reputation on the line, but look Jerry, you know, and Jerry's an easy sell on this.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Like, hey, Jerry, I think we should do this. And Alden, you see him at the gym, you see how healthy he is. Sometimes also if you're sweating around a guy, you see if he smells like booze or not. It's the number one place to kind of alcoholic smell. So if he smells clean, you're like, this guy, you know, he seems like he's sober.
Starting point is 00:44:51 You can see it in a guy's face. McCarthy was able to have a personal interaction with this guy that probably helped you know, it clearly did. I mean, I think Alden's agent even said. A big reason this happened is because McCarthy felt comfortable. They developed a personal relationship at this gym. I didn't know this.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Mike McCarthy's daughter is an aspiring actress. I wouldn't have guessed that. Pretty cool nugget from Peter King. Roger Goodell will announce all the first round picks from his basement. At first I thought, you know, this is kind of stupid. They're doing it on Zoom. And then he realized, like, watching some of the masters over the weekend. They had Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods.
Starting point is 00:45:27 do the recap of their master's victory. You know, it's not ideal, but, you know, these are the cards we're dealt, and we're just dealing with them, and it's still entertaining. I think it'll be fine. I think it'll make for some funny moments, and I think for years to come, we'll look back on this and talk about the Corona draft, and I'm sure we will have some viral moments that we will never forget. Okay, let's dive into the Middle Koff mailbag.
Starting point is 00:45:52 At John Middlecough is my Instagram. slide up right into those direct messages, and you'll get your questions read here. Very little has been discussed about the running backs in the 20 draft, given the strength of wide receivers, corners, quarterbacks, and offensive line, and a diminishing view of running back value in recent years. Where do you see some of the top running backs going? Swift, Dobbs, and Taylor were all exceptional in college,
Starting point is 00:46:19 but seemed rarely mentioned as first-round options. I would expect one of them to go in the first round. Probably Dobbs could see Taylor, but either Dobbs or Taylor to go somewhere in the 20s. I think the other two guys will get drafted high in the second round, like Chubb in years past, Derek Henry in years past. I think that early second round spot has just been a sweet spot for running backs.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Teams feel comfortable drafting a guy there. You don't feel like you're using a first round pick. Now, you could argue, like, imagine if you had Derek Henry as a first-round pick, you'd have the fifth-year option, you'd have a little wiggle room. But I just think that those two guys can play. I mean, Jonathan Taylor's a baller. J.K. Dobbins can play really good. Swift is solid. I like Zach Moss, though he's not going to go that high. It's just tough.
Starting point is 00:47:12 To me, Key is just catching the ball. If you can catch the ball, you can play running back in 2020. Obviously you can play if you can't catch the ball. I mean, you have high level value if you can run it and catch it. I'm talking about a guy that can add 70, 80 catches. Because if you're not a 70, 80 catch guy, I struggle drafting you really high. Now, Zeke is somewhat of an outlier,
Starting point is 00:47:37 but I think that's going to be the question on Jonathan Taylor. J.K. can catch. I don't know enough about Swift. I feel like off the top of my head he can catch, but don't quote me on that. I think you got close on Tom doing CERN. I see the Pats and Belichick as the micromanaging boss. Constantly telling Tom, just throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:47:57 No media. We don't want to hear your take on drafting or recruiting. Just throw the ball. But Tom knows he can do all those things. We've all left bad bosses. And when we find an organization that just says, yeah, go do it. We trust you. It's liberating.
Starting point is 00:48:12 I would agree. The Bucks trust them and new. And that's new. Tom is going to run with it, and I'm here for it. Hashtag Sacramento Proud. The difference is Tom did not leave a bad boss. Tom left arguably the most successful boss in the history of the league. Now, where I think we could meet in the middle is even if you work for a super, super successful guy,
Starting point is 00:48:36 it's one thing to have a five, eight, ten year run, 20 years a long time. I think 20 years of marriage is a long time. If you have a kid year one of marriage, right, by the time 20 years is over, that kid. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking.
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Starting point is 00:50:34 Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliver Show, I'm bringing you. conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.
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Starting point is 00:52:24 no matter how much you like and respect the other person. It's a natural reaction. So I do agree it's new and fresh. This notion the bucks trust them, obviously they do, but they don't have a choice. Tom's in control. Tom has the leverage. The bucks do what he wants them to do.
Starting point is 00:52:43 do what he wants to do. Now he's a great guy, great teammate. Tom wants to do something, he's going to do it. He didn't do that with Belichick. And it led to I mean, the success speaks for itself. Do you think the OT position has been thoroughly overvalued? I'm asking your regards to my beloved New York Giants.
Starting point is 00:53:00 Do you think they would stand Pat at four and select an offensive tackle rather than draft Simmons or trade down? I think having a competent potential pro bowler is fine. You don't need Ogden out there. Even though a player like him would be nice. Stay safe out there.
Starting point is 00:53:16 I don't think it's necessarily overvalued because it's the guy blocking the highest paid guy on defense, and those are pass rushers. So whoever the highest paid guy is on defense, you're going to want your player on offense to be really good, whoever they have to go up against, right? That's why you want good receivers to go up against top corners, why you want good offensive linemen to go up against top defensive linemen.
Starting point is 00:53:35 And they protect your quarterback. So I don't think they're overvalue. Now, you're right. Like, you can get by with a very solid starter. You do not need Anthony Munoz, Tony Buselli, Orlando Pace. You just need, or Tyron Smith. Hell, you can win a, Joe Staley's been to multiple Super Bowls, and he's a solid starter.
Starting point is 00:53:58 You know, Jason Peters is a high-end guy. But, hell, the Chiefs have had a lot of success with Eric Fisher, who's a solid starter. So, yeah, I think sometimes the hype, it's not like quarterback. You need a Pro Bowl quarterback to win big in the NFL. You do not need a Pro Bowl. tackle to win big. You need a good tackle and good tackles, but you don't need a lead tackle, so I would tend to, you're on to something. Listen to it every morning on the way to work. Appreciate it. Question for the
Starting point is 00:54:26 pod. Where does Jalen Hertz go? Listen, I'm not a huge Jalen Hertz guy as a quarterback. I think he's more of a hybrid player. I don't think he throws it well enough in the NFL. I do think a lot of NFL teams are going to disagree with me. I think he ends up going in the second round. I would take in the third probably and move him, kind of play him like a Taysam Hill, roll. I see more Taysam Hill. I think teams are going to see, I don't want to say they're going to see Lamar Jackson, but they're going to see some Lamar Jackson in his game.
Starting point is 00:54:54 I do not. I just, I think Lamar just throws it better. Clearly does now, but I'm not the biggest Jalen Hertz at quarterback guy. In your opinion, what are the most important traits that a corner must have
Starting point is 00:55:10 in order to be great? Well, it depends what scheme you're in. If you're in a zone, team, tackling's big, instincts and space are big, spatial awareness is big. If you're in a man scheme, top end speed is huge, ball skills are massive, ball skills are huge no matter what, instincts, like you can't teach, and instincts are when the ball's in the air, do you play the ball, do you never look at the ball? That's a huge separating factor. You know, tackling can be overrated, but I don't want a wuss. I don't need Richard Sherman,
Starting point is 00:55:44 who's like an elite tackler or trying to think of a good tackling corner. He's the guy that always jumps out. But I need my guy to be able to wrap up. You got to have good feet. You got to just be competitive. You got to have a short memory. You got to be confident.
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Starting point is 00:57:36 Their fearless guide is this fascinating world. Find a forest near you and start exploring at Discovertheforest.org. Brought to you by the United States Forest Service and the adcaps. Council. From your time as a scout, who was your biggest home run and biggest bust? A.J. Jenkins, in terms of prospects, you advocated for the Eagles to draft, regardless of whether the Eagles ultimately drafted those players. My first two years, I worked in the pro department, and you're not playing as big of a
Starting point is 00:58:03 role. You know, I was, you know, evaluating, like, practice squad guys and just starting players. They don't, they don't care what your opinion is on, like, halloody nada. I'm just thinking of some top player. Logan Mankins. Nam de Assemwa, who we ended up signing. Like, you don't, you don't really, you're not in those conversations. Now, I'm going to take credit for this.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Andrew Sendejo was a guy I really loved. It was the UFL at the time. Some, like, minor league. I liked them, took him to Louis Riddick. I said, we need to work out this guy. You know, certain things are out of your control when you're one of the lower guys in the totem pole. I was all over him.
Starting point is 00:58:40 He was sweet. A guy, another guy that I like coming out my last year on the road, It was a big Ziggy Ansza guy. We didn't have many people in the building. They were big Ziggy Ansah guys. And if it wasn't for injuries, he was sweet. Guys I missed on... I didn't miss on Matt Barkley.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Didn't like him. I'm trying to think of pro guys. I didn't do college long enough to have a long list. I really was only involved in college full go one year. I was involved my first year a lot with practice squad guys and free agency. And really doing more like... I mean, when you're a 25-year-old pro scout, you just, your opinion,
Starting point is 00:59:23 you're more telling your opinion to the other scouts in the room than to the bosses. In fairness, like, I don't know if my opinion, not that I was wrong. I mean, I was, you know, I tend to be pretty good. I was on the right guys, but the reality is, I didn't play, you know, they weren't like, who should we sign?
Starting point is 00:59:41 Now, again, I was in agreement. I liked a lot of the guys we were signing, but it was more practice squad guys, ranking practice squad guys, ranking back-in guys when guys get hurt, setting up workouts. And then in the draft, what I did by the time I was doing college, Chip Kelly got there, and he definitely didn't care what I had to say. Here's a quick question about wide receivers in the draft process for you. How consistent is touchdown production from a college to pros?
Starting point is 01:00:05 If a guy catches double-digit touchdowns in college, is that a good or reliable measure for future pro production? A guy I have in mind is Tyler Johnson who got 25 touchdowns at Minnesota the last two years. I think the number one key when looking at college production is context. So if you've got 25 touchdowns, what I would do as a GM or a scouting director or whoever, I would siphon those 25 touchdowns out, and I would watch them all individually. Are 10 of those 25 blown coverage in your wide open? Are a large majority of them in tight coverage?
Starting point is 01:00:39 You know, there are guys every year that have double-digit sacks, and they get six of their 10 sacks in games against lower-level, and three of the 10 sacks are when the offensive tackle doesn't even touch them. So I think there's a balancing act when it comes to college production. I think sometimes if you're playing in the SEC and you're catching it on a bunch of NFL defensive backs, it's going to translate. If you're playing, you know, UC Davis and Cal Poly and you get 20 sacks a year, it's not as important. It doesn't mean it won't translate, but I think you need to dive in the individual place.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Once I see, do you have the skills or not to translate, then the individual production has to be put in context. Who are you doing this against? Any of these guys you're doing it up against it, future pros, the guys that are future pros, how good are they, how much is scheme, how much is the individual player? I think it's why the draft is pretty complicated. New fan of the show from Northwest Indiana.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Keep up the good work. Me and my friends always argue about if you had to pick a quarterback to play the Super Bowl tomorrow, who would you choose and why? I would love to hear your choice. This is an all-time selection too. I mean, you'd probably have to go Montana or Brady just because they have a combined 10.
Starting point is 01:02:01 You know, just the fun, like just of watching a guy have fun, I think you would go like Peak Favre or Peak, you know, what we're seeing in Mahomes. That's, there is a fun factor. So if you just give me Peak Brett Favre in like 95-96 or what last year, Mahomes, I would feel just as good taking one of those two guys as I would, Farve, or Brady.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Even Russell Wilson. You gave me Russell Wilson in a Super Bowl game? I'd like my chances. There's an element to me of how entertaining is the player, how much I enjoy watching the player, how talented is the player at the given time I pick him. Now, if you get Brett Farv in the wrong year, you got no chance.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Brady has shown the majority of his career, if he's in the Super Bowl, he's got a very, very good chance to win it. Same with Montana. So I think the safe pick would be Brady or Montana. My bold picks would be Mahomes or Farf, just out of the love of the game and the entertainment factor. Appreciate everyone listening.
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