The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 3 and Out - Ravens look great, who to blame in KC, how to fix the 49ers

Episode Date: December 27, 2023

John takes a deep dive into the success of the Baltimore Ravens and if being a great defensive mind is something that will hurt you in becoming a head coach in the NFL, and who he feels should win Coach of the Year. Later, John answers your questions during this episode's huge mailbag segment. 5:13 - Ravens deep dive 11:30 - Coach of the Year 18:53 - Mailbag 22:41 - Who is to blame in KC 29:04 - Advice for being bald 38:15 - What happened to Carson Wentz 44:30 - What should the 49ers do in the off-season Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and he's like, the dude's a boy genius. He's pretty special. And I'll be honest, I didn't know that much about him. Beside Jim and John kind of passed him back, he's 36 years old. He's now been the Ravens defensive coordinator. This is the second straight year since Wink went to the New York Giants. And the year before,

he was Michigan's defensive coordinator at 33 years old. This guy was born in 1987. If he was an offensive coordinator doing what he's doing, right, he would be a lock to have three or four contract offers in January to be a head coach. He would be viewed equally, if not better, than Ben Johnson with the lines. But he's a defensive coordinator, and to me, he's no lock to get a job just because that's just the way it works. I think it'd be easy to kind of go the other way. Well, Brandon Staley, you know, this guy did not play college football, even though he went to Georgia.

He was coaching high school football when he was in college. and it's a piece of advice I will always pass along. Anytime you're very passionate about something and you know what you want to do, start working in that field immediately, no matter what, because the faster you can hone your craft in said industry, the faster you can move up. So when you see this guy 36 years old,

he's been a defensive coordinator now at Michigan and 21 for the Ravens for the last two years, how do you get a job so early? We had 15 years of experience. He started coaching immediately. He started coaching when he was 18, 19, 20 years old. old. And obviously the best thing that ever happened to him is he went to work for a hardball. And he got to work for the other harbaw. And then he went back for the other harbaw. So it's,

it's worked out really, really well. Now, there is more to being a head coach than just being a good coordinator. But this guy is an elite coordinator. It's pretty clear. And one thing that stuck out to me, and we talked about it on Monday night, is Cowshan has had trouble this year against big time defensive coordinators, Brock Purdy especially. Him and Jim Schwartz of the Cleveland Browns, really kind of punked them. And there's a physical nature that, like I said, the Niners are used to dictating that, and the Ravens went into this, one,

we're going to shove you around. And two, did you notice last night that some of their tip balls, and some of them didn't even lead to interceptions, put your hands up? Brock Purdy's not a 6-5 quarterback. So if you get your hands up in the throwing lanes, it's not easy for him to get it over.

It's why the one played by the corner, Clowny had a tip pass, and to me, that's coaching. We talk a lot about, the details. I think I had a DM of someone pissed off at Mike McCarthy refusing to double team the edge rushers for the Miami Dolphins. Like, listen, if you get beat on a given play, it happens. It's the pros. They get paid too. Eventually, you got to adjust. Now, sometimes when I got the Jimmy's and the Joe's and the

exes and the O's, there's only so much you can do. But Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy have been eviscerating everybody for the last month. I mean, they've been scoring 40 points with their eyes closed. And last night, Mike McDonald, like I said, if it was flip-flopped and Kyle was a defensive guy and Mike was an offensive guy, he would, he'd be a head coach of a team today. It'd be like the contract offers in your agent's email inbox.

You want $10? You want $12 million a year. Become our next head coach. But when you're a defensive head coach, rightfully so, we ask the question, how does he handle the quarterback? Does he know anything about offense? Who's going to be his offensive coordinator?

If he does get a good quarterback, will that offensive coordinator leave if he has success? And, you know, it is questions that have to be asked. But there's no question about it that those guys are discriminated against in the NFL. When it comes to owners and when it comes to front offices, they're not looked at as equals in terms of the hiring cycle. It's why, and listen, I think some of it's justified. Everyone's talking, oh, Dan Quinn, Dan Quinn. I saw Dan Quinn as a head coach. When he had Kyle Shanahan, they were awesome.

When he didn't, it wasn't great. It was actually pretty embarrassing. He's a really good defensive coordinator. And he's just, his whole career is going to be predicated on who does he hire. And if that guy has success and his team has success, that guy will leave. Like that's the one thing. If you're the Ravens and you have Mike McDonald, there is not a lock that he's going to become a head coach. You might end up having the guy for four years.

Now, I would imagine, you know, he definitely gets some interviews this offseason. And he's probably head coach within the next couple years. But if it was the equivalent of the other side of the ball, he'd be gone. If C.J. Stroud never gets hurt and the Texans win that division and they had won 10 or 11 games and he has one of the great offensive rookie, you know, seasons of all time. Like, I got news for you, Bobby Sloak's probably a head coach. And I don't know much about his leadership, how he can handle the team. But that's just the way the cookie crumbles in the national football league, right? In college, it's a little different because recruiting such a big part of everything you do and if you're a good recruiter. but having an offensive background is a huge swing point for ownership.

And I get it, right? That's the quarterback and the points butter our bread around here, right? That's where our bread is buttered. I think I screwed that saying up. But when you watch last night, like, it doesn't get any better than that. So from a defensive X's and O's schematic standpoint, we've seen it for a couple years now, the guy is elite. Like, to me, when I watch Brandon's daily, no one has any fucking clue what to do.

And the Rams defense has been good since Sean McVeigh's been there. Now, you say the Ravens defense has been good. True. I think they're dramatically more fundamentally sound than when they had Wink. Because Wink, who's a really good defense coordinator, just very blitz happy. And remember, part of the reason him and John Harbaugh, Wink wanted like $4 or $5 million, John was like, well, can you stop playing zero blitzes? He's like, no, that's kind of what we do.

And you watch Mike, like, he'll do whatever. He will do whatever it takes to win. I need to stack the line, stop the run. Do I need to play coverage? Do I need to blit? I'll do what. it takes. And those are the type coaches that I like. And that's the problem with Kyle Shanahan. He can get very stuck in his ways. And then when he tries to be something different, it gets very

out of whack. And Mike McDonald had him just really out of whack, him and Purdy. And embarrass them on national TV in front of probably 30 million people. Right. I would imagine a lot of people were watching that game. And rightfully so. And last but not least, before we dive into the mailbag, my take on the coach of the year is pretty simple. What Stavansky's doing is awesome. But their team's really good, and I know they have a million injuries. And listen, he's a very deserving candidate. But he got it a couple years ago, and rightfully so, when they made the playoffs. So if the Browns did not have the year when they went to the playoffs and they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers,

I would say, listen, if you do that with this organization, shit, you got to get it. Because part of it is elevating a dysfunctional operation. Next year, if Antonio Pierce leads the Raiders to the playoffs, even if he only wins nine or ten games. If they are in the playoffs, he's got to get it. Because you elevated this organization? Stapansky's organization was already elevated. They were already, they're not a laughing stock anymore. Most people were picking them coming into the season to win like 12, 13 games. And like I said, a couple years ago, they had success. Not taking anything away from what he's doing. With Joe Flacco, they're awesome. To me, Dan Campbell has to win the award. Because when they

won the game on, what was that, when did they play? Saturday or Sunday, it was Sunday morning against the Vikings. They won the division for the first time in 30 years. The first time in 30 years. They've had nine winning seasons in 90 years. Excuse me, nine, 10 plus win seasons. He has a chance. If the Niners lose one of these last two games, and who knows, that Rams game could get weird in two weeks, because the Rams are playing really well, even though, you know, the Niners kind of own them. If the Lions win out, they would be the number one overall seat.

The Detroit Lions are the number one overall seat. Just being in that mix with two games to go is a remarkable accomplishment. Now, you can say, well, John, they won nine games last year. True. And it's a lot harder. I think it's way easier in life, no matter who you are or where you are,

to be the guy hunting, to be the guy chasing. Because no one thinks you can do it. And honestly, they're not paying as much attention. to you, and it's just, it's easier to gain ground. It's a lot harder when everyone takes you seriously, and you have to sustain, right? The wind blows the hardest at the top of the mountaintop. And obviously, they didn't make the playoffs, so I'm not acting like they were getting treated

like Belichick and Brady, but no one took the Lions this season as some pushover. I mean, hell, the year started with them going on the road and being the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, it turns out the Kansas Chiefs aren't exactly what they've been, but you guys know what I'm saying. Like, they had legit expectations, and they haven't just answered the, the bell, they won the division easily, and they're probably going to win if they went out, and they played Minnesota again, I forget their other game, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty easy. They are going to win the most games in franchise history. Now, you could say 17 games

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At John Middlecough. Fire in those DMs, Instagram. Huge fan of the pod. I like this guy already. Two questions here from a struggling Bronco fan. First, how is it that Russ looks like he's barely worth being a starter for the first three quarters of a game, then completely tears it up in the fourth quarter? Is it because he just constantly going off script in a hurry up offense, or is there another reason?

Finally, what do the Broncos do about the quarterback in the offseason? I like Russ as a guy, but I don't think I can watch him play another year. Why don't think he'll have to him? I don't think he's on the team next year. Now, how that is facilitated, a cut, a trade, they eat a bunch of money, I don't know. But I would not envision Russell Wilson being on the Denver Broncos next year. I think it's over.

And it's going to be pretty ugly divorce, you know, financially for the Broncos and the hit on the salary cap. But I think they'll pivot. I think that much is pretty clear. I think it happens in the NFL a lot when you just kind of play free. Like you've got nothing to lose. It's like you stick to the game plan, you know, and you get very, very stuck in your ways. And then you're like, fuck it. Let's just let it rip.

And then all of a sudden you play more free. it happens all around the league constantly, especially if a team's down like 20 points and then the final score is like, oh, they only lost by six. Like, yeah, that game was not close. I'd be lying. I was, you know, Christmas festivities were going on.

I tried to kept running back to the TV. I just think, I said this the other day. He, even people that tried to prop him up, like Sean Payton's made him a lot better. Yeah, I mean, relative to as bad as it was last year where he was like one of the worst starters in the league, he's fine.

I mean, he's probably like quarterback 22 this year. And I'm not even talking statistical. I'm just talking about when you watch him. And like you said, who wants to watch that guy play quarterback? It was why it was tough when Peyton Manning's final season. It's like, God, this guy's a shell of himself. I can't watch this. Neither could eat.

And it was over. Now, Russell Wilson can still play in the NFL, obviously. But I would expect him to not be on the team. And I would expect that to be over sooner than later when it comes to the offseason. I know you watch a lot of Niner games. I'm wondering if you notice Nick Bosa is always on the ground in past rush situations. Seems odd to me, but whenever I watch him play, he looks like getting pancake by tackles. Wondering if you notice it too.

Is he having a down year? I think he's like the first guy to have, you know, through the first five years of his career, most sacks with like three other guys like Reggie White, J.J. Watt. Like, listen, I think sometimes when you're really good, you get judged pretty harshly. Now, he can have games for being an all-time great player. I mean, I think he's going to go down as like a Hall of Famer where you're just like, God, I don't quite feel him and notice him as much. Here's the other thing.

The 49ers' defensive line is not as good as it has been. And Chase Young, listen, for a late third-round pick, it's worth taking a flyer, but he's just kind of a guy. Like, he's solid. I'm not paying him much money in the offseason, if I'm any team. And Eric Armstrongsreads out. Hargrave is kind of a situational player, good interior pass rusher.

But Kinla is one of the worst defensive tackles in the NFL. And they just have a lot of other rotational guys. So it's pretty easy to kind of overload for both. I'm not trying to make excuses for him. But he's, I think relative to what he was last year, he just hasn't had the same season. Now, the 49ers guys argue that, you know, he has a bunch of, you know, he leads the league in pressures,

or he's up there near the league leading pressures. He gets held all the time. It's like, yeah, most good defensive linemen do. But I hear you. I mean, you can watch some games and you just want to feel his presence. And I would say when you watch some of the all-all-time great pass rushers, they just refuse to be denied in these big games. You know, sometimes Bosa can just get neutralized.

Bears fan here. At what point do we start looking at Matt Nagy is responsible for the Kansas City offensive problems? I mean, Andy Reid controls the offense. So whoever is the offensive coordinator for Andy Reid, in Kansas City specifically, it's Andy Reid's baby. And to their personnel, like, let's face it. Travis Kelsey is kind of a shell of himself, relative to like his all-time grade status. He's no longer that guy.

That doesn't do with Taylor Swift. He just got old. He's 34, 35 years old. He's been injured a lot. Clearly, emotionally, like, I saw the clip this morning, him throwing the helmet, Andy Reed kind of bumping into him, trying to get his head in the game. And say this about Andy.

Like, I don't care if you're one of the greatest players I've ever coached or you're a scrub, I'm going to coach you hard. I'm going to be in your ass. I'm not going to allow, he wouldn't allow the trainer or the equipment guy to give his helmet back. They got high standards there. And Travis, I think he's playing hard. I think he's doing everything humanly possible to make plays.

I think sometimes it's hard. And then when your next best receiver beside Travis Kelsey is rice, like it's a problem. It really is. And let's face it, like what happened in you, Mahomes was just bad. He just wasn't good for his standards. He still can keep plays alive.

puts them in position, but their wide receivers don't make any plays. And then I think he gets frustrated, kind of overcompensates, and throw some of the bad picks. I mean, the pick on the out route to Jones was just, that's like Derek Carr level throw. Patrick Mahomes does not make that throw. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, those guys, it's weird when you see that play happen to them. And I do think that he just, it's kind of all coming to a head. And sometimes, listen, they've been to three Super Bowls. In the last five years, they've won two of them.

this guy's won a couple MVP. You just have a down year. And if you're down year, host a playoff game, win a playoff game, and get bounced in the second round, think how many teams would sign up for that? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility

that, like, you have a bad year, next year, they kind of reload this off season, that they sign, you know, I'm not saying this guy specifically, but, you know, convince like a Mike Evans type, take a little less money, come play there, draft some skill guys.

They'll be fine. They're not going anywhere. They're just having one of those transitional years. I'm terrified that Iberfluse will not, the bears will not fire Iberflus, and I'm extremely terrified that they do not fire Getzzi, for the lack of ingenuity, lack of motion, terrible play routes, and ability to adapt adjustments Caleb Williams or any other quarterback cannot play under his play calling in the NFL. It's horrific.

So, yeah, I think the bears are a wild card, man. I really do. You know, one thing that kind of bothers me is this Kevin Warren, the president of the bears, who they hired from the, Big Ten just now has carte blanche, like he has all the juice to run football. That's who the guy, you're treating like he's

like Al Davis or Phil Polion. He just gets to be the boss and just everyone answers to him. I would say this, that's a huge fucking red flag. Whether it's Iber Fluse, whether they fire him, and Harbaugh would not work for Kevin Warren. Belichick, Mike Tomlin, they're not working for Kevin Warren. I'm answering to you?

In what world as a football coach with a track record, do I have to answer to you? Would not happen. Get the fuck out of here. I refuse to deal with you. You're the guy that wanted to cancel football. He'd be like, well, the president's did. It wasn't me bullshit.

That guy is such a fraud. I have a huge red flags on the bears with that situation. And until that situation is handled, like, if everyone has to answer to him, listen, we can make fun of owners all we want. Like, hey, man. That's the thing, like right now, the, you know, know the Brandon Staley and Telesco had to answer to John Spanos, who is Dean's son. Listen, they own the team. They can do whatever they want.

Whether it's right or wrong, like, it's still their prerogative. It's another thing when you hire a guy who's an administrator and that person has to answer to, I don't feel comfortable with that as just someone who thinks, like, are they going to have success? I would bet against it. And it speaks to the ownership, not having a great feel and clue what's going on. and I think they got major problems until they figure that out. So whether Iber Fluse comes back or they try to hire another coach,

if they got an answer to Kevin Warren, I don't know if much is going to change. I'd like to know your opinions on how penalties, specifically defensive past interferences and holding, I'm of the opinion that those should be 15 yards from the line of scrimmage for DPI and five yards for holding, but take away the automatic first downs. Yeah, I've said forever the pass interference, they should copy college, right? Like, in one thing I like with the pros, this different in college, is the one foot, two foot. Like, it's the pros. You should have to get two feet down.

And obviously, that costs a lot of catches over the course of a year. No issue with that. One thing college got right is you can't just throw up an absolute Hail Mary pass when the wide receiver or defensive back have no chance of catching it and get 50, 60, 40 yards when your offense has been terrible. And that happens all the time in the NFL. So I would have absolutely no problem with changing the 15 years. year penalty, you know, to a 15 yard standard penalty. No at the point of the penalty. Like that would get, I totally for that. I've always said defensive holding. You know, and defensive holding is such a subjective coin flip play, even to me more than pass interference.

How often on like third and 10 or third and 15 is there a defensive holding, which close to the line of scrimmage, where the DB is kind of like fighting with the wide receiver, automatic first down, that should be a spot foul. So wherever the holding took place, you get third, if it was third and 12, well now it's third and seven. You don't get an automatic. I just despise that play.

Holding, I'll be honest, I haven't really thought of. My only issue with that is holding is a pretty big deal when it's called correctly. Like the reason I'm holding as an offensive lineman is because you would have sacked my quarterback.

And when you sack my quarterback, it could lead to a fumble, it could lead to maybe you stack the quarterback as he's throwing, it gets tipped, it's a pick. Like, it's a pretty, you know, I have no issue with that. But I'll be honest, I haven't thought that much about it. Have currently gotten out of college football, in which I coach for 15 years.

I will be joining the bald head club in the next week or so. Welcome. Any advice? I think for two years, I shaved it with a, with like an electric razor, so it only got to a one. I had more hair early on, so when I was bald, it didn't look as terrible. And as I've gotten older, less than a year away from the big 4-0, it's kind of crazy. I started using, when I say older, probably, you know, two, three years into shaving,

I started using just the Mach 5 or Mach 3 in shaving my head. And now I shave my head every couple days. And I'll never look back. I've said this forever. It's obviously very expensive to get hair implants. And I've had a couple buddies that did it and they said that it was the most painful experience of their life. Like you're in tears just sitting there.

It's not one guaranteed to hold. And two, you just get your old hair back. And my thing is, I would come back to be a hair guy if you could guarantee me like high end hair. So my hair would flow like I'm, you know, Brad Pitt or George Clinton. Clooney or you know, Tom Brady. But if you just get any, his hair plant, see, his hair was good.

So when he was losing it and got the procedure, it just added his own hair. They just take out the hair from your sides and put it on top. My hair was okay. You know, it was kind of coarse, didn't flow that well, had a lot of different calyx. I wouldn't want my old hair back. So I'd have no problem coming back. I just want new hair. I want new flow.

And if you can't guarantee me new flow, I'm not coming back. So shave it, let it rip. If you can, grow a beard or whatever. Now that I don't coach, I've gotten into betting and was wondering what resources you use other than your main man Stucky. Stucky's probably my main man. Other than that, I'm a big eye test guy.

I'm not, I do gut feels. Now, I bet typically one or two big games a week depending, you know, early on in the season, you get pretty excited because football's back. Late in the season, you kind of pick your spots toward the playoff run, but like I'm going heavily on Washington against Steve Sarkisian.

And it has nothing to do with like, I'm not breaking down matchups. And it's just like, I'm just betting on Kail and Du Boer with 30 plus days of rest and coaching time and preparation period to outcoach Steve Sarkesian. That's my logic.

That's my, it's period point blank end of story. So I'm a basic like, I think sometimes you can overthink it. and listen, Stucky's so deep into the weeds and he's been fucking hot. So like when he's given me these nuggets and he's on fire, I just ride them.

Right, but I don't break down the individual. I think sometimes too, we overreact to injuries with positions. Like, oh, this right tackles out. Like ultimately it doesn't move the line very often. But if you watch football at the level in which we all do, it's easy to like, oh, they're missing this wide receiver. Oh, Tyree kills that.

How are they going to score against the Jets? And they score, they win 30 to 10. So you just got to watch. a lot of football. That's how I do it in golf. I just watch a lot of golf. And I know who's playing well, who's not playing well, and who's played well at these places before, and then I kind of bet on it that way. I'm a Patriots fan and was wondering what are your thoughts on a team rebuild? I think you should focus on building a strong core of players first and move up in the draft to target a quarterback with a high ceiling. My friend wants to draft a quarterback with a second

overall pick if we stay there. though I agree quarterback is the most important position is it a waste to have your quarterback on a rookie scale deal during a rebuild? My fear is we get an average starter and fail to put pieces around him in time to compete.

Appreciate your thoughts. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you, Austin. I think there is no right or wrong way to do it. If you have a quarterback that you really like and you think he can be a really good player, you just have to get them. If you're in position, right? I think that's always going to be the priority.

Now, if you, you're not going to force a quarterback at a spot if you don't feel comfortable. So to me, if one of the quarterback, if you're drafting and the two quarterbacks you like are off the board and you don't think the other guy is a top 20 pick, take the best player. And then maybe in the second, third round, take a quarterback. I'm not against that. But I think when you force a quarterback, just like you could argue forcing other positions, you get in the spots where all of a sudden you regret the player. When you just take a good player, like a couple years ago, the Patriots took Barmore from Alabama. Jesus a fucking stud.

Just take the best player on the board. And I think if you continually stick to that plan and then take the quarterback when you feel right. Now, you're going to have conviction on a quarterback. Dave Gettleman thought Daniel Jones was the top 10 quarterback and drafted him six overall. And hasn't worked out, right? Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, like sometimes it fails.

So that's the shitty part. even if you like the guy, the history on that guy succeeding is pretty small. A lot of talk about the officiating lately. Obviously there needs to be refs on the field to manage the game, but as 2023, why the fuck are we relying on them to make the calls? It's not realistic to expect the refs to see everything when there are 200 plus cameras on the game.

It feels like Booth Review is eventually going to be relayed to the refs almost every play in the future, so what are we waiting for? I think that expedited review that they're doing I've seen it in a bunch of games lately where they kind of, I don't even know if it's a challenge if it's just automatic review and it's very quick.

Like, we all see it, let's move on, let's go. I hate the delay. I hate the time wasted. It's like this one's pretty clear. Now some, because the rules have gotten in such a gray area, it's like, is that a catch? Is that? You know, it's hard to know.

But I like when it's pretty clear, cut and dry, quick review, expedite it, boom, touchdown, no catch, you know, fumble, whatever. Let's move on. Like you said, it is difficult. I'm tough on officials. I'm a human being, though. And understand there's a level to that position,

no, being in that position that these guys are running 4-440s, fucking shit's happening, flying. It's so much easier for us to judge it on the couch in slow motion. It just is. I'm tough on them. But I'm just tough because I'm just tired of getting it wrong. Can't we just get it right? And like you said, there has to be a balance.

Because ultimately it's entertainment product. but entertainment product and now we're betting on, a lot of money's on the line. So how do we strike the perfect balance of getting it correct, moving quickly, the NBA got it wrong.

You watch the final couple minutes of a basketball game. You're like, I don't have 30 minutes. Can we just finish this fucking thing? I'm a huge Vikings fan, and I was wondering if you were the GM what you would do at the quarterback position. I think the easy move is to try to bring cousins back

at a cost prohibitive number. A number that we can agree on that isn't crazy, probably incentivize it based on the Achilles. Now, his cousins, because he's the best quarterback on the market by a mile, now he's injured, would someone give him just one year of $30 million and just risk it? Because I'd struggle to give him like,

hey, I'll guarantee you like $15 million, and then we'll give you like a million dollar game bonuses. You know, $500,000 for every start and $500,000 for every win. So if you're like a 10-win quarterback and you play a, a lot, boom, we can get 25, 30 million pretty easy and give a bunch of touchdown incentives. So if you're good, you want to stay here. There has to

be, you know, this is a business. So I got to mitigate my risk of like, well, if it doesn't go well, I can't totally screw over the team. But I also know that if you're just 80, 85% of what you were, you're better than anything we can find. They're in a very, very tough position.

If the New York Giants end up drafting 6 to 8 and miss out on the top two quarterbacks, should they trade up for Jalen, Jaden Daniels, or attempt to build an O-line and get weapons. You know the weird part about where the Giants are at? Is their quarterback, who I think I saw yesterday on the sideline watching the Eagles game, had to be him, is he's going to be on the team next year. And depending on, like, he could be healthy by week one.

So are they just going to have a $40 million backup if they trade it up to get one of these quarterbacks? That's my, what I wonder how this is all going to work. Was he bad enough that they're just totally out on him? And I'm meaning the owner. So do you just move up and draft a quarterback and then he just gets to start and Daniel Jones is backup? Or do you move up and kind of redshirt him a year?

I don't know. I think it's a very, very tricky situation. It all gets back to Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones being a disaster and now injured is, you know, a massive curveball to the organization. Now, you could just argue the money spent, whatever, don't even worry about him, treat him like he's not even on the team. I don't think that's easy for us to say on the outside, but is that how the owner's going to treat it? Question Colts fans, who now lives in Colorado, what the heck happened to Carson Wentz?

Why can't this guy get a spot on a roster? Is he a bad locker room guy? He's on the Rams right now. Carson Wentz did, he's on the Rams. I think in the NFL, it's a lot like high school or like an office where rumors, when they start spreading, perception becomes reality. And he had a lot of negativity surrounding him about the way. people inside buildings viewed him. And that means the players and the coaches.

Players, he didn't have many friends on teams. This is the rumors. And he wouldn't listen to coaches. So you get this rep of, well, the team doesn't really like him. And he's not that coachable. It's kind of a nail in your coffin as a player. Now, he had such rock bottom. I heard of a team last year.

I got a story about they did research on a couple of quarterbacks. He was one of them to be their team's backup. and they kind of sent in a mole to kind of talk to him, a football guy to talk to him and get some intel on where his head was at. And it was a lot of like, I'm getting screwed. And listen, we've all had that attitude a time or two in our life. But there gets to a point where you no longer are a starter. The attitude kind of has to be like,

hey, I'll do whatever it takes to help the team. I just want to get my career back, to train back on the tracks, and I'm willing to do anything to help anybody, especially a top 10 quarterback to be his backup. From what I was told, that was not the attitude. And this team went with another guy because of that, because they talked to the other guy and his attitude was exactly that, what you'd like to hear out of a backup.

And I think once you kind of make that transition from starting quarterback to backup, the attitude and the mindset has to change. Not of work ethic and trying at football and being prepared, but of how you approach when you walk in the building. You're not the alpha anymore. You're the beta. And I mean when I say you're the beta, like people aren't looking to you. To be a good guy, to be a good teammate and all that stuff, to help the starting quarterback.

You are essentially assistant coach that wears pads during practice. And I think that's hard for a lot of guys, especially guys that have made some money. It'll be interesting what happens to Derek Carr's career in the next couple years. So I'm a Pat's fan, and there's some decisions to be made. How come we don't hear about McDaniels going back to the OC and sticking with Bill for one more rookie quarterback cycle? Or on the other hand, wouldn't Jim Harbaugh be the best replacement considering his track record with winning everywhere he goes? Obviously, he's a top option for every team, but I just never hear this.

It's hard to see Jim Harbaugh going to the Patriots. It's hard to see the crafts dealing with Jim Harbaugh. They just dealt with Belichick for a long time. I think it's safe to say if Bill Belichick's fired, mutually departed, traded, however it works out, Jim Harbaugh will not be your coach. I think the question is, will Gerard Mayo be the coach? Everyone says he's the coach in waiting.

Is that actually what's going to take place? Or is it just, are they having second thoughts after the season? You know, I don't know. I think when it comes to Josh McDaniels, I can imagine Josh, who was just paid $50, $60 million to go away, it'd be hard to swallow your pride a second time and go back to Bill. He did it once and it resurrected his career. now he's never going to be a head coach again.

So he's going to go back to Bill and just be a coordinator of the rest of his life. I think it's a lot easier if they went to the Chargers or they went to the Bears, the commanders for him to do that. I think it's much more difficult to go back to New England. Just put yourself in his shoes

from a pride standpoint, from an ego standpoint. Regardless how everyone talk shit about you, how everyone's making fun of you, I don't know if I could do it. For the mailbag, I'm finishing up my undergrad. grad at the University of Montana,

the Grizzlies in the National Championship, and have always wanted to work in football, scout coach, in the media even. I think the route you took from scout to media is ideal. I was wondering what advice you would have to give someone looking to get their foot in the door. Well, if you wanted to get in the media, times have never been easier.

Legacy media dies every day. And the, whatever this is, podcasting, online, it's never been easier to do your own stuff. stuff. Now, to do your own stuff, you just have to start doing your own stuff. And when I made the transition from radio to podcast, I already had kind of a built-in audience. And then once I got with Colin, obviously, he opened me up to a distribution channel that is pretty elite. It's a pretty big one, right? So it's like getting into Costco or something if you have a product. And I think

the first thing you need to worry about if you wanted to go that route, start doing a YouTube channel. start doing an Instagram every day, make posts, every single day. Every day, go on YouTube and post five, ten minutes, whatever, whatever you want to talk about. Now, if you want to get into football, you went to Montana. You know, you have an opportunity to get in with the program. So I'll help recruiting. I'll help do whatever. That's how I got my start of Cal Poly and even Fresno State.

Like, it's a lot harder to get your foot in the door at Alabama or Georgia. You're at Montana, which produces a bunch of NFL guys, but it's still a small school. So it's never too late, you know. look at Mike McDonald, Ravens, started working in college. And then ultimately it led him into the program there. So I would, if you want to work in football, just say, hey, what can I help out doing?

I want to work in recruiting. If you want to do media stuff, just start giving takes on Twitter, on YouTube, on Snapchat, on TikTok, on, you know, all these different start a podcast. Now, you're going to have to stomach no one listening for a while. Part of the deal.

I do believe the cream rises. So if you stick with it for 10 years, you make something to happen. Now you might have to get a job, do something else at the time. That's a route you want to take, but you just got to start. The faster you start and the less time you think about it, the faster you'll get to where you want to go. But if you want to work in football, you're at Montana right now. I would go up to Bobby Hoke at the end of the season after they, you know, win or lose the national championship to say, I want to get involved. If you're in the Niners front office, what are three moves you're making for next season?

When talking about Brock Purdy's value to the team in comparison to the Supreme Scheme and roster around them, how come nobody mentions that his play single-handedly saved the jobs of the schemer and roster builder via the Lance fiasco? I just think we live in a world and I'm guilty of this too. We're just on to the next thing. Like, no one talks, Trey Lance is completely irrelevant. He just is. you know, since Tray Lance has been drafted by the 49ers, the Niners have been to two NFC championships,

and they're currently 11 and 4. So that's the great part about the NFL. You just move on. It works at rapid speed. The best part of the NFL is urgency, urgency, urgency, urgency, and we're on to the next thing. Like, the only thing that matters for the 49ers now is the Washington Commander game

at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard time on Sunday. Trey Lance is such a distant memory of just irrelevance, even though it is one of the worst trades of all time. But I hear you. But I also think comparing yourself to a guy that is a third stringer in the NFL is a pretty low bar. And, you know, this is not George Steinbrenner, Al Davis. Jed York loves these guys.

So even if it hadn't been as smooth, now, if they had sucked, yeah, maybe they ended up getting fired. But I think they were on a lot longer leash than people realized. Like, ultimately, Trey Lance to Jed York is just whatever. you know, it's $25 million signing bonus, move on. Let's, who cares? There are just still going to be question marks with Brock Purdy playing the best teams on defense. Can he elevate?

And so far this year, it hasn't gone smoothly. Now, Trey Lance would have no chance. I mean, the Niners would, I don't even think, make the playoffs if Trey Lansler's starting quarterback. I just don't think he can play. But comparing him to Trey Lance is kind of an irrelevant exercise, in my opinion. If you're the Niners front office, what are the three moves you're making? I think you have to figure out Eric Armstead.

He makes a ton of money, and he's like the team captain. They call him the blueprint in the organization. But when you make $15, $16, $17 million and you're old and injured a lot, you know, this is football. This isn't, you know, you got to separate emotions. I mean, the best two coaches of my life, Walsh and Belichick, were just cut through. So how do you balance that? And, you know, will you come back and play for $4 or $5 million?

Because we'll take you. But we can't pay you this. and that leads into Brandon Ayyuk, who is a stud and you got to keep, but he's a 20 plus million dollar player. Can you have Brandon Ayuk and Debo making a combined, you know, $50 million? Now, because of the way the cap works, it doesn't exactly equal that on the salary cap, but Debo's salary cap hit next year's huge.

So I think you need to improve the offensive line. And the defensive line, beside Bosa this year, just hasn't been good enough. It just simply hasn't been good enough. and I think talent-wise are just not as good. The Drake Jackson has been a whiff. I mean, they kind of whiffed on the draft a couple years ago. Ty Davis Price is on the practice squad.

Drake Jackson can't play. And Danny Gray just got passed by Ronnie Bell in the blink of an eye. Other than that, one big picture thing that's looming for the 49ers is Trent Williams is 35, 36 years old. It's like he's not going to play forever. And they're never going to draft high enough to get one of the sweet left out. How do you ever replace them? I mean, the only reason he got Trent Williams

is because he refused to get traded to the Vikings and wanted to play for his dude, Kyle Shanahan. It's the only reason they got him. The Vikings offered a better deal. Trent Williams, like, no, I refuse. I'll just stay retired. I mean, which benefits of Niners, like Kyle's relationship with him. But there was a lot of luck involved with that.

Let's not act like it. He's like, no one was on Trent Williams or the Niners stole him. No, not really the way it happened. Mailback question. For the Pro Bowl. I definitely agree that it's dead and pointless. But I've seen boys ages 13 and 11 that love football that want to watch it and finally silly skill games and flag football entertaining.

They don't have the sophisticated takes or opinions about the NFL yet, so seeing the big stars, players, silly things like they do, PE or at the park with their friends is fun. I agree. No, I mean, I'm telling you, the reason they stopped, there was like this balancing act, the flag football thing. It was getting like six, seven million people. Like yesterday on Christmas, nobody watched any of the NBA games

as many people that watch flag football in the NFL. And there is a benefit. The problem is the players keep getting very hesitant to get injured, right? Taryn ACL, Taryn Achilles. And I think there was just this balancing act. I never disputed the people. People watch. People watch the Pro Bowl.

So I don't know. I don't really have a good answer to how it's all going to work out. But it's just going to go into the skills competition, which I still think is cool for the kids, watch Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Tyree Kill and, you know, do stupid shit. Like your takes and interaction with Colin, informed and relatable. As a Davis grad, I recommend a little work on reading of the ads. Cadence is a little off.

Thanks, Stuart. We got to... Stewart doesn't like the way I read ads. I literally, you just read what they give you. It's not that complicated, buddy. But appreciate the feedback. Listen, you got to take the good or the bad. been watching your show since

Kyler Murray's Call a Duty contract and I've been watching every episode since with how serious football injuries can be do you think it's possible long term and really quick on the ads we're sold out for a reason do it does pretty well here I'd say my ad reading and

again I'm not trying to get defensive here but we've had a lot of success within the advertisements given that that's what pays the bills around these parts so I'd say we're doing something right I would say advertising, dealing with our advertisers is a major, major positive

for this little operation that we call the Three Now podcast with me. Again, I'm always looking to improve. Cadence a little off. I'll work on my cadence for you, Stuart. Do you think it's possible that long term the NFL could be shut down or at least seriously changed somehow? I just don't want to happen, but it just somehow something I've wondered about

with how serious football injuries can be. I think this is the reason that they kick guys out of games. This is the reason they suspend guys without pay is simply because they don't ever want to get sued at the rate in which they got sued before. And they lost, I forget the exact amount, but it was clearly a lot of money. And you had everyone at ESPN,

which was kind of ironic, given that they were in business with the NFL, rooting for the NFL to shut down and end. Like, are you guys fucking morons? Now, Big Jays get up in their emotions, but I do think, it after going through that. And let's face it, I mean, for a long time, the NFL didn't care about anything, right?

Injury-wise, and it bit them in the ass financially. And just like any company that goes through something, well, they overcompensate the other way. Called, we all say it, C-Y, cover your ass. And that's currently what the NFL is doing. They're in massive cover-your-ass mode. So even when a serious injury happens, they go, we have every protocol. Ultimately, it's a violent game. So bad things are going to happen.

unavoidable. No different like boxing or UFC. This is not, you know, we're not playing softball here. This is a game where people get tackled by enormous men running really fast, trying to, you know, inflict pain when they hit you. This is not, this is a violence sport. Always has been, always will be. I don't even think they necessarily try to take the violence out. They just try to take the outcomes of the violence out. And through that, that they have pushed away from these headhunting safeties and linebackers. To me, that protecting the quarterback is much more about the business of football,

which is all surrounding the ratings. And the ratings, you know, pay for everything in the National Football League. I think it's defined balance. And this is, you know, one of the bigger businesses,

you know, it's definitely the biggest sports business in America. And it's, it's become, you know, a powerhouse business in this country. Because it's the number one television show in this country. And they're making billions upon billions of dollars. They're signing $100 billion television

revenue. All these teams are worth $5 to $10 billion. And I just think that they'll do whatever to protect themselves, as you or I would. That's what happens in business. That's what happens when you get money. You do things to protect it. You know, I start owning a couple properties. Me and my girlfriend were talking like, you know, I got to put some of this stuff in a trust. You have to take different mindsets as life changes. And once upon a time, the NFL in the 80s was not some business bohemist as it is now. Relative to the rest of the Fortune 500 companies, right? And I'm not saying value like Google or some of these companies,

but as a whole, as a partnership, which the NFL is, it's 32 entities under one umbrella. One individual team doesn't equal one of these companies, but when you add all 32 of them up, it's just a bohemath. And when you have a bohemist, you don't want to go back to, you know, backwards. You want to go forwards.

And that's the way business looks at everything. You're growing, you're dying. You're getting bigger. And the bigger you get, the more you have to protect yourself. I would imagine a lot of people listening to this, work for bigger companies. What happens to those bigger companies? You get sued a lot. Sometimes justified, sometimes not.

And there's a reason, you know, I was taught a long time ago, the more success you have, the two people you need to keep very, very close that need to be very good at their job or your accountant and your lawyer. And that's advice that I think about a lot. I'm actually kind of looking for a new accountant. Not because mine's bad. I just need to get a guy that I want to have a presence where I can see him. My other guy lives across the country and I just, I need to. That's a story for a different day.

Also, question for the podcast. Clearly the Eagles are in for at least a semi-reset this offseason. Could you foresee a scenario which potentially Siriani is gone in the next year or so? Obviously right now, his record seems indisputable, but we've seen similar things happen with Super Bowl winning coaches. I think Siriani, they're going to, you know,

they're going to be the one, two, or three seed. So they're going to host a playoff game. If they get the one seat back-to-back years, they get a free buy. And, you know, I would say if he doesn't win a playoff game, and let's just assume, let's just pick their two or three seats.

So they play Wild Card Weekend. I think if he were to lose to the rank, Let's say he's the three seat and he plays the Rams and they went into the link and beat him, I think there would be problems. Now, I don't think he would necessarily be fired right away, but I think there would be problems. And I think 100% he'd be on the hot seat next year. I think there would be pushed to make an offensive coordinator change, which is the problem like, Nick, what do you do?

Like, what is your role? And then the other thing would be, I just think I would imagine Matt Patricia is just the defensive coordinator next year. and, you know, Siriani's career would be tied to whoever his offensive coordinator is and Matt Patricia. And that kind of feels what it's at it. Now, he wins a couple of playoff games and he gets beat by the Niners or whatever in the NFC championship game. It'll be fine. Back-to-back years, NFC championship game, Super Bowl.

Like, I'm sorry. Like, that's fucking pretty successful. Now, the Eagles is a high standard place. They're used to win, you know, they're trying to win another Super Bowl. They've been to a couple. They obviously thought this team was Super Bowl worthy. maybe it's just not. And, you know, it's not his fault.

Everything happened with Jonathan Gannon and and Vic Fangio, right? But that did happen. And it clearly cost them a little bit. And now they got, they got a lot of pressure. I think no team has more pressure. Like, to me, the Chiefs, even if they're one and done,

it's like, whatever. They've been in three Super Bowls. They've won a couple. Shit happens. There's going to be a lot of pressure on the bills if they get in. A lot of pressure on the dolphins, a lot of pressure on the Cowboys,

a lot of pressure on the 49ers. Like, not everyone's, not everyone can win these games. Whoever wins, it's going to feel beyond devastating. And fascinating to watch how it all plays out. So, listen, I... Siriani's a fascinating case study. And I think, you know, these next couple weeks,

he should win both games against the Cardinals, and then he plays the Giants again on the road. So, you know, there's a pretty good chance. He's going to win 13 games. It's like, wait, he won 27 games in back-to-back years, and it feels like people are on edge. That's Philly for you. too. I mean, this place when they think they have a team that should be better than they are,

people freak out. And that's, because they do look a little weird. There is no disputing that, right? Like, whether you're an Eagles fan or not, if you just watch them, you go, they don't quite look right, even though they're not bad. And part of it is they just have a ton of talent. They have a ton of offensive firepower. And when the quarterback looks solid, as he did yesterday for a lot of that game, it's just, he's a mother. I mean, he is, he's tough, man, because he can run. He's not super fast, but he's a loose. He's got a good arm when he's accurate and the timing's on. He can make plays outside the pocket. So if they get that guy, they're a very, very scary team to play.

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