The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - NFL Avoids Game Boycotts; Boot Dan Snyder For Bezos; Jordan Love Struggles Don't Matter; Mailbag

Episode Date: August 28, 2020

In this episode, John looks at the NFL getting yet another timing break by not having to confront the issue of players boycotting games in protest of police brutality during the season (yet), why he thinks Jeff Bezos will be the next Washington Football Team owner if Dan Snyder is forced to sell, and why he's not worried about reports of Jordan Love struggling early in Packers camp. He also answers listener questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm recording it. You're probably listening Friday or Saturday. Appreciate everyone for listening, as always. I might be in Las Vegas. My girlfriend has to work, a work trip to Vegas. I'm tagging along for a couple days. I have not during the coronavirus, first time in an airport and to another state. So we'll just see how the world exists outside of my own little bubble. Kind of excited to get out of here and not lose my mind.

But we got some football stuff going on, and there's a huge element of luck that the NFL, just the timing of everything in 2020. has really kind of fallen in their lap. The Dan Snyder thing, I mean, is getting a little out of control with the leaks on them. You know, it's clear the league. I have a theory on this one. Some reports that Jordan Love is a little in over his head. He's been inaccurate.

I think I saw a title of one article. Not shocked. And ultimately, it doesn't really matter that much in terms of Rogers. And I'll dive into why. and then of course middlecough mailbag at john middlecoff is my instagram easiest way to get a hold of me firing the dms and i answer the questions right here as well if you're listening to this on the apple on three and out podcast i would greatly appreciate if you leave a review it helps for business and subscribe to that podcast as well if you list through collins feed and for everyone listening to collins feed it's found me through there very cool i know a lot of you guys send me messages that way i'm glad you're here but i'd appreciate if you subscribe to that

and listen through that way. It just helps business-wise. This podcast thing is a complicated whole deal. But we're trying to mine our way through it. You know, while the industry is technically old, it's still relatively new, right? I mean, think how long radio's been around. And podcasts have really been around since like the late,

probably 2010-11 is when I started listening. And they've really gotten big, obviously, over the last three or four years. And there's no stopping them now, hopefully. Okay. Let's dive into the time. timing of everything. Because I had this thought. When the NBA, and whether you agree or disagree, and here's a reality, and I won't take this stance, like most of the media, they think only one way is right.

I'm a believer is everyone can think however they want to think. It's the great part about America. The great part about America is if you don't want to do a job or don't want to play a game, you don't have to do that. It's the most powerful part of our country. No one forces you to do anything. and I got no problem with people protesting, quitting their jobs, walking out. You can do whatever you want. Now, there might be financial consequences from anyone's decision, whether you make 50 grand or whether you make 15 million in the NBA. But you have the right to do what you want to do.

And I'd say this year, the racial tensions, and just the tensions in general, I mean, we created a lockdown. You see, the Pact 12, I got people, you know, I sleep well at night, no, that I never rooted for any business or any league to shut down. Now, I didn't want anyone to die because of the coronavirus, but I didn't want anyone to die. I didn't want anyone to lose their job. And I knew that when, for example, in my industry,

when you shut down sports, there's a trickle down effect to people in the media and just people, you know, the PAC 12 laid off like 88 people. And these were just people that work in graphic design and social media stuff. It has consequences. And for those, I know we've got a lot of smart listeners that are in the business world, understand. Like you stop having revenue come in, it's going to be a problem. But the NBA, the main reason they did this bubble, and I've said from the jump,

the only reason any of these sports, basketball, football or baseball, played in 2020, once coronavirus hit, was strictly money. It wasn't a money grab. It was survival for the league. and the reason I think the NBA players are not going to leave the bubble is because they talked about the consequences for quitting this bubble the impact it would have the next several years. The NFL, clearly when they were negotiating everything,

it all revolved around money. They're just trying to get the league to play this year in these crazy circumstances. Is money everything? Of course not. Your family, your parents, your kids, I don't have children, but I know how important my parents are. I mean, my dad died a couple years ago and just how often the impact that has had on me, the impact one he had on my life, but then just he has on you every day once he's gone.

I remember Scott Van Pelt said, you officially become a man when your father passed away, or someone famous at that. I just heard him say it, it's true, you know, and I don't have children, but I understand my brother just had a kid, the power of all that. But we're talking about businesses here, and that's what football, basketball, and baseball are. but the NFL has been so freaking lucky it's insane that when the coronavirus hit

and Rudy Gaber got sick it was in the middle of March where the NFL had already had their combine so all they had to cancel was they didn't even have to cancel free agency they just had to cancel you know private visits and pro days which whatever wasn't that big a deal

they had free agency they had their pro days They wiped out, or I mean, they had their draft. They wiped out the off-season. Who cares? Not that important. I don't coaches would tell you it is. I mean, I think it's a tad bit overrated, especially in 2020 with these guys, the access they have for personal trainers.

It's definitely not overrated for rookies, but like your fifth, sixth, sixth, eighth year veterans or just any guy that's been a multiple year starter, if your coach is the same, they know what's going on. Now, it did impact for new coaches 100%. But there is a level of, they adapted pretty well. because the timing, it didn't really crush them.

And then even the preseason, they just wiped out the preseason games. Let's be honest, most of us get excited for the preseason. They're kind of bored by halftime. Anyone that's been to a preseason game knows they're a snooze fest by the second half. And that's, I went as when I worked for a team and thought it was boring. I don't think, I guess I've been as a fan a couple times. It really sucks. That fourth preseason game, if it's coming to your place, that, I mean, it's awful.

I mean, no one dresses. But then, yesterday, or I guess, yeah, I'm recording this on Thursday. So on Wednesday, when the NBA boycotted and it led into Thursday, and I know I was sitting there on Wednesday afternoon getting ready for the Giants Dodger game, it's weird. I'm a Giants fan, but I despise Gabe Kapler, so I, like, root for them to lose. It's kind of unhealthy, and they've actually had a pretty good offense.

Kind of fun to watch offensively, but it's a weird place to be as a fan when you root for your team to lose because you want change. Like, you can't, I can't go from Bruce Bochy. to Gabe Kapler. Like, I just refuse. It's like, and I just, I can't take Gabe Kapler seriously. Like, Jim Tom Sula, I felt the same way. I was a big Jim Harbaugh guy.

But at least, like, Jim Tom Sula, if you're a cowboy fan, like, he's an elite defensive line coach. Redskins fan, like, he's a really good coach. He shouldn't have been a head coach. I just don't want Gabe Kapler by my baseball team. It's not mine, but you know what I mean. It's really the, it's my last hope of being a fan. Like, my fandom days in other sports, I don't really care.

I kind of jump around, roof of people I like. Baseball is the one sport I'm still a fan of. But ultimately what I'm saying is the baseball games didn't happen. And then I think the A, Oakland A's are not playing on Thursday night. Like a lot of, the hockey, all the hockey team stopped.

I had this thought yesterday when the NBA boycotted. And I'm not picking a side on this. Like, I think they have the right to do it. I understand people that get offended by. Like, I get the whole thing. I get every side. It's a complicated issue. But I do know that the NFL,

if they had been playing, on Thursday, is there a chance of some of the players might have boycotted? I don't think they would have. But I don't think it's a for sure thing. It would have been the number one story in America will the NFL play. Now, I think Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid

and obviously the coaches would have wanted to play. I don't even feel comfortable putting Patrick Mahom. Who knows? Who knows? But the NFL is still two weeks away because it had so much kind of carryover influence the Packers canceled their practice the next day. I think several teams canceled practice today. So now, the Thursday game, obviously, is just the two teams.

But I don't think it's a shoe-in. And I think that would have had to send some ripple effects around the league to kind of talk to the GMs and the owners to talk to their coaches to kind of get a feel. Because while the NBA, it turns out they had to come to Jesus' moment about, hey, guys, if we quit the bubble right now, it's costing us hundreds of millions of dollars, not just this year before the future. and the NBA and the NFL, unlike baseball, are partners. They're revenue-sharing partners.

So every basketball and football dollar, we earn, we earn it together. I think the new CBA is like 48-5 for the players and, you know, 51-5. Is that the math? Just a state school guy. But my ultimate point is, like, this becomes a complicated issue because if you don't play, and I say this all the time, and I think, the media gets uncomfortable when this said, all the money is generated through fans in one way or another. The reason these media deals, and I'm sure the NFL's one is up in the next year,

and the numbers, I read an article, article might be strong, a headline that it could double from what it was previously. Oh, it was the Honey Badger tweeted like more money for all of us, and he's right once the media deal doubles. But the reason it's doubling and the NFL is skyrocketing is because more people than any other sport watch that sport. The number one thing these sports depend on right now is our attention. Now, I watch all these sports. I'm a huge sports fan. But I say this all the time.

Like the majority of Americans are not sports fans. The NFL that gets, you know, 10, 12 million people to watch a game. Just do the math how many people live in America. You see some of the ratings in the NFL and in baseball, and clearly not as many people watch those sports as the NFL. And think how many people there are throughout America, right? So if you can get a, if you can get a minimum, million people to watch any event, you're in pretty good shape.

If you can get 10, 15, 20 million like the NFL, you're printing cash. So the games are where all the money is generated. Even this year, it's still kind of unsure who's going to have fans, who's not going to have fans. I think I've seen a large majority of the league has figured out that they're probably not going to have fans, but still some teams are. To me, that's a pretty nominal amount relative to the money they make off TV. and if a game is canceled, you know, because of a boycott, it would be a really big deal in the NFL.

It would be very, very, because the one thing about basketball and baseball, they play a lot of games. In football, every game, you do the math, is worth a lot of money to these networks, to these teams, to these players. That's where I do think that they are probably a little more on the same page financially, just because players in the NFL have had to fight for every dollar forever. were in the NBA, all these guys, I think the average salary is over $7 million. It's set up a little financially different.

Obviously, all contracts, I guess not all contracts. Some contracts are not every year's fully guaranteed, but the majority of players, when you see they sign a five-year, $100 million deal, every penny is guaranteed. We've learned in the NFL, that's not true. But my main point is the NFL should thank their lucky stars. And again, we'll see. I mean, things, if 2020 has taught us anything up until,

You know, late August, be ready for any curveball in any given day. You have no clue what's going to happen societally, you know, just through the weather. I mean, there was a huge hurricane yesterday. I can't even relate to hurricanes. When I see some of these highlights of these hurricanes coming in, I'm like, that looks insane. I wonder, you know, California, all we got is earthquakes, which suck too. But it's just, there's been a wild year. And the NFL, I've given them a lot of credit for the way they've handled the coronavirus.

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there has been a target on one owner's back in the NFL. And there have been rumors. It's been a minority owner trying to take them down. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if the league is helping

the minority owner or the league is leading to charge. and, you know, I've read books about business hostile takeovers. They happen a lot in corporate America. Clearly in these leagues, it is very, very difficult to kick out an owner, especially one with a lot of money. Remember, some guys have been in financial hardships and been forced to sell. The team that I grew up watching in Sacramento, the Sacramento Kings, the Malofs.

for those of you guys outside of the West Coast Remember the Maloose they owned the casino in Vegas Dudes just partied all the time Ruined all their father's wealth And lost a bunch of money And had to sell the team The dude that owned the Dodgers That actually wasn't even worth that much money

McCourt Didn't have any cash Couldn't even pay like the hot dog guys Was forced to sell it typically is over money And it's not the league forcing themselves So they can't operate their team Now the one incident at least in my adult life

has been the Donald Sterling situation when Adam Silver kicked Donald Sterling out who the entire league and most human beings despised I mean just a terrible human being but they had to catch him on tape saying I don't even remember

saying the N-word if I remember correctly and just saying all sorts of just insane things the guy was just a bad human being in the league but the league could never kick him out and if you remember Mark Cuban at the time said you know it's a slippery slope doing this because you just never know. And I do think there is some validity to it, though.

It was an easy one to get, you know, Donald Sterling out of there. Dan Snyder feels like that guy right now. And there was a report about him. And listen, I don't pretend to know if it's true or not. If it is true, he'd be gone. Did he instructed some people to basically take naked videos of the cheerleaders? There's the article a couple weeks ago or a month ago about some of the player personnel guys on the staff, about the play-by-play guy on the staff. Now, granted, in that article it said that no one accused Dan Snyder of any sexual misconduct or sexual assault.

It was written explicitly in that article, but they want to ruin this guy's character and do everything possible to destroy this man. And they're out for him. and I think it's pretty clear that the league and definitely people around him that own that team though when you're a minority owner you don't have no power you don't get to hire the coach you don't get to fire the coach you don't really get to do anything you just get a dividend from the team it's like I own a bunch of stocks I'm sure many people listening to

I wish I still owned Apple owned it at about 180 and I sold when the corona hit it's now about 500 but I don't get to call Tim Cook because I owned $20,000 worth of Apple and tell them my opinions. But I'm a minority shareholder. Again, not anymore. Dumbest move of my life, that and Netflix.

I've had some dumb stock moves over Corona. Now, I bought some, you know, I'm in the weed sector, but I do think that's going to be more 2021. I could have basically bought in and made a bunch of profits, but I'm not here to complain about that right now. But the point is that these guys want them out. And I think it's clear who they want in.

if they can somehow get this guy out of there and I don't know how they're going to be able to do that and I don't even think it's going to be as easy as all these articles coming out because you'd say historically these articles come out all the time on just NFL teams and NFL stuff and it just eventually goes away

but it does feel like they're doing everything humanly possible to ruin this guy where they have enough juice to somehow force them out now one problem is unlike Sterling who was even at the time felt like he was kind of losing his marbles this guy's still relatively young in his 50s He has an unlimited war chest of cash, a lot of money.

But I think they want Jeff Bezos to own this team. I think he just built Headquarter 2, maybe it's Headquarter 3 now. Remember, they were going to build it in New York, and then AOC freaked out. So Bezos was like, okay, we'll just take all the jobs, we'll move him somewhere else. Went to Virginia, and he's going to be based in the greater area. So why don't you think they want Jeff Bezos to own the Washington Redskins? To me, it's come to the point. drip, drip, drip with Daniel Snyder.

Now, we've known he's been a clown owner for a long period of time. But some of these articles that are coming out are different than micromanaging Kyle and Mike Shanahan, right? Are forcing RG3 to play. We're forcing his personnel department to sign Albert Hainsworth.

To me, when you start taping, and again, this is alleged, I don't ever, with these situations, I don't, I'm not even comfortable with legal terminology. I just went to Cal Poly. I don't have a lot of degree. We've seen this situation.

with players. I don't know. I don't even pretend. I'm not even picking what I think did it or didn't do it. But the continuous nature of these articles, they're trying to plant a case. I've seen enough television shows. If they can force this guy out,

Jeff Bezos is going to own this team. Now, I'm not feeling confident that they're going to be able to kick this guy out. But the wheels have been in motion. Like, they've been, and what's crazy is, Ron Rivera, who has done everything humanly

possible to make the franchise credible. Alex Smith has had the greatest comeback story in the history of the NFL, and still, I mean, it's like they're out for blood. And drip, drip, drip, drip, eventually it's like, okay, we got a major leak here. And you just got to start adding up the pieces.

And if somehow they're able to get Dan Snyder to force them out, I don't think you'll ever get, whenever I see people on Twitter like, sell the team. He ain't selling the team. the only way he will not own the Washington Redskins if he's forced to sell. And clearly they would need something hard evidence like something that happened with Donald Sterling. And clearly they're trying to, you know, figure that out.

Now, so far it's just accusations. Accusations ain't going to get them booted. But if they get something tangible, he'll be gone and Jeff Bezos will be the next owner. Because the league wants super rich owners, and there's not a richer human, I think, in world history, than Jeff Bezos. It's just crazy.

Just listen, Jeff Bezos takes a lot of shit. get like the dude started a company in 93 right he he started a company it was a bookstore so like i give him credit you know 10 years ago his stock was worth like less like a hundred bucks i think it was 120 dollars in 2010 obviously now it's you know over three like i tip my hat to guys like jeff bezos uh but and he might be a future owner of the washington redskins if somehow the league and the minority owners can get their way because i'll promise you this the minority owners ain't owning the team. One of my favorite things is when I'm scrolling through social media and I see some famous person's house is up for sale and it'll be like Chrissy Teagan and John

legend their Malibu home put on the market $22 million. Right? It happens a lot with like celebrities in Los Angeles or New York. Their homes are double digit millions like 10 to 20 million homes like who i can't imagine buying a home that much just the amount of money you spend in property taxes but the number's always extreme and i often think like if you were buying that home even if i let's say and someone described this to me a while back when i was playing golf with a buddy he's like you know i read this great quote is by a billionaire and someone asked them they did a podcast or something with them or maybe like a youtube sit down they ask them like what's it like to be a billionaire and the guy kind of shakes his head and he goes you know to be completely honest with you

the best way I can describe it to you is everywhere I go, everything is free. I was like, yeah, it's got to be a pretty good feeling. But the point is, if you're buying something worth a home, 10, 15, 20 million, obviously you have a lot of money. But, too, that home should not be a fixer-upper. That home should be ready to roll. Now, it's all relative wherever you live,

like even a nice home like where I live in the East Bay, like to be a sweet home non-fixer-upper around me, would probably be like $3 million. Right? Some of you where you live, a sweet home could be like $800,000. It's all relative to where you live. But if you buy a really, really nice home

and spend a lot of money at a high price point, ideally you would not have to be a fixer-upper. And I look a lot of that like free agency. If I'm going to buy a free agent in pro sports, basketball, football, or baseball, I know what I'm getting. In the draft, though, not every, like it's just a market, right?

I say it all the time. It's not as much about, obviously it is, it matters who you draft, but it's about what price am I paying for said player at different slots, right? If I, I don't want to draft the guy at 10, if I could trade back and get the same guy at 18, he's cheaper, and I can acquire assets for moving back, right? It's just, it's an economic exercise. It's why the teams that do the best job are great scouts and have great understanding of value. Well, I saw this headline the other day from the beat reporters coming out of Green Bay

that Jordan Love has been pretty bad and very, very inaccurate. And I thought, of course he is. They didn't draft this guy one overall. This isn't Joe Burrow. This guy is a fixer-upper. He's been a couple hundred thousand dollars. And they planned on putting $500,000 into the home. And maybe one day, if it hits the great part about a quarterback,

that property one day could be worth $10 million. But they actually didn't spend that much. They took them late in the first round. So that means they got a fifth year option on him. They control his rights forever. Now, we all know when you buy something at a low value, and listen, I love buying a stock at $5 because you go, God, if this company hits and really makes it,

one day it can be worth $100. Right? That's how you think. It's why we all love parlays. You mean I only have to bet $10 and I can win $7,000? Well, what happens? They don't opt and hit. But when you, you know,

you do hit it. And a couple years ago, I hit like a $10 parlay and it paid $1,000. It was the most incredible feeling ever. It wasn't like $1,000 didn't make or break my life or anything. But investing $10 and receiving $1,000 is an incredible feeling. So Jordan Love, he is inaccurate.

He is a complete project. They knew this when they drafted him. They drafted the guy simply based on tools, physical ability, arm strength. They need to coach up the accuracy. Now, that's a whole other conversation. can you coach up accuracy? I don't know.

But what they had going for them, sometimes, like my brother just bought a home, and it's going to need a pretty big remodel, right? So when you buy a home and it's going to need a big remodel,

you might have to leave the home if the remodel's big enough and you don't have anywhere to sleep. Luckily, he's got an extra room. You can always stay at my mom. He's got options. You got a little money. You can stay at a hotel room

if you had to or rent a place. You got options. Sometimes you don't, though. And the thing with the Packers, They had a great option. And whether he's diminishing, well, he is diminishing. He's not the same guy. He's still their starting quarterback.

And they have Aaron Rogers under contract for several years. So they have to pick and choose when Jordan Love is ready or not. Ideally to me, he's a two-year project. Like Patrick Mahomes, the chiefs went old school, right? They had Alex Smith, who was under contract. They drafted Patrick Mahomes, hoping he could take over for Alex Smith. But they didn't. You never know when you're driving.

grafting them. Then they see him in practice. They work with them all year. It's like, God, we really got something. Then he plays in the last game. The rest is history. But they had Alex Smith as a fallback, who they knew they could make the playoffs with. The Packers just went to the NFC championship game. They know they can win a Super Bowl with Aaron Rogers. Now, they might not be able to win a Super Bowl in 2020 just with this Aaron Rogers, but they know that at least they can compete for it. That was part of the investment. You're actually kind of hedging your bet. Now, it has, you know, it impacts. this season because they could have taken another player.

And we'll see how the draft shakes out of the next several years. Is the wide receiver that they ended up not taking or could have traded up for? Do they become stars or they don't? And we don't know if Jordan Love's going to be a good player. But I never faulted the ability to take a big swing early in the draft with a really, with a talent. Now, is he a great player? No. But he's a big time talent.

And I think we have recent memory in Carson Wentz, in Josh Allen, in Mahomes. that if you can take raw talents and Mahomes was a really, really raw talent, Josh Allen still is a raw talent they're molding. And mold them. That's why we're paying LaFleur $7, $8 million to coach the team. So if I'm a personnel guy and I love this guy's talent

and I don't have to force to take him and then in a couple years, if Rogers has really fallen off a cliff and my coach is good enough to coach this guy up, aka do the remodel on him, because there's no pressure. Hell, he doesn't even need to be the backup. I'd have to look to see,

who the third quarterback is. I actually saw a picture the other day. It was a guy I had never heard of. But it just gives you time. And there's no rush. But the upside if you hit and got a starting quarterback in the late first round

to just become a solid player. Jordan Love, even if the best case scenario, is never going to be Aaron Rogers. Zero chance. Because Aaron Rogers, arguably, he's better than Brett Farv. And Jordan Love ain't becoming Brett Farve. But if he just becomes like,

Dak Prescott, you are in great shape. And that's why they took him. They took a low-risk flyer. They're not paying him that much money, even though he was a late first-round pick. And the upside is just gigantic. Now, still upside, right? When you call potential upside, it may never happen.

But I didn't mind when I hit my parlay at $1,000, I only had risked $10. So you risked a late first-round pick. It's, you'd be like, well, middle-class. It's still a first round pick? Yeah, it's pick 27. If Joe Burroughs sucks, that's a kick in the dick. If Tua is not good.

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and they had a guy they like. So when I see he sucks, I say, of course he does. He wasn't that good coming out. When I say not that good, like, he was raw. No one thought like, oh, he's ready made, no chance. He is back in the day, he never plays for a couple years. But it's 2020. So we think that everyone just got to play right away.

That's not the case here. It's going to take some time, which is okay. That offense is Matt Ryan said when he played for Kyle Shanney. He's like, that first year sucks. Aaron Rogers was kind of not complaining last year, but just like, this is not It's tough to learn the offense that Shanahan, McVeigh, LaFleur, that all these guys run. It's complicated. So, heads probably spinning one.

And two, he just has some fundamental flaws he needs to work on. It's why you pay these coaches all this money? Why am I paying my quarterback coach $800,000? Why am I paying my offensive coordinator a million bucks? Why am I paying my head coach $7 million? You got to work with these guys. It's a balance, right? Because their focus is on this year and trying to win.

And that'll be the game plan. That's why you also take A.J. Dillon. Everyone's like, I can't believe the Packers took a running back in the second round. Well, my buddy's in the league liked the guy. Seeing some pictures, he looks like a tank. And you put him back with the other running backs they have. Why couldn't they have one of the best running games in the league? And then all of a sudden, Aaron Rogers, who's a quarterback's best friend?

A running game. Slash a tight end. But a running game. Then it makes it easier on the defense. You control the clock. Aaron Rogers, easier on him. It all works together. Now, I'm not that bullish on the Packers.

Like, I think they come back to Earth a little bit. would they win 13 games last year? I think they probably win 9 or 10. But this is how you conduct NFL business. You take raw guys. I think the Eagles did the same thing with it's a little different. They just wanted a backup plan. And there's just more value like if Jalen Hurd becomes a good player hurts.

Jalen Hurd, Jalen Hurd, Jalen hurts. I get those guys mixed up because the Niners have one guy towards ACL. They would flip. The Packers would use this guy and get rid of Rogers. But the concept is the same. the draft's about value, and no player in the NFL has more value than if you hit on a quarterback in the draft, whether it's the number one overall pick or pick $199 like Tom Brady, they are worth their oceanfront property immediately.

If you draft them at $1.99 like the Patriots did, you paid nothing for it. So it's basically stealing. It's legalized stealing in the NFL. And I understand what the Packers did. Now the hard work starts. You have to turn this guy into a legit NFL quarterback. He has the physical tools, but is he going to be able to do it? Now it's on the coaches.

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I greatly appreciate that. I might be putting on my tinfoiled hat, but hear me out. Miami brings in Chan Galey solely for the system Fitzpatrick is already familiar with the system so it should be a fairly easy transition Fitz plays the entire season barring an injury and at the end of the year Chang Galey retires

Fitz contract expires but he gets hired on as the OC and continues to be the mentor coach to Tua it seems like the two get along pretty well so far as it is and I think Fitz is smart enough to take the job and run with it thoughts I like a good conspiracy theory and I like a good immediate transition, stuff like that.

The problem is when you get a guy like Tua, and they basically tanked the season despite winning some games down the stretch, but they got their franchise quarterback, and it's fair to say that if he hadn't got injured, the Dolphins, you know, he's probably number one of their board before the last season started. Now, Joe Burrow had a better season, but I still think Tua could become a better quarterback.

Like, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Joe Burroughs season was incredible. He played with a first round wide receiver, a guy that's going to be a first round wide receiver next year, a first round running back, and multiple guys drafted on their offensive line, and he was awesome. I mean, he went number one.

But we'll see, which one's better? I would say the thing, though, is when you draft a guy really high, I need an experience coordinator. Now, Fitzpatrick has been in the league for, it feels like two decades, and he went to Harvard, and he has one of the highest wonderlick scores ever. Coaches love the guy. If he wanted to be a coach, he could easily become a coach,

and more than likely, he's smart enough, good enough leader, he eventually become a head coach. But typically you need some time. Like there is a pretty distinct difference of being a player and a coach. Now, a quarterback's the closest thing, or probably the middle linebacker or safety, where you're a big card of the game plan, but it's still different.

Calling plays is different than being a part of, you know, saying, you know, coach, I think we should do this. I think it'd be pretty risky, though would I bring him on immediately as the quarterback coach, if you want to do, for sure. But as a play caller, to me, when you've invested that in Tua, being that he's the fifth pick,

I think you need experience. That would be a very, very risky move. Question for the pod. I'm a huge Colts fan, and we're coming up on the two-year anniversary of the luck retirement. Actually, it's one, right? He retired last year? It was two years ago.

Yeah, it was last year. because I got Jacoby. And it still hurts for me to think because he's my favorite player in one of the grades. He could have been one of the grades, and it was just shocking. I agree.

I remember watching TV that night. Like, this is insane. But I always believe there was more to the story than was reported. Do you think we will ever find out the real reason or even what the injury was?

Thanks. You know, you probably spend more time thinking about it, given the year a Colts fan and given that if I was a Colts fan, Andrew Luck, would probably been my, you know, favorite player since Peyton. So I don't have any inside knowledge.

I kind of took it at face value. He was beaten to shit after Grigsman's offensive line, couldn't block me or you and got him killed all those years. Remember that one of it, though, he did get injured on his own, snowboarding. I don't, I, you never say never. I would say potentially. I think he legitimately was just destroyed physically. You talk to any athlete, right?

How many of you have been injured and have to go to just physical? therapy or rehab. It sucks. But when you're an athlete, you don't get to go three days a week. You do it seven days a week because your job depends on you getting back on the field. So he had multiple years while all he was doing is rehab, shoulders, and I just, I think it wears you down. And I think mentally he was broken. I think he's such a smart guy. So you start thinking, could I do other things? Money is not a driving force for him clearly. Erse did not take the money back so it always you know left it open ended whether he wanted to come back but

I don't know man I don't think we I don't think we ever see it Phil Mickelson's secret to the short game if you haven't watched it try it on YouTube 30 or 40 minutes could be a game changer for your wedges the problem is I watch some of these guys short game tutorials on YouTube and

it's really just difficult to take to the course I just, I'm a terrible wedge player, always have, man. Hey, what's up? Been a long time listener. I noticed that your last podcast, you responded to the question about three Cowboys players with over 1,000 yards receiving, and you scoffed it off and said that they have to be the number one offense, which they were.

Also, the number three receiver was Randall Cobb, who had 828 yards receiving. He also had about 15 drops. Having a step-up receiver over Cobb, it's hardly laughable that they can't do this next year. for the long post. I'd say the difference is they have a brand new offense. I mean, I know technically Kellan Moore still calling the plays, but McCarthy's there. He's the boss. He's an offensive guy. You had no offseason. Maybe I did downplay it. It's a good point. I guess they had two in 825. So yeah, I just think given in 2020 with the lack of practice, also asking a rookie,

you know, it's asking a lot of C.D. Lamb, and I'm a big C.D. Lamb, but if C.m has a thousand yards receiving. I mean, is he the lock rookie the year? Just listen to Three and Out Podcast, never resided more. Your brief take on politics. Both sides believe the other will destroy everything and their own side can fix it all. Love the football talk too, but as someone who isn't super politically driven, you hit the nail on the head. Appreciate that.

Just try to be level-headed when it comes to politics. Not much emotion. Actually gotten a screaming match. I'm like, you know, because I always think social media is so angry, like, real life. society is always so happy. I mean, like if you go to the restaurant or go grab some food,

like most people are nice, open the door for you. I went the other day. It was lunchtime, probably like Tuesday. It's a place called Rubios. It's this, it's like a chain,

but it's good. It's like fresh Mexican food. They got good like Mahi burritos. I also got a side taco too. Kind of a sneaky fat ass. But I was there, there wasn't any place to park in the parking lot

except this one parking spot, but the parking spot was probably made for a smaller car. I have a Tahoe, so my car was probably sticking out, but I couldn't park anywhere else, and I had to get some food. Then I get back to the car, this old man is there, he's like, starts screaming at me. Luckily, I've matured a lot in my older, in my younger days, a, like two years ago, I might have screamed something back,

but I was like, bro, this is the only place to park. He's like, learn to drive. Start swearing at me. I'm like, yeah, maybe people are actually pretty angry right now. Now this looked like a very old, angry, you kind of looked hungover. So, you know, I just said, hey, sorry, have a great day. Hopefully you're not mad later today.

You know, feel happy, buddy. And I gave him a thought, and it only kept making him mad. It's like reverse psychology. When someone's really pissed off at you, you do this a lot as a little kid when your parents are yelling at you and you keep smiling and it pisses them off more. That's what I did to this guy. And it just made him madder.

And then I realized driving off, like, I don't want to make people angry, so I kind of felt like an asshole, but, you know, the guy, the guy started. I wasn't like, I wasn't in his way or obscuring his parking, you know, spot. He's just like, you got to park somewhere else. I'm like, bro, just chill. Just relax. We're all on edge because of Corona.

You don't need to be yelling at me because my parking spots, my parking job sucked. It's a tough spot to park into. That's, that's all I got for today. I'll end it on me getting yelled at going to Rubios. Have a good weekend. I know I will. I'll be in Vegas. and I'll see everyone next week. Football, what? As I'm recording this Thursday,

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